Chaos as MPs turn on Speaker over last minute change to Gaza ceasefire vote

[@redscouse8568]

The whole place is an embarrassment.

[@andrewdavies8954]

the Speaker certainly is

[@luminousfractal420]

its abhorent. a bunch of psychopathic schoolkids playing theatre. all very hunger games. which youd expect from a eugenicist system.

[@James-bc1jk]

It's all fake you don't have a choice you are just a small piece in a big game and you don't control nothing

[@-mattm]

You need to watch the us congress in session (That's a complete circus)

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

It's fascinating! Such a move hasn't been seen for 2 decades. Are you watching closely? The curtain has been pulled back to inadvertently show how much control the Israel Lobby has on British politics.

[@MrGrantSloan]

A disgusting example of how politics, is run in the UK.

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

You've missed the point. Such a move hasn't been seen for 2 decades. Are you watching closely? The curtain has been pulled back to inadvertently show how much control the Israel Lobby has on British politics.

[@bruce4130]

😂

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

Starmer has admitted speaking with Israeli President Isaac Herzog before lobbying the Speaker of the House who is the son of a founder of Labour Friends of Israel. It's as clear as day. 'British', my arse SMH

[@imranb4985]

It’s amazing how someone can lose their honour, dignity and respect in less than 5 mins! The system is an absolute JOKE!

[@michaelcoward1902]

5 minutes? Hoyle has been proving himself to be a third rate clown since 2019.

[@julielunn7916]

Well said !

[@starmersbarber]

I haven't seen anything with Hoyle worth respecting for quite some time. He has been a huge part of the problem in there. A pathetic individual.

[@abapaper7416]

He never had any the mask just came off he’s weak and always has been

[@elizabethbeattie6488]

Johnson ran rings round him from day one

[@lesterdsouza7662]

There's only one thing outdated here!

[@DhariaLurie]

...The Creator has opened wide heaven’s gate on the eve of the great disaster "Singing Aloud for You I sing aloud for you So you will not be lost amid danger I awaken your memory from long ago So you will see hope for life Heaven, Earth, and Gods are made by the Creator Who commanded Gods to make humans on earth When lives dropped down, they became human Eliminating sin, they’ll return to heaven What I am singing is the truth The Creator has opened wide heaven’s gate on the eve of the great disaster October 15, 2014" Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin IV, from Falun Dafa teachings)

[@HarryNicholl-z4n]

Bercrow was an idiot this is a buffoon unbelievable eejit a load of crap bring back Marshall law rid these clowns

[@zadebasil3033]

Yes, the entirety of Parliament.

[@GreatHealer.]

Amen!

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

You've missed the point. Such a move hasn't been seen for 2 decades. Are you watching closely? The curtain has been pulled back to inadvertently show how much control the Israel Lobby has on British politics.

[@Red-px1fr]

They're preparing to vote on a situation where tens of thousands of people have been killed and they behave like they're in a schoolyard. Appalling people. Imagine having so little respect.

[@AJCavalier]

The country’s gone to shit. Why do they squabble over something abroad when we have problems of our own here. Gaza is non of the UKs business; both Israel and Hamas are in the wrong, if they themselves cared so much about ‘peace’ and stopping the violence, they would- they would just stop fighting.

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

Don't forget the insidious nature of who is really pulling the strings here. Starmer has admitted speaking with Israeli President Isaac Herzog before lobbying the Speaker of the House who is the son of a founder of Labour Friends of Israel. It's as clear as day. Disgraceful.

[@legshakermaker1968]

I couldn't agree more. All the outrage from our parliamentarians had nothing to do with the people dying every day in this horrendous conflict. They were angry because the were frustrated in their attempts to score cheap political points by exploiting the misery of thousands of people.

[@commandert5]

I really liked Hoyle when he was elected. But he has proved himself time and time again unable to contain a government running rampant over the rights of parliament and is now himself trampling backbencher's rights. Whatever happened to the backbencher's backstop?!

[@AnotherLostBall]

How do you suggest he should control the government? The system is certainly not perfect but it sort of works if all sides follow the “rules” and have some honour.

[@alanbarker2279]

@@AnotherLostBall What he has done here is to stop the Tories from blocking Labour's amendment of an SNP motion - far more democratic than allowing them to sneakily block Labour's amendment by submitting their own which by precedent ousts Labour's.

[@stevenajack]

​@@alanbarker2279 Exactly, we are back to the arguments some put forward about more democracy somehow being undemocratic, the SNP have been playing cynical games with a very serious life and death topic. It's pathetic, if they really cared about debate and about the house of commons having it's say they would welcome this as democrats!

