So... About Destiny 3... Where might we go? Who might our enemy be?

Destiny 3 is potentially on the horizon. But what will happen in Bungie's next mainline Destiny game? Who will the major enemy be? What are we likely to be doing? Where will we go? What will the story be? In this video, I'm working to answer what's going on with Destiny 3 and whether we'll be facing the Ahamkara, Nezarec or the Hive God Xivu Arath as our leading villain.
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[@nathanbeverley247]

Last time I was this early, we'd stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars.

[@ricosiscoentertainment3759]

Whether we wanted it or not ?

[@dragonslast49]

So we got to taking out their commanders, one by one.

[@landongros6052]

We probably should take out their command, one by one if able.

[@jerryewald2223]

hate it when that happens 🙄

[@goddotmp3432]

Valus Ta’aurc. From what we’d gathered he had commanded the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon.

[@owentravis9520]

If there are any Fallen enemies in D3, there could only really be one. Let us never forget the true terror of the Eliksni that should turn up at some point. Randal the Vandal will be in D3, possibly Taniks too.

[@flailingcamel6064]

I honestly think Bungie making The Nine the new big villains would be interesting

[@pugwash1]

maybe part of them after all some of the nine are in favor of being our allies

[@fuzzy3383]

Eh

[@joshmanion8172]

Honestly that would be great if destiny did a better job of in game lore. I’ve never completed a full expansion only got about 500 hour in destiny 2 and 400 of that was in one season. But destiny 2 has major issues. There so much lore entire expansions are missing, you feel like your always missing something, and for people who haven’t played several expansions that’s a lot of info. The game also does really bad with guns, I always get to max lvl and then I’m like okay now what? What guns should I be going for, how much better it a x10 wep compared to normal and so on and so on. Then you get to end game content, doing nightmares and raids and trials how the hell do you even get into it. Doing everything through discords seems so convoluted. Even the grouping system while doing that seems unnecessarily hard. Destiny 2 just isn’t a game you can just pick up, you need a million different outside things to be able to play content. 500 hours and I’ve never done trials, I’ve done one raid that people then just made into a farm of the first part and kept repeating, no idea on what guns are good, how to get them, what traits are what, it’s all just convoluted and wierd. Destiny 2 is a great game, but doesn’t attract new players and the ones it does it loses because of all the things above and all the others I haven’t written.

[@jasontaylor4802]

@@joshmanion8172 Yes. Getting into a 10 year old game is hard... The systems are fairly complex. But honestly, it takes 3-4 months of a decent amount of playtime to get up to speed. Yes, you need to go beyond the game itself to find a lot of information on builds, weapons, etc. But the process is there to be followed if you have the time and patience for it.

[@quavoking]

Do you understand the lore?

[@aceundead4750]

If there are seven Ahamkara still alive it would be a great way to bring Lady Efrideet more heavily into the story, allowing the Iron Banner to continue with Lord Saladin gone to the Cabal home world if we dont go to help or at least dont go to help immediately

[@VizuualGaming]

One of the things I want to see, is the Places the Drifter spoke about duirng season of the deep, where he mentioned he had to kill his own group to survive. With it being too dangerous out there, meaning theres greater evils than what we are already facing, the great beyond

[@hitrapperandartistdababy605]

@Anklebiting There were theories that those creatures were Tormentors, with the fact that Tormentors can suppress the light and all, but I think this has less credibility now that we know the Dread are the witness's (fairly new?) experiments with the light.

[@hitrapperandartistdababy605]

@Anklebiting I personally think Bungie could end up giving us an entire new premise for after final shape. With the Witness (hopefully) gone, and them saying they want to move away from the Light and Darkness saga, I think it could be cool for us to see an entirely new world, outside of Sol.

[@halberd-3291]

Other potential plot lines not mentioned in this video: - Ancient, powerful Taken; the Perfect Raven, Primus A’arn, Chelchis, Kell of Stone, “Primevals,” and the entire worlds Taken and Blighted by Oryx. - The ice planet and the Light-suppressing creatures Drifter found on it. - the Location of the Derelict Leviathan - The Worm Gods - Oryx’s mindless but living body now in Vanguard containment. - Whether Nokris still lives - Clovis Bray - Jana-14, the Weapons of Sorrow, Shadows of Yor, and Shin Malphur. - Praedyth and the simulated Ishtar scientists “escaping” from the Vex network. - Skira, the Watcher

[@ziegfeld4131]

Shins story is wrapped up already

[@halberd-3291]

@@ziegfeld4131 Yes, but, if they’re pushing a weapons of sorrow story then it’s not impossible he could be involved somehow.

