SNP Leader demands vote to oust Speaker after Gaza ceasefire vote fiasco

[@johnhodgetts2111]

This bs excuse is even worse than his original ruling.

[@milsub59]

he is full of bs

[@LeoRikimaru]

It wasn't so long ago that people would voluntarily resign over far lesser errors, intentional or otherwise. It was considered the honorable thing to do.

[@leeshepherd6512]

Honour went out the window with Brexit and Boris

[@gammakeraulophon]

There wouldn't be anyone left on the Conservative front benches should they all have honourably resigned.

[@mrmensa1096]

Shame he doesn't have a 'Duty of Care' for the people of the UK !!!

[@Smiffy830]

Here,here. That's the primary concern, Israel & Palestine will still be at it long after we are gone

[@Jimak1954]

None of them do, unless you are an illegal immigrant.

[@reesnoble955]

The safety of politicians from terror attacks is paramount. Unfortunately,the indigenous British public don’t have the same privilege. We can not,and are not protected by the police,who would rather protect the protesters who violate OUR rights and lives. This is BRITAIN today,and for the foreseeable future.

[@DrMontague]

Those who gave bojo a landslide victory didn't have a duty of care to those who are now suffering under this regime

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

​@@reesnoble955are you a tory!,the right to protest is ingrained throughout democracy ffs

[@Spyhook]

"Pick up the phone and find an MP has been murdered!" WTF? The guy is a joke! Bring back Bercow!

[@martinwebb1681]

Do you not remember MP Sir David Amess? Murdered at Leigh on Sea, stabbed more than 20 times. Also MP Jo Cox, she was murdered, shot and stabbed multiple times. The only joke is people like you.

[@1KJO]

Bercow was there last night, wearing a wig . . . . take a closer look at Madame Deputy Speaker

[@scorpioninpink]

Bercow retired after he got tired of the Brexit debacle.

[@TheMarioExpertMan]

That's the first one to leave

[@r35tores4nity]

Speaker doesn't realise that giving in to a threat just creates greater and more frequent threats going forward. When will we learn?

[@sergiodbd]

Exactly this 😤

[@stephenholmes1036]

Well said.

[@Spyhook]

There was no threat.

[@1KJO]

You can't appease a bully, a terrorist, or a suicide murderer. When you give in, he'll want more, and more, and more. Just stop Hoyle.

[@Gary-le7dz]

Spyhook there was unless you know more than Mi5 and counter terror police maybe you do 🤡

[@duckseverywhere8119]

If Hoyle was fearful of politicians safety, that's a job for MI5 and/or the police. He made a political decision based on fears of repercussions outside the house which aren't his responsibility. The fact he believes he has a 'duty of care' in a literal sense for every MP here is ridiculous.

[@buddhistsympathizer1136]

Yes. I was thinking the same thing. At what stage do we allow terrorists to subvert democracy?

[@enemystand2981]

@@buddhistsympathizer1136that’s an interesting question. I think that question honestly cements Hoyle as indefensibly in the wrong here if I’m honest.

[@boxtradums0073]

He kicks out Scottish MP’s for telling the truth while he bends over and assumes the position for the tories and Labour

[@merkvandermeulen3978]

@@buddhistsympathizer1136 Don't want to be rude, but by the looks of things political around Westminster, the UK doesn't need terrorists to destroy democracy, as it seems to get taken apart, bit by bit, from within. Looking in from the outside, I'm not optimistic.

[@EdgyNumber1]

​@@boxtradums0073 The SNP pulled their little stunt to cause infighting in the Labour party. Labour wanted a more detailed amendment. SNP using an important situation to play political games whilst people in Gaza are dying. Disgusting play by SNP.

[@peetsnort]

NOW YOU KNOW WHY LOBBYING MUST BE OUTLAWED

[@gothicgolem2947]

Why? Then people could not try get their MPs to express their views or MPs could not ask the gov to do stuff

[@cyborgchimpy]

@@gothicgolem2947 by giving them money?

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@cyborgchimpy lobbying is just asking someone to do something. Paid lobbying is when your given money to ask them. And I think what your describing is bribery

[@cyborgchimpy]

@@gothicgolem2947 ding ding ding. bribery with extra steps?

[@peetsnort]

@@gothicgolem2947 I'm not talking about people and you knowing.its the Israeli lobbying..

[@ronocko]

So taken at face value, theres death threats been issued to MP's if they dont vote a particular way in this matter? So who are these people who are allowed to shut down UK parliament with threats and when will they be arrested.

[@ashleycarvell7221]

I think he's talking about stuff like sending a letter to an MP saying something like "You're implicit in the murder of innocents in Gaza. Judgement is coming for you sooner than you think.". MP's having fires started outside their house etc. I think what he's saying, is that it looks really dodgy at face value if he denies Labour the ability to discuss their amendment. People will see an SNP motion tabled instead and think 'hey the SNP are smaller than Labour, this is clearly a stitch-up to stop there being support for a ceasefire'. I don't agree with that stance, but a portion of society will buy into that. And which person do you think would be receiving the most death threats for doing that? Mr Speaker of course

[@justmyopinion526]

His words to me were more about his feelings and I do not think that is the job description? He was swayed with his own feelings and that is a massive fail.