[@Carl-tc2yb]

His powers ate limited. The (His)tories know their time is limited abd are causing as much chaos as possible to rob the taxpayer blind.

[@djdilxxx5659]

Payrolled by Israelis

[@wivory81]

He should have done the honourable thing when he was letting Johnson get away with lying, and resigned. The worst Speaker I can recall since PM questions was televised.

[@galleon1968]

yeahwe got wallace and grommit after Bercow the slimy toad. God help us all!

[@TriumInfinitum]

Bercow the Cucked ?

[@obscurazone]

What are the bets, that the SNP motion contains the word GENOCIDE, and this pathetic drip of a speaker has been TOLD that G.B can NOT have this word on the parliamentary record.

[@lewismcdonald9691]

Labour aren’t happy with the SNP using collective punishment to describe what’s going on in Gaza tells you everything you need to know.

[@tarimastanaka615]

Speaker is right. You don't like it? Thanks for your opinion

[@obscurazone]

@@tarimastanaka615 The Speaker quite literally states "It is my opinion" - and has control of the house regarding tabling motions. So to say that HIS opinion is correct, above mine and anyone else's, is not only moot (no one gets to challenge him) it is also clearly a very poor understanding of how democracy SHOULD operate. There is nothing democratic about a Speaker having the power to arbitrarily remove motions, on a whim, at the last minute. You evidently do not understand this. Re Read what I wrote and hopefully you'll now understand.

[@xThronex]

@@obscurazone I think they're just a genocide denier trying to claim that statements which reflect the actual facts on the ground (ongoing genocide) are to be dismissed out of hand.

[@obscurazone]

@@xThronex Nah. I truly think it's because the SNP motion will literally state the word Genocide in print, and the "establishment" will fundamentally refuse to have this word being used formally as a matter of public record. They will NOT want GB associated in any way shape or form with that word - which they are, we sell arms to Israel. So by having this motion denied, GB wrings its hands, again. It is wiped off the public record, and no one can say GB did/did not vote for or against GENOCIDE. It's all PR, plain and simple.

[@chrissmith7655]

What way to run a country, absolute disgrace.

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

You've missed the point. Such a move hasn't been seen for 2 decades. Are you watching closely? The curtain has been pulled back to inadvertently show how much control the Israel Lobby has on British politics.

[@DrMontague]

none of these r soles has the welfare of the working class at heart, they are their to line their own pockets and to support Israels genoside

[@pretro6136]

​@@HitchcockTheSnail its not about israel. if it was about israel he could've just said that there would never be ceasefire, and israel would've bribed the rest of the MPs too. this just shows how much control the PM has over the country. he decided before the debate even started, and the debate was just a facade to make it seem like it was the MP's decision

[@markellis796]

Embarrassing, the clowns that run this once great country.

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

We were never great don't kid yourself with patriotic nostalgia

[@mihangelap-williams9871]

Do tell me when it was great. I have looked over the history of Britain and great doesn't pop up well it does in unionist fools

[@mrwpg]

between the colonialism, the invention of concentration camps, funding Hitler, starving India, the Iraq invasion, funding NAZIS in Ukraine and the scamdemic i too struggle to find anything great about Britain...@@mihangelap-williams9871

[@prismpyre7653]

your country was never 'great'- it was an is a horror that promulgates genocide and tyranny and still holds three other nations in bondage

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

You seemed to have missed the point. Such a move hasn't been seen for two decades. Are you watching closely? The curtain has been pulled back to inadvertently show how much control the Israel Lobby has on British politics.

[@CatherineCoughlan-c1o]

My god Mr bercow is badly missed , this wet dish cloth of a speaker is a shambles

[@springchicken893]

No need to be rude.

[@derekferguson385]

@@springchicken893not rude enough!!!

[@TheValeyard92]

​​@@springchicken893Hoyle is a useless sack of sh*t. As long as he gets his warm milk and his peerage, he'll let absolutely anything the ruling party says or does slide.

[@tomcurtis907]

But no one does anything we just complain and then vote the next shower of 💩 in. There’s nothing we can do or want to it seems

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

You have clearly forgotten what a dreadful Speaker Bercow was.

[@emmajk7433]

Today was the day for the SNP ... To see this is scandalous

[@iainmacintyre5718]

This is exactly why Scotland needs to get separation from this joke of a govt and Union

[@berniv7375]

Scotland needs it's independence. We have so much to offer the international community.☮

[@vinycrimbo8692]

Hopefully with Nicola running the show!!!!

[@ErinStephanie-mf2qk]

England effectively dissolved the union ages ago. It’s just Scotland didn’t receive the memo. England are like a partner that has walked out, taken everything, leaving Scotland having to be the party, that has to put up with the expense and trauma of filing for divorce.