[@avalokiteshvara113]

Enough hunters tbh. Give me some warlock focused NPCs​@@halberd-3291

[@romanmv5653]

Yes oryx, I think he is my main obsession, he already brought back savathun and xivu from the dead which mean he could be brought back too, there is also 3 worm God's still alive which mean more power to absorb by the sword logic, the dreadnaught, and I don't remember if the mother worm in the pyramid of rhulk is dead dead or if it's just... Asleep kinda, but yes the hive just too much possibility

[@ChuckFinnley944]

Considering how little we’ve actually seen of them and how large they loom over the future, I think the Vex are the most logical main enemy faction for Destiny 3. I can see us helping Caitel rise to her throne, finding a new home for the Eliksni, finishing off, or at least creating a non-aggression pact with Savathun and Xivu-Arath, but none of those really seems to fit a full scale, “call all Guardians” or type of conflict in the same way a final confrontation with the Vex would be. Regardless of who we end up facing and when, I really hope we get to travel outside of Sol!

[@vikrantpulipati1451]

I feel like the problem with the vex is that they don't have personalities, so it's way harder to make an interesting story around them. In recent years destiny has leaned very heavily into a character-driven model of storytelling over a concept-driven model, and I believe that intrinsically forces them to sideline the vex to an extent. Just my 2 cents

[@Sleeper_6875]

@@vikrantpulipati1451agreed 100%, hiveminds just aren’t as interesting from a character perspective unless we’re shown they have some degree of individuality despite the hivemind, or if the vex combined with something else that does have personality like a vex infected enemy species

[@life-destiny1196]

@@Sleeper_6875 I agree in principle, but there's a huge exception, and her name is Maya Sundaresh. We've even seen what that would be like from Clovis Bray's lore.

[@elseggs6504]

​@@Sleeper_6875The Subfactions seem to have some sort of autonomy if they can think of different solutions to pursue. Hell, Mass Effect once again did the same thing better than Destiny. In this case by making Legion be the face of a faceless hivemind

[@Sleeper_6875]

@@life-destiny1196 true

[@thewildbeast6063]

Eliksni... I'm interested in their past, their land, and Ermis and her future journey

[@DragonKnight90001]

Honestly 3 locations that we know of could be fundament, Torobatal and rii’s other than that they would have to make entirely new planets and probably enemies too cause I don’t think 3 planets will be enough for a new Destiny game.

[@Sunfirea]

Imo 3 planets can be enough if they are large enough and have enough depth to them. Atleast on launch

[@Aenwyrm]

Fundament, Torobatl, wherever the vex originated, the precursors planet, the planet the drifter found the light-supressing beings...

[@kylemccormack1785]

You described the Destiny 3 I want. Annual major expansions where we restore the Cabal to their homeworld, the Fallen to their frozen Riis, and even taking Savathun and the Lucent Brood to Fundament.

[@Tron-yj2nv]

@@Aenwyrm 2082 Volantis is supposedly where the Vex originate

[@Aenwyrm]

@@Tron-yj2nv yeah couldn't remember the name when I first commented

[@reaganmessina5139]

I think there are a few other people should also be of note. In my mind Clovis Bray could become a major antagonist if he is assimilated into the Vex net, and Nokris if he can come back he would probably be the second most powerful hive left in the system now that Xivu Arath is no longer Ascendant

[@reaganmessina5139]

I think that these could both be stories in episodes with Echos focusing on a battle between Clovis and Asher in the Vex net and Nokris gaining control of some hive and taken in Heresy

[@jacobbanks5006]

Byf, I’m sorry to say but you forgot a major villain who could be in the lineup as Destiny 3’s big bad. That being high Bungie executives.

[@grahamwilliams9700]

No no that the nine they need us to exist and also have be openly hostile towards us as well

[@rogehmarbi]

Meanwhile 3 months later

[@jacobbanks5006]

@@rogehmarbi I knew it!

[@mr_skylark4109]

I think the nine, especially with their aesthetic, would be pretty cool villains. Prophecy was one of the most visually impressive dungeons imo that could make for really interesting raid encounters.

[@Rook_Metal]

The Nine and the Aphelion are the two that interest me the most since they’ve never been seen in-game before, with Lysander a close third. What about the remaining worm gods though?

[@S3Cs4uN8]

Would Lysander even be alive at this point?, I don't recall him being mentioned as a Guardian and at best his failed coup happened at least a century or more before the start of Destiny 1.

[@Spike2276]

Lysander presents a perfect civil war scenario where we might be made to face other guardians and bring about a few final deaths. I wonder if the Aphelion are what Drifter encountered on that ice planet he was at where he lost his crew. The Nine are the easiest storyline to follow up on. Sentient dark matter wants to exist in the universe and might cause massive destruction even if it's intention is just survival. And we already have some allies within them who might throw in with us and help keep the status quo.

[@G.A.B.B.E.R]

That ambiant music from D1 was magical soothing after a long day at work.

[@Advent98]

if i remember correctly, back in season of the splicer wasn't there a thing of dialogue from mithrax talking about some nightmare/ boogeyman type of character that haunted the eliksni on riis, like wayyy before the whirlwind. that could be a possibility for an eliksni antagonist in d3, the prevention of the final shape could awaken that creature like how ghauls attempt on stealing the light had got the witness to start making its move

[@britefive]

That was Nezarech

[@wolfikins2777]

@@britefiveyeah it was probably either Nez or other Dread

[@Breathe4you.]

