Legio Custodes vs Iron Warriors - Horus Heresy (Battle Report)

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[@stephenrussell3839]

Just one for you the iron circle have a 5++ when one is left. This would've meant that pert could've died a turn earlier

[@SNBattleReports]

That’s true same as the phalanx with less that 3 I forgot as well.😊 hope you enjoyed

[@josephvaccariello4181]

really interesting balancing act with custody considering that with their nearly universal 2+ armor save anything less then anti tank fire tends to bounce off of them. Yet at the same time anti tank fire tends to be very low shots and also not high enough strength to actually insta kill them meaning each one takes min 2 ant tank shots wounding to kill one. Honestly they feel like an army of light vehicles world eaters.

[@demcrusher7086]

The Iron Warriors look outstanding! 👍🤘

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks boss

[@redcorsair14]

Love that Iron Warrior force. Some really cool looking models there. I havent even thought about veterans and at the time I am writing this, they havent actually done anything in your video yet, but now I want to build some. Think I will put them in the queue after Dominators.

[@SNBattleReports]

Kitted out like that they are amazing

[@newtpondskipper]

Yes! Two great sportsmen with beautiful armies! Love the channel!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks! ♥️

[@damyendevries7662]

Dont forget that sponson mounted weapons can only target a unit if the unit lies within its firing arc AND has line of sight. regarding the first shooting phase left kratos sponson.

[@mattcook4425]

Amazing! I've been waiting for this!

[@SNBattleReports]

Enjoy Matt

[@coldpsyker1354]

Sitting here painting up a Spartan while debating where to put the hazard stripes. Iron Within!

[@SNBattleReports]

Do it!

[@AirsoftAddicted]

Amazing models, amazing game, I enjoyed this battle very much. I have a feel, both armies had possibility to win, although game was won by Tzeentch and his dice sorcerry. ;) Looking forward for further reports!

[@SNBattleReports]

Haha so true! Tzeench intervened

[@tebusan6217]

Where did u get those lightning claws on your iron warriors? I would like to buy some pls

[@SNBattleReports]

Man that’s a big mix! So difficult to get. They are 40k terminator, 40k vanguard and HH lightning claws

[@tebusan6217]

@@SNBattleReports what’s HH

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@@tebusan6217 horus Heresy

[@etch3653]

Remember rending against vehicles is d3 extra to armour pen not ap2 so it won’t be able to get you the coveted explodes result 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah did we not do that? Sorry

[@SNBattleReports]

Hope you like the report anyway

[@etch3653]

Oh I love all your guys reports, it’s amazing so much new heresy content is coming out after 2.0 and tbf a lot of people don’t realise rending effects vehicles differently

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah ap is not a thing on vehicles

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

DC Where’d you get that helmet for the Praetor ? Forgeworld ?

[@SNBattleReports]

That’s from the new Iron Warriors kit

[@maxtracker2904]

Damn. That custodes army is beautiful. Particularly the shield captain.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Max! We are actually recording today again with them vs Word Bearers

[@justinkotrba2197]

Great game and those silver dice look sweet! Love this Heavy Hitting / Titanium Armor battle of these two armies. What an amazing Iron Warriors army, so much power

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Justin

[@olispictures5912]

Hi there, i swear the iron circle only get the 5+ fnp when taken as a retinue for perty. Because of the 25% unit point restriction im not sure you can take that in a 3000 point game?

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah we don’t use that rule we state it in the report

[@SNBattleReports]

Silly rule…

[@olispictures5912]

@@SNBattleReports yea it's so weird! I wanna take perty and his robot boys!

[@TheUrizen]

It is finally here!

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🙌🏽

[@sultansuleman1046]

Thats a strange one, AP3 lascannons on Custodes jetbikes ngl

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Yeah

[@jovenlawrence4977]

Good game. Something to keep in mind about the hold the line reaction is you need to do a ld check to make the charge disordered if you fail it nothing happens. You also can't do the reaction if your in combat so you can avoid the reaction by charging another unit in first because as soon as it makes it in the unit is in combat. So the custodes player could have put the dread in first and then the guard into pert and got more attacks by avoiding the reaction. Small thing but can add up. Good game gents

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks! good spot there i always forget that the Hold the line reaction needs a leadership

[@redhatter94]

Love some HH, it seems like a lot of fun to play.

[@combatwombat2134]

It's an absolute blast, man, and with the Age of Darkness box set it's never been more accessible. 👍

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s awesome 🎉

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@@combatwombat2134 exactly ❤

[@petercarlson8240]

Good game. Would have been a different story altogether if Stevie would have remembered his Surge moves (or if DC had graciously forgiven that error),all but guaranteeing those charges a turn earlier. Good game, good opponents!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Peter

[@sn_dc]

Did I not forgive an error? I recall a joke about something on that 😂

[@johannesflood5485]

Yes, good game and i also think it would have been a different story if Stevie G have had average rolling on them D6's instead of stacking snake eyes over and over.