[@aclark903]

@@ErinStephanie-mf2qkHoyle isn’t really anti Scottish, just desperate to help Kier in any way possible. Kier totally shat on him. Kier is the one that needs to lose his job but now Hoyle has disgraced himself & needs to go too.

[@James-st9uu]

Yeah true, Scotland need independence from the UK to truly understand their own gender identity. Apparently thats the most pressing issue to the scottish people right now accoriding the socttish parliament.

[@Risingtide930]

What is the point of opposition day debates, if the government in cahoots with the speaker can rig a debate if they don’t like what is proposed. Not only is the House of Lords obsolete but all the procedures and processes in the Commons need to be scrapped as well.

[@personperson.7744]

It’s not even the government. It’s Labour

[@TBakerXD]

The government are the ones booing this decision, it stops them from preventing Labour from being involved in the discussion

[@svresh]

No its the Government also. Their amendments prevent other opposition amendments being considered, e.g. Green, Labour AND Libdem. Makes no sense to not allow a full range of debate IMO. @@personperson.7744

[@maicka4417]

It sounds like the Tories have tried to use their ammendment to block the SNP motion. Hoyle has then allowed labour to forward a second amendment which reverses the Tory ammendment and returns the motion to something very similar to what the SNP initially put forward... so why are you crying?

[@personperson.7744]

@@maicka4417 no, Labour have moved one to challenge the SNP one. The SNP one has been discarded in favour of the Labour one despite it being an SNP opposition day

[@wolfinstedd]

Once general election is done , this speaker is gone , thank god

[@personperson.7744]

Will he be? That will only happen if he resigns as speaker or loses his seat, which for a speaker is very hard

[@TBakerXD]

You know he's originally a Labour MP, right?

[@randomdaveUK]

I thought they had a fixed term?

[@FlaviadaRocha-c5m]

No@@randomdaveUK

[@randomdaveUK]

@@FlaviadaRocha-c5m oh ok 👍 So after the election they choose or keep the speaker

[@winopunk7720]

Has there ever been a worse speaker of the house?

[@C.D.Romulus]

Ever been to America?😂

[@Shybairnsgetnowt1]

Tell me, has there?

[@AnthonyD-yy2in]

@@C.D.Romulus America is full of mental cases... 🤣🤣😂

[@toneoyay1]

Yeah Michael Martin

[@davidfoster2006]

Yes John Bercow.

[@nomad6737]

Obvious that someone behind the scenes is benefiting from the conflict and doesn't want to stop the bloodshed

[@alexanderdcossey9146]

You honestly think if this had passed it would have made any difference to the bombing?

[@DigitalRageInc]

both main partys are in deep

[@chriswilde7246]

More like Israel won't take any notice anyway, they couldn't care less what we think or say. Prehaps that's what our lot are concerned about.

[@chriswilde7246]

​@alexanderdcossey9146 I'm with you alexander, it won't make any difference. Infact we are probably the last nation Israel will listen to.

[@chriswilde7246]

@@DigitalRageInc totally.

[@donttrip8282]

The right honourable chocolate teapot at his meltiest!

[@johnrobertson6302]

Surely he has now set the precedent that the 2 largest opposition parties to bring their own separate amendments for any motion brought to the House.

[@TheConnorian]

This is a good thing tbh. The idea that the government can block one of the opposition parties by submitting its own amendment is bad for politics and just empowers those in power more.

[@LEThavFUNnSMILE]

T​@@TheConnorian The current system where two main parties largely control parliament can be problematic, as it can sometimes lead to the interests of smaller groups or diverse perspectives being overlooked and at times the smaller parties will represent the majority position like with thr vote for a cease fire

[@nickb1211]

The anger seems to be from the SNP and Tories. Precedent seems to be that only the government can suggest an amendment ... Or at any rate that only two would be tabled. This would force a 'you are for a ceasefire' as the SNP have it in their motion or the Conservatives amendment. SNP have said they would back the Labour amendment, so it's unclear practically what the issue is. Hoyle is going against precedent, perhaps under pressure to his Speakership, but if the Tories or SNP are objecting on grounds other than the principle of precedent then it seems disingenuous to argue you are against further debate/nuance on the issue.

[@TheConnorian]

​@@LEThavFUNnSMILE Yes, which is why I don't think any more power should be ceded to whomever is in government. This change takes a tiny bit of that power away and empowers both opposition parties to be able to submit amendments to other opposition party motions without the government blocking them by merely submitting their own amendment.

[@johnwade1095]

That dwarf.

[@MC-zr6gc]

Nobody brings eggs and tomatoes to debates anymore, and that's just sad

[@mauranolan843]

Hahaha.