Skira, the Watcher

[@Breathe4you.]

@Anklebiting nez has probably been in Sol for millions of years. So I'm hoping that Skira is something different. But yea you're more than likely right that it's just Nez

[@S3Cs4uN8]

​@Anklebiting It was very likely it was Nezarec before he went on towards Earth, the way Mithrax spoke about Skira and how the Eliksni "defeated" him (iirc by basically just ignoring/forcibly forgetting them as a species) which is very on the money for how Nezarec is described to have existed prior to his revival in the Root of Nightmares raid.

[@skeletor8951]

I really like the idea of 7 vengeful Ahamkara being aligned against the 7 of Riven's brood. Even better if you blur the lines- have some of Riven's clutch break away from Mara, have their own feelings about being raised by their broodmother's jailer. And have some of the escapees be more sympathetic- one could be like Taranis, or they could simply wish to be left alone and not come back to fight us. There's a lot of potential there, but it would necessitate fleshing out entirley new Ahamkara characters, which is a lot for one plotline even were it to expand beyond an initial campaign with some of them being important later on.

[@Altherot]

You left out the most important villain of them all - Our lord and savior Kelgorath!

[@ninjathis3009]

Budget Taniks. Kelgorath has gotten enough appearances to show up in a raid with a glow up by now, right?

[@Altherot]

@@ninjathis3009 He would be perfect for a Xivu Arath raid.

[@vhagars_saggy_tits1465]

If Nezarec is ressurected we could see a struggle of control of the taken which could be interesting.

[@christophergarland7936]

I swear if Kelgorath unironically becomes a powerhouse it will be the best left field villain.

[@life-destiny1196]

@@ninjathis3009 at this point, yeah, Taniks is budget Kelgorath.

[@souleater2978]

10:30 what if another way for the Nine to persist, is to fight us? this story could be similiar to the hives sword-logic, meaning that the Nine would have to fight us to stay alive.

[@Nick-4K]

Here we go. Hear me out. D3 can be a reboot. Maybe the Vex have manipulated reality and its been changed. Now we can re tackle the entire world and enemies in a whole new way.

[@MATHEUS1234415]

I believe that Clovis Bray will be a great villain for the future, mainly due to issues related to the VEX, his hatred for the guardians, the traveler and his aspirations to become a God. Being an AI in fact, Clovis, could at one time or another escape into the VEX network and become a big problem, in addition to the factor having created the EXOs from a mixture of VEX and "darkness", his studies could even cause the VEX create a new division where they can actually manipulate Light and Dark as basic elements of the universe to ensure the survival of the species.

[@gorge2786]

Clovis and the factions (including the concordat) would certainly be an interesting enemy grouping alongside the Vex/Maya and a 3rd group perhaps related somehow to the fallen

[@garrettviewegh9028]

Maya Sundaresh is also alive as a AI Vec copy. Given her research on the Veil, she could become a powerful rival to Clovis. Maybe wielding the Darkness to fight him? We and Neomuna could end up having to ally with him despite bad blood, to defeat a greater evil. Or, Maya could end up killing Clovis/assimilating him.

[@Soulverine]

Nezarec haunted Neomuna via the Vex network before we faced off against him in the raid. I could see a plot where Clovis Bray actually teams up with Nezarec for revenge against the Guardians. Nezarec tortures people and Clovis gets valuable information to continue his megalomaniacal quest to make humanity immortal through himself alone. It would be terrifying

[@DualEquinox]

A tantalizing lore hint I would like to see elaborated on is the unknown entities known as the Dreaming, who are connected in some way with the will of the Awoken people and after whom the Dreaming City was named. It could tie in well with a plotline involving the Distributary...

[@Breathe4you.]

Remember when Savathun was breaking the 4th wall basically saying she knows she is in the Destiny Universe, n is trying to leave. Would love to see peak dimension/universe hopping Sava

[@carterhalo255]

The ahamkara have attempted this as well. The lore of the skull of dire ahamkara is one speaking directly to the player, tempting them to wish it into existence

[@77SBCR]

This was before the witness

[@pyiemadofarmule]

WHAT IF WE GOT THE DESTINY MULTIVERSE 😱

[@RedCrystalStudios1]

@@pyiemadofarmule i agree with destiny two multiverse my friend group and i played a game and it was fully randomized names and his name was Oryx Space

[@pyiemadofarmule]

@@RedCrystalStudios1 my comment was sarcastic, i’d actually uninstall the game if they pulled the multiverse card

[@andrewrebholz]

Obviously the right track to go here is making Taniks the main antagonist of Destiny 3 to really contine his rise up the ranks. From recurring Strike Boss, to Raid Boss, and then even to a main game-launch campain antagonist.

[@TheBreuster]

Taniks-2 and Taniks, The Defiled - his exo mind and his scorned body, working in tandem against a returned Cayde-6.

[@SuperheroDeuce]

I think the most likely villain of Destiny 3 is a new enemy race entirely. I imagine we'll leave Sol and they'll have new powers and abilities to do a complete refresh and reset

[@D3athChick3n]

This is what I’d like to see, explore the universe beyond this system. Have more variety instead of recycling the same enemy factions over and over again. (But still have them there since there are lots of plots that could be explored.)