[@stephenholmes1036]

Well put , Mr Hoyle should resign

[@merkvandermeulen3978]

His deputy on the other hand, is excellent! No bias whatsoever...

[@justmyopinion526]

even so he could not intervene :/@@merkvandermeulen3978

[@justmyopinion526]

@@merkvandermeulen3978 then where was he?

[@stephenholmes1036]

@merkvandermeulen3978 i am a independent free thinker and despair of our Politicians regardless of rosette

[@Emerald-1]

he's been briefed on what to say, a different lie today

[@NormTessTearoe]

Are you kidding me terrorism stopped him? Codswollop.

[@jabberjaw84]

Honestly it's looking like 'desperate times' for the Speaker

[@therichieboy]

What was it then, and where's the evidence?

[@adamstanford2549]

About a couple of thousand antisemites with Palestine flags outside

[@stopthetories]

When the hard left are trying to terrorise people to behave a certain way, that’s terrorism.

[@boxtradums0073]

Remember when he kicked out an SNP MP for telling the truth citing convention

[@stephenholmes1036]

Mr Hoyle sadly got this badly wrong and im afraid this was a step to far and i hope Mr Hoyle is honourable enough to stand down.

[@1KJO]

Not looking that way at the mo.

[@Knapweed]

What is the connection between security issues and swapping the votes around?

[@closethedoornow7538]

Muslims making threats via social media

[@roberthorne9597]

Don't know he won't tell us... judge jury executioner.

[@lumiere930]

Starmer has whipped his MPs to not vote on any other party's legislation so Startmer apparently told the speaker that his Labour MPs will abstain from the SNP legislation which means they might get death threats like they did when they abstained a month or two ago. The speaker then decided to put Labour's amendment in with the vote to give Labour MPs a chance to vote on their amendment which also calls for a ceasefire but with different words and then no death threats for anyone. So this boils down to stupid politics and a system that does not create any meaningful change

[@MrDesmondPot]

Labour would’ve required their MPs to reject the SNP motion as it leaves no wriggle room for Israel to lie about what they are doing. It would have meant Labour MPs voting against a ceasefire… because Starmer is in the pocket.

[@julieyates405]

​@@lumiere930That's how I understand it. Let's see if this vote gets delayed, by who for how long, and what is going on in Gaza in the meantime.

[@glasgownative81]

Why would an MP go to the speaker about threats instead of the police. His basic defence is " I made the decision I made because of a threat which I can't talk about" I call BS

[@donleslie3402]

Because the police are incompetent

[@callum9999]

Sounds very much like "if loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right"... The scary part is how many people will just lap it up. "He says he was scared for people's safety? Oh, that makes it perfectly fine to stamp on the SNP and give his own party a get-out-of-jail-free card". He can be as sorry as he likes, he explicitly ignored the advice he was given NOT to do this, he was explicitly told that what he "didn't realise would happen" would be likely to happen and the damage is now done. An emergency debate does nothing to fix it.

[@Mogwai786]

Thing is, I doubt very much people's safety is an issue. They've repeatedly demonised the pro-Palestinian protesters.

[@theghostoftom]

​@@matthewhiatt3862Grow up. The issue was a demand for immediate ceasefire and condemnation of Israel for mass punishment. That neither Labour nor Tory party whips will back that is a problem THEY should explain. Because cutting off food, water and power to 2 million people for months is mass punishment and the people starving today need a ceasefire months ago. So which is it. Do they think it's ok to sell weapons to war criminals? Do they think mass starvation is justified? Or do they like all the cash the Israeli government is handing them too much to lift a finger?

[@boxtradums0073]

@@matthewhiatt3862what and the speaker saving Labour from resignations isn’t ‘party politics’ ? I seem to remember the fascist fool kicking out and suspending an SNP MP for telling the truth while he protects liars everyday. Englis.h nationalist fas,cist

[@duncanlgeoghegan6333]

@@matthewhiatt3862 Whether you're a Tory, Labour or SNP, it kind of doesn't matter at this point. Ask yourself, do these people represent you, really? Labour gets in, the Tories complain, the Tories get in, Labour complains. It's a distraction.

[@eoghangreene5728]

The party politics in this instance was displayed by the speaker of the house

[@NekkidWatchmaker]

Did Hoyle get death threats from mossad? Didn’t he visit Israel and walk around with the idf after oct7 ? Seems like a conflict of interest to me. If this war has taught me anything is how to spot a liar. Time to go mate

[@rattywilliams1297]

Our politicians are a JOKE 😂😂😂

[@binky_bun]

I thought jokes were supposed to be funny. Being a clown takes talent and passion. If Westminster is like a comedy show it's one where the drunk hecklers have over run the stage, shouted a bunch of barely coherent racist comments down the mic, puked all over the front row, shat themselves and fallen asleep. Thousands of people are being murdered and all they can think about is themselves. It's shameful.

[@nikmak]

Needs to be sacked, never mind resigning.

[@rogerwilson6367]

Listening to Hoyle is like an episode of Wallace and Gromit.

