So... About the 'PS5 Pro'...

[@LukeStephensTV]

LIKE 👍 the video or I'll make you pay for the power cable separately too...

[@Gulmanzo66]

Nah thats crazy😂

[@Clever_viper]

Soon they’ll create a “passively cooled” PS5 and sell us the fan for extra $100

[@sparquisdesade]

You know what crazy innovative idea they could have done with this that would have made the ps5 pro a ground breaking must have console for gamers? Suck it up an realize that consoles will never replace computers. Just cause you have a ps5, doesn't mean you won't also have a gaming computer. So design the PS5 pro to not only be a console but allow it to also act as an external GPU for any computer you own an connect to it via ethernet or thunderbolt. Could even build in that fancy tech that allows you to partition your gpu for multiple devices.

[@Trigger200284]

@@sparquisdesade No one wants that. There's also many technical problems with what you are suggesting. Japanese business men are OLDSCHOOL businessmen, even when they run progressive computer entertainment companies; they are out of touch, they are not hungry, they are overstuffed and fat with success and expect that to continue with unrealistic ideas of carrying year over year accelerated growth... This is what happens when consumers don't clue into what making a monster looks like and neglect any real foresight into what their actions will bring when they choose one brand unwaveringly.

[@leroux2343]

Bet that's just the basic as well. The improved cable with the power brick needed to get the "true power" of the console is probably still separate.

[@denerribeiro5881]

The real big 3: 1 - $700 2 - No disk drive 3 - No Stand

[@skinwalkers1516]

no games

[@JimBobm]

2 -$80

[@JimBobm]

3- $30

[@JimBobm]

Extra

[@tehCostHD]

2TB internal SSD though. That’s not nothing

[@Retrox1989]

Bringing out a PS5 Pro for a catalog of games that are mostly PS4 remasters is wild.

[@CaryScheming]

@@Mcjesus97yup, have owned ps5 since launch. The developers constantly making backwards compatible games for the ps4 is killing us. Theres no PS5 games!! It is nice having one but its been a letdown if we being real.

[@droprelease4820]

Theres been a few new ones! But not as many at all compared to the last gens. But been enjoying Spiderman, FF16 and Rebirth/Remake, Astro Bot, Ratchet and Clank etc

[@hotdogmanful]

The controller also sucks donkey rocks

[@tlothompson6935]

People literally bought a PS5 to play a better version of PS4 games. People are now buying the PS5 Pro to play those SAME games in even higher quality. Consoles are literally just turning into the equivalent of upgrading a PC. No games to go along with it. Just spending a lot of money to play the same games in better quality.

[@BrokenMessiah1]

@@tlothompson6935 People seem to think we are still in the PS2/Ps3 era where each iteration of console is completely different than the last

[@thierrys85]

800 Euros. And they couldn't even include a tiny piece of plastic. Beyond absurdity.

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

Remember the $999 Apple Pro Monitor stand a while back? That's where all of this is going

[@Kloudthedon]

@@GeorgeNoiseless The ps5 pro is not for everyone just like ps4 pro was not for everyone it only had 14% or 20% of the market in 2020 by time the ps5 2 year came around the ps4 pro had a 40% market due to price dropping Sony isn't concerned about public opinion-they know they'll secure that 14% profit again. That's exactly why they made this move. I heard the same complaints when the PS4 Pro launched, and it was only $100 more. Back then, people were hesitant to buy it too.

[@getting_Started]

PS5 was 500€ at launch with stand and disk drive. PS5 pro will be 950€ at launch with stand and disk drive. ($1047) That’s a 90% increase is price for an alleged 45% increase in performance 4 years later! Moore’s law definitely failed this one. The weirdest part is they didn’t show us what to do with it. They failed to show a single game I haven’t finished already.

[@TheProrage509]

In parts of America it’s 800$ for the sole console. Get the outta here with that trash.