[@Bugattiboy912]

"Your Destiny lies beyond this solar system." - Savathun, The Witch Queen, 2022.

[@Sehnsucht1622]

If we ever see Destiny 3. I think D3 would be such a horrible idea if that's the future of the franchise. Imagine dumping hundreds of dollars into D2 just to do the same with D3 and leave everything behind. Right now there's no confirmed plans for Destiny after TFS. If it flops then Sony takes over, which would probably be for the best. Update the engine and do some overhauls, no need for a third game.

[@D3athChick3n]

@@Sehnsucht1622agreed, but I think there are major changes that might need to be made that might require a whole new title. Like, I imagine Bungie doesn’t want to have to keep “vaulting” content. Hopefully they can find some way to optimize the game’s size. (Or rely on the better storage tech/cheaper storage costs in recent years.)

[@Sehnsucht1622]

@@D3athChick3n It's not Bungie's fault that console storage is awful. MMO's are large in scale, vaulting old content to hinder progress is just a poor business model. Also, with a D3 launch then people will just have Destiny 2 and Destiny 3 installed, what would be the difference in size then? All this hard work and for what? To randomly cast it aside for a new title as an "MMO"? Just seems silly.

[@realityis4chumps]

18:08 A great way for Nezarec to return in massive spectacle of power and dread would be for him to reclaim his buried pyramid ship, have it tear through the caverns and resurface above the moon. An ancient looming threat hanging above Earth’s sky, a scar on the moon clear as day. A painful reminder that he hasn’t forgotten us.

[@Cronut]

Thank you for so much entertainment over the years Byf, with hopefully many many more to come! 😁

[@RonsarLo]

From everything I've learned since Destiny 2 launched. The enemy seems to be Sony, execs selling out and a bad engine. The devs, the story tellers seem fantastic But Destiny seems like it could be amazing, but so far from the potential

[@Brrrstrument]

We've fought hive guardians before, I want a boss fight at the end of a good dlc where we fight an ACTUAL guardian, same abilities that we have and stuff.

[@AlexBeveridge-t8i]

I’ve been thinking over the past couple days, what about The Architects as the villains? They could potentially be the beings that created all life in the universe and have shaped events for their benefit

[@Penguinman2.0]

youre joking right??

[@aempyTV]

The Architects are basically Bungie saying that the environment, that they have created, killed you. And since they created the environment, they are the Architects. I hope you're not serious.

[@deathwishunicorn2895]

Maybe that’s who the Gardener and Winnower are

[@silverprimus321boi9]

@aempyTV then say the environment. Why would bungie it the architects? Unless there's a reason beyond that. Remember, this is bungie. I understand that it does sound silly, but it's one of the weirdest things in destiny and the half assed explanation doesn't sit right at all. Again, it could be that simple, but again, it could mean more.

[@aempyTV]

@@silverprimus321boi9 maybe you’re right, we‘ll see

[@Brianbakergdi]

My hopes are that Destiny 3 will be a complete refresh; new guardian, and new timeline to explore. In example, took place during the times of the Iron Lords, get to play through the rise of Siva, introduce Felwinter, It would be so good.

[@Dougie1872]

The moment Riven had us running collecting her clutch of eggs i knew we had potentiol for d3 as ahamkara wishes come with curses 🤞

[@Jpow5734]

I’ve always thought that simply the vex could make a great next antagonist, there’s supposedly entire star systems out there that have completely artificial planets and stars in the heart of their territory that mass produce vex on a unfathomably large scale, the vex that we fight aren’t even the main forces and are more like scouts, workers and religious zealots, if something like the vault of glass is on the edge of their territory then imagine what we could find the further we go into it’s centre. There is much more for the vex to offer to us as an enemy and I think it would be really cool to see, and they’re just my favourite faction so I always love anything that they’re apart of.

[@MorganNull-uj6uu]

This guy gets it

[@oriongore]

I just cannot get enough of these videos, man. It’s something about how he words his explanations and his voice that just captivates me. That and the fact he isn’t just loud and annoying for no reason or throwing out completely absurd theories lol.

[@kalebheidbreder8894]

I really badly want that concept art of the moth faction to become a reality, not only because moths are awesome, but it could have mechanics tied to light and dark

[@maniacalcoast2742]

whos gonna tell him

[@kalebheidbreder8894]

@@maniacalcoast2742 theres nothing to say, the lucent brood has a moth aesthetic but it doesn’t actually play a factor into them and what Im referring to is the actual alien race that was originally planned

[@Ethanshmeethan00]

​@kalebheidbreder8894 my brother in light the moth race are the krill / hive

[@kalebheidbreder8894]

@@Ethanshmeethan00 mate you have zero clue what your talking about actually go back and look at concept art

[@kalebheidbreder8894]

Like doesn’t matter how many connections there are, that moth faction was scrapped, it doesn’t exist, its not the hive

[@xivkya6882]

