Family Vloggers Should Be Stopped (Agree To Disagree)

[@spacepirate9275]

Damien is the kind of friend I'd keep in the cheating question specifically. He wouldn't outright just cut me off but he'd hold me accountable and encourage me to be better. I want my friends to expect things of me and tell me if I fuck up.

[@christopherscotts5797]

Yeah, everybody's saying that Damien was the only one right about straight up cutting off the friendship But his answer was so much nuanced, complex and better than that. And like you said, that's a great friend to have. I feel like friendships should help you become better

[@spacepirate9275]

@@christopherscotts5797 absolutely!

[@renatal.129]

yeah, if i had to talk to a friend who cheated when that's literally the number one thing you shouldn't do on a closed relationship, they would get the verbal ass wooping of a life time (and i would expect them to do the same to me)

[@becauseimafan]

Yes to all of this!!!!!

[@bippitybopitybooty1127]

Yes, how are you supposed to grow otherwise? You surround yourself with people who hold you accountable because they care about you. That's what'll make you into a better person.

[@pomegranatepips2783]

The 'I have no expectations of my friends' discourse was wild to me. So you never expect them to care about you or the people around them? You never expect them to be there for you? You never expect them to like certain things, or want to do things together? I have expectations from my friends because I know who they are and I want them to have expectations of me too (I'll be there for them, I want to spend time together, I value our friendship, etc). That's how friendship works.

[@bloggerbee2598]

no because literally? you've got to have some expectations of the people in your life to try and do the decent thing or you'll start letting them get away with anything and that's how you end up finding out your friends have been particularly cruel. Imagine if the Try Guys had not fired Ned because they 'didn't expect anything from him'.

[@sophiethee]

I was fully sad for keith hearing him say that. He's seen too many people he trusts hurt people and he literally said, you have to lower your standards cause they will always let you down, and then acted like it would make him a bad friend to hold them accountable.

[@ellyhigginbottom]

Damien was so right about cheating. and you CAN and SHOULD expect decency and love and other things from your friends. omg.

[@jaden.gracefully]

Literally. Why would you be friends with someone if you know and expect them to be a bad person.. unless you’re a bad person. You can’t just ignore and defend disgusting behavior because “they’re my friend,” that’s not friendship. It’s just enabling to avoid confrontation.

[@Lostflightwarriorcats]

Yes. If someone is willing to cheat, even if the relationship wasn't that great, and they didn't want to break up, they either didn't care about the person or didn't want to have a hard talk. And even putting the moral aspect aside, if someone is willing to hurt someone else, then what is stopping them from hurting you as well? (Maybe I'm just too cynical)

[@zoemh9021]

it was so weird how they all went “oh well you can’t expect things of your friends” like yes i absolutely can expect my friends to be decent human beings what the fuck????

[@4skin595]

You can never expect someone to be better or hold the same values as you. But you can expect them to be at least a Decent Human being.

[@bnashee]

literally yeah. i wouldnt be friends with someone who has so little like.... basic decency to the point theyd cheat on their partner instead of just leaving them. Thats a trashy thing to do and i dont want to be friends with trash people like that

[@cshjp]

Hearing the opinions from some people in the cast here when it’s about their friends/themselves compared to the Reddit episodes is crazy. They hold those anonymously redditors so much more accountable…

[@noface3641]

Ive commented exactly that. Like what..? Yall hear 1 situation about a stranger and talk about them online in front of millions in the most determined way. They literally said "you shouldn't judge" your friends, but they judge the living hell out of strangers online? How does that work?

[@8bitbarbie163]

i mean yall are doing the same thing@@noface3641

[@raeg1100]

I came back for a quick rewatch but needed a hop in the comments for some sanity 😅 I think the difference is that Reddit is full of strangers, and friends are personal. The closer you are to something the more biased you are right? Especially so for those that do not like conflict.

[@GotitoGaara8]

Glad to see most people don't fuck with the cheating question. It's all "It's none of my business" until it happens to them and they realize everyone around them knew and no one thought them important enough to let them know. The lack of empathy is astounding.

[@izzayy_]

mhm and the argument ‘if i’m friends with both of them then it changes things’ is messed up too bc is it really that hard to have empathy for people you don’t know?

[@notlark650]

​@@izzayy_ I've been in the situation of being friends with both multiple times before, it doesn't change jack shit. The cheater got dropped like a sack of potatoes each and every time cause none of us want to even vaguely associate with someone like that. And the cheaters that cheated on someone we didn't know? Dropped the same way for the same reasons

[@nicolecurry3978]

LITERALLY

[@nicolecurry3978]

@@notlark650itc changes for people with morals.

[@Nocturne22]

That wasn't the question.

[@Rachel-wr3qi]

Splitting the bill: It’s very clear which of them have never struggled with money 🙄 it’s just selfish to expect others to pay for you, when you’re probably intentionally getting something expensive, as Olivia confirmed

[@JoeyLloydPhotography]

Exactly!!!! it sounds like she would purposely order tons of things and then wants to split the check

[@jessicagibson5314]

Exactly and to try and twist it and say splitting the bill means your a good person is absolutely wrong not everyone is in the same financial position as you

[@hecticscone]

the only way i can see that working is if your friend(s) invite you to go out for food knowing that you probably arent gonna pay your own bill. in that situation they know what they're getting themselves into by inviting you

[@savythenillerwaffer]

Yeah! I was so confused ! Like, just pay for what you order? Is that not common sense?

[@bianomokee]

@@savythenillerwafferI agree. I even feel uncomfortable when a friend offers to pay for me. I’m like no, let’s just pay for our own so it keeps it clean and simple lol.

[@BluesJayPrince]

The cheating take really blew me away. Like they really made Damien and Spencer seem like the odd ones out...

[@Spicymantaray]

Yea exactly like I think your totally allowed to judge your friends based on their decisions

[@andrewzakhem6265]

You are the combination of the people you spend time with, it’s not unreasonable to expect things from your friends. It’s not black and white but in most cases someone cheating is a sign of character and for me that is a factor in deciding who I’m friends with.

[@MrWiggnuts]

Yeah. All the women are ok with cheating...shocking

[@N_Phi6]

Speaking as someone who has had a situation like this arise 100% cut that person out. It doesn't matter the circumstances, if they think the best option is to cheat and not just end the relationship. Then there is something wrong in their head.

[@Reineerus_The_Rat]

​@N_ Phi Not always the case. There are situations where you want out but don't want to be the one to say it. There are situations where saying "it's over" will cause more long term, or even short term harm than doing something that makes them leave you. I don't condone cheating, but sometimes it's easier for people to MAKE a reason to leave than to do it because you no longer love. ALWAYS speak with people and have them explain why they did what they did. Thier reasons may shock you.

[@HeyyAdie]

we stan damien and spencer for not enabling a cheater friend

[@inplfw]

I'd care less about a cheater than I would a person who orders the most in a group then suggests we should split a check. I can never look at Olivia and Amanda the same.

[@fawnamae]

@@inplfwI know, I have to keep myself from watching these because of shxt like that 😭

[@jackzoerb2308]

@@inplfwto be fair, amanda seems like she was saying shell pick up part of someone else food rather than expecting someone to pay for hers. Olivia is just a menace.

[@BugGutzzz]

Being friends with someone who cheated definitely isnt enabling them unless youre telling them its okay what they did. Sometimes you need your friends to set you straight and sometimes you need to set your friends straight.

[@BugGutzzz]

@@VivienVarga-ki3sd did you read my comment?

[@JonahSunrise]

The way Damien was like “I hold my friendships to a decent moral standard because I think people should be held accountable for their bad actions even if it’s at the detriment to that friendship” and Keith basically said “nah don’t do that. Lower the standards of your friends' morality because excusing bad behavior is easier than putting a single thought into re-evaluating and straining your friendship in any way” is the ickiest self report.

[@notlark650]

On god. And the way Keith was just casually like "some of my friends cheat 🤷" and laughed it off disgusted me. That's not something you should just be able to say and laugh off, that should be making you reevaluate your relationships with people if you're able to just let shit like that slide (implied) repeatedly

[@JonahSunrise]

@@notlark650 it's pretty easy to tell when that excusing bad behavior says something about your own morals

[@beefbossee807]

@@notlark650especially at 30.

[@reanbright2435]

One thing people don't bring up enough is how Keith didn't even at least say sorry to Kimmy when he was doing his rant on dog instragrams. Like that was being rude to her face but for him it was like "hey I don't know her enough since she hasn't been doing skits much since I got here so I'm gonna continue talking trash about her being one of those dog people" even if you want to continue your dumb rant, the appropriate thing to do is to at least say "sorry" before continuing. Keith definitely seems like he'd be a cheater as well, he enables them because he probably has been one.

[@fawnamae]

@@reanbright2435yeah this video definitely made me feel ways about Keith, Amanda, and Olivia. And maybe Angela too. I wish I never watched it 😢

[@sheeshore]

For how many jokes there are about Damien or Spencer being nerds they genuinely seem the most socially aware

[@hadesisbaby]

i mean..spencer’s take on family vloggers was pretty vapid and i feel like everyone ignored that bcuz of what happened after lmao

[@p_rochelle]

​@@hadesisbabyim pretty sure he was being satire, so don't worry too much !