[@Kloudthedon]

@@TheProrage509woah its $750 with tax u mean maybe $730

[@dany_fg]

this is "batteries not included" on a whole other level

[@fishnutz5196]

Those were the good days bro

[@donstarlancer]

😂😂

[@SteelSquishy]

Capitalism is amazing isn't it

[@machodgdon]

To put it into perspective the PS4 Pro was 400 dollars while the PS5 Pro is 700, with the vertical stand and disc drive sold separately so will probably reach closer to 900. Absolutely insane

[@azuln.3760]

I literally got my ps4 pro like a year or two after release for $250 and still ran into several of the issues the base ps4 had. The $700 price tag on this is fucking ridiculous. Just the fact that I had to replace my Liquid Metal exactly the same with my ps5 as I did with the ps4 tells me these consoles are worth no more than $100 extra for each new generation. “Next generation” yet I still need to do the same maintenance to fix the same problems the last gen had.

[@GazJrpg]

It's even more expensive if you live anywhere that isn't the USA...

[@jaioncebollero1168]

@@azuln.3760and on top of all that they’ll announce ps6 in like 3 years anyway. Massive waste of money, almost 900 I’d rather put towards a pc

[@NostalgiaNet8]

Just trade in your PS4?

[@Tacitus_kilgore_1903]

858.60

[@madr0x]

The no disc drive is just wild. I say this as someone who only really plays digital. A "pro" version should be the absolute best version of a piece of Tech and that would include a disc drive.

[@FlashGladd]

Exactly!!

[@bliglum]

It's not that wild when you look at the far-leftist push for the people to "Own nothing, and be happy"

[@TheExecutorr]

being able to have my games on Disc is why I still liked playing on console during the PS4 era, even though at that time I already had a good PC and played the majority of games there. I was ok with a slightly cheaper only digital version existing, as an option for those who only play digital anyhow. But if it's the default I see no reason to own a console anymore.

[@ronaldocruz4594]

Right? Like this would've made kinda sense to cost $700 if it had all of that and maybe a game or 2 but the fact it's just a digital console without stand and disc drive is wild. Does it have a controller or its sold separately too? 😭

[@stevendunnuck]

my PC Pro works great without a disc drive

[@argentbrav0]

Sony looked at the failure of Concord and said: one way or another, those mfers are gonna pay for it. and set the price for ps5 pro

[@ceejay_gaming9636]

It really pisses me off how they cancelled other projects and prioritised Concord who the fuck does that ?

[@RazielTheUnborn]

​@@ceejay_gaming9636Rumored leak, one project was Infamous x Prototype.

[@mattbrown9631]

lmfao yup

[@toren2099]

LMAOOO

[@Redfield8684]

@@ceejay_gaming9636Nobody knows,maybe there are spies in Sony lmao😏

[@bloodsky7930]

Xbox admitting defeat is the sole reason as to why sony has gotten so greedy now. They NEED competition.

[@SamNaj-i3r]

Their competition is pc we are 1 gpu generation away from affordable 165fps 4k gaming on AAA titles without upscaling something which playstation could never do

[@drcox012]

​@@SamNaj-i3ryeah sure you're right but anybody who has spent any money on a console could be told PCs are gonna get 270fps 8k games and would still play consoles due to tribalism.

[@anthonysantiago4117]

​@@SamNaj-i3rno competition their studios make all the cool games so you can eventually play them on your PC with your fancy GPU and gaming cards whenever they decide to port it over to you guys 😂 They are one GPU away from streaming games like a full time service. They will be the Netflix of gaming. With all the advances in your normal household TV's some of which perform better than gaming monitors you can kind of see the direction it's going sorry bud. They are turning themselves into an eco system like Apple. It's a takeover.

[@1080ilowres]

​​@@anthonysantiago4117are you saying Sony will exit console hardware? The moment they release their exclusives on PC at the same time as their PlayStation it's gonna cannibalize their sales.

[@anthonysantiago4117]

@@1080ilowres yes it will be a lot cheaper for them to make one final piece of hardware kind of like a cable box vs countless units every few years or so with expensive parts in them firmware updates and that's it bingo sucks right😭

[@SSJ_EWGF]

$700 for a slightly less pixelated background is crazy...

[@Cheeks730]

Fellow GT fan?!

[@Stargazing_night_sky]

​@Mojaveknight17 no it's a valid complaint. This new ps5 system seems trash

[@Dovarcraft]

Yeah, the difference is minimal

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

@@Stargazing_night_skyhow is it trash it’s the same as a regular ps5 but better not Sony fault you don’t understand hardware and big boy words

[@fseiba6718]

800 euro for europians which is just mental....