I think a civil war-esc story would be interesting, give people the option to either side between the city or the factions/Lysander, make crucible into a battleground where folks pledged to the city are on one side and factions on the other

[@Slim-yu1ud]

Every time you say “clarity” I imagine a vine boom and Clovis bray appearing on screen

[@Zenithiien]

I love the idea of fight the seven ahamkara. Like what if the vex are granted a wish from one of them that lets them simulate or use paracausal forces. Or what if we get to raise of rivens kids and instead of a sparrow we get a dragon mount. That would be sick

[@kendominfinity]

I think Destiny 3 should have Xivu Arath as the main villain. Have a plot where she takes up the witness mantle. Some weird darkness light fusion and she becomes super powerful. It can be on the Cabal home world and introduce all the species the cabal has assimilated into their ranks.

[@ArkaSaurusRex218]

I can see them using these plots for seasonal content for Destiny 3. One where we're fighting with the Cabal to retake their homeworld. (Season of Bloodshed) One where fighting Nezerac who's trying to gather artifacts of Darkness or Light for some evil purpose (Season of Nightmares) One where fighting the Ahmkara who have turned various planets into their lairs (Season of the Empires)

[@ISAFMobius18]

I think there's also a possibility we get a Ghaul situation for D3. As in they just invent a new big bad and story. Thing about fiction is you can just create whatever you want as long as it doesn't conflict with existing lore. So it's entirely possible we face a new enemy and story we've not even heard of yet

[@doubtful_lion5694]

What got me into destiny lore was in reading the quote attached to Young Alhamkara's spine, finding out was an Alhamkara is and then reading quote attached to Sealed Alhamkara grasps. Reading that Lil "O' guardian mine" at the end gave me chills dude.

[@jeremydaoud6792]

Lysander coming back and starting a guardian civil war would be so cool man theres so much they could do with that

[@meanerminnermina7333]

Story pitch: Spy thriller story arc with political intrigue, secret agents infiltrating the last city, rogue guardian spies, a looming coup/uprising from within the last city, not knowing who to trust, betrayal and twist reveals, and a big reveal that there has been a hidden evil right under our noses for far longer than we’d like to admit; Lysander and the Concordat running things without us realising. It would be amazing. The most threatening non-paracausal enemy we may yet face.

[@GeronimoPlaz]

Lame. Played out. Unoriginal. Yawn.

[@meanerminnermina7333]

@@GeronimoPlaz 😐😐

[@BrassSpyglass]

Something that might be done with Lysander would be setting up shop in a different settlement and inviting the Spider to come live with him, in the process fomenting a schism in House Light.

[@derekarmstrong1961]

Honestly, I’m done with all of these factions and saga. Bungie needs to put this to rest and we need to have entire new factions, story, new characters and system to explore. Planets need to have more meaning to them. Like exploration, rework public events, more activities and more enemy density on the plant.

[@jackwhelan8249]

I'd kind of want to see a timeskip anywhere on the scale of a century to a millennium. Make Earth and Sol our Home Base, our Guardians have either faded into myth or been incapacitated, and now we travel across distant stars to face a new intergalactic threat facing the whatever grows out of the FOTC/Cabal/Eliksni coalition

[@ramz871]

Id personally love to have the Nine as the antagonists for a while. They are so mysterious and just, unknown, that I'd love to see them be the center of something for a change

[@demonsorrows]

I've got a personal theory storyline that I have that's not likely to be the case. It would take a while, but I'll summarize. Sorry for length. -it gets confirmed the Ascendant Plane was the Garden and it's just an empty husk of what it was. -Traveler/Veil was a type of dimension-style creation engine (like a dimensional terraformer) connected to the Ascendant Plane. -Their separations split caused an implosion/explosion that devastated and separated matter/consciousness within the Ascendant plane, while causing the Big Bang on the other side flooded with remnants of the Garden and formed dimensional pockets. (Read The Anomaly lore) -The Deep is a pocket that was created and filled with countless consciousnesses of the Ascendant Plane that swirled and became one/a few powerful beings without material form. They told the Witness how to become what they are. -The Distributary is a pocket of matter and potential, but had no minds or consciousnesses to form and create. Just a void until human consciousnesses entered. Mara being the first to awaken, form, set rules, etc. -The Witness is stopped from using the Pale Heart to amplify and send out the Deathsong in place of the Song of Life/Creation. But not before his actual purpose is done. The Deep mind(s) manipulated the Witness, the true Final Shape the Deep wants is crossing and having their own final shape, a body/bodies, a true form of Material existence. -The loop curse in the Dreaming City will be ended and Taken will enter the Distributary. We'll enter and learn that when Mara left it allowed the Deep to whisper in. After Mara left everything went downhill fast. Civil wars broke out, famine, factions, and after a too long a period, the pocket universe itself showed signs of slowly breaking down. Mara was the first in, the first mind, billions of years waited until she made form and rule, structure was her existence. When she left, she took the power of HER creation universe with her. While there she was like a battery pack with a million outlets that kept her strength low, but started to fill once she left.. She'll need to return and we help her try to save and stabilize the Distributary before collapse. A lot more but I've said too much already. Too weird? Not weird enough? Thoughts? Much love and have a good one.

