23Zero Bandit Swags - Features

[@DavidClarke_au]

Awesome swag, and great service from Snowys too. Recommend them both highly!

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Thanks for recommending us, David. Happy camping! ~ Ben

[@Haywoodjablomie100]

Wow Ben really knows his stuff, fantastic video! Always good service from Snowys too. Thanks guys.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Thanks for the kudos, Haywood Jablomie. ~ Ben

[@AridersLifeYT]

Great video guys, i love these new gen swags. All i want now is this pole design but elevated off the ground (inbuilt stretcher) with a enclosed cabin space for my dog at ground level and im set!

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Heh, good idea, BikeStuff, maybe 23Zero will pick up on this in the future. ~ Ben

[@jesusblessthesecommentsamen]

I like the old swag like my motorbike swag from the 90s just like a sleeping bag cover jump in and zip up no poles compact. Hard to find them these days

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Oztrail still do their Cooper swag which is really really popular! www.snowys.com.au/cooper-expedition-single-swag ~ Lauren

[@jeffpoultney645]

Great swags.

[@rossdrayton5476]

Excellent review. Many Thanks.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

You're welcome, Ross. ~ Ben

[@Riley-gg1vu]

Love your videos guys. Had a couple questions/ queries. Firstly is whether you guys would be able to do a comparison video between the bandit swags and the dirty dees, looking at upgrading from a double hoop swag to one of these but scratching my head on which to pick and would love to see a vid or even a blog post comparing the two. Secondly, how do you guys reckon 2 fairly average sized people would fit in a 1100, or would it just be better to go with the 1400 over the sake of saving a couple bucks. Finally do you have a video or blog post with your recommendations for sleeping bag systems that go great in swags? (Bonus points if they zip together). Cheers and keep up the great work Ben and team

[@SnowysOutdoors]

We've answered this a fair amount on on website through customer questions @Riley, its actually really difficult to recommend on over the other. We often say its abit like Holden v Ford. The Darche canvas is slightly thicker, but aside from this, they have near-identical design, shape, mattress thickness and features. Darche has the reputation for being "the best", however 23Zero are also top notch, and are quickly becoming as popular, or more popular than Darche. In terms of the 1100 size, this is 110cm, or King Single size. Its definitely not a 2 person swag, unless you really really like each other and are happy to touch ALOT. We've recently run through Sleep Systems for Sea to Summit covering Hiking, Camping & 4WD/Touring so keep an eye out for those coming soon. ~ Lauren

[@conservativesniperhunter7439]

I like these swags more than the Adventure Kings Big Daddy range because they don’t sag in the center section of the swag like the Big Daddy swags do . I hope that in the future 23 Zero make these type of swag a foot or so higher , it would make it more comfortable for when getting dressed and sitting upright.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Good feedback thanks, Conservative Sniper Hunter, 23Zero always seem to be innovating and looking to expand their range, maybe you'll see something like you mention in a future model. ~ Ben

[@TasHikingAdventures]

bro havent you seen the pool noodle to support the middle lol i hate this design im a person who needs space so yeah fuck this looks like a ciffin but on a stand lol

[@atgrints]

Great review thanks champ!

[@SnowysOutdoors]

I'm glad it was useful. ~ Ben

[@joe-ig7sz]

Hi Ben, would you be able to fit a big with you in the 900? Or would it be best to go for the 1100? Also, how well do these swags roll down in terms of their overall size after packing up? Cheers

[@SnowysOutdoors]

I reckon that unless you are short and have room at the foot or head end, you'd be best going for the 1100 size if you want to have a bag inside the tent, Joe. As for pack size, they are in line with most dome style swags with the length packed being the same as the width when setup, and about 45-50cm in diameter. ~ Ben

[@joe-ig7sz]

@@SnowysOutdoors Thanks for that, I think ill opt for the 1100 after all 👍. Look like great swags, cant wait to get back out there and test them out!

[@muzzleflash1]

Hi Ben, could you please tell me if you had all the windows open on a hot summers night near the beach or river, would i get mauled by midgees and sandflys? Because if so, that would be a crap time to find out about it. Cause I assume rubbing insect repellent on the screen may not be good for it.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Hi Muzzle Flash. I can't say for sure whether or not you'll get mauled sorry, midges seem to be able to find their way through almost anything. Given the mesh is made more with durability in mind rather than versatility, and just simply by looking at the mesh, I'd say that it will slow down the rate at which you are mauled, but won't completely protect you. I wouldn't recommend rubbing insect repellant on the fabric as this could have a negative effect on the waterproof properties of the fabric. ~ Ben

[@muzzleflash1]

@@SnowysOutdoors thanks Ben, I appreciate it.

[@MrYeldarb6000]

Hi Snowys, i can't quite tell from the video ... on the 1400 are both ends the same height now? (compared to the dirty dee darche which tapers down) ... or is one side still slightly lower in head height?

