SMT V - Beating Demi-Fiend in 2 Turns? (Hard)

[@bainz]

Vengeance Note: SMTVV nerfed the amount of Magatsuhi gauge you get from sacrificing Demons from 30% to 15%, so this exact strat doesn't work anymore. There are still quick Demi-Fiend kills, they just work differently.

[@Hunikengt]

Oh man and I JUST came here from steam for this!! What a bummer. I guess modding is next.....

[@sird8566]

I made an improvement in the strategy for Vengeance! I used theses demons with the same build: Nuwa, Nahobino, Girimekhala, Lahmu, Loup-Garou. But I add a Rangda with Akashic Arts and safeguard. Turn order: TURN 1 -> Nuwa - Sacrificy Clay Nahobino - Impalers Glory Girimekhala - Impalers Animus Lahmu - Akashic Arts on enemy Girimekhala Nuwa - Sacrrifice Clay Nahobino - summon Loup-Garou Girimekhala - Luster Candy Loup-Garou - Impalers Animus Turn 2 -> Switch Nuwa for Rangda Pass all turns, So that Demi-Fiend can use Physical Attack on Rangda and lose his turns. Turn 3 -> Rangda - Akashic Arts on enemy Girimekhala Nahobino - Pass Girimekhala - Luster Candy Loup-Garou - OMAGATOKI: Adversity and use Figment Slash Nahobino - Figment Slash Girimekhala - Figment Slash Now you would need 1 more turn!

[@jayconstell9937]

Imagine what's going on their heads when being ordered to use a physical move against an enemy with physical repel, not only once but twice.

[@masayuki2133]

People said this is harder than DDS at first but because of the busted skills SMT V had at this point people can just do insane cheese strats such as this.

[@Asch_Ente]

The agency is in the players hands and if they choose to not use cheese then they get to enjoy a challenge. likewise some people enjoy the theorycrafting of the 2 turn cheese kills

[@monadoboy1887]

You can very easily cheese using the red star strategy like I did in the DDS fight and end it before the second gaea rage. Though you still have to go through the first gaea rage which is just an Rng fest still.

[@0ovidio0]

@@monadoboy1887 even that strat was hard as nails. In this case its meh

[@LuigiLonLon]

I mean, makes sense, being a Nahobino makes this protagonist canonically the most powerful of them all

[@oatstealer5075]

Smt 5 is a joke of a game, you'd think it was a persona game for how easy it is- oh wait atlus is now sellimg their series to persona children, no wonder the new game is a brainless power fantasy even at the hardest difficulty

[@samuel.t20]

0:39 Lahmu:I'm going to do what's called the pro gamer move

[@leonshirogane5541]

i see the 30k and nearly spit the coffee i drink

[@GoFastLive]

HhHow much damage? I mean, I already saw adversity strat doing insane damage, but killing demi-fiend in 2 turns, this is just incredible :O

[@Datdogg122]

3:39 trumpeter death scene emotional

[@atreyu979]

That was kind of insane

[@oinka]

By the time I get to play this game, i'll just come back to these videos for... the strats.

[@NovaAeternus]

ah yes

[@RosensDragon2140]

I'm at a lost for god damn words

[@carloslarareyes5205]

is amazing how important is Demifiend in SMT Saga, look, how many players creates this strategies

[@Asch_Ente]

I don't know if adversity has a cap but if you don't invest in magatsuhi wellspring for the entire game you can avoid healing the percent of hp at start of turn. of course that's only necessary if it would be the difference that pushed a 2tk to a 1tk. or just get more strength balms I guess

[@bainz]

Yea, if I could turn off Magatsuhi Wellspring, it’d be more scaling for Adversity. I don’t think it would make the difference, you’d still need Strength Balms/Incenses for the 1-Turn kill, but it’d have an effect

[@legionglory3154]

@@bainz Threshold for OTK is around 180 str so, it's doable without balm, but it takes more effort to get it without balm than with balm

[@EminenceAlpaca]

I feel like I’m gonna do this on my second fight. (You can get his essence twice by beating him again right..?) but for the first fight I’m gonna beat him the intended way, cool strategy tbh.

[@NDBIP]

I know this is obscenely late, but yes you can get his essence by defeating him multiple times.

[@GRiznitDShiznit]

Epic. Probably gonna have to do this when I get to him on hard. Couldn’t even beat him more than once on Casual.

[@Condor2481]

For the real challenge... Magic Nahobino vs Demifiend. Seriously; it seems that it's impossible as there is ZERO videos of a Magical Nahobino fighting against Demifiend. The closest that I saw is of a guy that say that he ALMOST ended the fight

[@The_Pikaboi]

I mean the idea is too just run a Peircing Magic Skill to get your DPS on Demi

[@justmehere_]

there is one now, its pretty much the same impalers glory, adversity, crit stuff but with ice age instead of murakumo

[@nosignal2240]

Deus on KZbin beat him solo and used a magic build.

[@Condor2481]

@@nosignal2240 Its insane how it took so long

[@VoltitanDev]

5:12 Demifiend: I like your strat G.

[@fridayam7502]

amazing

[@dillonmalbrue4179]

Honestly this game had the better Demi fiend fight

[@PuckishAngel]

DDS fight is amazing when you understand how it works, but it really is way better to battle without using excel and a calculator

[@aleaiactaest6503]

For the retaliate from chulainn, why not just put Cait Sith back to stock? It would still only cost half a turn

[@bainz]

You need Cait Sith to die to refill the Magatsuhi gauge

[@alateralus88]

Thanks for the vid and guide. Any chance u can do a demi fiend with manic character magic build ?

[@mahesalagi4701]

how much str needed for Nahobino? im still at 110 and its max level.