[@mikeellis4345]

So the reasans Mr Speaker has given for his actions were simply to protect parliamentarians from various threats .. he could have done that in so many other ways other than what he did. Poorly done. He must resign. There is no other option now.

[@a1990hussain]

Non-excuse. How did overriding the SNP motion reduce any "risk" he alleges of here?

[@enemystand2981]

I think the mental gymnastics is that if that many Labour voters were abstaining, it’d paint the (accurate) picture that Labour don’t want to condemn IDF and vote for a ceasefire. For this reason Hoyle broke precedent and gave Labour an amendment despite them not being in opposition this session. This was to diminish public perception that Labour weren’t voting on a ceasefire by wording it in a more neutral way that would leave Starmer less susceptible to anti semitism smearing that we saw with Corbyn

[@0saintclark0]

​@@enemystand2981but that's for the Labour party to figure out, not him.

[@duncanlgeoghegan6333]

@@enemystand2981 what an absolute joke the government has become. I truly hope they are tried for complicity and the British people get their country back.

[@Robert.S459]

@@enemystand2981 That is the most sensible comment made here. However, it does not help the people of Palistine. By the time there is a ceasefire Palistine will be a barren wasteland.

[@kewanali2054]

​​@@enemystand2981nicely explained more or less sums up what happened and why. Such matters cannot go ignored and not facillitated regardless of his apology. Its a matter of humanity

[@wilcox1231]

sick of Hoyle continually apologising for his mistake. It is not a mistake when he deliberately went against the advice of his advisors and the rules of the house. He needs to do the honorable thing and resign.

[@po72644]

Have you ever gone against someone else's advice thinking it's the right thing to do? I think we're feeding into cancel culture here. We shouldn't demand that someone is fired everytime they make a mistake.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

His disingenuous fake apology makes it worse. Sickening how he is conflating a different issue as an excuse. He's fooling no one. Disgusted.

[@tonyatthebeach]

cry harder

[@Smiffy830]

Honorable? What is Honorable ? People using food banks, can't afford to live, criminal gangs using our children as weapons to kill other kids with knives & be there personal prostitutes, perfectly innocent post office clerks going through turmoil to save the face of the rich. Honorable doesn't come in to it.

[@robeagleR]

@@po72644 its called Accountability for actions, not Cancel Culture. If you do something wrong you either fix what you did ( Which the Speaker did not, he simply said sorry- he did not fix the problem and allow the SNP Vote.) Therefore, he should resign.

[@danmayberry1185]

Had Hoyle suspended the session out of duty of care, rather than allowing it to collapse, things would look different today.

[@Minorheadlines]

exactly, I think his response today was a weak one when compared to his actions

[@awwasson]

No it wouldn’t. There would have been the some uproar. Someone would have been looking to make a political points scoring out of it.

[@philmckay9973]

it looks like the leader of the next government applied significant pressure on him

[@adamstanford2549]

@@philmckay9973 Because he's scared of the Islamic mobs

[@fang_xianfu]

In what way would the SNP being upset about their opposition day being supposedly ruined, be solved by having their opposition day completely suspended?

[@Mogwai786]

Israel protected once again at Westminster. Very disturbing how SNP's 'collective punishment' motion was cut down by abandoning parliamentary precedent.

[@SlowhandGreg]

"collective punishment " is a legal term under the Geneva convention it needs deliberating via a court. any human rights lawyer knows that Trampling over international protocol to score a cheap point because no one else could vote for it with that wording in

[@tompearce3610]

Most people agree that there is collective punishment but it's a strict legal term and judged in a court not a parliament. The motion could have avoided that wording and still conveyed the sentiment. Labour's motion covers the West Bank as well so it is actually better for the Palestinians. If the SNP wanted a ceasefire motion to be passed then that happened. If at least part of the SNP motion was to split Labour then it failed. There are reasons the SNP didn't engage for cross party support and released the motion wording so late.

[@harleyb7880]

It's because Israel are in charge.

[@harleyb7880]

​@@SlowhandGreg Please don't defend the speakers nonsense

[@davidhaaijema4521]

Muslims protected again by leftists who rather live in their fantasy world and bathe in their own virtue than actually listen to what the Muslims themselves will proudly admit.

[@dotty1774]

If there was a referendum for the North of England to join Scotland I would glady vote for for it.

[@ScottishRoss27]

Interesting, how does free tuition, prescriptions, no water bills, no road/bridge tolls, council tax freeze, free baby box and scottish child payment tempt you?

[@fullovstars9447]

Same here

[@kdog3908]

I'd want to hear how an independent Scotland would pay for itself before i'd even start thinking about all that.

[@petrolhead0387]

​@@ScottishRoss27 I'm Cumbrian and my gran is Scottish (Aberlour lass), I have often asked her if she regrets living this side of the border, she said she loves where she lives, but wishes that Hadrian's wall was a little lower down 😂. I do agree with her in many ways as well.

[@AstonVilla-o8q]

Crazy statement

[@davidwilson5073]

the tories and decency do not go together

[@Alter_Ion]

Hoyle is quite possibly the worst speaker I've ever seen. He's a soft touch and should never have been allowed in to the position he holds.

