SMT5V Demi-Fiend 1 Turn (No Dagda/No Incense/No Repel Phys/No NG+/Over 50% Success Rate)

[@ababyharpseal6534]

I love how Dagda is so good in this game that low-turn-count strats need to specify that they’re not using him.

[@russmcmacken9001]

Honestly I don't find anything useful about dagda that another unit cant do better, hes mostly in my party for danu to use the gauge skill.

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

The gauge skill is the reason his absence is worth acknowledging.

[@ababyharpseal6534]

@@russmcmacken9001 Fair enough, but Dagda was an absolute godsend for me when I was dealing with Masakado (even without the gauge skill) thanks to his passive skill proccing at an opportune moment. He seriously kept Masakado asleep for two full turns!

[@Enchilada1994]

​@@ababyharpseal6534 Lucky! It only happened once for me, then I got my ass obliterated. ...in Casual Difficulty.😢

[@Mega1UpMan]

Man I really wish Dagda was better on his own terms. Lost Hit is so cool, but I feel like it should pierce or always crit to have it be like actually useful

[@mrhbombman]

A Young Man and his Giant Blob beat up a Guy with Tattoos and No Shirt. In all seriousness this was a cool setup. Atlus really went wild with the innate passives. Has led to seeing a lot of demons getting use when normally wouldn’t in Vanilla.

[@Kiri68419]

Thanks and THANKS SIX MILLION! I wanted to beat Demi on my first run through in COC, purely to gain access to his bank account. I wasn't getting anywhere even on casual with what I had, so I scrambled to make what's seen here and quite easily followed along! (helped that I had half the stuff i needed in the party with me, though I did need to use my stockpile of almost 50 insence, but only used half of it after grimore save scumming, much like you noted in the desc). And to put the rest of this into words: Demons HATE HIM! Learn how this one Naohobino made 6 figures in one day using this one weird trick!

[@acidgod907]

My man CTOBN

[@HispachioZ]

MAGAfiend is something don't know possible

[@baguettetheweirdguy2529]

​He's not wearing a maga hat lmfao, it's the cap that one kid wears in Persona 5

[@HispachioZ]

@@baguettetheweirdguy2529 😯😯 LMFAOOOOO how can I see with that amount of pixel

[@baguettetheweirdguy2529]

@@HispachioZ You can literally just check his profil and see a bigger profil icon

[@bothdoorscares3878]

Interesting. By all accounts, you can add an extra 5% damage by removing Arahabaki for a Slime at the last hit when it's set up. Not a necessity but it helps for reliability's sake.

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

True, I wish I thought of this sooner. I believe you could also swap it for Huang Long to get a slight bigger overall boost, as 2.1 x 1.06 > 2.2 technically. Or actually, Bicorn would be a bigger boost than that, giving the last hit an overall 7.381% damage boost. EDIT: when I said 7.381%, I think I punched the wrong numbers into my calculator. It's actually more like 4.884%, as opposed to Slime/Black Ooze/Siegfried giving 2.326% over what I did

[@bothdoorscares3878]

@@cantthinkofbettername5065 Wait, I'm not comprehending this. Why Huang Long? Doesn't his innate passive only work for Multi-Hit attacks? As for Bicorn, is the critical damage boost really worth it? If I have the right idea, you should have a 190% damage boost (since Bicorn only has 2 weaknesses) multiplied by 1.1x. And I don't think that's stronger than 220%.

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

compared to Slime's 5, so you go from 2.2x to 2.05x. 2.05 x 1.1 = 2.255. Bicorn's innate is only insufficient to out-perform Xiezhai as Gogmagog support.

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

Huang Long's innate has been grossly mistranslated and misunderstood. It's like Nyami-Nyami or Zaou Gongen, but for other party members with Omagatoki effects.

[@russmcmacken9001]

@@cantthinkofbettername5065 This is the first place Ive heard this and it makes so much sense in my testings im mad i didnt figure it out before, ty so much!