[@cheecharrones]

How do you get the strength stat to be so high on the demons?

[@treckooxx]

Only way I'll ever beat this guy

[@Psiheim]

I'm confused what was the point of Nuwa and Lamu dying and how come it didn't end your turn when you got reflected?

[@bainz]

Nuwa and Lahmu dying are what causes the Magatsuhi gauge to refill so quickly. The Safeguard passive skill prevents losing turns from Repel/etc

[@johnpikas765]

All extra stats are invested in STR for Mahobino or you have some VIT too?

[@bainz]

All invested to Str, with some Vit balms along the way

[@azurelight6932]

I don't know what to do about magatsuhi gauge because it feels like I'm barely able to get it filled up everytime I summon Loup-Garou for Adversity. I'm playing Vengeance, on my first run so i don't have Nuwa yet so I don't if she's really the major deal breaker in the strategy. But besides not having her i done everything one to one, it feels like they nerf the magatsuhi gauge got nerfed idk anymore.

[@bainz]

Oh, yeah I’m gonna update soon, but they nerfed the Magatsuhi gauge amount you get from self-KO from 30% to 15%

[@teddselden5925]

I would like to ask, what is the best way to get your health that low for the start of the fight. I'm encountering stupid AI for not recognizing that basic attacks don't work instead of going for pierce or magic that targets weakness?

[@hitoshurademigod9799]

This.

[@aisaenikos]

Attack an Decrabia that cast Tetrakarn with a powerful Phys attack and you'll get taken to 1 HP (Assuming you have endure)

[@Blaksuperman88]

How'd you get those repel phys on your demons?

[@treyatkinson7564]

You gotta grind out the right essences

[@thestarfromyugioh]

Essences + a *lot* of fusions

[@jbamachi7851]

What was the suicide attacks for? Does it add to adversity damage if you lose a few units?

[@bainz]

You need the Demons to die to refill the Magatsuhi gauge after expending it Turn 1

[@Mad77max77]

I built my team after watching this video, but I'm not in NG+ so I don't have access to Repel Phys, and can't give it to Werewolf. And I don't have Nuwa either And I think they nerfed the Magutsuhi refill, so I guess I'm screwed for this run.

[@roberthappel1486]

how does he attack where its blocked and doesn't loss any attacks

[@azurelight6932]

It's with the passive skill Safeguard

[@chrono_s9699]

Wait a second you can stack two magatsuhi skill?

[@bainz]

Yes, you can

[@PuckishAngel]

There is nothing against stacking, the problem is finding a way to fill the meter twice (in this case, abusing repel and safeguard)

[@drowningin]

I don't get it

[@AnTraXx-ip]

This doesn’t work now , it was nerfed

[@primaltrainer1018]

How did you not lose a press with nuwa

[@thanakoto2239]

there is a skill that stops you losing them

[@primaltrainer1018]

@@thanakoto2239 name

[@bluespeedalex5482]

They have the passive skill Safeguard on her

[@bainz]

Safeguard

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

@@primaltrainer1018 Safeguard.

[@mistake1197]

Don't lie. How many attempts.

[@bainz]

The 2-Turn strategy actually works every time, as long as you hit with Figment Slash

[@robjoker3786]

Well it seems even Demi-Fiend can´t defeat Demi-Fiend(DDS) as the hardest JRPG super boss of all time.

[@Plotpurotto]

If doing the fight purely Legit with no Physical repel then it’s arguably debatable that he is on par with his DDS version. SMTV just has more options to utilize and customize your team compared to what DDS does and since DDS only has three party members in a battle

[@robjoker3786]

@@Plotpurotto Well if you can cheese a boss battle with the resources the game gives you then the battle is not really that hard unless you impose yourself some rules to give the boss some advantages. DDS Demi-Fiend, DDS2 Satan and even Elizabeth from P3FES can wreck you even if you go with all the resources the game gives you, they don´t need the player makes some rules to made their battle hard. They need to give them back the nuke rule if you try to use absorb/repel/block skills, with just that mechanic this bosses would be so much harder.

[@siruno6024]

DDS guys and their skills are not so powerful as on smt v

[@PuckishAngel]

@@robjoker3786 Satan can be killed in 2 turns too, you just need absurd luck. And Elizabeth is very very hard (I didn't beat her without save states yet, this will be a 2022 mission for me), but I think she is far from being hard like DDS DF. I searched a lot and I think there is no other jrpg boss close to be as hard as DDS DF

[@robjoker3786]

@@PuckishAngel oh yeah you can 2 turns Satan but the rng requiered is just insane, thats something that could never happen unless you use save states and even using them will take alot of time, DDS Demi Fiend and Elizabeth are just imposible to beat in few turns without cheats, my best record on Eli was 2 cycles.

[@LeoF__]

How do i get low hp?

[@bainz]

Find the Girimehkala or Rangda near Asakusa, and hit yourself with a Phys move

[@LeoF__]

Thank you

[@dream6562]

Now let's see you do this again without dumping everything into one stat

[@POKEFAN023]

Can someone please give me a list oh which miracles to learn? I’m going for a strength build btw

[@kaitogg322]

"Harder than dds"? Lol

[@sheneanbolts1001]

Fighting the Demi-fiend is a lot easier than in Digital Devil Saga. There is no challenge anymore. Atlus should of just made this fight just like before. Now everyone is gets status ailments on his team and are super weak. Lastly, I don't like the fact that you pretty much always go first in the battles.

[@t-universegamer7609]

@A its only boring if youre the one watching, while playing you need to constantly keep up your game or else you just gameover and have to restart from the beginning with hardly any ways of cheesing, thats why its called a "super boss"