SNS 225 Part 1: Headstock & Tailstock Alignment, Starrett Wall Charts

[@Clough42]

Awesome job on the weight loss! It shows. When you announced at the beginning of the year you were starting your journey, I decided it was time for me to do the same. So far, I'm down a little over 50lbs and still going. Thanks for the inspiration!

[@jeff-lindawells7760]

Adam you're soon to be half the man you were. What a great gift to yourself and loved one's. Sharing your journey is an inspiration to all of us who love your passion for life. Long may you live.

[@bcbloc02]

If you double indicated front side and back side of your test bar and it showed that indicator movement going the same way you would know it was an alignment issue with the pointing of the bar and not a taper in the part. You might have fixed one problem and created another when you adjusted it. Belive me from doing the HBM it is super easy to do and to chase your tail for days finding the best averages.

[@Abom79]

Chasing your tail is exactly what you get into here. It’s easy for people to say this or that and what I did wrong, but when you spend half the day trying to get it right, you settle on what you think is good enough. The bed is leveled to the best I can get it, and I turned that test bar to the specs I give you. I don’t see how the headstock alignment can be out that far once the indicator was going down it. Others may think I’m wrong, but this is one of those cases where everyone has an opinion.

[@zedo5851]

Adam the easiest way to dial in the headstock is remove the Chuck get a test bar with the proper taper for the spindle bore about 12 to 18 inches long and mount a dial test indicator to the carriage and sweep it along it and move the head until you get where you like it to be. Do the same to the top of the test bar. It well show you if the ways are worn or not. Checkout Connleys book on rebuilding lots of great information. Cheers Zed

[@jeeprenegade1985]

What about skim cutting a thick wall aluminum pipe, sticking out of the chuck, with a sharp high speed steel tool bit which has a positive rake? Aluminum should cut with little tool pressure and the thick wall pipe shouldn't spring much.

[@paulmanson253]

That shop of yours is a beauty and just getting better and better. Your calm low key delivery,your timing and pacing makes you a natural at this kind of program. No doubt compliments like that make you uncomfortable but watching these is a pleasure. All the best and keep at it.Cheers.

[@StraightThread]

Proud of you, Adam, for focusing on getting your weight under control. You'll be adding years to your life, and your heart will appreciate you lightening its load. You and Abby have a lot of adventures ahead of you.

[@nathanscheele9197]

So glad to see you back in the shop Adam. Thanks again for the great videos, and congratulations on the success your having.

[@ryanr2n2yc]

seriously you are the man! this could not have come at a better time. I was about to head to my shop to try and align my tailstock and decided to see if any new videos were out and poof. the man, the myth, the legend, mr Abom has made the video i needed. thank you sir

[@MrTridac]

Much respect for the ongoing dedication to the weight loss journey. I watch your older videos regularly and it's really impressive what you achieved so far. Keep going.

[@torniaccio]

Hey Adam, it's time for August holidays here in Rome, and we have done the same with our machines. Set up, home made tools, clean and oil works. It's nice to see you doing the same things 😊

[@ron827]

You are looking good and stay hydrated.

[@z06doc86]

Glad to see you back in the shop. Looking good man!

[@sethbracken]

Those little silicone bumpers on the back of the frame to keep it from sliding back and forth is a really nice touch.

[@bigdawgsbusa2]

Great stuff Adam love the wall art she did a nice job with the framing and glad to see you are putting them out and not locked away in some closet I have some of dad's old decimal charts from when he was building motors for hot rods he built over the years he did tile and marble for the eight to five deal and turned wrenches nights and weekends which is how I got my start at a very young age turning wrenches and taking that to a whole new level beyond what he ever figured from fine furniture in the mid eighties to my current machining abilities and the love of building things

[@MichaelJohnson-jt5cu]

Great job Adam, knocking some weight off will make a big difference, I gave up sugar based soft drinks years ago that will help in the weight loss program. ice tea and carbonated water can usually satisfy the liquid refreshments people get accustomed to. When you are young people tend to abuse their health, the older you get you realize you have one body and if you take care of it the better off you are making it to retirement age and beyond.