[@Mad77max77]

If you don't challenge yourself for 1 turn kill, here is a strat *anyone can pull off 1ST CANON 1ST RUN !* The 1st turn to set things up: Shiva for minimum Defense, Arahabaki used Pierce buff, skip turn with the hero, switched 4th demon with Azazel to lower Attack and switched Shiva for Nahibeeho. 2nd turn is the last one : Nahobeeho uses Strategize, switch Azazel and Tzitzimitl back and forth (don't need Belial since Defense is already at minimum), then enter Amanozako to switch debuffs>buffs and Gogmagog to do 6 Figment Slash at 11000 damage each (He has 130 Str 95 Speed). I should have done that earlier. The hardest part was to beat Shiva, and give Null Physical to most demons.

[@azchhn]

Sorry for a dumb question but why do you switch nahobeeho in and out after attacking?

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

To refresh Impaler's Animus on Gogmagog

[@garlanramadhan4291]

is gogmagogg with figment slash really the best for this strategy? what about keraunos instead as you can use charge and it may also crit 100% of the time with 24 demons in stock.

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

Demi-Fiend's not in your stock when you fight Demi-Fiend, and you want a full party of guys ideally (Zeus, Arahabaki, something to boost Zeus damage) with that setup, so it's at most 21 in stock. Assuming I use my 4th slot for Glasya-Labolas (who gives Zeus 1.5x crit rate), then Zeus still needs 155 Luck to hit 100% crit rate into Demi-Fiend. 155 Luck Zeus with a reasonable Strength stat isn't feasible without incense. Gog's damage multiplier is also over 2x, which more than makes up for the weaker Charge

[@garlanramadhan4291]

@@cantthinkofbettername5065 Oh, does gog's vengeful might also count for the ailment weaknesses?

[@shmurple7953]

​@@garlanramadhan4291yes it does, which is why xuezhai affinitoes buff it the most

[@Mad77max77]

​@@garlanramadhan4291yes, that's why it's even better to have the Cai-Zhi (the sheep) essence on the hero, it makes him very weak, but helps Gogmagog a lot !

[@homerlol9058]

How does dagda cheese this fight? Or why you the no dagda tag?

[@calvaflow323]

Im assuming its because of his unique magatsuhi skill which refreshes all of his press turn icons, essentially giving you twice the opportunities to attack

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

ya Dana's Wisdom (the Dagda + Danu Magatsuhi skill) resets the press turn counter, and can also be looped for a grossly extended turn. Since Dagda is DLC, saying "no Dagda" is more or less equivalent to saying "no DLC", for people who perceive DLC as "cheating" or "pay to win".

[@homerlol9058]

Thank You both :) I did not know that Atlus really went bonkers with some of the magatsuhi skills

[@russmcmacken9001]

@@cantthinkofbettername5065 How would you generate enough magatsuhi to loop it? I assume it would take careful setup.

[@cantthinkofbettername5065]

You need to set up 5 demons to kill themselves to refill the bar, refilling 15% each. If Nahobeeho is out when you use Dana's Wisdom, it's possible to have 25% or more still available after using it the first time. It's something you'd do pretty much only with strategize active.

[@ArthurKH358.2]

No Dagda? Gimme some time to grind and I can demolish my way through just by using Beelzebub, Konohana Sakuya basically Idun on steroids. Donum Gladi and Masakado

[@vanilla8956]

Well did you?

[@ArthurKH358.2]

@@vanilla8956 change of plans I did this with Agrat, Sandalphon and Metatron for Almighty attacks. Forget buffing my way through I’m basically brute forcing with Almighty spams. Metatron’s Almighty attack crits thanks to Sandalphon and Agrat can simply give herself a crit. I simply equipped Lunar Hurricane and Moonlight Frost for the heck of it

[@DistressedCrab]

How’d it go

[@ArthurKH358.2]

Change of strategy. Lunar Hurricane and Moonlight Frost. For teammates I have Agrat, Sandalphon and Metatron to damage my way through. Figured trying something else because Masakado is too broken and then there’s Dekaja and Dekunda