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Yes the foot end is lower than the head end, MrYeldarb666, this configuration is the same for all sizes. ~ Ben

[@SteveLShannon]

Great swags! Ive got an ARB double swag and I'm looking for a single ,900cm, swag. They seem very well made.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

These are great swags, HOMEGUY4X4, we've had good feedback on them so far. ~ Ben

[@NasTimeAdventures]

Hi. Can you tell me if there is an option to open this up with one zip or do you have to use two zips every time? That is, can the canvas and flyscreen open together.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

They are independent zippers, NasTime Adventures, you need to open one before the other. In other words, if you have both the mesh and canvas zipped closed, you'll need to operate two zips to be able to enter/exit the swag. ~ Ben

[@NasTimeAdventures]

@@SnowysOutdoors Appreciate the reply. It seems to be a common thing now amongst tents and swags.

[@matthewhill4295]

Hi there, is that a single ridge pole or is it to pieces to straighten the swag out? Thanks for the video

[@SnowysOutdoors]

There are two short ridge poles in each Bandit swag, Matthew. Other swags such as the 23Zero Dual have a single pole though. ~ Ben

[@bgleeson9122]

Quick question - I recently bought the 1100 Bandit and there was a short (maybe 5”) aluminium tube included with the hoop poles (same material) and I have no idea what this is for? Can you advise? Cheers Blake

[@SnowysOutdoors]

I'm pretty sure you would be referring to a pole repair sleeve, Blake. It should slide over the top of the poles and can be used to strengthen a broken section of pole until such point that you can replace it. Hope that clears things up. ~ Ben

[@carmelwhite2871]

Gday ben, are there and swags that you would say have Midgee proof mesh?

[@SnowysOutdoors]

I don't reckon there is any that are 100% midge proof, Carmel, those little blighters get in anywhere they can. The mesh that is midge proof is usually really fine and not as strong which makes it less suitable for use in a swag, even then you'll find that they will get in through the small holes left by the zippers. Insect repellant is probably your best friend when it comes to midges. ~ Ben

[@warrenhaywood8425]

Is the 1100 suitable for a stretcher and if so what would you recommend, one that moves the least.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

The 1100 is abit wider that most stretchers, so you'll have some overhang. Best option would be the Oztent Rs-1 stretcher which is the widest one I know of. ~ Lauren

[@dianeclemmer1344]

The 1100 or 1400, but I want to be up? Stretchers?

[@dieselsse9233]

How thick is the canvas in regards to sunlight block-out?

[@SnowysOutdoors]

It's a pretty heavy duty canvas, Diesel, 400gsm to be precise. It blocks out most of the light. ~ Ben

[@dieselsse9233]

@@SnowysOutdoors Perfect. Thanks.

[@vaughanguan4165]

I didnt season my outbreak 1550 and I had a very unpleasant evening so not sure about not needing to be seasoned....

[@SnowysOutdoors]

If swags are seam sealed and waterproofed we assume they don't need seasoning, but it is best practice and we know that some of these newer swags do still benefit form seasoning. I think light showers would probably be ok, but it would be best practise to season on the safe side. ~ Lauren

[@richieleat]

Hey mate, just received our swags from you guys today. With the bandit, there was an extra little pole around 15cm long and just slightly bigger in diameter than the curved poles. Are these needed? The swags set up perfectly without them, just wanted to check before getting rid of it. Cheers

[@SnowysOutdoors]

It's a repair sleeve, Richie, hold onto it. If you happen to damage one of the poles, you can slide this over the top of the broken section so you can still use the poles until such point that you can get it repaired. ~ Ben

[@richieleat]

@@SnowysOutdoors thanks Ben, I’ll put them in the peg bags, then tell my wife she was right!!!

[@dalesim7551]

Can u do a review in the segmented fly?

[@SnowysOutdoors]

We've noted this, Dale, it was actually on out to do list at a 4WD show but ran out of time. I can't give you any time frames sorry, but we'll do the review as soon as we can. ~ Ben

[@muzzleflash1]

@@SnowysOutdoors Hi Ben my 1400 bandit arrived, then I also ordered the fly, I was looking for an air matress, but I was wondering if I should just get a 2nd 50cm matress to put in it, I am not sure if I should do that or get some foam flooring. What do you think mate?

[@SnowysOutdoors]

@@muzzleflash1personal preference I reckon, and it may come down to budget too. A second 50mm mattress might be a bit much bulk. If you find the included mattress needs a little more padding you could throw a couple closed-cell foam mats under the existing, two if these side by side will give you good coverage without too much extra bulk - www.snowys.com.au/camp-mat-large. Personally, I'd be upgrading to a good self-inflating mattress like the Zempire Monstamat or Exped Megamat, but this is a more expensive exercise. ~ Ben

[@RoyTheKing241]

Have they changed the design? This video says 65cm high for the 900, website says 85cm base to ridgepole, and it looks like the ceiling is pretty much ridgepole night

[@SnowysOutdoors]

It varies across the swag, the 85 cm is roughly the measurement to the exterior high point of the middle hoop, but internally at the head end the height is about 65 cm. ~ Ben

[@RoyTheKing241]

@@SnowysOutdoors cheers Ben. Is this the same for the 1100? Ideally I want to be able to sit up. Was the 65cm from the top of the mattress or floor?