[@kurtkorenko8943]

Hey Adam! Glad to see the new machining videos coming in and buddy...... you're looking good, and I'm sure you're feeling good as well! Love to see the new projects! Take care Adam!

[@Marcywm42]

I never miss an installment of SNS. You are a natural teacher. Thank you Adam.

[@ThermoNuclearLlama]

Wow Adam, you're looking much slimmer. Well done!

[@jamesstanlake4064]

Very glad to hear you are doing great healthwise and love the content you share.

[@ArcAiN6]

Congratulations on the progress you're making. So happy your doing well, and i look forward to enjoying many more years of watching your awesome videos!

[@johnapel2856]

Way to go on the weight! I have fought my weight all my life. I know it's not easy. Good video on truing the tailstock. Thanks.

[@PenninkJacob]

Congrats on the weight loss! you are so courageous! maximum respect!👍

[@robertevans6481]

Great update on your weight loss...i need to follow your method. Have a great weekend.

[@nashguy207]

Adam I just want to tell you you are looking great. I'M proud of you on your weight loss I know it's not easy also I know the more you lose the slower it will come off. But don't give up. We are pulling for you I know you can do it. Will be praying for you as well. God Bless!!!

[@MaturePatriot]

Adam, another great informative video. Thank you sir. Glad everything is good with you, and your recovery.

[@helicopterjohns]

Hi, Congratulations on your weight loss. You won't regret it. About 14 years ago (age 58) I had a left hip replacement and I was round like a ball. At 5.5 and 235 lbs you could roll me down the sidewalk. My doctor suggested that I lose some (a lot) of weight. I changed my diet and started walking on a daily basis at our local mall. I started out with one mile and over a period of 4 months I worked my way up to 10 miles daily. I lost 40 lbs. in 4 months then I hit a brick wall as far as the weight loss was concerned. I bought a bicycle and started out with one mile a day and worked my way up to 10 miles a day while also walking 10 miles at the mall. In about another month and a half I took an additional 15 lbs off for a total of 55 lbs. My doctor was amazed and pleased. Yep, 10 miles walking and 10 miles riding. After that I felt like a teenager. Ha Ha My doctor told me to grab a 5 lb bag of sugar and take a walk carrying it. You get tired in a hurry. Imagine carrying around 11 each 5 lb bags of sugar all day long. At the start I had high blood pressure and high cholesterol. After losing the weight they both improved dramatically and I was able to decrease my medications. I have been able to keep the weight off for these 14 years. At 72 years of age I am now facing surgery for a new right hip replacement. Can't wait to get it done so I can get back to my retirement fun. i.e. fishing and machining. You and your body will be glad you made the choice to lose some weight. John

[@shawnhuk]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who gets frustrated and laughs at strange anomalies with the lathe alignment. I tried to align my tailstock several months ago and i wound up giving up. I think I’m going to try again with this method. Very nice, Adam.

[@keithhansen3963]

Great vid AB. Good to go over these tricks from time to time.

[@jasonbell5905]

Very nice video, I like those older machines, and you still keep them in the best shape, and you know them very well. Keep up the good work.🇺🇸

[@hartvanmeter214]

Great news on your weight loss and praying your health continues to improve. Good work, bro.

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

Congratulations on your weight loss! Best wishes for continued success! Nice artwork. My lathe needs an alignment check as well- great video.

[@chuckgilbert2035]

Good luck on weight loss. I am on that band wagon now too. Enjoy your videos and hoping they help me restore a Enco 13x 40 lathe damaged in shipping and abandoned.

[@bluehornet6752]

LOVE the wall charts! That lady who framed them did an outstanding job!

