SNK's Influence on Guilty Gear

[@yosha101]

I'll always love that Sol is practically Terry lite in his moveset Even with the changes over the years you still look at bandit bringer and think "Yep, that's fuckin' power dunk"

[@blooddumpster3427]

Whoa, as huge fans of both games and characters, I'm surprised to say I had never even thought of the similarities in Terry and Sol.

[@Peeves22]

holy shit Sol really was just an iteration on Terry

[@andrewskey3379]

Terry’s descendant

[@renexuz1]

For an interview Daisuke did in Dengeki Online talking about his life that lead to him making Guilty Gear, Daisuke specifically mentioned how the 2 main influences for him were SF2 and Fatal Fury series (sadly did not clarify which games specifically). Also in the code of the Unity port of GGML (the one on steam & switch) internaly Gun Flame is actually named Power Wave (as its a source port, its very likely this is the case with the original PSX version too). This is a nerd thing but in GGML Bandit Revolver is just SF2 Fei Long chicken wing, but its true the later versions of the move are closer to crackshoot.

[@YouSoSpice]

the Terry/Sol moveset was eye opening really

[@meganinten0078]

About Sol being based on Terry Bogard In KOF Maximum Impact 2, there is a secret alternate costume for Terry, where it is based on Sol's

[@spacemanthing5204]

I feel so dumb for not seeing the billy and axl comparison sooner

[@mako6894]

thats pretty good timing, just started playing kof 15 recently. now i will forever see terry pilebunker

[@Frankentank]

Hey put some respect on BUSTAH WOLF, it's been around longer than Pile Bunker

[@mako6894]

@Frankentank now i will forever see bustah wolf slayer*

[@Frankentank]

@mako6894 That's more like it

[@anzol4523]

Baiken. straight up a SamuSho character (full circle with her guest appearance in the latest samusho).

[@Frankentank]

And as it turns out, putting a Guilty Gear character in a game that is decidedly NOT Guilty Gear is actually a nightmare balance-wise!

[@SamuraiGhost63]

She is actually based on Rurouni Kenshin. Daisuke Ishiwatari seen the art for it and thought Himura was female

[@anzol4523]

@@SamuraiGhost63 should i take the opportunity and tell you to go after the (un)surprising relationship between Rurouni Kenshin and SamuSho as well? also of course he made that confusion, that was the intended design for kenshin

[@anzol4523]

@@Frankentank i mean, they did decide to go with xrd baiken who has a ton more tools then her current incarnation. but also, Warden of all characters was a formidable threat for a good while and he's got barely anything but very basic tools. samusho balance was just funky like that with the guest characters

[@Frankentank]

@@anzol4523 I remember the bunny girl was really broken for a while. Isn't Hibiki also top tier?

[@HellecticMojo]

I still can't get over how incredibly evil looking Axl is in GG1. He looks like he shanks Yamazaki for fun

[@tarkuslee7278]

Honestly, GGML Bandit Revolver is closer to Fei Long's Chicken Wing than to Crack Shoot. The 1st and 2nd active hitbox poses of CW and the 2 main key-frames of BR are practically identical from an animation perspective, and they function similarly. On this note, Daisuke cited SF2, KOF, and Tekken as his inspirations for ML.

[@D-vb]

2:30 you can also see Leona, Clark, Ralph, and Heidern Those other two could be Athena and Shingo Yabuki

[@thelettuceclub]

I think my favorite GG fact is that Missing Link bandit revolver is literslly a trace-over of Fei Long's Super Turbo chicken wing special

[@nelomalkevain4129]

IIrc wasn't team Neo Blood (the team that developed Missing Link) made out of ex SNK members ? Explains a whole lot form the spritework to the moveset inspirations.