[@Lumender]

Olivia is the kind of person who won’t talk to you on a plane, but will stare at you between the chairs

[@pamelah1220]

Oh God I can see it in my head.

[@belzi87]

Olivia is a certified gremlin. (speaking as a fellow gremlin)

[@execrisiscoreonearth]

Olivia precious, do not harm this woman for her peculiar opinions, when all opinions are peculiar.... There's honestly no winning in these types of comments. Lol. Can we just appreciate each other, and our collective stinky opinions? Appreciate each other's stinky opinions. I'm getting banned lol, but I'm actually being serious here.

[@KatsuDrawn]

Given the answers she's given in the past, I'm not surprised 😂

[@Rafa_the_Rasta]

The soul plane

[@Firepaw20011]

My respect for Spencer has grown. We stan a short king who doesn't associate with cheaters.

[@pigwindow]

Spencer and Damien were real ones for that. Not at all surprised Olivia and Keith were totally fine with their friends cheating

[@LookADistarction]

? Did something happen?

[@cassiefraser2069]

@@pigwindow I was surprised about Keith, but not at all about Olivia. Honestly the more I learn about her, the more I think she is not a good person.

[@LOLWAAHH]

@@cassiefraser2069 she has my complete sympathy with all the shit she’s had to deal with from everyone else in a ton of past videos, Damien especially included

[@notlame9546]

I'm suprised about it, but this video made me realize I would NOT want to be around Amanda. Looking at her expressions and how she laughs at others, I was getting all around bad vibes from her

[@smooth_transitions09]

keith: you cant be your authentic self when a camera's always in your face camera: *slowly zooms in*

[@HzizsVynryn]

A lot of great subtle editing jokes in here! I liked the long look at Amanda trying to fit her hand in her pocket.

[@galenpalo]

that had me dying. i also just think zooms are funny. props to the camera operators

[@nedak7779]

​@S wait when was this about amanda?

[@joukhr]

@@nedak7779 i think they're talking about 4:42 ish

[@HzizsVynryn]

@@nedak7779 4:00

[@coffeeaddict9605]

I don't know what bothered me more. That so many of them were okay with cheating, or that they all made fun of Damien after asking he explain his opinion.

[@Pigeon2u]

Same lol

[@haileyberol5944]

Seriously. I came to the comment section for this. I've been in a situation where a friend cheated nd I didn't cut them off at first, but they KEPT DOING IT. Sending nudes while I was with them nd everything. She's no longer my friend.

[@WCAL_Dinobull]

I mean.. I wouldn’t really call that making fun of.

[@puggyclock]

They are all friends with him and aren't serious about the jokes. This video is not that serious

[@okbutscully]

I came to the comments to see if anyone was talking about this in particular. Damien and Spencer gained a whole new respect from me tbh, as someone who was cheated on and all our mutual friends either took the cheaters side because they knew each other longer than they knew me, or played both sides because they didn't want to lose a friend, all ended up losing me as their friend anyway because if it had happened to them I would've held their partners accountable (and some cases that had already happened when they had been cheated on before me). Damien pointing out holding friends accountable gained a lot of respect for me because so many people just don't want to hold their friends accountable or get involved, until it happens to them and they want people on their side when they're hurting.

[@NoGNoK]

As the daughter of a father who cheated repeatedly for 8 years while seeing its affect on my mom in real time, yeah if I’m not calling the friend out I’m cutting them out. That’s just what my experiences have led me to. I wouldn’t want to be associated with someone causing that kind of pain. And like another commenter said, there’s a Spanish saying that ultimately translates to “Tell me who you hangout with and I’ll tell you who you are”. That’s not the company I want.

[@Jewlions]

Damien and Spencer were the only ones that passed the vibe check today

[@thespankmyfrank]

Yep. Good bois.

[@anotherdeadgrl]

spencer literally said he would pimp out his children :/

[@gabriellaruth83]

Agree

[@rickyricardo9710]

@doom3798 tbf he seemed like he was mostly kidding on that one

[@Intr0vertical]

Not that deep

[@ronanballantyne6221]

I honestly thought it was disappointing how much they were disagreeing with Damien on the cheating thing. I was 100% with Damien, like I totally WOULD view my friend differently and I’d be honestly kinda worried if I didn’t. The majority of cheating cases is a good judge of character of the cheater.

[@dabsup5522]

Especially Keith surprised me

[@noface3641]

Exactly. Like they kept saying "I dont know the situation" and Im here like?? Whats the situation? They saw a sweet piece of ass and forgot the whole ass feelings of their significant other trusting them completely and blindly? Damn, makes sense. Like, how often does the situation explain cheating in their eyes? I dont understand. Even murder has so many gray areas you can think of (self defnese etc...), but cheating?? Like, would your dick fall off if you didn't put it in a human hole in the next 5 minutes or sum?😅 bruh

[@ronanballantyne6221]

@@dabsup5522 yeah he was uncomfortably cool with it 🤢

[@dabsup5522]

@@ronanballantyne6221 like him saying his friends cheat like it was no big deal threw me tf off

[@ronanballantyne6221]

@@dabsup5522 yeah me too and like, as much as I love him, it’s kinda giving off the vibe that he might be a cheater 😐

[@denicev5740]

hella weird having the group try to twist damien's words when he's expressing HIS opinion about cheating like ew

[@aldendomino3523]

Thanks twitter

[@NameChangesSuck]

Ok.

[@pa5666]

The facial expressions some of them were making/looking at each other while he was talking is very telling. I feel like they talk about him behind his back. The "not inviting Damien" jokes is actually weird to me now.

[@eshiadeserriere8913]

@@pa5666 yeah that makes me sad :/

[@lobstereddie9296]

@@pa5666 The Damien jokes have been running for a while now and I honestly would not be surprised if he left Smosh because of them. Like, there is a big difference between your closest friends joking about you and your colleagues joking about you. It's hard to explain but iykyk

[@Caslaan]

Damien and Spencer - good for you. It’s not ok to cheat. It’s not ok to be friends with serial cheaters. And it’s not ok the skip the line. Period.

[@luc-i-guess]

The question wasn't about serial cheaters, it was about still being friends with someone if they cheat, even once. You fail to see the complexities of relationships and are putting too much of your own personal anger on a hypothetical cheater. All this is is you sticking your nose up in the air and virtue signalling.

[@Senscion]

​@@luc-i-guessThe question was "I would end a friendship with someone if they cheated on their significant other." And the answer should always be yes. If you cannot hold your friends accountable then you are either a doormat or you condone it.

[@luc-i-guess]

Nope, you unfortunately care too much about what people think and not enough about the complexities of people. Sorry you like the world in black and white, but I choose to see the greys and the colours instead.@@Senscion

[@hecticscone]

skipping the line is acceptable if you obviously need to be at the front of the line more than anyone else there. like if you're at the ER/A&E and a limb is hanging on by a thread of muscle. or if you are in line for a toilet and you are 30 seconds away from ruining not just your day but everyone in line's.

[@tiffanymorgan1059]

Or expecting your friends to pay for your wants! Spencer and Damien were the “winners” this vid… and we all lost

[@carolynargo7963]

Amanda's whole "splitting the check equally means I'm a good person" rubbed me the wrong way. That just seemed entitled, rather than the joke (maybe??) she was trying to make it be. It doesn't make you a good person, it just means you're more financially secure than the people you're with. The fact she and Olivia didn't seem to understand what the others were saying also icked me out a bit, it just seemed off. The whole cheating thing as well was off putting, especially with how Keith and Amanda were responding to the others. This episode's a rough one, honestly

[@shelbymachado8712]

I was assuming she was being facetious (RE: the splitting the bill) about it because of just how many times she said it. Since she's also an impressionist, I think she was trying to emphasize that it was a bit? But it was still pretty unclear given the format so maybe it's just a breakdown in communication on delivery and reception?

[@JoeyLloydPhotography]

I cant with Olivia she comes off as smug, and I'm over her

[@lilylou4693]

I suspect Amand to have a bad case of people pleasing. This idea of "I do it because im a good person" for me come out as "I'll do this because I want you to like me" and my experience with people like that is that they do stuff for you, tell you they're OK with it and expect you to pull up with their BS. becomes very resentful when you don't and will for sure remind you how much of a "good people they are and how much they've done for you". Very toxic behavior

[@thedudefromrobloxx]

I feel like you took it WAY too seriously

[@J.Blazer]

It's like the drinking question again. How dare they.

[@erin_degroot]

I agree with Damien on the whole cheating thing..if you truly care about someone, and it's a deep enough friendship to do so, you should hold each other accountable. That doesn't mean you should necessarily end the friendship, but you should have a serious talk about what they did and why. And if it's not a close friendship, I would definitely distance myself. As someone who's been cheated on, I really have no respect for cheaters. If you're in a 'committed' relationship and decide you want to break that trust to be with someone else, breaking up should always be the reaction, not cheating. It hurts less to be broken up with than to be cheated on, imo.

[@Kaeldra3]

This

[@IceArceus_]

I agree with all of this. Well said.