[@josephmagedanz4070]

Hi Adam, Your poster framing came out really nice. They must know what they're doing at the framing shop. The posters look great on the wall (in the next episode). You're looking great, too.

[@howarddean8556]

Hi Adam, Just wanted to say I am delighted to hear of the weight loss, you may recall I mentioned the weight a couple of years ago and you told me it was work in progress. Thrilled to see the progress. Keep it up.

[@taiwanluthiers]

I feel I need to add to this. Behind the tailstock where the gears are, there are two more 10mm bolts that needs loosening if you are running out of range of adjustment and needs to pivot the headstock the other way. One is behind the "banjo", the other is behind the main V belts.

[@patricksullivan9951]

Hi Adam, well done, keep knocking those pounds off! You'll soon be buying the next size down! I always enjoy the machine maintenance tips, keep 'em coming!!

[@Streaml1neJMoose]

"The last guy to borrow a tool is in the bottom drawer." Nice.

[@emilgabor88]

I think that the edge bar, or making a test bar si the proper way, because if you use the outside of the tailstock you must first check that the morse taper is exactly in the center of the tailstock . it can be of .

[@TomokosEnterprize]

Great things happening. I sure enjoy these visits. Awesome on your weight goals fella ! WOOHOO ! This is a painful but surely needed process. Thanks a bunch for everything today my friend. Well done !

[@geckoproductions4128]

Adam you look great and you sound great. i hope your surgery recovery is gong well. DO NOT over do it when you go back to work!!! I'm 4 weeks post op now and feeling well, but still a little tender when I move right, still some swelling too. Doc see that's normal. I'm down about 10lb, with 20 more to go. Keep up the good work and don't get discouraged. Not only will you look better you will also feel better.....and you'll live a lot longer. It's a journey brother....hang in there and you'll be glad you did.

[@raglanforge9779]

Fantastic, a nice simple way to set up your tail stock "dead nuts" - what I like is you can check alignment quickly any time, with the chuck in place - nice. Thanks again Alan New Zealand.

[@peternicholson233]

Lean and mean, Adam. Don't be disappointed if your skin doesn't catch up with your mind. Stick with it, you're doing great.

[@jimsvideos7201]

Good on you for framing those charts; they look *good*.

[@youseetime]

Hi Adam, I'm a subscriber of yours from the UK. The diet seems to be working well - you're looking good on it my friend; keep it up, David.

[@Doug_Edwards]

Thanks for the video Adam, it looked like the micrometers you gave me at the first bash were in better condition then the ones you were using until I saw the tenths. Glad to hear you are going back to work I wish you well with your continued recovery progress. I think of you when ever I use those Starrett's you gave me. They mean a lot and I am repaying the favor for those surplus tool I no longer need. Doug

[@johnnyholland8765]

I have been noticing as others have that you are not the same Adam that you were! But that is a GOOD thing. I found out I have type 2 diabeties about ten years ago. I changed my diet and eating habits and lost 40 pounds in about two months. No real diet just changed the way and foods I was eating. Have managed to keep most of it off. I backslide once in a while but get right back to it. Love the charts. My old workplace had them too but it is all gone now. Great simple video of the alignment. I will try it on my old import. It is a train wreck. Till next time......

[@yanwo2359]

I liked the Starrett tool poster. Wouldn't it be fun to have all the actual tools mounted in the same positions.

[@Huskiedrive361]

Congratulations on your weight loss. You'll feel so much better in the long run. Another great SNS. Thanks Adam!

[@SuperAWaC]

heck yeah adam i can definitely see your face is slimming down. good job. keep it up.

[@lawr46]

Congrats on 200K, way to go!

[@edgarburnett2115]

Good job on the weight loss Adam! Keep it up!

[@lodgecav490]

Well done on the weight loss Adam, keep it going. I reckon hunting down that headstock taper would burn up a few pounds!