[@demonsorrows]

Also, another an alternative path idea for the hiding Ahamkara (crazy just for fun.) During The Hunt, an Awoken talking to himself or to another about his home half-hearted wished to see their family or introduce their team member(s) to the fam and beauty of their home back in the Distributary. An Ahamkara nearby created an alternative means to enter, the Guardians went in wondering what it was and the Ahamkara informed the rest. They entered into the Distributary behind them and closed the portal to hide in the pocket dimension where no other could sense them. When we enter, we discover their influence and wishes caused problems, deaths, accusations, factions formed, civil war, power hungry divisions with Ahamkara acting as figureheads. They're repopulating their numbers and feasting.

[@jacobboucher777]

Not only could the Ahamkaras could involve the Awoken, but also the Nine, the Aphelion, and possibly the Hive. The Hive could mean Nezarec, the Psions, the Cabal. All three story plots could very much be interwoven into one big giant Destiny 3 story.

[@NoWayAnyHow]

What if Dark Timeline versions of good characters invade our universe? If Elsie Bray could figure it out, why couldn’t Clovis figure it out and make a connection to it? Honestly, wish dragons could probably do this as well. Even the Vex could be the primary conduit for this new enemy!

[@Tonberry3001]

Would love to go through the portal at the end of the Glassway and see the forge star.

[@rukaishoziku3793]

Imagine if, Destiny 3 opens up with a race selection screen that includes Cabal, Hive, and Fallen options due to the Traveller granting the light to more races, and each race gets it's own "intro mission" of awakening as a guardian

[@antares8826]

I still remember a conversation with Savathun during the Season of the Lost. She said something like: Light on the one side, darkness on the other. But if you want to see the truth, you have to look up

[@crashlads2685]

Exactly! With the origins of the veil and traveller being so odd, it wouldn't surprise me if something created them or is a whole other party within the game of the larger universe

[@itsthatoneguy2921]

A Worthy antagonist could be an Evil Guardian.

[@foolianoo4758]

A evil guardian faction would be dope, like the first handful of risen are hunting those that use light or dark, or have the traveler be the good guy and his creator is the real villain

[@brianacosta421]

I'm still interested in dredgen yor and if he has any other evil guardian just imagine good vs evil guardian fighting each other like a true faction type battle

[@ihwb3005]

While I would seriously love to see destiny follow a narrative of fighting other guardians, I really hope a destiny 3 doesn’t exist

[@optumis1433]

One storyline I’d like to see in the future is one involving Clovis Bray. Last time we saw him, he wasn’t happy that we discovered what his true form rebuilding Rasputin was in Season of the Seraph. He could be a future antagonist in Destiny. This could be a chance to get Ana and Elsie Bray back in the story. Heck, we can potentially go to 2082 Volantis and deal with the Vex

[@guyrex213]

I think it would be more interesting if they made a spinoff game. Maybe something like "the forest" where you are a regular human trying to survive in an island infested with hive and other races

[@GeronimoPlaz]

Lol

[@YourLocalBigfoot]

Heres a potentially crazy “plot twist”… what if the witness going about trying to bring on the Final Shape was just it trying to prepare sol and whatnot for something far worse? The “something far worse” being whats coming in Destiny 3

[@umbralfrontier7905]

I feel that in the Heresy Episode, it's gonna be a three way fight between Us, Xivu, and Toland leaving for a final confrontation of Xivu on Torabatel with our Cabal Allies. However, a kind of Skrull Invasion type fight with Surviving Ahamkara would be incredible!

[@Ricaidius]

Lysander’s sue for peace could be entirely genuine. The government he rebelled against is effectively no more. The 7 headed structure is down to 2 military leaders who are allied with the Awoken and sects of the Cabal and Eliksni

[@Sedward135]

Maya Sundaresh is the key to finally giving the Vex a personality. Really want to see that. Definitely want to see the pursuit of the ahamkara story, especially considering it’s hinted that Saladin has already made his choice to hunt them again.

[@asperry97]

I still think that a whole dlc should have been dedicated to the slaughtering of Ahamkara. It's a pretty major plot point. That we just skimmed over

[@matthew_ferguson]

I love the idea of 7 leaders that turn out to be the Ahamkara. They come to us as seemingly wise members of different races and factions.

[@mixzawa]

A buddy and I were talking about this last weekend. What we agreed upon was keeping everyone’s in-game store purchases made with real money like they do now in Call of Duty and time jump several hundred years. This would allow the all races to evolve over time since the Final Shape and we play as a New Light that can be now only the variety of human races but now be Eliksni from the House of Light. Cabal could work more wise but just being an Eliksni that becomes a Guardians would be a great moment for the race as far as the Traveller reuniting with them. These are just my thoughts.

[@mixzawa]

Better yet. The way Destiny 3 starts is at the funeral or annual remembrance ceremony of your Guardian from the Light and Darkness Saga as a New Light Guardian. This way it leaves how you awake as a Guardian to the individuals head canon and the new story begins.