[@chucky2316]

That chubby scotch guy that was always asleep was worse

[@rachelhoward334]

He was chosen for a reason, and it wasn't in our interest.

[@daftdigital]

"A a oder oder"

[@carlarthur4442]

Personally I never liked John Bercow either .

[@Spyhook]

Plus he's hardly ever there! BBB Bring Back Bercow!

[@SS-hr8cg]

your duty of care does not take precedence over democracy or the democratic process.

[@johnw29]

Poor excuse from Hoyle. He's equating protest with terrorism. Shameful.

[@jabberjaw84]

He's just making up whatever shitting excuse he can find as a cover for messing up our democratic system. Is he saying Kier Starmer terrorised him??!

[@therichieboy]

Tell me more. Do you know that he's lying about the threats?

[@JohnParking-j2u]

its full of terrorists them marches

[@johncorrigan2942]

We know why and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH a duty of care, that's simply BS. @@therichieboy

[@SMoggyinski]

That's an incredibly naive comment. One MP has already been murdered by Islamists (in addition to Jo Cox's murder by Brextremists) and there are sadly plenty more out there. If you think they wouldn't love to exploit what's currently happening in Gaza you are living on a different planet.

[@petergoodrum1607]

Squirming........ Disgraceful

[@GF_MF]

If the speaker does not resign, then it's not only the Tories who have disdain for Scotland, it's also the speaker of the house who is supposed to be unbiased. This will cost Labour in Scotland.

[@SlowhandGreg]

They asked for a ceasefire vote they got one wording on these things is very important the SNP motion needed correcting "collective punishment " is a legal term under the Geneva convention it needs deliberating via a court.

[@GF_MF]

@@SlowhandGreg Doesn't change the actions the speaker took, he should resign as others have for the same thing.

[@SlowhandGreg]

@@GF_MF Why? We all know the language used was deliberate to points score not help the Palestinians. What sort of cheap piece of Crap would do that over a humanitarian crisis?

[@WaterShowsProd]

The ends do not justify the means. You may want to brush up on your Machiavelli. @@SlowhandGreg

[@raybede]

What a load of tosh. Hoyle has tried to be even handed throughout his tern of Office. Sadly coming out with the usual paranoid line about poor old downtrodden Scotland won't wash. The SNP might be better looking to put the disaster they have created in Scotland right.

[@doomey22a]

If he was truly concerned about the safety of the house he should have suspended the session. The irony, however, of concerns for safety given the subject of what was to be debated (the slaughter in Gaza) just makes it even more farcical.

[@gillianbrown8502]

Hoyle’s father is a founder of the Labour Friends of Israel. Hoyle and Starmer are also members of the Labour Friends of Israel. Hoyle failed to be independent and allowed Starmer to put in a watered down motion that did not include any reference to collective punishment - a war crime - that was included in the SNP motion. The idea that up to 100 Labour MPs could vote for this motion was unpalatable to both of them. If the speaker thought fair debate on the motion was going to directly lead to attacks on MPs, he should have said so and suspended the debate. Israel seems to have so many friends in parliament. Sadly, the Palestinians have very few friends, which is why 30,000 of them have been killed and the UK continues to sell Israel arms and provide diplomatic cover for Israel’s actions.

[@paulfildes5489]

The Israel Gravy Train thrives on people being unaware that it exists. It is time to lift the lid on its corrosive impact on British politics and on those who make our laws. Write to your MP challenging them to stop engaging with CFI and LFI. as they only exist to build parliamentary support for the State of Israel and Zionism - the colonial project to ethnically cleanse Palestine, replacing them with white European and other Jewish settlers. The impact of these groups is pernicious, securing the loyalty of UK MPs to Israel through all-expenses-paid visits, serving as go-betweens for the Israeli embassy and influencing debates and votes in both Houses of Parliament.@@gillianbrown8502

[@kumarj4693]

​@@gillianbrown8502 Well said. Problem is, these politicians know they will face no real consequences for their criminality. Everyone is going to forget the genocide of Palestinian civilians, women and children in 2 years time. Every westerner will forget how their politicians were complicit with the European Zionist Nazis in a year's time after the genocide of Gazans is done and finished. The royals have played this game for centuries now. Nothing will change.

[@zamzamahmed8139]

​@@gillianbrown8502wow did no these facts about the speaker. He looks so normal working class done good guy. I found out from another comment that He is the son of an MP that was a founder of labour friends of israel. He is also part of labour friends of Israel. The motion by SNP that he collapsed was going to criticise izzys gino side...so he collapsed it??? And now he is implying that muslims and anti war people are ter *** rists that he has collapsed a motion against his friends to safeguard the safety of mps???? Which MPs??? Can he name them??? Labour colleagues i suppose??? Why not leave that to police??? So many questions???

[@brucecurtis6281]

@@gillianbrown8502spot on, Gillian, I’ve posted the same, before I read yours, but all, true

[@JamieAllan]

If Hoyle had not listened to the leader of the opposition he wouldn't be in this position.

[@MrDeadhead1952]

That's yet to be proved.

[@MattPlaysWithHimself]

That’s entirely missing the point.

[@I_am_Spartacus]

What a dumb and in factual comment... what you going to say next he was influenced by Santa whilst riding a unicorn.