[@suhrealist]

thissss i would definitely distance myself from known cheaters

[@Soutar3DG]

Exactly, cheating on someone is breaking their partner's trust and if they are capable of doing that they're very capable of breaking their friend's trust on various other things, not necessarily once a cheater always a cheater, but it's pretty much the case a lot of the time. Personally if I had a friend that cheated on their partner, I'd very seriously consider wanting to be friends with them.

[@Quirkyalonester]

Especially if it's repeated. I can understand going through a rough time and something happens once. But if you're not going to commit to someone, why pretend? And not everyone has to be in a committed thing, but the whole point of saying I'm committing to this person and choosing not to be with others, even if I'm tempted. And as someone else said, if you decide not to be with someone anymore, then break up with them. It just feels like you not givening this person you claim to care for respect when you aren't upfront with them.

[@svskdhisdhajbz3944]

The cheating segment was a bit disappointing tbh. I’m with Damien on that. Your character is determined by the people you choose to hang around with.

[@talim4122]

I would absolutely stop being friends with someone that cheats/cheated. I met a woman who got uterine cancer (caused by human papillomavirus) because her husband cheated on her, I can't be friends with people that don't think about the consequences of their actions, even in cases that aren't that extreme, for me trustworthiness is very important.

[@rickyricardo9710]

It's sad that we need to throw in physical illness as a consequence to convince people not to cheat as if the emotional hurt isn't enough. People don't take emotional trauma seriously but being cheated on will fuck up how you view relationships and therefore your ability to be loved for a long time if not the rest of your life.

[@littlemisslopez4002]

Amanda and Olivia need to realize that having money doesn’t make you a “good loving” person. This made me really sad because I personally barely have the money to get by and on the rare occasion I get to go out to eat with friends, I cant afford to pay for your endless drinks and appetizers and I don’t want to be judged for that. Very selfish and ignorant of them.

[@pa5666]

They just came off as rude and privileged. You should never feel bad that you can't afford something. To tell you the truth, most people aren't as well off as they say they are. It's pretty normal these days for people to live off credit and beyond their means. Hope you have a good day ❤

[@urmom6670]

Wait so i honestly have trouble reading shit for no reason LMAO why it just doesnt get into my head so im sorry if you already said this and im just dumb, but for me, If i had money, and me and my friends decided to eat somewhere, and they somehow cant afford their meal, i would gladly pay for at least half of theirs or even all of it i would, i just wouldnt mind at all

[@Alucard-mj6yj]

Olivia is beyond saving but maybe not Amanda

[@actress-dancer]

Unless it is a 20pc McNuggets box or sg we are sharing equally, everyone has to pay for their own food. If someone invites you, or you invite them, that is a different situation.

[@evepsych]

@@urmom6670the prompt is about splitting a check. when you go out with friends, it’s usually common to split the check. the best and most polite way to split a check is to pay for what you ordered. however, dividing the entire bill is not the best. for example if i only ordered some boneless wings and a soda and my friends ordered a tomahawk steak, i should only be paying for my wings and drink since that is what i ate. some people like to divide the bill and make others pay for their expensive plate which isn’t right. covering for someone’s bill is different though. in this case, if you ordered a very expensive plate you should pay for that, not your friends. especially if your broke that week and someone tries to make me pay a divided check that includes everyone’s meals that’s unfair. if i only have $20 for my meal i’m going to order something under that because i should only be paying for MY meal

[@lotrdude13]

I love Damien, he HAS solidified himself as my favorite cast member after that cheating question, because like what? It's a no brainer.

[@Ditzybaby]

He’s always been my favorite from the Reddit episodes, I’m so happy to see he’s sincere in his views and stances 👌🏻 he’s a rare one in the best way

[@torchwoodboy5564]

Man I really felt for Damien in the cheating question. So many people I like having such a bad take, and then ganging up on the one person who actually spoke from a morally good point of view. Hope cast see these comments and learn…

[@pa5666]

I totally agree with you. The worst part is that they're gonna call it "virtue signaling" again. Like no, he's just a good person. Don't get mad because you lack moral values and compassion.

[@joselynhernandez4817]

Same here. I got that vibe from the cast. Over the last couple of years I've watched Smosh, Damien has been consistent with his intergrity over the years.

[@TheMaestro1275]

For me, It's less about the opinion and more about the fact that they had nearly NO respect for his OWN opinion. Keith especially had a LOT of attitude while Damien was talking. At least Olivia had the decency of asking him what he thought, and Amanda seemed like she was listening.

[@syra1541]

​@@pa5666frr?? I was surprised they weren't all on the same page there

[@actress-dancer]

I feel like they got defensive (emotianol) knowing they can't fight for their own takes, and it came down as a wave, that crashed on Damien. Even though he wasn't extreme, simply logical.

[@jbnnz325]

The cheating segment is so disappointing. It came to a point where it’s not just about their view of cheating anymore, but also about their values. And that I applaud Damien and Spencer.

[@Krishpy142]

One million percent agree with Damien, you need to hold you friends to some sort of expectations. It really makes you have meaningful people in your life if you do.

[@KimsWeirdChannel]

Yeah. It was honestly weird to me when Keith brought up expectations being harmful. I understood what he was saying in a sense, but at the same time, setting boundaries in a relationship/friendship such as “If you cheat, I may look at you differently” isn’t a harmful thing. That’s a very fair expectation to have. 🤷‍♀️

[@james_g_walt]

And true love is accepting/welcoming who they are, but also helping them become better and who they want to be.

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

@@KimsWeirdChannel what you don't understand is that Keith was being fully reasonable. The percentage of the human population that would NEVER cheat, lie, abuse power, manipulate people, be greedy and selfish, or some other awful behavior is absolutely miniscule. Right now, you are friends with lots of people who, in the right circumstances, would do awful things. YOU are one of those people. There are a lot of inexperienced young people who have no clue how morally impure they are yet. You'll find out.

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

@@james_g_walt this is an actual reasonable take. We don't abandon people because they display human weakness. We try to lift them up and help them be the person they wish they could be. This comment section is full of people basically saying that if someone cheats, they should be exiled from society. Just make prison sentences for cheating at that point. Prison doesn't work to reduce crime, and ostracizing "Bad People" and anyone who dares to not cut them out of their life doesn't work either.

[@sangan3202]

​@@Jeremy-hx7zj sounds an awful lot like a bunch of excuses a cheater says when they get caught...

[@akio2950]

Just funny how other cast members sometimes make fun of damien and spencer of being so called 'weebs' but they are actually the ones who showed integrity the most in this episode. 😅

[@basedmarlon]

@Daan892most nerds are usually have really good manners. Yeah they’re socially inept sometimes but they can be very nice and stand up people.

[@m00nrac00n]

The experience I made aswell in life. The best friends and great partners. A lot of nerdy guys are sensitive and emotionaly intelligent from dealing with their own insecurities. Those people had to do some REFLECTION in their life...and I think a good person needs to have this moment in their life to pass that vibe check.

[@hotsexyangel]

yuuuup

[@allisoncastle]

Except when Spencer said he’d pimp his kids out on KZbin because “well a checks a check”

[@ultrabigfella]

​@@allisoncastleI don't think he was serious bro💀

[@yaskweenly]

To KEITH, OLIVIA, ANGELA, and AMANDA, regarding the cheating part, there's a saying "Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are." So, yeah. Your answers really exposed y'all.

[@jessicagibson5314]

I firmly believe in that saying

[@Lethargic_Leah]

Why did only Damien and Spencer pass the vibe check, Damien still keeps impressing me on how he genuinely seems like a nice guy and they don’t seem to care or want to be his friend. Just a observation of videos we see

[@chaymartine1289]

like Olivia I never really fw her she always gave me mean girl energy especially when it came to Damian and the fact the he's never been to her house makes me think it's because she doesn't like him

[@angstyalienartist7028]

Ik they all jokingly mock eachother but sometimes it seems like they're just bullying Damien. Also a bit telling that it always seems to be Olivia and Keith that participate the hardest with mocking Damien. Idk maybe I'm reading too much into it

[@bloodybaby]

heavily agree with everyone in this thread! i have an idea why they do that but i’m unsure if i want to say it💀

[@crystaltheweirdpotato]

​@@bloodybaby you should

[@ultrapersonthing]

The thing about being friends with a cheater is that if they're willing to betray the person closest to them for momentary pleasure, what are they willing to do to you, their friend?

[@Yelhsa0703]

Resident therapist smosh fan, infidelity is much, much more nuanced and doesn’t work like that. It’s attachment based, not a personality trait or even a behaviour tendency. Maybe that can provide some relief to anyone who’s worried 😊

[@Intr0vertical]

@@PeetaL what you do in romantic relationships doesn't mean much for friendships

[@MikeMan1060]

​@@PeetaL some real douche energy here

[@Intr0vertical]

@PL not really romantic advice. It's friendship advice. Nice to know you need relationship advice tho

[@chestersnap]

​@PL starting every response you make with an insult is a pretty dishonest way to engage in discussion about things. I don't think calling your opinions "immature" would be correct because I know plenty of people who stubbornly refuse to acknowledge no matter their age that there's some nuance in most decisions people make. I feel bad that your relationships (platonic and otherwise) will be less satisfying considering how conditional your ability to care for someone is, though. It sounds like you don't have real friends.