[@CarolinaSportz]

This is why we need Xbox to get their sh¡t together. Playstation has gotten waaaaay too comfortable on top.

[@makotonarukami7468]

I don't have an Xbox, but even I agree with you. Competition is great, and what's funny is by the time a PS6 gets released, its going to be $599 in order to compete with the next Xbox God willing.

[@rustcohle7658]

Seriously I knew right when Xbox accepted defeat in the “console war”, Sony would get cocky

[@Luke973T]

Meanwhile they are selling the series x for 600 bucks

[@Trojeans]

Xbox is basically forfeiting, letting most of their games Multiplatform or most games coming 1 year early on Xbox

[@Tracerbullet328]

@@Luke973Tthe series X is $479 on Amazon right now

[@flamingburitto]

If they didn't specifically tell me, I wouldn't have even noticed that the image on the ps5 pro is "more crisp". Because, and this might be a surprise to you Sony, people actually MOVE in their games while playing. No one just stands still and looks at the damn grass.

[@MJ-revered]

I do and many people like to take pretty pictures in game.

[@ATLsF1N3ST91]

​@MJ-revered You are in the VAST minority. Outnumbered anywhere between 100x-500x. So marketing a "new" $700 disc-less console to that minority, would be like marketing Concord to a competitive hero shooter base for $40...

[@MJ-revered]

@@ATLsF1N3ST91 Oh there are many gamers who frequently use Photo Mode and That's more than half of us, not 1 in 500 you like to claim.

[@Derbearltd]

I’ll stop and take a gander from time to time but I get what ya mean.

[@Sierraone1]

moving will not make you not see details. lol

[@primeobjective5469]

PS-6 2028 1.$1200 2. No Power Cord 3. No Disk Drive 4. No stand 5. No controller 6. No HDMI cable

[@AlaskanGamerGuy]

No physical media period is what I'm predicting. They're probably going to try to buy Steam and get out of the console business.

[@agasthya9128]

Probably gonna sell apps and features like photo gallery, record/stream/screenshot, media player.

[@AdamSabir1]

7. No Operating System

[@Icipher353]

Price confirmed to be $1199 in Australia. Sony can fuck all they way off!!!

[@Neb_Raska]

Without disk drive?

[@Icipher353]

@@Neb_Raska yes. Drive is separate.

[@danLTa1]

​@Icipher353 what is a disc drive mate

[@jblrules316]

$1379.95 in New Zealand

[@Neb_Raska]

@@Icipher353 I'll be damned

[@shadcast]

The PS5 Pro is the console they promised us the PS5 would be. Then when there’s a slight price drop and people decide to buy it in 2 years, they’ll announce the PS6 that will definitely have 4K VRR, making it the console we all have been waiting for. This is not worth $700, that’s freaking crazy.

[@socratese5]

I was planning on buying it but now I know I wont and just want to give them the middle finger, seriously no disc drive or stand GOH

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

They are conditioning the public to accept paying $700 for the PS6. The idiots already accepted the $600 entry price for the PS5, $70 for games at launch + DLCs... hell, either you people take a stand now or the hobby is going to implode

[@chuy3840]

I remember i got an invite to buy a ps5 5 months after release, i bought the ps5 and then set my sights on a LG OLED tv to keep up with the ps5's marketed "120 fps." I have yet to see most games run at 120 frames per second on the ps5. I bought the ps vr2, dualsense edge, and the portal. Those are some useful and fair products at their price points. The vr2 only is useful for gran turismo 7 as it really is a whole new experience racing with the vr2. The dualsense edge is a 10/10 indestructable beast. Portal is okay but could be better. If the ps5 pro had 90 fps locked in for performance mode id buy it but not with what theyre promising which isnt even 60fps locked in.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

@@chuy3840 The portal is not useful and fair, c'mon now. A glorified Wii-U screen. Did you know you could buy a unlocked Switch even cheaper and it can "mirror" the PS5 just fine? Yep

[@socratese5]

@@RRRRRRRRR33 what do you think is already happening?