[@ultracaustic1588]

You forgot to mention how Order Sol's Savage Fang is literally Terry's Power Geyser

[@VileLasagna]

Honestly, anyone that likes any sort of grappling just needs to get into King of Fighters like, 25-30 years ago SNK has no fear of making them scary and there are just SO MANY different ones. You want solid fundamentals and nice vortex game? Clark is there Agility and fancy tosses? Shermie's your girl You still like them beeg beefcakes? King of Dinosaurs is waiting for you Want to play a grappler who's also a zoner? Well, Dolores is just that... And it keeps going. I play all grapplers and Shermie's the only one of those on my main lineup (most of the time). There is no end to the hugs

[@rendidatriansyah6103]

Don't forget Athena. sleep on fireball and she zooms in then hugs you to juggle everything with fireballs 😆 probably the only archetype i haven't seen really manifest in KoF is puppet one, like Alice (soku 12.3) or Jack-O

[@VileLasagna]

​@@rendidatriansyah6103 Yeah, I don't think there were ever any which is surprising but maybe a relief? Tons of people have a cheeky command grab somewhere in their moveset. Benimaru is a classic. Definitely not "a grappler" but Benimaru Collider is absolutely terrifying as part of his mixup pressure. Same thing with Iori's Scum Gale

[@carlosaugusto9821]

I started KOF in the very early 00s in 97-98. But then I'm from South America, so that's not special. The surprise would be an American fg player pay a lot of attention to SNK in the arcade era.

[@Mario_bland]

I've always thought of GG more of a darkstalkers evolution than a snk game, but hell yeah sol terryguy

[@Frankentank]

It's both honestly Capcom and SNK DNA is in Gear

[@Nofixdahdress]

There's a lot of Darkstalkers DNA in Blazblue; tech rolling, a lot characters being plays on classic horror monsters, Valkenhayn has a few moves that are just straight up Talbain moves (obviously the beast cannon, but also a few normals.) Arcsys took a lot of inspiration from their fighting game dev forebears.

[@Frankentank]

@@Nofixdahdress Blazblue also has SNK DNA in there Hazama's astral is Raging Storm in both input and animation

[@Duskia]

Mai's EX fireball in XV behaves exactly like Anji's butterfly, but i don't know if it came before or after him

[@Frankentank]

That came from Genjuro's card fireball and I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT

[@10001vader]

Arcsys loves their deadly raves. Narukami has it in p4a, and djeeta has it in the first gbvs

[@h2_]

I'm guessing the stage background characters that didn't get marked are Athena, Kensou(?), Leona, Clark, half of Ralf, half of some green guy? Why are those last two so thin I dunno

[@watchulookinat271]

Holy crap SNK is the big inspiration for GG this whole time??

[@Robomori]

Great video, SNK can always use more love :)

[@sakarain]

Jam has a few of references to Fist of the North Star, right? I’m not too familiar with HnK to know

[@TrapMagius]

The most obvious one is a reference to Hokuto Hyakuretsu Ken with a 100 punch Overdrive, and that was in AC. But other than that nothing sticks out in my mind at the moment. It's been a long, long time since I took a good look at her moveset. I guess her QCF+K move could be a reference to Shin's/Ken's flying kick in the first episode where Ken gets absolutely rekt, but that might be a stretch considering it's just... well, a flying kick.

[@sakarain]

@@TrapMagius Yeah i was aware of the super because of dustloop. Also, the way she combos reminds me of the HnK fighting game and if I heard it correctly she says the “You’re already dead” line as her taunt in GGX Plus

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Just to make it quick for you... almost all japanese 2d fg has a FOTNS/HNK reference. Because they are very inspired by classic anime overall, because that's the childhood of the generations that were working on those games in the 90s. And FOTNS/HNK was among the biggest action animes of the late 80s.

[@liaocheng4942]

If you are also an anime fan, I would recommend you Giant Robo: The Day the Earth Stood Still. You will find some character design that Anji Mito and Slayer were based on 😂

[@MartinODonnel]

IDK why but at 2:30 that definately looked like Joe

[@invertebrado]

Snk has a soft spot in my heart, just like most of latin America players.

[@sonictrain1]

Now if only arc sys could influence them to make decent looking games

[@Frankentank]

@@sonictrain1 hey KOFXV looks good And CotW also looks really good

[@rubiconcrossing4480]

What's the ending song?

[@Frankentank]

@@rubiconcrossing4480 MegaMan & Bass- Opening Stage