[@jayindica7921]

Odd that Keith said hed tell his friends they he thinks their cheating is wrong but when Damien said he expresses his concern to his friends they acted like it was “too much” he basically said the same thing.

[@chaymartine1289]

that's bc Keith said that bc it sounds good you coukd tell by his lack of emotion behind what he was saying it was very half assed where as Damian he went into detail and elaborated and everything

[@mylifeisrosy5729]

"you shouldnt expect anything from your friends" why are you friends with them then? expecting them to be good people is the very bare minimum i think

[@TohuBohuC]

Nah the cheater justification was vile, lost a shitload of respect for Amanda, Olivia, Keith, and Angela

[@gabrielleacejas2021]

they didn't even make valid points tbh it was all just excuses

[@Sophia-nd8jk]

SAMEEE i feel so weird about it because i rly enjoyed them all as smosh members but those responses just gave me the ICK

[@luc-i-guess]

You fail to see the complexities of relationships and are putting too much of your own personal anger on a hypothetical cheater. All this is is you sticking your nose up in the air and virtue signalling. People aren't saints, and to question people's integrity on this forced black and white question is in bad faith (when in reality all relationships exist in a grey area because we're humans and not robots).

[@ErosDiabolico]

@@luc-i-guess Ok but both you and the people in the video failed to reason beyond vague arguments. What would be a good reason for a person to cheat and for you to remain friends with them?

[@angstyalienartist7028]

Especially Keith and Olivia they didn't just disagree they argued and mocked Damien for his explanation

[@yt_stizzl3646]

The cheating one had me baffled honestly, expected a lot more from the cast here ngl. Damien and Spencer, good for you, always hold your friends accountable. Someone who cheats is not a good person, I wouldn't want someone not trust worthy in my friendgroup. But also splitting the bill, "I'm a caring and loving person that wants to take care of you" so you split the bill when you got 40€ worth of food and your friend got a water? You never know someone's financial situation so you should never expect them to pay for half your bill, especially if you ordered a lot more than them. Definitely learned a lot about some cast members today and futher confirmed why Damien is my favorite

[@froggie_toast0515]

fr... some of the people in this vid were insufferable to watch. it was insane seeing them defend their points when they were clearly so inconsiderate/sickening

[@noface3641]

The splitting the bill was insane to me... like, I've had friends who wouldn't come to restaurants because they had no money to spend, imagine telling them they should pay for my meal and 5 drinks to be "good friends and take care of me"??? Wild. Apparently you cant be a good friend if you're broke. I also have been calculated with my money before, and only had a small drink to avoid paying more than I'd like in an outing. Why would i end up spending money I was avoiding eating myself to keep for later, on YOUR expensive meal?? You have money? Good for you. You want to take care of your friends? Offer to pay when mine is more expensive, but how are you a good friend if you DEMAND I pay when yours is? Backwards logic

[@aWywardWyvern]

Right??? I’ve never even had a person suggest splitting it 50/50 if one person isn’t treating you pay for your own meal. That whole thing was wild to me.

[@BichaeldeAngelo]

The LA bubble is a very real thing

[@bumblethis3682]

Yeah, the splitting the bill irks me. My Uncle brought his family to a big dinner and he said that he was strapped for income so we decided to split the bill between my Dad's family and my Uncle's family. So naturally my Uncle and his family thought that was awesome and all ordered the most expensive stuff on the menu and multiple drinks for themselves. My Dad essentially had to pay for half of my Uncle's family for the dinner just because he took advantage of the situation.

[@gingersnap5459]

One thing I've noticed about Damien is that as strongly as he feels about something, he always keeps his cool. It shows a lot of maturity and self-reflection to always have a well-thought, articulated, emotionally intelligent stance, and yet when met with opposing opinions, have the ability to back down while maintaining said stance. You can tell that he works hard to be a good person and I really admire that.

[@PMD026]

I agree with Damien, true friendship is holding each other accountable. It may be uncomfortable but it's what will separate the real ones from the fake ones. Some people might have different views on what friendship is. At least for me I surround myself with people who can call me out and also receive being called out well, that's why my circle of friends is small and i'd like to keep it that way... Big respect to D-man and Spencer!

[@christopherscotts5797]

Yeah, a good friendship should help both people involved become better people

[@DanDanDoe]

Yeah, I stopped hanging out with people because their values are basically incompatible with mine. I know I can’t sway their opinions, but I can’t allow myself to act like that’s okay. I feel like cheating is a big one, especially because I’ll just lose respect for you if you do.

[@reaglton]

Yeeeeaaahhh I'm bummed that everyone was like rolling their eyes at Damien talking about having a moral standard for his friends. I don't think you should expect perfection out of people, and I'm a huge believer that you do your best to love people where they are, but if your morals generally don't align, why are you friends? Also, the dig about compassion was unnecessary. Like do you have compassion for the person they cheated on?

[@awakemonnie]

The whole cheating thing made me realize how bad parasocial relationships can be cause I'm here all sad about these people not being who I thought they were even though I don't even know them (we stan spencer and damien tho)

[@pa5666]

So true girl

[@fyfie__357]

An ARMY with a shared opinion

[@gilly_axolotl]

Yesss. If you distance yourself emotionally from content creators and watch that solely because they entertain you it helps a lot. Of course it doesn't have to be black and white, but even a little bit of practice distancing yourself from identifying too strongly with anyone will help

[@moonsqualker_savagely4563]

@@gilly_axolotl But what if i have a parasocial crush on Damien?😳

[@itsNinaLeeyo]

Oh... you mean you hold them to a higher standard?? 😂 I agree. It hurt me so much and then I learned.

[@daanachmad4032]

Nerds often have a reputation for being socially inept. And yet, Damien and Spencer - Smosh’s nerdiest on-screen personalities - are the only ones who are tactful here. The jokes about Damien being virtue signallers in his funeral roast now leave a bad taste in my mouth.

[@hecticscone]

tbf he does _kinda_ virtue signal when it comes to social media. but it seems that in person and on set he's so much more real than that.

[@daanachmad4032]

@@hecticscone On Social media? Twitter?

[@hecticscone]

@@daanachmad4032 yeah twitter. i also meant more so around the time the roast was made, maybe not so much nowadays

[@cassiethegreat_]

as someone who’s physical health has changed permanently because of being cheated on, (this happens to millions of people) I appreciate how in depth Damien went into explaining his answer for that one! and i’d like to say that it was very disheartening to see the others reaction to him explaining so.

[@cassiethegreat_]

the laughing over him talking, the shaking heads, the immediate shutting down of some things he said. it was very uncomfortable to watch.

[@sarahwick6514]

Completely agree, I wonder if there’s going to be any kind of a response seeing how there’s a lot of comments saying this

[@cassiethegreat_]

@@sarahwick6514 I honestly really hope so :/

[@thespankmyfrank]

​@@sarahwick6514 idk, they might just edit it out and never mention it again like they did in another video where Olivia says she parks in the disability parking spot. Just wiped away, everything's fine. :)))

[@SeychelleSunshine]

​@@thespankmyfrank I didn't know that...yikes.

[@andreponniah9900]

Did anyone else find it odd that during the split bill one, Olivia & Amanda kept insisting they were good people, but then none of their hypotheticals involved the other person ordering the more expensive food? Like even in their heads they can't fathom being the one that makes the sacrifice.

[@jellynellye]

They confused me when they said they were kinder for making others pay more for their food.

[@ssarah867]

probably was part of their bit

[@BluesJayPrince]

I’m all for not letting money bring you stress. But just ignoring others desire to save money because “it’s not a big deal” is insulting.

[@rhettmitchell]

@@jellynellyeI don’t think that’s what was meant

[@stevenpuckitt212]

That was part of the joke.

[@nateh9246]

Nah I'm 100% with Spencer and Damien on the cheating topic. Definitely seeing the rest of the group in a new and less flattering light.

[@sqa3303]

My respect for damian and spencer went📈📈📈. Cheating is pretty telling of a persons character and how they treat people in their lives, not a fun quirk, reactions to damian were wierd af. trying to make him the odd one out when he spoke the truth. you can hold your friends acoutable and still care about them, stop tryna normalize cheating

[@Sorta_Tired_]

The vibes here today are a bit funky ngl. I have major respect for Damien's integrity.

[@notlame9546]

Yeah this was really weird. Everyone's facial expressions while Damien was talking--it felt like subtle ganging up/bulling

[@thespankmyfrank]

​@@notlame9546 Yeah, felt like the "popular kids" ganging up on the "weird kid" at school. Gave me bad vibes.

[@shfikah]

I really wish we could highlight comments in yt, my first thought when i see those facial expressions, total big bully vibe.

[@christopherscotts5797]

Fuck Spencer I guess

[@mikearen]

​@@thespankmyfrank smosh feels so clique-y that I 100% agree with this

[@nonbinaryDes]

Damien was S-tier this episode. Amanda and Keith, F Tier. "Don't expect anything from your friends." wtf?? i expect a lot of things from my FRIENDS, as they do me. THATS THE POINT OF FRIENDSHIP!!! We have each other's back and come to each other when things are tough, or we want to have fun. I also expect them not to be rude to me, or like murder someone... OR CHEAT ON PEOPLE.