[@MC-zr6gc]

@@mauranolan843 it would at LEAST make listening to some mumbly, mealy mouthed, self important, old fart, SOMEWHAT entertaining, if not bearable. 🥚 🍅

[@amayastrata4629]

Not fair for the cleaning crew.

[@felixdim3977]

They can use their shoes!!!!

[@eileenahern-ku9nx]

How long were they bringing the eggs? It's ok I have a fair idea.

[@joeidaho5938]

So damn corrupt.

[@tomtheeagle1]

As Hoyle can't even get any of these clowns to actually answer a question when asked, it is not a surprise that he now makes up his own new rules as he sees fit and just to suit the leaders of the two main parties.

[@BozalliCopter]

I see this comment constantly on this channel, about "why doesn't Hoyle make the PM answer the question in PMQs".... that's not part of his role there, and for good reason

[@personperson.7744]

Isn’t what he’s doing helping smaller parties?

[@tomtheeagle1]

@@BozalliCopterIt is in his power to compel an answer to a question, especially if he suspects the reply is dishonest. That is a fact.

[@mobsiesixsixsix9785]

@@personperson.7744 Not at all, no. Didn't you understand what just happened?

[@personperson.7744]

@@mobsiesixsixsix9785 sorry, I think I misunderstood, I’ve just had a look and it is clear that it will make smaller parties harder to be heard. Sorry for the confusion

[@Leornianæfre]

Postman Pat has no spine and is an absolute embarrassment to the country. Shame on him

[@susangavaghan]

This is appalling. They now change the rules when it suits them.

[@petemcphee2]

How can Hoyle call for Order after he trashed the neutrality of the Speakers chair? RESIGN!

[@leslievincent20]

Yes the House of Commons looks really concerned and heart broken about Gaza.

[@hephaestion12]

Quite! Have no idea what all this bollocks has bearing on any actual policy?

[@fredneecher1746]

The Commons is wasting its - and our - time even considering Gaza. It's none of their business. Their job is to take care of Britain.

[@ShotByAScot]

Oh look, England telling Scotland to get back in its box again. That Union of equals sure works funny doesn’t it! 🙄

[@Britishrailwaystories]

Absolute disgrace of the highest order. Shame.

[@jakesummers1174]

why

[@firstlast-tf3fq]

It’s a disgrace that MPs are being able to vote on two options rather than just the government being able to block things arbitrarily?

[@BozalliCopter]

tell us why you feel it is a "disgrace"

[@TBakerXD]

Do you actually know what it is that you're commenting on?

[@Britishrailwaystories]

@@BozalliCopter I think it’s a way to obfuscate the debate and make it impossible to vote for a ceasefire. That’s my personal view. If this precedent was being made on virtually any other vote,I’d have welcomed the change in precedent. Doing it today will likely split votes and make both of them fail. Which is wrong.

[@Aiden_Graham]

Britain out of Ireland, Scotland out of Britain! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪

[@stevenredpath9332]

Did I hear correctly? Did the speaker of the House of Commons say that a procedure is archaic? Surely not in a place where they by going into two rooms to get counted or remain outside the rooms for every vote.

[@jeanbartrum2773]

No matter what the result is Netenyahu will do what he wants unless we stop funding them and sending arms

[@jeanbartrum2773]

Meanwhile people are starving and dying and hostages are still held ...ceasefire now stop playing games with peoples lives

[@SynphamyMusic]

He reads like i used to do in school when the teacher asked us to read a part of a book out loud and you just want to get it over with... "Harry pointed his wand at smsmsm and spoke the word levismsmsm", chaotically tumbling over certain words rather than actually saying them.

[@LouisaGraves-pk1qw]

I noticed that. Like he was being forced to say them. Already, really hope that I'm wrong, sounds like the absolute beginning of psychological or even neuro-logical disorder.

[@SynphamyMusic]

@@LouisaGraves-pk1qw I doubt its a medical problem. It just sounds like a common clumsy way of speaking when you're rushing or nervous. Ricky Gervais does it sometimes too where he kinda mumbles at the end of a sentence like he's skipping a minor detail.

[@munchuriancandidate]

This guys is national embarrassment

[@eddjordan2399]

he is a stooge

[@jakesummers1174]

Why

[@Shybairnsgetnowt1]

Yes why?

[@AnotherLostBall]

Absolutely …. Why?!

[@roberthindle5146]

Why, oh why?

[@chrislee8126]

History is going to judge us very negatively over the issue of Gaza.

[@maureensummers8212]

I'm sorry to see that the speaker of the house has given in to kier Starmer fter it would appear by one member who said that ,Starmer was shouting at the speaker in a private room. Oh dear I think that the speaker has caused a terrible mistake.