[@derryburns8968]

Random one. But isn’t a failed invuln agaisnt forgebreaker instant death? It’s strength 12 so pretty much doubles any non primarch or Dreadnaught character out.

[@SNBattleReports]

Unless he has eternal warrior

[@thegodofcakes5986]

A quick reminder to a rule that I noticed come up multiple times. If a model in a unit has already suffered any wounds then you must allocate wounds to that model. So for instance, after your Veteran Sergeant had suffered a wound you couldn't allocate to the normal dudes before the Serg dies. The same happened in melee with the Iron Circle vs the Dreads where Perturabo was allocated wounds while one of the Domitars were wounded.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah we know that so sorry if not slipped. I can’t remember the Vet Sergeant being wounded so sorry.

[@SNBattleReports]

Hope you liked it anyway buddy

[@thegodofcakes5986]

@@SNBattleReports In fact, it seems I pulled the trigger a bit early. The rule mentions "unless that model has the character sub-type". Now it'd still have mattered for the Iron Circle but not for the Sergeant, so my bad there. I'm still underway, about 50 minuttes in and enjoying it. Good to see Custodes in action :)

[@notnubilous3804]

Always great to see Perty

[@SNBattleReports]

Love that guys!

[@QuayNemSorr]

The guy carried the Heresy.

[@Devianreal]

Iron Within, Iron Without!

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❤️

[@TheCainPrince]

Loving the debut of Perty but how long is DC gonna dangle this Erebus Carrot 👀😂

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🙌🏽 😂

[@xerik1994x]

Woah, did you make those explosions or are they purchases?

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Printed

[@titiustatius7926]

iron V gold, the hottest rolling players out there, what could possibly go wrong... #epicness #followthePert

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Thanks bro 🎉

[@kirtanis4529]

What bad rules were given to the Custodes that they lost in close combat with a strong advantage on points. Thanks for playing! Armies are very cool

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks buddy

[@ChrisPrice12]

As awesome as it is to see the Custodes in play, what I'm really eager for is the Solar Auxilla. Any change we'll see them on the table anytime soon? Also, DC, when you can't think of a Rite to take, go Hammer.

[@SNBattleReports]

We will be doing a army review as we sadly don’t have an army 😔

[@ChrisPrice12]

@@SNBattleReports Wouldn't care if you used Guard models as long as you guys have fun trying them out.

[@GreyLionGaming86]

Good game guys. I might be wrong but I think lightning claws have rending 6+.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yes they do Ben sorry if we missed any

[@bohansen4647]

You can only get AP2 on auto cannon when Rolling to wound. Not vs Armor

[@SNBattleReports]

Yea correct sir! They missed that one

[@Thedagda801]

Yay! Superlative as always

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Enjoy my friend

[@jruggainz3394]

Hey DC @ 45:30 in this scenario I would’ve just stopped playing as the iron losers and played imperial fists lol

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Hahaha

[@stephenrussell3839]

Brilliant game and looking forward to more! Gotta say though custodes are very odd......2+ 6++ 4++(from cover due to skirmisher rule) 6 attacks on charge 4 base 5 charge 6 nemesis....beastly.....Hetaetron Guard looking really cool with blades! Gotta admit though....the ranged weapons in this book are a absolute joke! The venerati have basically a autocannon👎👎 The Telemon is insanly bad for its pts! Ive already had a look at assasins and they really suffer. Sisters of silence are looking really cool though! Gonna be building more of them for deffo!

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Thanks Stephen

[@HammerheadWOC]

I thought 4++ on shields was against shooting only? maybe not

[@sn_dc]

Hey! Not that I can see, page 185 ‘Moving Bulwark’ special rule, so long as they are in base contact 4++ (improved by 1) does not specify shooting only 👍

[@wizzpete]

@@sn_dc I think their 'roll 3 dice discard the highest' is only against shooting though for leadership. Also, once you only have 1 iron circle left you invun reverts back to 5++ as you need 2 shields in base to get the 4++. Great game though and was really interested to see how custodes are in this edition. Seems like even more1-trick pony than before, but at least you can kill them now!

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah this is correct I think he was doing it right until he had one left

[@uafthetall9150]

The Iron Warriors will never die

[@FnRenner]

Great game but I wish the Custodes list was a bit better set up for the long game

[@SNBattleReports]

How do you do that Karl?

[@eccentricbear]

Custodes look like a bit of a one trick pony - albeit its a pretty good trick. But its basically run forward...

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah you need to get stuck in asap

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

CUSTODIAN STEVIE GEE vs IRON DC 😀😀😀

[@tristangodfrey282]

Already pointed out by others - but should have done the Surge move after the failed charges!!!! Really love that 30K rule... way more risk vs reward than 40K's 'charge full distance or don't move at all'.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah deffo

[@swiftboi2011]

Bin those gold dice.

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haha

[@knoxminis1211]

A shame the dice were so one-sided in that game. Tough to watch, lol. But it is a dice game!

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah next one hopefully is a bit better 😂

[@simonjackson1571]

Nice game. Fewer dreads and more bikes maybe? Get in the enemy's face quicker.