[@jeffreylewis145]

You got that wrong about moving half the measured error to get the tailstock true. The half rule applies when your movement is going to be doubled by cutting both sides, as in a turning tool cutting all the way around a part. Since you just need two things to align, and one is behind the other by X, you move it up X until they align. This is moving, not cutting. Your clue was that after making the adjustment half the distance of the error, you were only half way there.

[@crockteerden4023]

From what I remember you need to check the level and pressure of the leveling bolts. You can really mess it up if not done right. The beds can be tweaked pretty easily. Check if you can find an install manual

[@campbellmorrison8540]

Love how you got those posters framed, its really important in my opinion. Equally its important to keep that history, it also gives great credence to your life experience.

[@AD4MRick]

Congratulations on your weight loss Adam. I've been losing for about two years now and I'm down 131 lbs. One day we will get together and celebrate. I've got about 100 lbs more to go. R

[@haroldmcfalls6724]

Hey Adam, congratulations on your weight loss. I also had the surgery. I'm down 230 lbs and wouldn't change anything. It was a difficult thing but well worth it. I had a set of those starrett posters years ago also. I still would love to come check out your shop sometime. Let me know man. I live right in Pensacola.

[@Seabee_133]

Awesome progress on your weight loss.

[@seanhazelwood3311]

Our 12" Nardini lathe acts like that. The saddle runs crooked when no load is applied, but runs true under cutting pressure. It made centering the tailstock a PITA. It also make very light finish cuts (under 0.025") impossible. I assume the ways are worn "wavy".

[@jcameron2554]

Jeeze, your lathe needs work, I have a Myford ML4 from the 40's and my lathe can hold a 1 thou taper on 3/8" brass stock 6" from the chuck. Setup is key, make sure it's leveled, (Google rollies dad's method of lathe alignment), then set your lathe on adjusting nuts if it doesn't have riser blocks make them. The ML4 is a cantilever bed and I can still hold that tolerance. Your over half a millimetre out on a finishing cut. Good luck.

[@conservative-proud]

My project yesterday was to adjust the taper on my head stock… I had a 0.05” taper over 10”, and finally after watching videos like this, I was armed with the knowledge and the courage to give it a go… after 3 adjustments I ended up with 0.00016” taper over 10”, and wasn’t brave enough to get it any closer… I think th was as close as I was going to get… obviously I had to adjust the tailstock as well, and after many tries, I ended up with 0.00008” over 24”… again, I was really happy with that… however, I used a dead centre in the tailstock, and even with constant lubrication the piece got very hot… I didn’t notice at first, and all my measurements were out and I was moving the tailstock in the wrong direction… I ended up swapping to the live centre which turned out well…

[@greglaroche1753]

Keep on your diet. We want you to be around for many more years to keep bring us your great videos.

[@standtogetherorhangalone158]

Thats a great way to test it i am gonna have to try that out on monday. I have always put a indicator in the chuck and swung the inside bore of the tail stock great video tho

[@AmericanJusticeCorp]

Wall Charts are awesome. I'd love to have a heads-up chart of all the different insert types and their applications. It's almost impossible to memorize all that.

[@charlessmall4075]

I have a Starrett that you may have never seen. I buy, sell, trade and collect tools both modern and antique. I go to the Habitat Restore a least once a day and buy tools. A few months ago I picked up a Starrett ratchet with a Jan.11 1916 patd. date. It is a model 443. It has a female 5/8 drive and it use stamped steel sockets. It has a knurled rod at the bottom that you pull and twist to turn direction of the ratchet. I once found a Starrett tool for clamping two 12 inch steel rulers together after stepping on it several times while looking at other tools. The Habitat Restore by me has a fresh supply of tools almost every day and cheap prices.

[@orkidknog4147]

well done on the weight loss, the chats look really nice glad things are going good for you, hope abs is ok

[@rodneywroten2994]

love your work Adam. thanks

[@gman3725]

You’re an awesome teacher and you’re super knowledgeable! Love the channel.