[@julieyates405]

Disgraceful!

[@ru76224]

What an inept individual..

[@TheStalec]

How?

[@ru76224]

@@TheStalec Rarely has control of the room, often laughed at, threatens to remove people, rarely does.. _How is he not?_

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

You've missed the point. Such a move hasn't been seen for 2 decades. Are you watching closely? The curtain has been pulled back to inadvertently show how much control the Israel Lobby has on British politics.

[@LouisaGraves-pk1qw]

​@@HitchcockTheSnailAgreed. All are puppets of bigger factors.

[@demaciasolos]

@@ru76224Just like you.

[@janetgough6585]

Apparently opposition and democracy are now outdated

[@kityhawk2000]

It's an opposition amendment he's allowing. Did you even bother to look at what was going on before commenting?

[@patriciaallan]

Democracy died a long time ago corruption rules.

[@janetgough6585]

@@kityhawk2000 perhaps you believe an opposition amendment that the speaker doesn't like has nothing to do with democracy?

[@awwasson]

@@kityhawk2000most people on here have no clue what has happened. They are just looking at something to get mad about.

[@Mr-Foad]

Outdated sums up westminster, the royals and the united kingdom of food banks... Once Sco, Ni and Wales leave the uk; English people need to close this clown show down... they desrve better than this too.

[@a1990hussain]

Israel's lobbyists have dirt on him, i bet

[@gilbertnellis4840]

So this is Britain today! How embarrassing!

[@AJCavalier]

Says you. Has there ever been a period in which you would be happy to call yourself British, before I’m guessing you think that everything Britain has ever done is evil, racist, imperialist, etc…

[@demaciasolos]

Not at all, child. Let the Middle East handle their own issues.

[@gilbertnellis4840]

History shows us that they are not allowed to due to constant meddling by the west in their affairs. Read some history on the subject old man!

[@BAR-kt3lf]

Always amazes me that this lot actually think the rest of the world gives a toss what they think!!

[@alexanderewing3779]

He makes the Tories look competent. The whole place needs reforming!

[@alanbrown9178]

No chance of that happening... it would spoil tory/labour passing the ball back and forth every few years and then blaming their predecessors.....

[@SharmanSomerset]

Hoyle has to be centre of attention, doesn’t he? How I wish Betty Boothroyd was still with us

[@colmhealy8173]

War Criminals the lot of them 😢

[@MontyCantsin5]

Not all of them, no.

[@iainfletcher3066]

don't be ridiculous

[@MT-kx2uc]

Yeah only some of them. That's OK then....

[@AJCavalier]

You liberals always revert to name calling: 1. By definition no they’re not 2. Even if they were, so what 3. Just because you don’t like them, doesn’t mean that they’re racist, transphobic, ableist, war criminals…etc

[@liamoconlocha3264]

The man has no authority

[@starmersbarber]

And has had no authority for quite some time. He is useless.

[@AsadAli-lz1mm]

Corruption, bullying, blackmail. NEW LABOUR IS BACK BABY!!!

[@MrGrantSloan]

He can't wait to get on to that HoL gravy train.

[@MichaelShawcross]

I think the Speaker's decision prevented a vote on the issue of "collective punishment" which would have led to a huge Labour backbench rebellion and an embarrassment to Keir Starmer. Or am I wrong?

[@SamBeck6090]

and this is how our country is run, no wonder nothing changes for the better.

[@bernarddodd9788]

The lack of seriousness is appalling as thousands are dying. Just a shameful ego theatre.

[@celticsole7542]

The only REAL opposition 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@James-bc1jk]

Yeah Scotland has nothing to sing about lol

[@iainmunro438]

@@James-bc1jkand the Westminster government has of course. 😂

[@James-bc1jk]

@@iainmunro438 no politicians have there all scum they don't work for us they fill there own pockets

[@Aiden_Graham]

If it wasn't time to leave now well it definitely is now! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@James-bc1jk]

@@Aiden_Graham you honestly think the Scottish government care about you lol you woman just left before the police could get hold of them text messages you need to wake up no government cares for the people just look around

[@CraicDealer]

It sounds like the cafeteria of a private school. Literally. Just listen to them.

[@roberthindle5146]

Private schools do not have "cafeteria". Dining Halls, yes. Butteries, maybe. Tuck Shops, possibly. But certainly not a cafeteria nor a canteen. That would be gauche. Food is delivered by the dining staff to the table at each sitting. And the only significant sound one might hear would be the muted sneering of boys at the latin pronunciations used during grace.

[@roberthindle5146]

Don't forget that Hoyle himself attended a private school, albeit the poorer of the two in Bolton.