[@SNBattleReports]

Hey Simon! We actually used that yesterday for a game this weekend on SN+. Bikes problem is they are so expensive and have a 3+ save which is very sad

[@krunoslav2658]

Custodes/sisters = inst win button army. No skill required whatsoever XD

[@dilbob454]

You sure about that XD

[@gosupaints5186]

I see Perturabo and I click. EZ.

[@SNBattleReports]

Good life choice

[@jackwhorton6826]

As funny as Pert failing 3 2+ on the explosion was.. for explosions you allocate 1 hit to each model within the explosion so it would have been 1 on him, 1 on each automata etc. Means everyone is at risk but also you can't 'tank' the -AP wounds on the best save..

[@SNBattleReports]

Sorry but it’s same as a shooting wound pool. Wounds could be distributed as if it was a shooting attack so same as always.

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And this is after talking to a rules writer.

[@jackwhorton6826]

Fair enough but it would be good for the rules writer to write the rule in that way as the wording implies each model individually takes a hit. I suggest ‘each unit within the explosion radius takes a number of hits equal to the number of models in that unit within the explosion radius’.. you’re welcome GW! And please ask them to faq/explain the wound pool / wound allocation process with respect to characters. There’s absurd debates about how to resolve it! Fun bat rep though. I think custodes are going to be quite boring as a primary army due to no rites and only one wlt. Probably as it should be though.

[@sultansuleman1046]

Im sure Nemesis affects Primarchs

[@SNBattleReports]

Yes sir! It does but the part about never needing to hit worse than a 4+ doesn't count on primarchs

[@BlueShadowDragon]

I think it's only the hitting on no worse than a 4s doesn't work against Primarchs. It was mentioned in the article when the Nemesis rule was revealed. I could be wrong though! "These mighty warriors scan the battlefield looking for particularly worthy targets. Once an enemy unit fulfils the essential criteria to count as a ‘Nemesis’ unit the Custodes can engage, gaining +1 Attacks, +1 to Charge Rolls, and never needing to roll higher than 4+ to score a Hit - unless that foe is a Primarch." From the article 'Heresy Thursday - Custodes, Solar Auxilia and Assassins Prepare for War With Liber Imperium' posted on the 8th Sept '22.

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

@@BlueShadowDragon 😝😝😝 FA ydahs si CD Seriously DC getting the 5++ FNP wrong had a drastic effect on the outcome of the game and honestly it’s disappointing but not unexpected.

[@SNBattleReports]

@@BlueShadowDragon yep how we did it

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@@Black_Blow_Fly what 5+++?

[@peters6345]

Heh ironcircle seems op 😅 .. if ironwarriors can stand up to custodes (and golden boys are a one trick pony) in combat something is completely wrong balance wise. A pretty bad one sided game. Something I'd expect from 40k but not heresy

[@SNBattleReports]

Wasn't as one sided as it looked in the end but i really think that the dice rolls for Stevie did not make it for an even game.

[@3v3rhard]

Really nice battle report! Have to say I really start to dislike HH2 everthing that is released outside the first legion books is just total crap. HH2 is all about immersion and story telling, Custodes having weaker armor then a Tartaros terminator is beyond.... mere Guards leaders have 5+ invul. Also all the shooting is nerfed so hard why even bother bringing anything then the basic guardians with spears. The Dreads are strong but missing Brutal means they are weaker then any contemptor. 3+ sv custodes are heresy... how are bikes a 3+ even more stupid with the adrastic weapons insta killing themselves... So we have an army that is only good in melee but lacks a transport to assault from. So the games end up with a hoard of Guardians running around the table, doesn't seem fitting for the finest of the Emperor...

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah the shooting is definitely lacklustre! No idea why the bikes are armour 3+ really caught as by surprise as they are very expensive. The custodes do have a better toughness is which is very important for instant death and wounding allocation. Lastly the normal Custode has a 2+ not 3+ but i understand your pain. The Spear dread does have a fist with brutal 3

[@katna2778]

the amount of rules missed scares me, praetors are ld 9, custards are t5, 2 wounds with a 2+, 4+ invul, missiles dont insta kill them. the vets and primarch are Nemesis units so u get a plethora of bonuses vs them.

[@sn_dc]

Hey Kat! We all make mistakes, for example: Praetors are Leadership 10, not 9 Custodes are 6++ with spears and 5++ with shields, not 4++ The bikes are 3+ save, which is where you are getting mixed up with the instant kill, as the missiles are AP3. We used Nemesis correctly, you can’t hurt a Primarch on anything better than a 4+ otherswise the vets and Iron Circle got the nemesis buffs used against them Hope that helps? And so long as you enjoyed it like we did, that’s the main thing! 😊 mistakes are bound to be made

[@SNBattleReports]

Kat the amount of rules you are getting wrong scares me…

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Kat?

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Kat you there?

[@martynsmith820]

@@SNBattleReports hahahaha buuurrrrrnnnn!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