[@goodmusicneverdies1998]

​@MrDeadhead1952 Far as i'm concerned, he's either corrupt or incompetent.

[@Smiffy830]

Just adding fuel to a inferno, Gaza, Israel conflict has been going on since 1948, nigh on 80 years, what Stephen Flynn thinks a vote in our house of commons will do to stop it is beyond me. Mordaunt is using it as a tool to attack Labour to weaken there uprising in the electorate. Starmer waffles & we are left with the same shit, high mortgages,low pay, extortionate cost of food & energy and criminals taking over our streets. This is not the time for pathetic squabbling like kids , it's time to do the right thing by the people of Britain.

[@DavidR_192]

How did he turn concerns over an unprecedented, terrible decision, into a speech about caring about MPs safety and the Police?

[@shahbazs6705]

Regardless of his intentions he's demonstrated that he makes decisions on emotions, which makes him incompetent and unfit for the job. See ya!

[@shahbazs6705]

@matthewhiatt3862 you know Stephen flynn has a different job to lindsay right?? Is he a threat to foreign policy, is that why you don't like him?

[@shahbazs6705]

@matthewhiatt3862 I pointed out that hoyle has a different job to Flynn, you seemed to ignore that bit. Hey ho. Have a good day old chap.

[@sunny96789]

We need to know exactly what was discussed between Starmer/Labour MPs and the speaker in full. Doesn't sound convincing at all. Starmer knew he would lose 100 MPs if the SNP vote was chosen yesterday. Also can you imagine if the PM had did what he did yesterday and got his way? Pure hypocrisy

[@jabberjaw84]

What's he on about terrorism?? Straight out of the Israel play book - has he blamed it on Hamas yet??

[@kpax45]

I blame it on Hamas. They started this whole thing!!!

[@martinhill9261]

I dont believe a word the speaker is saying.Hes now being over emotive hoping people will forgive him.

[@Dragoon91786]

🙄 Fear mongering as a defense. Not particularly relevant nor a good look, Mr. Speaker. While I admit to not having any skin in this game as a Yank, I find it amusing that Parliament would risk undermining it's fundamental structure over auch a contentious matter, and on a opposition day fkr what is effectively, Scotland.

[@gordonstoddart6886]

Spot on engurlunderds play the nationalist card ignoring 30k deaths

[@ChicagoDB]

To contend that he made a decision to ignores the rules due to some vague threat…is entirely reprehensible. So Parliament and the public should just be prepared for the rules and proper actions to be ignored any time that some mob or crazy poses a threat of some kind? Pathetic excuse, Mr. Hoyle!

[@boxtradums0073]

Funny how when an actual threat like the I.R.A was around it never interfered with legislation

[@MrsGardiner]

@@boxtradums0073 And neither did Britain flatten Ireland or NI because of it.

[@boxtradums0073]

@@MrsGardiner yeah I make that point all the time too. The Americans would have had a very different view on that.

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

@@boxtradums0073 🤔 Indeed so, when the IRA set off a bomb at the Grand Hotel in Brighton which nearly killed the British prime minister and several members of her government. But no overreaction from parliament at such an event.

[@paulineknowles40]

The house is finished. God help the citizens. We no longer have a democracy 😢

[@chucky2316]

We haven't had for decades

[@LoneSheWolf09]

@@chucky2316just took the words right out my mouth. That’s long buried.

[@Mrpatientbear]

lol, cept you've been sitting while Sunac (WHO WAS UN-ELECTED), destroys the UK, that's what you get when your priorities are to reward bankers.

[@weyoun6535]

Party politics has never been a democracy, it’s designed to serve the system and maintain an illusion of freedom to keep the public from rising up against the rich.

[@blazzz13]

@paulineknowles40 Did you think this when May was going to ignore parliament to trigger article 50 or when Boris lied week in week out that there were no piss ups in no 10?

[@craigstewart6073]

He needs to fall on his sword at this point and leave.

[@ScottishRoss27]

Another SNP Opposition Day Debate as compensation for thwarting the democratic rights of Scotland & its elected representatives.

[@vanhooler358]

Not you again, i thought your b/s was gone.

[@danmayberry1185]

It's a bit of "take your kid to work" isn't it. Only when the kid gets there, he's to wait in the car park. Penny's lofty dismissal of Stephen did my head in.

[@simonjess8471]

SNP caused this nonsense on purpose. You are just joining in with the faux indignation. That was the second prize. Lindsay Hoyle denied them the first prize, which was to get a vote on a carefully worded motion designed to be awkward and split the main parties. Not to unite on a really important world issue. Nasty people.

[@ScottishRoss27]

@@danmayberry1185 Minister for Clickbate Penny's hole stick is talking Scotland down every week as her youtube channel proves

[@scottyfive4319]

@@simonjess8471 Another gutless Englishman with ZERO understanding of very recent history or even what really went on yesterday.

[@jamesmulrooney3309]

Stephan is the only honest mp left, the mps should vote on whether to sack the speaker otherwise its not democracy

[@shaneselfe6506]

no there are a few good MPs who actually care about the people who they work for unlike most MPs who only want power and money and its a pity people didnt look more closely and see who they are actually voting for

[@kalvindeane1]

Unfortunately many of the honest MPs in parliament have resigned in recent years, and their replacements lack that level of honour.