[@prismpyre7653]

you think THATS the problem here??? they should be angry

[@ParcBlondel]

corruption.

[@elbaz860]

Monty Python eat your heart out. This Speaker ignores the Standing Orders and cannot speak without reading (badly) from his notes

[@lindamacro5945]

L-Hoyle needs to resign. He was told that his politics were out of order by the Clerk. Remove him from this job as he is unfit for office. Is he a disgrace to the United Kingdom's Government?

[@WVislandia]

Get a new leader. He has proved time and time again that he is not competent and this personal intervention proves it.

[@jottwarnish]

On what basis? And, he's the speaker not the leader.

[@WVislandia]

Corrected.@@jottwarnish

[@furyiv]

Corrupt

[@laurarader2940]

Easy to see why the Tories supported the submissive Hoyle to replace a much more independent & honorable Speaker.

[@BozalliCopter]

He's just gone very much against what the government wants, so a strange time to raise this point

[@charlierichards5865]

Bercow an independent Speaker in what world?

[@grahamo22]

Sarcasm doesnt work in the written form. Bercow was and is a crooked moron.

[@lewismcdonald9691]

@@BozalliCopternot really now the two main parties now have monopoly on any motion put to parliament

[@TheConnorian]

@@lewismcdonald9691 This is blatantly false. Why shouldn't the second-largest party in Parliament get to put an amendment to an important motion? How is that democratic that the government can block that just by submitting their own?

[@mrwpg]

When the argument is about semantics while people die you know you are in a fascist regime...

[@lellis8816]

When you stand back and listen it sounds like kids disrupting the teacher....the whole sytem is pathetic

[@TheYopogo]

What a repellant, highly improper, and cowardly action.

[@scottstevenson7985]

Pantomime for the Public.

[@terryT-r5o]

In pushing the labour amendment he has watered down the ceasefire proposal. He has caused further loss of confidence in his decision making and he has displayed a cynical disregard for the Palestinian people.

[@Redu3]

... Does anyone actually know what's going on here?

[@TheConnorian]

Tories angry that they couldn't screw over Labour

[@pauls3204]

It was an SNP opposition motion day and they were blatantly kicked into touch by this corrupted speaker I personally could not give a snot about the religious nutters in the Mid East , but we have now a serious problem in parliament when this clod can stop a major party from having its say in the commons .

[@ArsenalTrill]

If the rules dont work, just change the rules...corruption to the highest degree

[@ma-iw2cb]

Absolutely disgraceful

[@johnmccarron]

Sack the Speaker.

[@martindornan1667]

It's the SNP day in Westminster to put forward an opposition motion for debate and vote, the SNP motion asked for a immediate ceasefire in Gaza and in the motion it uses the words "collective punishment". It was reported that Labour was going to vote against or abstain against the SNP ceasefire motion because Keir Starmers Labour doesn't like the words "collective punishment" that is happening to the civilians in Gaza. It's been reported that Labour lent on the Labour Westminster Speaker to change the Westminster convention on how to proceed. The Labour Speaker changed the convention of Westminster that only the SNP motion and the Tory government motion would get debated and voted on. The Labour speaker of Westminster added a Labour amendment to the SNP immediate Gaza ceasefire motion to be debated and voted on. If the Labour amendment is voted through the SNP immediate Gaza ceasefire motion would not be voted on. The Tories pulled their amendment which means that the Labour amendment to the SNP motion will get voted on and will be added to the SNP motion and the SNP motion for an immediate Gaza ceasefire will not be voted on. The Labour amendment to the SNP motion was nodded through because the Tory government said that they wouldn't vote, so there wasn't a vote. No Labour MP can say they voted for a ceasefire. It effectively means that any SNP opposition day at Westminster to put forward SNP motions to be debated and voted on can be hijacked by Labour and the SNP motion wouldn't get voted on. The Westminster Clarks warned Lindsay Hoyle the Westminster speaker not to break with Westminster convention that could effectively deny the SNP a vote on their motion on the SNP opposition day at Westminster. Lindsay Hoyle who was a Labour MP before he became the Speaker of the house of commons who is meant to be unbiased and independent should resign.

[@lightlight5317]

SNP are worthless and do not deserve an opposition day.

[@Sam-sz8fz]

The speakers a disgrace to Lancashire

[@essealants3730]

And that is the final nail in the coffin of a failed and out dated system in its entirity

[@AdastraRecordings]

Oh my days this is embarrassing.

[@kezl3037]

Sounds just like the playground. How much is it we pay these people again?

[@AuldScot1888]

Get back in box Jocks! Union of equals my hairy Scottish arse.

[@JCL-n7y]

This Speaker is a man without honour.