[@pa5666]

Yup, I completely agree with this take.

[@la4251]

Yes, exactly, I expect them to be good people...and if they are not, it's just hard for me to trust them and respect them.

[@1234fakerstreet]

I always live by that motto "you're judged by the people you surround yourself with." I have built a great community around me and frankly, we expect all of us to kind of live honestly. Cheating ain't it and shouldn't be normalized. Kinda surprised here but Damien keeping 100 is refreshing.

[@grahamreece519]

"I expect all my friends to foot exactly half of the bill even if they didn't order half of the food" "Don't expect things from your friends" Wut?

[@BluesJayPrince]

Somebody hurt Keith for him to say shit like that.

[@SimmitriSpeaks]

I don't understand why people act like it's so controversial to judge people for their actions. That's literally the thing you should judge people for. If you don't think cheating is bad enough to end a specific friendship over that's fine, but its so weird to act like you should just ignore peoples' behavior unless it impacts you directly.

[@laurahiggins3478]

That’s what I’m saying! Sometimes wrong is wrong. Holding people accountable is not a bad thing. We expect people, especially our friends, to be good and kind. Enabling cheating by allowing it to continue just encourages bad behavior

[@aldendomino3523]

Not everything is your business. You're not a reporter. Also if you're the type to do things beyond what directly affects them, work in a soup kitchen and save trans kids from republicans

[@en9719]

What i think about this is that yes people had to be held accountable but ending your friendship is abandonment which feels like you just don't wanna get caught in it and if you're that kind of friend then you might not be the best ones. If i have a friend who has cheated on their partner i will judge them and i will keep on reminding them of it but i will not just go like "hey you cheated you're bad influence i don't wanna be friends anymore". I get the part where it's problematic to say "i don't wanna judge you because it has nothing to do with me" and you should call out wrong doings but just ending a friendship and leaving a person behind knowing that they are on the wrong path of life is almost irresponsible which in this case, "unaccountable".

[@Intr0vertical]

Not everything is our business or our problem. This is the type of mentality that breeds " cancelling " online. Unless it's illegal mind your business

[@SimmitriSpeaks]

@@Intr0vertical your replies all over this comments section make you look incredibly defensive. Since my choice to judge people for their actions isn't illegal makes you seem pretty hypocritical for telling me not to do it since I can apparently do what I want.

[@lexiemmm]

I'm glad Damien's got Shayne.

[@zwenz365]

My exact words

[@D4N4Y4]

honestly

[@angstyalienartist7028]

Yeah, not a fan of how some cast and crew treat Damien glad to know he's got Shayne

[@J.Blazer]

I'm glad Shayne's got Damien.

[@irikyu]

Imagine the group on the disagree side about cheating saying those things to a cheating victim. Yikes

[@TohuBohuC]

They did, 100ks of them

[@Freya_Blue]

​@@TohuBohuCAnd, for all we know, someone in that room has been cheated on.

[@redwing6174]

We know Shayne has

[@st444rb0y]

@@Freya_Bluep sure damien has

[@glumbelle]

I can’t be the only one who found the cheating segment to be legitimately concerning? I agreed with Damien wholeheartedly.

[@DemonFireRain]

Y'all at Smosh, Keith especially, need better friends. The cheating thing is wild. I can't believe so many disagreed with it. The ONLY way I'd still be friends with someone after that is if they were genuinely remorseful and took steps to change and make things right somehow. But shit, they couldn't even be trusted in their romantic relationship, how could I trust them to be a good friend? I kinda don't care what's going on in their life, if someone's answer to their problems is to cheat then that's typically not someone I want to be friends with.

[@lobstereddie9296]

I agree with this. While I don't believe that being a cheater means that you're gonna be a bad friend, I do think that you should leave room for that person to be accountable and show that they can be a better person. I think that personally., I would take a step back from that person until they could show through their actions that they have changed for the better. I don't think that question is cut and dry and that it's very situational, however, I also don't blame the people that say that they would cut the cheater out from their life completely.

[@sofianunez547]

100% if you can’t be faithful to the person you have committed and agreed to be in a relationship with. I can not trust you to be a good friend. Imo your partner should come before anyone else. cheaters are not the type of people i wish to be around. Says a lot about someone if they cheat. If you can betray your partner, how would you treat me?

[@noone-gf5op]

I mean... I assume they are friends with one another mostly, so😕

[@littlejowo]

For real. I think the ONLY reasonable excuse (and that's with a very big "maybe, it's complicated) attached, is if the person being cheated on is an abuser who won't LET THEM leave the relationship. But that circumstance is VERY specific, and even then, most people would likely be too scared to even try cheating in the first place, then. Otherwise? Cheating is childish, harmful (emotionally AND potentially regarding physical health, disease, and pregnancy as well), shows lack of character, and shows how little they care for others. If they make the effort to change, feel true remorse, and make things right with the other party/parties if that's what the victims want? Okay, sure, stick around and help them through it, maybe keep an eye on their behavior from then on. Otherwise? Drop 'em

[@Kaeldra3]

I think the “you shouldn’t have expectations for your friends” comment is just plain wrong. I have quite a few expectations. I expect for them to be kind to customer service workers, I expect them to not drive under the influence, I expect them to not cheat on their significant other, I expect them to treat my other friends with a level of humanity when interacting, I expect them to treat children with a level of respect even if they don’t particularly like kids, I expect them not to mistreat their pets, I expect for them to not murder people… like some expectations are normal… ?

[@notlark650]

one might even call these expectations the bare minimum of human behavior

[@Lostflightwarriorcats]

Yes.

[@deltaloraine]

Right? How is it considered a high standard to want you friends to be morally decent? Does California really have SO few genuine people that it's just impossible to find a good friend?

[@carolinebbuss]

I love hearing Damien's opinions on things. I truly admire his integrity and his morals. Some of them in the video seemed bothered by what he was saying, but that says more about them than it does Damien. He seems like such a great friend to have. Mad respect for people that hold me accountable for my shitty behaviour. That's a true friend.

[@cass_m2004]

I rarely comment on videos but the cheating opinion was very off putting on the fact that Damien was pushed off to the side immediately by the other cast members. I think you should expect things from your friends and holding them accountable is important. Huge respect for Spencer and Damien.

[@Kaeldra3]

I’m kinda shocked how many people were ok with being friends with a cheater… that surprised me most this episode…

[@shelblzz9584]

right

[@sxchneiler806]

Agree. I have my principles, I just cannot torelate cheating. No matter what the situation is, even if it's because of revenge or anything. Cheating is bad, it is a sign of immaturity. You don't want to be in a relationship anymore? Then talk to your significant other, not find yourself comfortable in the feelings of another person. Different cultures, different mindsets I guess.

[@Krazykitty001]

Right!? And "I'm friends with compassionate people". If that what you call a cheater then I don't know what that word means anymore

[@kalvaxus]

Same. I wonder what Keith and Amanda consider 'friends'?

[@retsukoi]

totally agree !!! i simply can’t be friends with a cheater because it probably means we have misaligning principles :[ and i don’t need that in my life lmao + also i refuse to be an enabler by tolerating their cheating ass 🫡

[@illanohimitsu]

I rarely comment on smosh videos, but this one was so off to me that I had to at least say something. This video cemented my respect for Damien, and very telling for the others

[@jaiotamias1463]

same lol

[@ZootedBeaver]

And Spencer!

[@ronanballantyne6221]

Also the response to Damien saying he would stop being friends with someone if they were a cheater was INSANE. The rest of the cast ( minus Spencer ) immediately shutting him down and laughing and being so snide to him about it like YIKES. Like the fact he was right and THEY were acting like that to him??? I’m not so sure I’d want to be friends with any of them apart from Damien and Spencer now lmao.

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

You're friends with quite a few people who've been unfaithful in relationships, I promise you. Infidelity is so incredibly common that you basically have to be a misanthrope to think that someone is a Bad Person if they cheat on a partner. And I say this as someone who has been cheated on.

[@BluesJayPrince]

@@Jeremy-hx7zj dude, quit going in every anti cheating comment putting your lame essay for why cheating is acceptable. Your argument is literally “everyone’s doing it so it’s okay”. Sounds like you need to talk to someone and be a little introspective about that sad view of others.

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

@@BluesJayPrince that is not my argument at all. My argument is that everyone is capable of being shitty and excising people from your life because they demonstrate moral weakness isnt helping anyone. See if you can manage to engage with my pov without distorting and straw manning it

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

@@BluesJayPrince so if you were friends with someone for 20 years, and then you found out they cheated on a girl they dated for 5 months in college, you would just cut them out of your life?

[@BluesJayPrince]

@@Jeremy-hx7zj if someone said they cheated back in college and still felt like cheating was the right thing to do, then yes they are not a part of my life. if they believe what they did was wrong and are a different person then that i can forgive. everyone but you is interpreting the prompt to be that your friend IS CHEATING or was currently caught cheating. pretty much everyone but you is on the Damien/Spencer train where a conversation needs to be had to determine if the cheating is a sign of immoral values.