[@Saoirse_don_Phalaistín]

Like a gaslighting abuser, the speaker goes 'im doing this cause i love you and its for your own good.'

[@zamzamahmed8139]

Thank you listening to him i felt unwell and uncomfortable. I wasn't getting why it made feel weird listening to his words. I could feel the uncensirity of his voice but was not sure why his words bothered me. Now i now. He is equating protesters and pro pal lestinians with terr**rism. Wow real gaslighting!!!

[@karlkerr7348]

So will potential amendments always be curtailed if perceived threats occur externally!!??

[@ljt3084]

This without a doubt will push Scotland further towards independence. They just got stonewalled out of a serious debate in Westminster.

[@RBTVN]

Quite right too.

[@abrit-scot]

No chance.. as a Scotsman we are NOT giving up on the Union. Why should we? Our fathers and grandfathers fought side by side in the 1st & 2nd Wars. I personally and lots of my countrymen and women will never support Hamas. If you want a ceasefire then tell Hamas to release the innocent Jews that they have not already murdered and then maybe Israel will talk AGAIN about a ceasefire but it is up to them and not any other country to tell Israel what they should do.

[@judahsimulundu5176]

​@@abrit-scotare you a Zionist

[@shadowboxer3583]

@@abrit-scot That's not enough for me. Independance now. We want out of British wars ASAP

[@manivallipalli4527]

If the 'honorably' Elected house speaker can't keep he's honour... It would be honourable of him to stand down!

[@karlkerr7348]

Labour leader needs investigating

[@Sdakouls3]

Because of a Tory-appointed speaker? Get a grip.

[@hyderally8045]

​@Sdakouls3 they're both on the same boat, both receiving money from isteal.

[@scoobydoostu3130]

How gracious that Penny Mordaunt has ordained to the needs of the "Minority parties" SNP is a Majority in Scotland and the union is meant to be a union of equals, all this shows is the complete contempt and disdain Westminster has for Scotland and its representatives

[@thecuriousguy1473]

Not to mention I'm suspicious about the amount of seats Labour got in Scotland because the snp is still popular and Labour is just trying to smear them

[@zahraali3480]

SNP leader has a valid point.He is right.

[@lesley-annemclelland857]

So let me see if I have this right. Hoyle screwed over the SNP on one of only three opposition day debates they have per parliamentary session because some MP's had gone to him saying they were facing threats against themselves or their families. I have three questions here. Did any of these MP's go to the police with these claims first? If they did not then why not? Why did Starmer say 'thank you' to Hoyle as he left the chamber yesterday? The very fact that Starmer thanked Hoyle for allowing the Labour ammendment to go ahead tells me that there was definately some collusion between Starmer and Hoyle before the decision was made by Hoyle to allow the Labour ammendment.

[@SI-vb7hd]

Well said Stephen

[@davidbayley3109]

So its mob rule then, when his decision is based on unspecified threats, which he then bows to. His duty of care is just cowardice.

[@Frankie-fg9mk]

I’m sorry what was his decision? He decided ceasefire in Gaza or not ?

[@brucecurtis6281]

@@Frankie-fg9mkhe decided the voice of the Scottish people is to be silenced, decided to back starmer, decided to bow to violent threats from who knows where.

[@Frankie-fg9mk]

@@brucecurtis6281 but what was the voice of the Scottish people , what did they vote for and what did he decide then ?

[@petemcphee2]

Hoyle must go and Starmer must apologise for his interference and scheming.

[@catherinemartin6258]

Are you having a laugh do you remember the last house speaker after all the stunts he pulled never got kicked out. but yet he has to go over this 🤔,hypocrisy

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

Your information about Starmer is what? What is that source and is it independent and independently verified, or do you prefer roomers that confirm preconceived ideas?

[@davidmcculloch8490]

What the speaker said at the end was alarming. It also showed the urgent need to clean up politics and to learn tolerance. The longer parliament continues as a house of lies with inadequate methods of redress; the longer that blame is shifted and innocent people are targeted, in misdirection, as an excuse; the longer that common enemies are created through rhetoric; then the risk of fuelling hatred - and even the threat of violence - seems inevitable. To make matters worse, we have an oligarch media, largely owned by non-UK tax payers, spouting hatred and shifting blame. There is no defence for putting politicians in physical danger. Yet with divisive rhetoric that fuels hatred, anger is understandable and even inevitable.

[@geoffpoole483]

Empty words I'm afraid. After Jo Cox's murder in 2016 there was talk of "there's more that unites us than divides us" but those sentiments didn't last long; hence last night's farce.

[@vincentvangogh8092]

has to improve the chances of an independent Scotland it confirmed what the SNP has claimed for years

[@pwimbledon]

Hmm, certainly not manufactured outrage then, right?