[@TheMarleyboy2]

It kind of makes me ashamed to vote at all, the whole system is outdated and certainly NOT fit for purpose.

[@clair233]

Shame on him.

[@williamgilchrist7113]

We need a new speaker

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

The way he said "Just let me finish" was like a teacher who has lost the control and respect of his class and knows it. Get Hoyle out.

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

😠 As a retired teacher l agree with you. On several occasions l had to intervene when a class became unruly. I had a reputation for discipline that entered the classroom before me . . . No more bad behaviour 😡!

[@nizviz]

Why can't they vote on excessive undisclosed uk deaths, many more than in Gaza.

[@Mrstevemoore]

He can barely string a sentence together. It’s not the first time he has proven that he can barely read out loud.

[@AdrianNelson1507]

What a load of bollocks this all is.

[@russellgray938]

If this is Parliament, dissolve it. These so called MPS are a disgrace. Laughing stock.

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

The curtain has been pulled back to inadvertently show how much control the Israel Lobby has on British politics. Such a move hasn't been seen for 2 decades. Are you watching closely?

[@fredneecher1746]

I don't think it was the Israel lobby! You need to look around you and see who is threatening violence.

[@HitchcockTheSnail]

What are you on about? Starmer has admitted speaking with Israeli President Isaac Herzog before lobbying the Speaker of the House who is the son of a founder of Labour Friends of Israel. It's as clear as day. Once the nutjob Netanyahu has flattened & colonised Gaza, he'll begin on the neighbouring lands. Slowly but surely the Zionists expansionist aims will be obvious and the rest of the world will say no more ad the UK will have lost any credibility it once had. The actions of Starmer, his Zionist wife, the Israeli Jewish Lawyers of Britain (note their choice of American usage not 'solicitors'), the Speaker, they're all complicit and none of them have Britain in mind when they make their decisions. Disgraceful@@fredneecher1746

[@MONSTERTRUCK4009]

Could somebody explain this to me as though I were 7 years old?

[@TheConnorian]

SNP have brought a statement saying they want a ceasefire and want Parliament to back it. Labour want to tweak it to be more about a "lasting ceasefire". The government want to tweak it to say a slightly different ceasefire. Traditionally if the government want to tweak it, then parliament doesn't even get to consider Labour's proposed changes. Hoyle has said that is outdated and says that both should be allowed to be considered. The Tories don't like this because they wanted to be able to tweak it in a way Labour didn't like and say they didn't vote for a ceasefire. The SNP don't like this because they wanted to also see Labour divided over whatever the statement ended up being. Labour like this because they can vote for the ceasefire they believe in.

[@VectorTracker]

@@TheConnorian thanks for the explaination :) . It would seem the game of politics is being played well but for once Labour come out the winners (potentially)

[@bravoalley228]

thank you@@TheConnorian

[@davidharrison4668]

​@@TheConnorianthanks!

[@personperson.7744]

@@VectorTracker it’s good to bare in mind that the SNP were designated to table an amendment today, not Labour I believe

[@dougthompson2598]

This place is a disgrace, outmoded and not fit to govern this country.

[@alistairallen829]

Do away with the lot of them, and put a Swiss style of Government in place, where the people of Switzerland vote in a referendum on all major bills put forward. There is no one party in power or an opposition party, and no Prime Minister. there is one person that heads each department of Government an administrator for Health, Finance, Foreign Affairs, Defense, etc, which they really don't need as they have never been involved in a World War, they are a very smart country, while nations fight they look after their money. Why their format for administering a country, and why it has not been emulated by other countries is beyond me,. It has served the Swiss very well for centuries. Real Democracy. They also had the brains to sign many treaties with the European Union, which gives it many of the advantages and benefits, but without being a full member, and without all the financial charges, like I said they are smart.

[@Deathwish026]

whats inportant is that if all the parties vote cease fire... there still wont be a ceasefire.. they dont give a shit what we think and your a fool if you think they do..

[@GeneralGrievousCIS]

It is still important to express the demand, so as to align with the International Community (helps diplomatic relations) and put pressure on the key backer of Israel they actually will listen to (the US) to change its position. UK abstentions on UNSC ceasefire votes have been the only thing saving the US from total political isolation on this issue. Changing that would somewhat increase already growing domestic pressure on Biden to chance tact, as western allies increasingly express discontent. Netanyahu, in turn, has essentially no choice but to cave if the US changes policy seeing as the US bankrolls the Israeli military to the tune of billions annually and is the only thing protecting them from regional wrath. Nobody thinks the UK demanding a ceasefire would change anything overnight. Hope is that it would contribute in some way to a domino effect.