[@SnowysOutdoors]

@@RoyTheKing241 the height is about the same for each model I reckon, although I don't have any set up to check directly for you sorry. If there is a difference, it wouldn't be much. 65 cm is from the top of the mattress, but this is a rough measurement, it can change a bit depending on how it is set up. I'd say you will be short of space to sit up in any of these, swags generally are not made with sitting space in mind. ~ Ben

[@RoyTheKing241]

@@SnowysOutdoors Thanks Ben, do you guys stock anything with more head height? I really like the design/function of the 23zero.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

@@RoyTheKing241 I don't really know of any that allow for sitting space. The 23Zero Outbreak might be the only one I can think of, but it's more like a tent than a swag. ~ Ben

[@ipwnism]

I really can decide between the dirty dee or bandit

[@SnowysOutdoors]

There isn't much between them, justriff azm8, I can't recommend one over the other sorry. ~ Ben

[@noelyeo4557]

Is there a stretcher to fit the 23 zero 1100.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

The 23Zero Husky stretcher is a good match. Generally you want your swag to overhang the stretcher slightly, especially if you're expecting rain or frosty mornings, etc so you don't get moisture trapped between the swag base and the stretcher fabric. ~ Lauren

[@jerryrubinek8905]

Do you sell kulkyne swags

[@SnowysOutdoors]

We don't sorry, they produce and sell their own brand. ~ Ben

[@kateharrison9347]

Can anyone comment on whether 23zero bandit 1400 or darche dirty dee 1400 are the cream of the crop of couples swags? Thanks so much! :)

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Are you asking about those two brands generally @Kate Harrison, or compared to each other? They're both up there in terms of quality options on the market, but we feel like its abit of a Holden Vs Ford type question! The Darche canvas is slightly thicker, but aside from this, they have near-identical design, shape, mattress thickness and features. Darche has the reputation for being "the best", however 23Zero are also top notch, and are quickly becoming as popular, or more popular than Darche. ~ Lauren

[@kateharrison9347]

@@SnowysOutdoors thanks so much for your reply. I meant more about which one is the absolute best out of the two, but I hear you on the Holden v Ford comparison haha I’m most interested in which will be best in wet weather, I saw that 23zero have additional reinforcement in the seals which made me think it could be slightly ahead of darche, notwithstanding darche has a thicker ripstop canvas it would seem it’s higher quality in general but maybe for wet weather the 23 zero is better?

[@SnowysOutdoors]

@@kateharrison9347 they're honestly a much of a muchness. Both swags have additional seam sealing/seam tape, and both are generally recommended to be seasoned before first use. The lower windows on the Darche model only velcro shut as opposed to zipping, and the 23Zero has a more protective awning flap on the head and foot windows, but other than that rain performance would be on par. 23 Zero do do a Segmental Swag fly which would work on both models and would be a great addition is you intend to be camping in the rain alot! ~ Lauren

[@maxt7525]

Really torn between this one and the Darche Dirty Dee.....both have their benefits. So hard hmmmm

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Tough call, @Max T. I couldn't recommend one over the other, they are both well made and reliable swags. The Darche model has been around a little longer, 23Zero comes with a thicker mattress, slightly different window configurations on the ends from memory, but you're really splitting hairs choosing between the two. ~ Ben

[@blackers10]

I went with the Bandit 1100 as I felt the zippered side windows etc were more substantial and likely outlast the Velcro on the Darche Dirty Dee. The gusset windows on the ends also gives that inclement weather protection from that inevitable sideways rain haha.

[@maxt7525]

@@SnowysOutdoors Thanks Ben, you’re a legend 😃🙌🇦🇺

[@w.bridges9118]

We're are these made at

[@SnowysOutdoors]

I believe componentry comes from a few different countries, but 23Zero is an Australian company, primarily manufactured in China. ~ Lauren

[@MegaRich7]

I think you’ve got you head and foot end mixed up.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Hmmmm, all looks ok to me, Richard. The head end has openable mesh and canvas panels whereas the foot end has a fixed mesh band with an openable canvas storm flap. Am I missing something? ~ Ben

[@waratahdavid696]

They are a nice concept. But the stitching is garbage. 3 months old and already in for repairs. Canvas guy said the stiching is just shit. Also said that mesh and eyelets have short lifespan. He asked " will you be using it often?" "Yeah" "Were going to get to know each other well then" To they're credit 23zero are paying for repairs under warranty, but the future is looking bleak.

[@SnowysOutdoors]

Thanks for the feedback, Waratah David, hopefully 23Zero are keeping an eye on feedback like this. ~ Ben