[@brucecurtis6281]

⁠@@pwimbledonactually, no, the SNP represent 70% of Scottish constituents, and we voted them to express our views in Westminster. We, the Scots, were gagged. By English politicians, again. This is not petty politics. This is an affront to democracy,

[@pwimbledon]

​@@brucecurtis6281 Yet they stormed out like kids, when their trap for Labour failed. This is pure political posturing. They could have stayed in the room, and vote for a ceasefire, but they didn't. As it turned out, the SNP motion passed anyway, with amendments. They needed a wedge issue - as they see Labour support eating into their own. They were trying to disrupt the Labour party, and that was so important to them, that doing so took priority over voting for a ceasefire. Crying about abnormal house procedure - procedure which isn't actually against the rules, is explicitly petty politics. Especially when you take into account the context of the vote. That said, none of this has any bearing on whether there will be a ceasefire, or not. One could argue that it's all performative political posturing.

[@pwimbledon]

@@brucecurtis6281 The SNP represent 47% of voters, in Holyrood. Not sure where you're getting 70% from.

[@nikmak]

Hoyle using terrorism as an excuse for protecting terrorism.

[@supacamoo]

💯💯🎯🎯

[@df6957]

The house voted unanimously for a ceasefire. Or was that not what the SNP wanted? 🤔

[@bengilkes7676]

@@df6957 The SNP want to actually condem Israel for collective punishment, and to go on record as voting for it. Is that what happened?

[@jake751]

Love Steven flynn he's an excellent leader. I wish i could vote snp.

[@lesleywallace2354]

He laid a trap and it back fired ! Can we please remember WHY they are supposed to be voting

[@mihangelap-williams9871]

Sorry the SMP are lost a lot of credibility in my eyes from a Welsh independent supporter

[@furyiv]

Why?

[@carolberry2239]

yes why? theyre the only ones with integrity

[@ianwright389]

We must stand with the SNP, help them push for independence and after gain independence for Wales. Cymru am byth 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@sebv1086]

@@carolberry2239 Integrity? Using the plight of the people in Gaza to score cheap political points!

[@mihangelap-williams9871]

@@ianwright389 bullux. You think the SNP will give a crap about us when they get what they want. No they won't..they will use us till they get what they want. This Gaza thing proved that to me at least. Fu CK them

[@onx99]

He should be fired for "gross misconduct".

[@mr.coolmug3181]

Hoyle is allowing ostensible outside pressure to influence the tradition and procedure of the House. He has a duty to be impartial. His position is untenable.

[@Sdakouls3]

There is no evidence to support that assertion.

[@archiemcberry7102]

The Speaker was showing his loyalty to Sir Keir. Those not supporting Sir Keir are on the way out.

[@mr.coolmug3181]

@@Sdakouls3 he said himself that he was told MPs were being threatened. That was his entire excuse for breaking procedure.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

Deputy speaker needs to go as well

[@Straightedgefish]

@@Sdakouls3 ​​⁠show us the evidence to the contrary, that he made his decision in good faith and with impartiality. Anyone with a fully functioning brain can tell Hoyle voted with the intent keeping the Labour leader happy and was manipulated as such.

[@laurateaho-white9654]

Scottish independence now

[@Woke_White_Woman]

I am on Team SNP The Speaker was never up to the job from Day One

[@fmyouthdev]

They let all the people into the country, so bearing the fruits of their actions.

[@FRM101]

He's actually making it worse by saying the House of Commons can be affected by threats from thugs and terrorists.

[@elasticsoldier0257]

Starmer also has a lot to answer for.

[@RBTVN]

More and more every day!

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

😠 Indeed he does, including his destruction of the former Labour Party and then fronting for certain domestic and foreign interests . . . as in the Labour Friends of . . . 😡!

[@shayed9930]

Time for speaker to sod off.

[@Frankie-fg9mk]

Can you please explain me what the decision was ?

[@shayed9930]

@@Frankie-fg9mk Corruption.

[@Frankie-fg9mk]

@@shayed9930 understand but how ? Did he decide ceasefire without observing the votings of the party’s?

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

@@Frankie-fg9mk 🤔 The Labour Party motion was passed nem con, without a vote, as it was the only choice on the table. Completely unacceptable and a denial of parliamentary rights on behalf of the Scottish National Party.

[@nemosays6337]

They are trying to make themselves above the people and that's why the people are angry!

[@WhoOneIs]

No matter how much Hoyle cries and wails his pitiful apologies, he cannot shake off the impression that he is Starmer’s puppet.

[@migueldelaguardia]

Boy how far they have fallen😂

[@harpo7226]

He knows if he is forced to leave his place in the House of Lords goes with it. He needs to go. Starmer also needs to go.

[@maxstotto3594]

Nice to have pals in high places! Regards

[@stuartwalker121]

Imagine Churchill bowing down to imagined or perceived threats... where would we be?

[@MT-kx2uc]

Funny you should say that. Irgun (Jewish terrorists) threatened to kill Churchill while stealing land and murdering British soldiers and civil servants. Fact.

[@MozD]

Whenever I hear Penny Mordaunt speak I expect her to break out into the "Fight! Fight! Fight!" speech. I'm a child, I know it, but still hold out hope she'll give it one.

[@pinghosh]

more than voting for a new Speaker, I suggest whole of UK parliamentarians should reboot to save your country and culture.