[@sharcblazer99]

I would enjoy it if destiny 3 took us on a journey learning about the dead races in space like maybe we go to Fundament, maybe we descend into the deep, recover artifacts, etc. Maybe it focuses more hard on the vex.

[@SentinelStudios1]

I had an idea for something that, if not for a Destiny 3, then for a DLC. Basically, we get a distress call from Riis that turns out to be coming from Athrys. When the Guardian, Mithrax, Eido, and some members of the House of Light arrive, she, with Eido's help, convinces everyone to work together on the problem: repelling the Dread and Hive, led by a Disciple of the (now deceased) Witness, from Riis. If we agree to help, Eramis and Mithrax will negotiate a more permanent truce, and Eramis will provide us further insight into our Stasis abilities (new grenades, aspects, supers, etc).

[@nathanroddy2560]

Seeing the rest of the Awoken come through the portal from the distributary would prove very interesting. After millions/billions of years since Mara and the others left, they could both serve as saviors in breaking the curse on the dreaming city but also challenging Mara's power and authority and try to inflict their will on the system.

[@GunplaShock]

I think the winnower is the witness and the traveler is the gardener, and that the flower game is precursors trying to combine the dark and light!

[@tritonyt2644]

I would love to see at the end of the final shape there is a big burst of light power sending ghosts all over the universe and in D3 we get more race options for our gaurdian like Cabal, and Eliksni or maybe Hive too

[@exxy9931]

Just a reminder: the Distributary that the Awoken came from has a "faster" time cycle than what we experience (think of it like one year here could be dozens inside it). That and it can be assumed they have no idea the threat Ahamkara pose... meaning... the children of Riven and Taranis could flee to there and come back in what seems like a very short span of time and be fully grown.

[@anthony7440]

Diversity on defeating enemies would be cool from planet to planet. Bringing a new type of boss to beat would be cool.

[@rancidrance875]

While the Cabal Hive war is a very clear path to follow at some point, imo The Nine is the best way to go for an over arching big villain plot. Them being formless means they would likely initially interact via proxies, so we can keep fighting Cabal, fallen, hive etc but also given that there's 9 of them, they can be split across multiple expansions to be beaten (with maybe a few joining our side) the same way Oryx, Savathun and Xivu have been.

[@jrockz133t]

Xivu is probably a bigger threat than may think. Even if she dies in in the episodes, one hive major victory, if the Books of Sorrow can be trusted, she can be resurrected. Hell that may even be the Heracy mentioned in the episodes name. After that, you still have possibly 3 worm gods after she's completely dealt with

[@froszt]

I love the Destiny franchise, but I also love the Halo universe. Most people would hate this idea, just imagine Master Cheif coming out of portal saying I need a weapon Guardian after we kill the Witness. Then we see wormholes opening and the covenant coming out of those. Or we see our own version of the Cheif in the destiny universe. It'll be a cool idea, I'd prefer for franchise's to stay separate. Personally I'm 50/50 on it

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

I do think leaving the system or more beyond sol adventures would make the most sense with a jump to Destiny 3. All these ideas do kinda make sense - but I think the Aphelion/Nine are the most likely, after whatever happens with Xivu on Torabatl. The biggest change I could see making sense though - would be playable Eliksni, Cabal or even Hive. They'd have to basically be a new class/race combo option, otherwise the amount of armour that bungie would have to make would be absurd.

[@Korinthiuz]

Byf went from really important and detailed lore, to “Anyway so Dragons are cool as hell”

[@xCrims21x]

Archie is Clovis Bray. He has a ghost capture, and he is trying to learn more about the guardians and their journey. He will force the Ghost to ress him frozen body that's in Europa.

[@GhostKillerEntertainment]

Honestly I’ve been such a huge fan of the nine, especially with their earlier stories from D2 (Season of Gambit / Prophecy.) plus a sucker for their aesthetic and color schemes they have as well.

[@abyssal_beans]

It’s genuinely unclear whether they’re friend of foe, but the beings hinted to be in the void (as in void light, which may or may not be the same void the nine are in) could make for some intriguing possibilities. Things like chog’s description and the briarbind lore tab tell us that there are things in the void with some degree of sentience, but along with that, let me draw your attention to the graviton forefit lore. It speaks with a very similar tone to the winnower, and depending on how you interpret the flavour text, is something you hear while under the effects of void invisibility, which has some terrifying implications.

[@Sandercool99]

One interesting story idea I had:Remember that we recovered Oryx's body from the Ghosts of the deep? Whats if Taox returns but she is such a problem that we are forced to resurecct Oryx and convince him to work toghether with Xivu and Savathun to stop Toax her plan.

[@xcrucialbladex3801]

I always enjoyed the lore about Rogue Guardians and thought if there was more activities in game based around them, that it would be cool. Imagine a raid but the final boss is just a super old, badass guardian.

[@jiml4939]

The 7 deadly sins of Ahamkara - I'd not be surprised by such a trope. Could be an interesting plot too.