[@dec4dent]

Could someone explain what the problem is here? It's sometimes hard to cut through the Westminster speak and I'd like to understand the issue. Thanks in advance

[@BozalliCopter]

Government wanted to shut down amendments. Speaker is allowing voting on both the Labour and SNP amendments (which are slightly different in their wording regarding ceasefire), to try and allow different views. Government not pleased

[@dec4dent]

@@BozalliCopter okay thank you. I assumed this benefitted the tories somehow, but I’m taking from it that there’s two chances at the ceasefire motion getting passed with ceasefire as the wording, is that correct?

[@donincognito189]

The SNP are putting forward an Opposition Day Motion worded in a way they think/hope Labour won't support to try to embarass the Labour Party, their main opponent in Scotland. Labour want to put forward an amendment to the SNP motion that they can support. The Tory Party also want to put forward their own amendment to the SNP motion that Labour won't support to embarass the Labour Party, their main opponent in England. A so-called "tradition" in our unwritten constitution says that if the government want to put an amendment to an Opposition Day Motion no other party (i.e. Labour) can put forward their amendment. Hoyle says this isn't a cast-iron tradition and is allowing both Labour and Tory amendments. The SNP and the Tories aren't happy.

[@BozalliCopter]

@@dec4dent as far as I understand, yes

[@DrRussell]

@@donincognito189thank you for this

[@Wendy-nk2de]

We are so desperate for a TOTAL overhaul of our whole political system. I am embarrassed to be British

[@AJCavalier]

Then leave

[@malcolmdavid722]

What about the Palestinian hostages and journalist held captive in Israeli jails for YEARS without charge

[@AA-hg5fk]

Wish we still head John Bercow as speaker.

[@jayr3938]

He is on the Traitors show

[@EileenHall-j9f]

God I so wish him back. This would not have happened on his watch.

[@daviewilson_1]

the swamp needs cleared from top to bottom , while this shit was going on more innocents perished

[@captainbadger1013]

It makes absolutely no difference what the UK thinks on the subject. Israel are going to do what they want regardless.

[@EileenHall-j9f]

That’s not the point, opposing views need to be aired. If you say nothing, you’re complicit.

[@allandickman774]

He should be embarrassed 😮

[@northernlad1397]

They behavior is like kids in a nursery

[@yourgirlme9163]

Unconscionable ineptitude

[@williemacdonald72]

The Bain principle in action, all Labour politicians act against anything proposed by the SNP. The impartiality of the speaker's position only applies to unionist parties.

[@CatherineReilly-h4p]

It's the same with the Tories Wurzel gummage went crying to the queen and then she went and blackmailed Jimmy kranky then she tried to send her grandson and his wife to Scotland to keep Scotland in its place her words not mine and aunt Sally when he was chancellor he and Wurzel gummage told Scotland that they were taking the powers back to Westminster gummage even went as far as saying he didn't like or want anything to do with Scotland that's why he left it months before he could get up the courage to go to Holyrood house and see Jimmy kranky

[@alisdairmclean8605]

Spot on Willie. Labour are as bad as the Tories.

[@equaliser2265]

Where is the democracy here, where are the rules, this is outrageous. God help us,

[@spartacusforlife1508]

Just watched Labour m.p. Sharon Hodgeson speak in the Gaza debate. The fact that not one word she said was written by her but was straight out of Labour central was obvious. Just as obvious as the Labour amendment had nothing to do with concerns over Palestinians but was to stop Labour M.P.'s voting alongside the SNP

[@MrGrantSloan]

Vote Labour, is a vote in supporting the genocide in Palestine.

[@EdgyNumber1]

Ceasefire that lasts until lunchtime.... ....Or a sustained ceasefire that lasts long term... 🤔

[@shaunyweaver1144]

Like Tory MPs have a say on anything, all stealing a wage .

[@spartacusforlife1508]

@@EdgyNumber1 the fact that Israel will take no notice of what parliament decides today is obvious therefore sanctions should be applied just as we did with SOUTH AFRICA.

[@Damn_Cat]

​@@EdgyNumber1 tagging "sustained" onto "ceasefire" is an oxymoron. To cease fire is to stop combat. It by definition should be an end to the conflict. Labour's amendment amounts not to technicality but to word-games and one-upping the proposal from the SNP. They talk about the SNP "not laying out a plan for a sustainable humanitarian ceasefire" in Gaza but don't explain what that even means themselves, nor do they provide a plan themselves other than "Hamas must release hostages first" before a ceasefire can happen which is 1) ridiculous given the circumstances (hostages have been released frequently over the past months and have promptly been executed by IDF snipers and vehicle-mounted turrets), and 2) adds a needless requirement to initiate ceasefire (hostage releasing can be more safely done once ceasefire is declared and agreed upon, which isn't what Labour is suggesting).