[@MrAkhalif]

Speakers on your bike lad n resign

[@KizzieWiz]

Stop whinging! Do your job Hoyle! RESIGN NOW!

[@d.a.b8756]

He acts like he’s in charge 😂

[@MrSupertom09]

He was scared of upsetting Labour, point blank. Keir Starmer strongarmed him

[@user-ca3sp7er1h]

It's not so long ago hoyle kicked Ian Blackford out of the House of Commons for calling Boris Johnson a liar .... Get him out !!!

[@mcribprime6594]

As a Scottish citizen, I have never ever agreed with the SNP, until now. The speaker must go he not impartial, he’s no unbiased he must go!!

[@pippipster6767]

Servant of the House … handsomely paid 💰💰

[@hmblogs1684]

Western media and western countries 👇🏻 2:12 Al-Baqara And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers." Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not. And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him, Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not. Allah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doings to wander blindly. These are they who have purchased error for guidance, so their commerce was profitless. And they were not guided. They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).

[@westonharley1580]

Lots of SNP fans out there today. Sad to see just how hopeless our politicians are,and at all levels too!

[@andybyrne50]

This is filled with SNP voters comments today and you can tell a general election is coming,when they are trying to heap crap all over the biggest threat to them ! What makes me laugh is,most on here agree with them . The power of the Tory press in this country is frightening and will probably lead to another 5 years of them in government !

[@suestewart-g4f]

It’s not just schools that should be looking at a phone ban !!

[@mg4mg281]

Little USA/England never was a democracy - so what to expect here?!?

[@stalyirmangin6249]

Better. We expect better.

[@Spencerlayne]

If there ever was an oppotunity for the snp to go for a vote to leave its now. I firmly believe that scotland would thrive with out england.

[@paulfarley8023]

😂

[@aesopshair6690]

There are plenty of people in England wishing their own MP's had a shred of morality that SNP appear to be displaying - the Scottish are not the only ones sick of Westminster shenanigans!

[@charlieking6718]

Now now behave children

[@christopherhitchens163]

4:40 that laugh 💀💀💀

[@paulroberts7429]

Mr speaker going overboard on this motion, he did Labour's bidding on the ceasefire motion and political wording to stop Starmer vs his party, the speaker's position is simple he did something that had never been done before and he did it knowing full well from the clerks it was wrong, he should go.

[@pippipster6767]

Mooster Spooker 😂

[@kevycanavan]

The house unanimously voted for a ceasefire. Must have been something else they were after.

[@JCL-n7y]

With conditions that were not in the SNP motion and so weakened it.

[@chucky2316]

Cheap labour

[@mattyneary7223]

No the voted for a "humanitarian pause"

[@Pemmont107]

​​​@@chucky2316The SNP deliberately forged these circumstances to catch Labour out and pull the party apart. If they truly wished for a ceasefire, they would've voted for it no matter who's amendment it was.

[@justinburgard4700]

No they just factually didn't....

[@tonymurphy2624]

Such a liar. Easily the worst speaker in my memory.

[@sgb6476]

They’re giving in to the mob, Starmer made him feel fearful

[@Hodor_de_Clare]

Don't let a total lack of evidence beyond one BBC journalist mouthing off and hearsay get in the way of you talking rubbish about what Starmer did or didn't do.

[@sgb6476]

@@Hodor_de_Clare I don’t follow the bbc, biased rubbish, Starmer is not going to be a good prime minister, unfortunately at the moment there isn’t anyone, they’re all too interested in themselves that’s why it’s chaos

[@sgb6476]

When Starmer says urged you don’t know at what degree that was, the speaker shouldn’t have pandered to him but starmer did say he’d urged him so something obviously went on.

[@Hodor_de_Clare]

@@sgb6476 You don't know either. It's just brazen speculation that fits your otherwise baseless narrative.

[@sgb6476]

@@Hodor_de_Clare meow, sure, we’ll see

[@helenmiddlemas5075]

He is one of the worst 'speakers' the house has ever seen.

[@jamesrowe3606]

The argument that the House rules should be fiddled with because some MPs have caused such deep offense to a section of the public that they are under heavy criticism (some of it no doubt unlawful) is bunk. The Speaker's job is not to facilitate a whitewash "for the protection of Members". It's to ensure that the Standing Orders of the House are applied equitably, even when it's inconvevient to the Government, Official Opposition and backbench Member of all Parties and none. He ignored the advice of the Clerks, who are steeped in constitutional law, parliamentary rules and long-established protocols. He didn't heed that sound advice, his position in untenable and he needs to go. Lord Carrington resigned without being asked to and with no culpability when Argentina invaded the Falklands. He did it out of a sense of honour. Do the honourable thing Mr Speaker. You ARE to blame and your apology is empty because you made it clear you wouldn't hesitate to do it again "to protect" Members from threats of, or actual, violence.

[@wivory81]

Absolute nonsense spouted by Hoyle to cover up his riding roughshod over Parliamentary procedures, something he is charged with ensuring is followed at all times. He needs to do the right thing and resign.😊

[@ol_zoolicious]

This is absolutely sickening - "I didn't think we should debate it in case there was a riot/attack" is absolutely not how these decisions should be made (especially when those fears are made up)