[@dougborrett3566]

Hey Adam, I don't know about the US, but here in Australia you can buy anti glare picture frame glass it has a matt finish to it, it is usually about 1/8 inch thick.

[@seanhazelwood3311]

It's reasonably common here in the US.

[@richnfamous59]

good to see you looking so well. I love your videos... keep em coming!

[@SillyPutty3700]

Another good reason to use a quality framer is that they use non acidic mat paper between the poster and the glass. Glass is always flowing and will eventually flow into paper fibers. It may take 50 -100 years but it will happen.

[@TheArsonsmith4242]

I was just doing this last week when the motor in my little Logan died on me. I just got a new one put in so I can finish up the alignment.

[@chieft3357]

Great Starrett posters. The tail stock may need some TLC. I took mine apart and saw it needed repair and replacement of all the adjusting set screws. It works great now. :-)

[@frankangermann6460]

WHO is that Guy in that video? He is using a three jaw chuck and is talking in millimeters?

[@ZONNEKAT]

Frank Angermann I guess he is '' Russian ''...😁

[@bostedtap8399]

zonnekat , like the next president maybe!.📹

[@frankangermann6460]

😂😂😂😂

[@azarellediaz4892]

If the quill on the tailstock is running straight then the headstock needed adjustment. If it’s going up close to the chuck this means the headstock is aiming away from you as it approaches the tailstock.

[@RodneyDMohr]

Amazing blueprint! As much of a cool thing it will be to display it, blueprints will fade quickly in sun light. You may want to have a scanned copy made and display it instead, and keep the original safely stored away. Love every video! Thanks!

[@ScottandTera]

awesome Posters.great sns. if you ever come across something like this again please share the link i love wall art

[@calebhurteau4230]

Hey man glad to hear ur losing weight. Wanna keep u around as long as possible. Good for u bro!

[@kevincorbin6273]

What a class act you are Abom, keep up the vids, love the education I'm getting

[@johnwp111]

Hi Adam. I remember reading somewhere in a old machine accuracy text that the head stock is canted towards the operator by 1 thou at four inches from the chuck to compensate for tool pressure. This could account for the discrepancy. If I can find the text I will let you know the title of it. Try reading "Testing Machine Tools" by Dr Georg Schlesinger 7th Ed. It available in PDF format online. Try reading page 16 as it says "The headstock should be so aligned that an arbor inserted in the spindle nose rises or inclines upwards only at its free end with respect to the bed ways, whilst inclining in the horizontal plane towards the tool post only. This will counteract the deformations resulting from the weight of the work piece and the cutting force.

[@lifeteen2]

Hmm, I suppose I could see that being a general "rule of thumb" kind of thing for the old mass production turret lathes, but that seems like a bad idea for a good toolmaker's lathe. Every material, diameter, and cutting tool will cause different amounts of deflection. That sounds like a "good enough" solution for mass production if you know what your cuts are, but for custom precision work I think managing taper should be totally in the hands of the machinist.

[@jcameron2554]

No it's not the headstock it's the cross slide that is off true, this is so that when two faced parts are stacked together they can't rock on a pivot. They have a slight concave face machined into them. If everything was machined with the ways perfectly designed to zero tolerance, then you would end up two faced parts on a lathe slightly rocking and driving you mad as everything was perfect to ever test you could perform.

[@kglesq1]

Looking good Adam, you're crushing it. Keep at it.

[@dizzolve]

24:00 may not be perfect on circumference, but centered is centered thought right? taper or not

[@jcameron2554]

In principle yes, however the cut peice is dialed from cross slide, and the tailstock barrel is dialled from the cross slide indicating that the two are perfect to each other. So the lathe bed is levelled to the tailstock, it cuts a peice of work and dials perfectly. This means that the only other option is that the headstock is out, unless the headstock and tailstock is out. For a machine shop first principle is making sure the bed ways are level each end. Then the headstock turns a true dia with the spring of material removed by several passes at the same setting. The setting up a test bar between centres and indicating the difference for the tailstock to align that.