[@Jimultime]

Think Damien and Spencer are the only ones that know the difference between friends and good acquaintances. "You don't have to be friends with everyone" is 🔥.

[@paulinag.2412]

Damn they really need Shayne to present any kind of integrity as a group. Damian is not a leader so if he is on his own they just bully him. Cudos for Spencer to not be that quick to join.

[@WillOfDavy]

Going back and watching through a bunch of videos to be "caught up" and yeah it was so bad to see him get ganged up on. Didn't seem even close to joking, just defensive

[@angstyalienartist7028]

Yeah they never seem to pick on Damien this bad when Shayne or Ian is in a video but without them they seem to think it's fine to just mock him, happens in too many videos 💀

[@imaginaryenemy2565]

I've noticed this they joke about how shayne and damien are the same guy and they make the same jokes etc literally called damien shayne number 2 but when shayne says something their all like wow so smart and insightful when damien says it everybody rolls their eyes says says he's virtue signaling

[@sarahwick6514]

The cheating portion made me really uncomfortable to hear the justifications

[@lawrencefosterjenkins8216]

The fact that the majority of top comments (myself included) agree more with Damien on the friend cheating thing than the literal rest of the cast is telling but not surprising. Yikes guys!

[@christopherscotts5797]

And then there's Spencer, being also pretty good but completely ignored

[@noface3641]

LA man... its like a zoo. How can they talk about cheating as if its just whatever? Some of them almost defended it?? Im here questioning their morals just for their answer, and they wont quesrion the morals of their cheating friends?.. kinda odd

[@atmo03]

It seems that the other side who gets cheated on is not considered in these discussions. I was in a ten tear relationship, found out that my partner cheated on me with his coworker. That devastated me. I got depressed, started taking antidepressants, had to search help from a therapist. The breakup happened about a year ago, and I’m still in recovery. This case screwed with my mental state. My ex confessed it to his best friend and I’m dissapointed in his friend that he didn’t do anything. Please, let’s not normalize cheating because the stress of the victim takes so much out of them.

[@thespankmyfrank]

I'm sorry you had to go through that and still are. This is exactly why I'd never be friends with a cheater. It's just not okay on any level and affects so many people, most of all the partner. I don't understand how they argued "it's not okay if I'm friends with both parties" but somehow if they don't know the partner it's fine? It's just ridiculous.

[@i9incher]

I've been there too. She cheated on me with one of MY coworkers and everyone at the job knew but me. It was the most humiliating moment of my life and the biggest betrayal I've ever felt. I spent years getting to know these people, and building up trust and a reputation in their eyes. And she destroyed all of that and made me look like a fool. She was also my longest relationship at that point in my life. It was so painful I couldn't go into work and they ended up firing me. It was 5 years ago and I'm better now but I still get emotional when things remind me of her and of that place.

[@Alex-lw2be]

@@i9incher I hope you and OP are in a better place now. Stories like this are exactly why friends need to a. Seriously hold each other accountable and b. Leave if things get toxic and the person refuses to improve. It’s a shame that so many people have that mindset of “they didn’t do it to me so whatever.”

[@yagurl4863]

I did not vibe with the way they treated Damien and Spencer today. Both were being respectful, open minded and empathetic about their opinions and in return were either being joked about (especially Damien who looked like he trying to have a serious conversation) or simply put down and mocked. Seemed like they weren’t taken seriously or shown respect when trying to share their idea. This has been brought up in a few comments but I feel like this really need to be herd. The way y’all conversed today was really disappointing and didn’t feel like a safe space to share opinions. Sorry but honestly really hurt on how inappropriate and immature these topics were handled. (Edit) spell check

[@Lostflightwarriorcats]

I know. I don't think I would've been able to keep my cool in that situation at all. Mad props to both Damien and Spencer.

[@yummystew2]

There's some truth to what Keith said about not expecting stuff out of people, but ONLY when it's mundane stuff like meeting friends on time or paying a debt. You should, however, ALWAYS expect the most basic of all basic moral ethics from an individual, especially from your friends. Like Damien, Spencer, and to an extent, Keith said, distance yourself or hold them accountable. You can't let something as bad as cheating just slide.

[@Wonderland2097]

The cheating one is wild as I agree with Damien on that it’s very circumstantial, if you expect that behaviour in your friend than sure it’d likely not change a thing but if you don’t than you realise they’re not the person you thought they were which of course would effect the friendship.

[@traiton6653]

My thing is that if they are willing to betray their SO, what would they be willing to do to you?

[@caitlin19070]

This video was actually so disappointing. The fact that Damien and Spencer were looked down at for having integrity is disgusting. You should not be expected to evenly split the bill, pay for what you got and I have no idea how anyone could vibe with one of their friends cheating. Also, why was everyone giving off so much negative energy towards Damien? Like the whole video felt like the rest of the cast was pissed at him. It's honestly shocking to see this type of snake behaviour from people I grew up watching. Keep that integrity Damien and Spencer, dont let them bring you down to their level.

[@jellynellye]

My exact thoughts! Felt extremely let down by the rest of the cast

[@christopherscotts5797]

I don't really see the negative energy towards Damien in this video. Im sorry but I feel like some of you are really quick to victimize someone you don't really know off-camera. And I don't know, the cheating thing it's a big topic of discussion in these comments, but I feel like in the end almost all were agreeing on the general view that it is complicated. The girls were just joking around, cause after all this a comedy video. As for Keith... Idk I feel like we've always known he is a shitty person

[@nataliatc1]

I kind of see what you said, specially from Keith and Amanda

[@joselynhernandez4817]

I agree. I really like the cast. But this video seemed like a clique was formed and the differing opinions were not taken seriously. The whole cheating segment was eye-opening.

[@caitlin19070]

@Christopher Scotts I was not really one hundred percent sure about the negative energy towards Damien when I wrote my first comment. It was more of a gut feeling, honestly. I have ASD and I struggle quite badly with social situations because of it. Thank you for politely sharing and explaining your opinion, I appreciate you not just slamming me with 'you're wrong!'. I hope you have a good rest of the day/afternoon/night!

[@AdamT69]

Keith is always so strong on his convictions while being wrong constantly.

[@pamelah1220]

I feel bad for laughing, but it's so funny to me.

[@Caslaan]

And condescending. He can dish it non stop all day to anyone. As soon as you throw it back at him he shuts up and cant take it. Really dislike him for this tbh. One of my least favorite cast members.

[@pamelah1220]

@@Caslaan Did you see the one where he called Arasha arrogant for being confident and then proceeded to brag unironically later in the episode? I want to chalk it up to youth but I dunno.

[@JodySwifter92]

I've been saying for years Keith is the worst of the cast, adds absolutely nothing that can't be replaced

[@Idunno-yppl]

@@pamelah1220 Which episode is it?? I really want to know ty

[@jayharrison1785]

Damien - getting deep Spencer - respectfully listening Keith, Amanda, Angela, Olivia - LMAO SHUT UP NERD

[@bbdumplin9146]

No fr this hurt to watch for me a little. I appreciated his input a ton and they seemed to just laugh it off because they didn't wanna get called out. I love the cast, I think they are all very funny and talented people, but I learned a lot about them today that does make me think about their personality outside of work just as a person in the world a bit more..

[@pa5666]

@@bbdumplin9146 Yup. As much as I love watching them, we need to constantly remind ourselves that they more than likely are playing characters and we probably wouldn't like the real people. After all, they are entertainers and their job as entertainers is literally to pretend and lie to viewers.

[@noface3641]

@@bbdumplin9146 dude same mindset. Some of them seem so sweet and funny, and like genuinely good people. But legit more than half of them kinda sounded like they almost defended cheating?! Like you "dont know the situation"? What is there to know? They broke the most important trust of someone who dedicated themselves to them for a piece of ass? Great morals...

[@Isabellas_ytchannel]

When?

[@m00nrac00n]

I always thought it is a joke but between this and "Damien not being invited to Parties" coming up a lot, they really dont like him that much, huh. Sad, cuz he has the best takes usually.

[@harryking6251]

This video continues to make me feel extremely icky! There’s some level of feeding into eachother that makes me feel uncomfortable. Olivia, Amanda, Keith & Angela - just hyped up eachothers bad takes… Then when someone respectfully disagreed! They’d like openly make fun of them. Felt really bad for Damien & Spencer here!

[@TheCertifiedHotdog]

Everyone who went on to disagree on the cheating friend thing just lost a lot of respect. No matter what, end the relationship before being with someone else. My ex-fiancee cheated on me and everything would’ve been easier if the relationship had just ended earlier before all that

[@Eva_Merlot]

Agreed! Also….the way they answered made me think they’d never tell the partner that they’re being cheated on. Like, how many of Keith’s friends that he’s known were cheating have partners who have had years of their lives wasted because no one told them?

[@jasmineae]

and for angela to say she surrounds herself with compassionate people…how ironic

[@manyharmons4308]

​@@jasmineae cheaters are hypocrites. They can be compassionate and disloyal as long as they think they have a valid reason.