[@greedygremlin7471]

I personally hope that a D3 takes place in another system, far in the future with new antagonists. I'm all for old enemies to still be a part of the journey but I want something fresh for a new game.

[@retrodice2485]

What is The Witness is one of the surviving dragons, obviously speculative . There is the scene where Calus is shown the “true” form of The Witness while saying “infinite apologies” during the LightFall campaign… could be a long shot but goes along with how byf said that they can take any form they choose.

[@Riskybiscuits97]

Was hoping to see Clovis mentioned. It’d be really cool to have Clovis go off the deep end. Clovis going crazy and like ascending his AI into vex or like making the Exos go full iRobot or something

[@JackTheLastWizard]

Okay so. Destiny 3 Battle on 3 fronts. 1. Caital has been replaced on Torabottle in her absence. 2. A way to disable/destroy the vex has been discovered and they start sending actual battle units in response. 3. Seviu stokes the schism amongst the 9. Cover art : red eye center, caital left, scribe eido center, seviu right. Below the eye, the various allies. In the shadow cast by the red eye a dragon... New character race option, Eliksni....

[@ValentinoMarino11]

That last part, what are the odds the traveler would bless Fallen with light? If Savathun could, surely Eliksni can.

[@yemonaid53]

In the future I would love to see the light reembrace the Eliksni and maybe empower the Cabal. Allowing each of them to show us their unique ways of using it similar to the hive.

[@aberry7158]

Something that could be interesting if they even did a spinoff game imagine a Hell Divers like game loop but you are Cabal dropping into different regions of Torobatl to claim back territory from the hive in a constant war of attrition

[@KelsonKnox]

I think my main point of contention is that continuously, Bungie surprise us with something or someone we've never seen or heard of until the expansion/game reveal. Think about it. We didn't know about the Red Legion. About the Scorn. Hive Lightbearers. Stasis. Neomuna. If/when Destiny 3 is revealed, it's gonna be with an entirely new thing that we weren't expecting.

[@Nick-4K]

Destiny 3 needed to drop in 2021. I had fun with D2. But time for a new refresh.

[@marshallbridgeman]

I think it would be a hilarious turnabout if D3 goes with the main plot of the dragons hiding amongst the different friendly factions to us ,causing chaos and it just getting progressively worse because the only one making any real headway is Savathun, essentially making it a giant game of guess who between shapeshifting-reality warping dragons and the Bug queen literally known for her lies.

[@thermalrain_yt9725]

Going to the cabal homeworld to fight with the cabal would be badass. Going with nezarac feels bad. Ahamkara would be great foes and anything with the nine. Vex and taking us through time would be a really good way to leave all of destiny 2 behind. I feel like they could keep a small team on destiny 2 with episodes and let those keep on with d2

[@absentzz347]

I would personally love a storyline where the main antagonist is a Guardian. Somehow their mind has been changed or corrupted to hate humanity and the Traveler (maybe through their mental fortitude being unable to withstand an interaction with a third Darkness subclass???) and they set out to destroy it all. We've had quite a few storylines where the threat is close to home but never had one where the threat actually was a member of that home and we could really dive more into how the situation would sow discord in the Last City, among its citizens and Guardians alike. Hey, since it's Destiny 3, maybe players would eventually have to pick a side and play out the story from that side's perspective.

[@PopularNobody]

Mark my words, the Winnower will be the final boss

[@wmiller20002]

I think the wording of the Light vs Darkness saga ending is very deliberate. I would love a perspective change honestly. I think the Traveler should leave the system after our guardians have played their part. The nature of the Light is chaos, so it would be interesting to have the Traveler kind of go rogue and bless many cultures with it and it creates a Light Civil War. This ties into the idea of the Dragons Byf mentioned, the Witch Queen, and more.

[@speedymemes8127]

Traveler gonna travel. We're following that thing wherever it goes.

[@stuffandthings617]

As you said that about Nezarec and his memories, my mind instantly switched to Final Fantasy 7 Advent Children, the scene where Cloud defeated Sephiroth and Sephiroth said me won't be just a mere memory 🙈

[@PigPigPigPigPigPigPigPigPig]

I honestly think a prequel game set in the dark ages would be so cool. Imagine experiencing twilight gap, the building of the last city and the warlords. I'd also love to see a halo 3 odst like spin off where you're just a normal guy going up against these absolute superpowers. Despite humanity being on the brink of extinction, i don't think destiny has ever really explored it's apocalyptic setting. We've never felt vulnerable as guardians and i think the setting of the dark age is perfect to change this

[@robbagel54]

I’ve always thought an interesting plot line would be if the traveler left humanity, making us like the fallen. Seeing an embittered, disempowered humanity would be really interesting

[@dragonFLAME337]

One thing that I have always loved about this game is the lore and universe. For me a Destiny 3 needs to be outside of our "known" universe. From a logical standpoint our known universe is a lot older than we think. Our own accounts of the nature and origin of the universe and based on the lore we have gotten. But who is to say that there isnt powers beyond the light and dark