[@dizzolve]

14:51 very interesting stuff. Really is a lot of wear on those ways too

[@brianfitzz]

Adam, I look forward to watching your videos every Saturday right from the beginning. If I may say so, it looks to me that you have lost some weight. Your face is definitely thinner.

[@mattdavis5512]

Lmao love your vids man. Had to be the first on one of them

[@RookieLock]

Lookin good buddy! Keep up the great work!

[@Sketch1994]

The way I went about aligning my headstock was to turn a test piece, measure at two points (if you want more out of this process you can take many measurments and plot them n Excel which will show if there's wear on the ways as well if there's a curve), mark the points and then adjust until a dial that's set to 0 at the marked point nearest the chuck shows exactly half the difference in diameter at the second marked point. I got within 11" (0.0027°) pretty quickly and just confirmed the dial readings with a test cut, and if it wasn't for the set screw location I would have done that even faster. PS: My heastock has a hinge pin so you can't really line it up with the tailstock, and combined with the fact that my tailstock is probably worn down too, I couldn't get microdrills to get going (a 0.2mm drill will just bounce around the flat from the tiny chisel of a 3mm spot drill, a 0.15mm drill will just break)

[@Theorbit10]

Smart to keep the print away from the glass. Sometimes the print will bond to the glass. If the glass gets broken the print will be ruined.

[@markgrevatt4867]

Congratulations on your weight loss Adam. Wish you the best of luck buddy. Love those poster's looks great framed up.

[@evilbrat5376]

Down 14 lb! Outstanding Adam, get it on. ..

[@jmh8743]

measure ends of that bar you cut, if not same then HS not parallel to ways. you did that once before i seem to remember. Richard King told me how to check HS-ways, exactly how to made first cut. can be very intimidating. so as the indicator moves left to right it changes along tapered cut bar. then once it got to TS ram it stayed "0". wall charts #10.

[@dougankrum3328]

Wall charts...pretty nice framing !! Back in the 1970's I worked at Burgmaster Machine Tool Company in Gardena, Calif....I sure wish I'd kept some of their literature, they were right up there with Cincinnati Milacron in Quality of Turret machines. All I can find now is the tiny little bench models like Tom Lipton has...

[@johnstrange6799]

Good stuff start to finish. Thanks, man.

[@emmaivonnevazquezramirez3910]

Congratulations for your weigth lost. And thanks for the tutorials. I lern a lot . I have a machine shop in my house.

[@mohammedosmanosman4294]

Dear Adam this is very great I do not know how to do the alignment thank you very much for this lesson I am really appreciate it

[@tylerkrug7719]

Ya dude that's definitely a really good picture framing job!

[@pieterbotes8938]

Put a dial indicator (lever or plunger type) in the chuck. Bring tail stock as close as possible to chuck. Set tail stock "O" on dial indicator by rotating chuck. Slide tail stock away as far as possible from chuck. Now, my next statement will sound weird. Use an aluminium bar (or prepare a piece of pipe - fairly rigid) of good size and fit dial indicator to one side of bar (this should be done beforehand) and grip in chuck. Check the run-out on tail stock quill. Now adjust head stock to bring dial indicator reading to Zero. Repeat this process until you get a zero reading at the chuck and tail stock with the tail stock away as far as possible from chuck. Remember, the guide ways determine what the alignment will be because everything works from the guideways on a lathe. The longer the distance over which alignment is done, the more accurate the result will be.

[@nickshamla347]

I'd love to see you tackle the victor alignment further. Congrats on the weight loss!

[@AustrianAnarchy]

Don't the old blueprints fade when exposed to visible light too? Maybe I am confusing those with another type of printing.

[@copasetic216]

Thanks man. Good timing on this one for me.

[@conexn]

You should have all those old posters copied and offer them to people that would like to buy them. I know I would like to have a copy of them for my own shop.