[@emerson1998]

It makes me really sad to see everyone joking about Damien being left out of things, like everyone being invited to Olivia's house but Damien - especially as a neurodivergent person, being socially excluded is so common and really hurtful. I'm so glad he has Shayne, because it makes me so sad to think of him being left out of things consistently at Smosh

[@lavishty_]

Same. Also loved Spencer in this episode.

[@knockknockgetthedooritsdep9714]

Same. I have the same problem too and watching this made me so fucking upset I LITERALLY started to tear up for Damien. They're so shitty.

[@colinwesley1356]

Damien was spitting some truth and y’all’s true selves were peaking through your facial expressions….

[@Lmckin]

This^

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

Damien has so much integrity. Idk if I can say it’s exactly the same for everyone else.

[@nicolepiperrae1077]

^^ This. For real. This was a sad episode, especially how they made fun of him. Keep having integrity and be willing to stand up to your 'friends' if they do something shitty.

[@brent8407]

Yeah tbh Amanda and Spencer's facial expressions told me a lot there.

[@LOLWAAHH]

Have you idiots forgotten all the times he’s done that to others?

[@marklee9583]

Keith was an extreme L this video ngl. It's giving self-entitiled popular kid from high school vibes. The way he got so overly defensive when Damian talked about having cheater friends. Yeahhh... you're crazy if you tolerate that kind of stuff.

[@nwkborn99]

Amanda’s reasoning for every opinion: “I’m just a good person”

[@elalala576]

pretty sure that's a joke

[@cosyvader]

if i'm being honest, everyone -- except for damien, and spencer sometimes -- really rubbed me the wrong way this whole video :') i dont know if its just because im autistic, but i felt like some of them were really rude towards damien simply for the way he answered the questions differently than everyone else (when, in my opinion, he was the only logical one)

[@samanthagerbrandt7543]

No it’s not just you. It’s all over the comments.

[@pa5666]

If you're autistic but could still pick up on it, that just shows how little compassion the rest of the cast has because I and the majority of people in the comments agree with you.

[@logan.saige5910]

i literally had to question if i was going insane or if it was just me because i’m autistic but then i saw the comments and was like “oh, welp, glad i wasn’t the only one who felt like that” 😭

[@ceceliakra7234]

Hey, it's not the ASD making you confused, these people have super weird priorities.

[@Lostflightwarriorcats]

Yeah... There's only one take I disagree with of Damien's and it's the egg take, and that's just more of me being scared of getting sick than any moral issues. Honestly, I feel like if someone cheats, there's (usually) two possibilities. A. They're not doing well mentally and are in need of a reality check, and a stern talking to, as well as probably therapy. And/or B. They're a bad person who doesn't care about others. B seems like more often the case

[@Lisasplace]

go spencer for being in the right spot regarding the cheating one

[@ErikBPG]

I'm hella judging that some like "don't have any expectations for your friends". I'm friends with them because they're good people, if you're not gonna expect that then who are you friends with.

[@jellynellye]

I wonder how they feel about Elon Musk and Ghislaine Maxwell

[@michaelhuit]

To play devil's advocate, there are people who you might want to keep in your life because they're fun, nothing more. You're not looking for deep connection or anything like that, just a good time. Doesn't excuse anything, nor do I agree that that way of thinking is justified, but it's how a lot of people view friendships.

[@thatsprettylunchean]

@@michaelhuit I agree that some people truly see friendships in that manner but to me that's still bananas. If you are an awful person and I know, no way I find you fun to be around. You are tainted.

[@pamelah1220]

I suspect it has more to do with needing g connections in a tough city like LA. They might not want to burn a bridge "unnecessarily". I still disagree but I get it.

[@i9incher]

​@@thatsprettylunchean I was friends with someone I hated for a long time because they were so influential with my other friends I did like. Basically if I cut them off my social life would be gone and I wouldn't have any friends. Luckily that all changed when I graduated highschool.

[@Alucard-mj6yj]

Keith, Amanda, Olivia, and Angela absolutely bombed this vibe check 💀

[@bippitybopitybooty1127]

It was hard to watch

[@NewtBeGaming]

The cheating bit weirded me out. If you’re friend is unfaithful enough with their significant other, imagine how unfaithful of a friend they’d be to you. I just cant trust someone who cheats. Ive cut off LOT of people I called friends when I found out they cheated. Ive been cheated on as well, it HURTS. Its worse than a break up because they went behind your back to get some sort of satisfaction instead of bringing the issue up to you like they should.

[@darkestdungeon820]

i agree whole heartedly, I know that if I ever face this situation myself it’s the right to distance or just cut off. Staying or befriending people who cheat can greatly influence your views negativity. And yes, a lot of people just don’t know how much it hurts being broken up with their partners who they care about deeply. Damien and Spencer speaks truth

[@Turtle_Inc]

For the cheating thing, it'd rough. How can you expect someone to be committed to a friendship when they can't even commit to their partner?

[@Drecane]

I can kind of understand how Amanda wanted to think she was a good person for paying more by splitting a meal equally, but what if she is the one with the way more expensive meal? Her argument goes completely out the window, and if she pays more for her portion because she is a self proclaimed "nice person" then that is not splitting the check evenly.

[@notlame9546]

After this video I'm starting to think she's not much of a "nice person" after all

[@christopherscotts5797]

I mean it could also very much imply that she would never order the more expensive meal

[@andreponniah9900]

Yeah, and she kept making the same hypothetical where SHE was the one who ordered more and paid less. The only people who made the reverse argument were on the other side of the line.

[@pa5666]

No one can convince me that Amanda orders less food than most people. Sorry if that seemed rude or judgemental but that's exactly the way she came off in this video.

[@FaultyWirestv]

Sticking by friends who are cheaters is crazy to me. There are no caveat requirements. If you don't want to be with someone leave them. Don't cheat.

[@sarahmorris4575]

Exactly

[@bassguitarist]

Lost a lot of respect for the cast with the one, why stick by a person selfish enough to harm the one who loves them the most?

[@traiton6653]

@@bassguitarist Exactly, If they can't do the bare minimum of maintaining trust with their SO; how can you expect them not to screw you over at the first chance where it is beneficial for them to do so. I've downgraded friendships for much less. Seriously, made me lose any semblance of respect I might have had with the Cast on the Disagree side.

[@Intr0vertical]

What does your friends relationship dynamic have to do with you?

[@stevenclark5173]

@@Intr0vertical Integrity. Can you really trust a friend that lacks the integrity and maturity to end a relationship they clearly don't want anymore. Relationships can be complicated and situations vary but there's never any excuse to cheat on someone. Just leave the relationship or tell your SO you want to see other people.

[@SirSoup44]

Having expectations isn't like getting your hopes up of whatever. It's healthy to have some in place with every relationship to reinforce boundaries. I think that if someone doesn't meet the bare minimum repeatedly then they really don't care as much as you do.

[@galev3955]

I don't know about you all, but this series definitely helps me to not idolize celebrities ^^"

[@Keysora]

Shining that parasocial light real bright.

[@havesomejoy7451]

So true, this comment made me laugh bc of the fact that so many people idolize celebrities and yet some of them defend/stay friends with people who are cheaters!

[@deltaloraine]

Reminds you that most celebrities (even internet onres) still have that bit of "entitled Hollywood" aura around them, no matter where they are.

[@blooms454]

“Would you split equall-“ Me: *immediately hits the hell no buzzer* As a student with friends who are consultants/software engineers/etc., I ain’t paying your bills. Period. And I refuse to be taken advantage of even if I care about you and love you. Doesn’t make me a bad person

[@maxinoume]

This one sounds really weird to me. Where I'm from, splitting the bill doesn't exist (or, at least, I've never seen it). Either everyone has their own bill or someone pays for everyone (as in; gift). The concept of splitting the bill sounds completely foreign to me. Why would you pay for half the meal of the other and the other half your meal? Why not just pay for your own meal. I don't know if it's an American thing of if my region of the world is just the exception.

[@mercyfulnate]

@@maxinoume it may even be a regional thing because I’m American and my friend group never does this. I don’t see why anyone would even want to unless they’re taking advantage of their friends.

[@gingerinajacket8519]

@@maxinoume in America it is called "going Dutch" though it is really just what most people do anyway. I wouldn't get it either, it isn't like the list isn't already itemized. The only things that need to be split evenly are the appetizers that people share, and with that you just make a different subtotal for those and split that evenly. You order food, you pay for it. Simple as that.

[@thatdamncrow9197]

@@gingerinajacket8519 i think some people who are more well off might do it because it does not matter much

[@TheAluvisify]

@@maxinoume I think it varies. For some cases, it makes sense to split the bill if you know that the costs of everything is in the same ballpark. But yeah, if you're ordering a $25 meal and your friend is getting a $40 meal, it's pretty ridiculous to expect a split.

[@alva2277]

damn look at all these people who are ok with cheating until it's on them, wild.

[@Monika_-_]

zero empathy towards the person being cheated on, their own fun was more important

[@m00nrac00n]

They got LA brainworm

[@ThePoisonLotus]

Friendship breakups are SO PAINFUL, it's insane. I'm so happy for Olivia that she hasn't been through one

[@beepboop5491]

Friendship breakups hurt more than relationship breakups fr

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

The worst breakup I ever went through was with a friend. Friendship is deeper than romance.

[@buryrock3665]

​@@beepboop5491 I think you guys are comparing different levels of friendships to different levels of romantic relationships, put them on the same level and choose, the best thing a friend can be to you is a best friend and you guys have known each other since you were kids, and in a romantic relationship, they can be your wife or husband, now choose based on that

[@beepboop5491]

@@buryrock3665 I haven’t known any friends since I was kids, and they only last about 2-4 yrs each, but each one is still more painful than all my breakups. Even breaking up with guy friends hurts more than boyfriends. A friend is a lifelong relationship that you need, a romantic partner isn’t necessary for life. In a relationship you’re looking for a specific person, if your current doesn’t work then you look for someone who does. It’s much different with friends, cause you make such different types. Friends are literally people you spend so much more time with than people you’re dating- ofc if it’s like years of a relationship then it hurts, but I still think friendships hurt more. Most people will spill their entire self to a friend, but not their romantic partner. Plus, as a woman, it’s men are much easier to be friends with than to date, losing them as a partner is usually more relief than heartbreak- losing them as a friend is like losing your brothers.

[@dark_matter62]

I have broken up with and been broken up with multiple times in a romantic setting. They weren't all easy or fun or smooth but they all went decent enough. On the other hand, the biggest major friend breakup I had resulted in a conversation that went longer than any romantic breakup and got me slapped in the face. Definitely worse.

[@hnsa3203]

Smosh must be hella happy that dislikes are hidden on youtube for this one lmao

[@pussdesttoyer17]

As of this day it's 27k likes and 1.1k dislikes. Many of their videos have a 100:1 like:dislike ratio, this one has about a fourth of that.

[@hecticscone]

@@pussdesttoyer17 update: 30k likes to 1.4k dislikes. yeowch

[@KimsWeirdChannel]

I don’t think it’s weird to expect your friends not to cheat on their significant other. I don’t think that should be considered a “high standard”. I understand that it can be hard to tell someone you don’t love them anymore, but compared to cheating and crushing that person, just telling them should be so much easier. 🤷‍♀️ Plus, how would you feel if you were cheated on and then you watched the person that cheated on you still get all of the support?

[@rileyarnold9435]

i could never be friends with someone that has ever cheated on someone cause they chose to knowingly hurt someone they love and me being their friend, they might do the same thing to me and hurt me. in a relationship, you're deserving of respect and honesty and the same goes to friendships and if you cant do that in a relationship, how can i know if you'll do it in a friendship?

[@paige2804]

Some of the opinions on the cheating topic really rubbed me the wrong way. Like y'all are really ok with that? And then their responses to Damien were just kinda grimy. Love Smosh but definitely seeing some of the members in a different light

[@MegaCheche86]

that's your opinion and that's their's, respect it. there's different situation for stuff like this . they didn't say its ok to cheat

[@MikeMan1060]

It depends on context. How long is the relationship, how close are you with the friend, what kind of friendship do you have, idk it's more nuanced than just they're "ok with it"

[@482k7]

I agree, it sorta turned me off for some of them and that makes me sad but also these are just glimpses of what they think. They didn't say that they're okay with cheating but that they "shouldn't judge"? But it's also good to hold your friends to at least some moral standard. One of the main takeaways I got from the Disagree's side on that question was that you shouldn't have expectations for your friends, but like all things it isn't black and white and if you really care about a person then you should hold them accountable for their shitty actions and expect from them the decency of breaking up with someone if you want to be with someone else instead of cheating, I think that's a perfectly reasonable expectation to have *especially* for your friends. The rest of the guys' views on this kinda bummed me out aside from Spencer's, and my respect for Damien has grown. I really appreciate these kinds of episodes and discussions though, we can see so many sides to these matters and it's never fair to assume someone's full character from one response--but that's not to say that it can't serve as an indication to some capacity, and some of their body language and their responses were grimy as you said.

[@pa5666]

@@482k7 I agree with you but the bad part wasn't exactly their opinion, but their expressions when Damien gave his. It's almost like they're a group of bullies.

[@Alucard-mj6yj]

​@@MegaCheche86the opinion that it's ok to cheat is not one that needs respect

[@oliviahope7738]

This video was genuinely upsetting to me, particularly the cheating question. Good for you Damien and Spencer.

[@jellynellye]

I felt so let down by the cast

[@ITSMETHESHEEP]

Literally

[@notlame9546]

Same. Bad vibes all around. Especially from Amanda who kept giving side-eyes and judgment, which I was surprised about.

[@thespankmyfrank]

​@@notlame9546 Yeah, my opinion on her honestly changed after this video. I disagreed with her on basically every single point. And her side-eyeing felt really unnecessary.

[@--Danni--]

@@notlame9546she has been giving mean girl lately and it has turned me off of her completely as a cast member

[@user_was_taken]

Completely lost respect towards the ones who said they would still be friends with a cheater

[@yagurl4863]

Suggestion for next video: treat each other with respect and really reflect on how your words and your ability to listen affects others because I feel like some people really got hurt today.

[@matticelery52]

as someone who’s dad cheated on my mom, and has been cheated on myself i don’t think i could continue being friends with someone who i know cheated. i may be up to talking about it, but once that conversations done i’m out of their life. cheating is never a valid or reasonable thing to do. i honestly can’t think of a situation where it would be. and, to be true, seeing how okay so many of them were with it.. hurt? i guess? my life was ruined by cheating, and i’m definitely projecting, but.. damn

[@cortnybailey6340]

Same, like I got so upset by this. I can’t think of any situation that would justify cheating and ngl it hurt to see so many of them essentially acting like cheating is sometimes okay.

[@PredatorH2O]

Trying to justify cheating is a losing battle and I think most people know that. It's just that it's not that big of an offense to some people.

[@dreamywhales]

The only circumstance I think justifies it is if the other partner is abusive/they aren't allowed to leave the relationship. Like some people are trapped financially and culturally in marriages that they cannot leave safely. I wouldn't blame those people for seeking comfort from a third party. But I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who cheated when they could have just easily broken up if they weren't happy.

[@cortnybailey6340]

@@dreamywhales I wish there was a different word for circumstances like that because I think relationships like that shouldn’t be considered relationships, because as soon as that imbalance happens, and the love and respect and trust are replaced by fear (or were never there in the first place) then it’s become something different. A negative, awful situation that someone is stuck in. Where someone can’t escape bc they’re seen as a thing and not a person. Seeking comfort and refuge in someone else wouldn’t be cheating to me, like that person shouldn’t have to have the word cheater attached to them. When I hear the word relationship, I think of it as a positive thing. So if you are able to leave the relationship and instead choose to cheat, then there’s no justification.

[@whateverworksmate.721]

Yeah, you definitely don't know the inner workings of your friend's relationships, but I'm fully with Damien on the issue. A committed relationship is built on trust, just like a friendship, and if your friend knowingly betrays their partner's trust, I think some talk has to be had. *Especially* if you know both parties and are close to them, *especially* then, but even if you don't know their partner. On top of that, who's to say they won't betray *your* trust as their friend, if they went and did *that?* As for actually ending the friendship, that I'd base on how the friend reacts when confronted.

[@notlark650]

Fr. They betrayed their partner, the one they were supposed to cherish and care for above all else. Someone who's able to do that is not someone I wanna be friends with. I don't care how long we've been friends, there's no good reason to cheat excluding extenuating circumstances such as abuse. But if one of my friends is abusing a friend of mine they're dating, they're getting their ass kicked anyway so that doesn't matter

[@FandomAnon]

As a person who is also very tall, I agree with Amanda. Plus I really don’t wanna bother people with going to the bathroom

[@Stuie299]

Even as a short king I 100% agree with Amanda. Yes its the bathroom thing, but its also just the way my hips are. I have weirdly flexible hip muscles, and they get so tight and uncomfortable if I can't stretch them out at all.

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

I’m short too and prefer aisles seat. It’s the freedom for me and I’m not even claustrophobic. Easy access to bathroom, attendants serve you first (I’ve had an attendant forget to serve me drinks cause she thought I was a child of the lady next to me and I was too quiet to get her attention). Also I’m first to get up and get my bag to deplane.

[@ironwoman3592]

Not to mention, if you’re sitting in the aisle seat, you are able to get off of the plane faster

[@tickledtoffee]

I'm short and I like aisle seats too, mainly for bathroom visits and then I don't feel stuck. But if a tall person wants to swap out for my aisle seat I always say yes. I feel bad for people when they have to sit with their legs all folded and squished, and I have no issues with leg room no matter where I sit

[@ungoodthinkful]

Saaame. I'm 6 feet tall and I take medication that makes me need to pee more often, I will ALWAYS choose an aisle seat. I took a 6hr flight recently and I had to use the bathroom every hour, I can't imagine making the whole row get up every time.

[@lornadunes7850]

imo damien was right on every single point and some of the contrasting views were mind boggling to me , like when everyone was on full disagree for the cheating thing and thought he was the weird one for viewing a friend differently after that shit

[@zoeym5494]

I hope they all take the time to read these comments. Damien and Spencer, good for you for standing strong in your ideals. Holding friends to expectations is important! Not just if you're directly affected, because only having empathy if you're affected isn't empathy at all.