[@zapermunz]

The whole things just reeks of corpo dumbassery. I really want Sony to get held to the flames like they deserve by the gaming community. Not only do they have the audacity to spike the price high but on top of that they removed key elements of a console to sell separately to make the price EVEN higher. WHO'S bright idea was it to remove the disk drive and sell it separate for 80 dollars?! ESPECCIALLY with the whole right-to-own controversy that Sony is embroiled in in regards to digital purchases. This has just reached batshit levels of unthinkable, that this kind of thing must've passed many desks leading up the reveal. And the cherry on top of this cake is the fact that there are basically no games for the PS5 to even warrant a stronger console. Sony just pushed their playerbase into becoming PC gamers, hilarious!

[@sleepingboyxx]

Console is not profitable. Both sony and microsoft are moving towards PC gamers. Steam is the future.

[@Nesdude42]

With Monster Hunter Wilds being cross play, I might just upgrade my computer and get it on PC instead. Obviously a PC is a much more robust system vs a PS5. It's just more bang for my buck. I can already play PS5 games on the original model.

[@Bloopergrandson1]

why would i spend $700 for a console when i can buy a GPU that trashes on Ps5 performance like the 4070 Super or 7900XT. Just $100 more u can get 4070 Ti Super, have Sony lost their minds?😂

[@Spazza42]

No Sony, here's the big 3: 1. It's $700. 2. The reveal showed off PS4 games because there's no PS5 titles. 3. None of the 'Pro' features we (as gamers) would expect, aren't included.

[@Messijesse324]

$1,199 AUD. Fuck that. I'm good playstation. I really like the sound of the combined graphic mode, but for $1,200, I might as well just get a PC.

[@thefilmdirector1]

you can get exatly what i have- 5700x3d, 7700xt 12gb, 32gb 3600 ram, X570 board, 750 watt corsair psu, toss some cheap SSD's in there and you are off to the races with better perf than the pro for less money (im in canada and my rig without a case should be about 1250)

[@Zy.Blurish]

@@thefilmdirector1 that's actually a really good build but i think it might be better to go with a am5 cpu instead of am4 for future proofing especially if you get a brand new pc so you don't have to get a new motherboard if you want to upgrade to a new cpu

[@PREC0GNITAVE]

$1397.95 here in NZD - without stand and drive. Or $2.05 less than 2x PS5 Slims haha

[@GrySgtBubba]

​@@Zy.BlurishAMD has already announced months ago they're coming out with new AM4 chips...4 or 5 of em, that some compare to AM5 mid-range chips. So AM4 is future proofing as well. That'll serve you well for like 6-7yrs. Even 5yrs...still well worth. And you'd be swapping new boards then anyway.

[@Zy.Blurish]

@@GrySgtBubba to be honest i hope you are correct because i am on am4 myself but there is obviously a limit that am4 chips can reach so even if that's true would it not be better to just get am5 right away and have even longer longevity? I mean either way i think am5 is still the better choice in the long run if you want to build a pc even if am4 gets a longer life there are still performance limits while am5 just began it's lifespan and will be the newest platform for amd's new cpus for the foreseeable future

[@N7Null]

The recent news from Playstation is pretty funny. - Shut down Concord after 2 weeks - Leadership openly says "We don't have any IP" - Announce new version of their current console that boasts better graphical fidelity at a ridiculous price - Increase the price of their base controller without addressing the stick drift problems All of this occurs at the same time Astro Bot releases aka their highest scoring PS5 exclusive that pays homage to the vast history of Playstation IP over the years, doesn't require a super computer to play, and only costs $60.

[@TheUltimateRare]

Sony is getting L after L. and Praying there's enough Sony fanboys to save the company o:

[@azmodanpc]

Astro Boy costing 60 is not a great look. That’s the price of a “base” AAA release like Elden Ring…It’s a nice game but the price imho isn’t really attractive

[@ketanahire984]

Astro bot costing 60-70 dollars and is not even a AAA game just an indie game is really insane 💀

[@kamurotetsu4860]

Sony have had a really, really bad year. Don't forget they almost destroyed Helldivers 2 with the PSN login nonsense on PC.

[@nooneeey]

And still everyone is gonna bi. A PlayStation because of gta6

[@charlesfloyd1347]

$700 for a marginally improved console that's already in the 'latter stages of its life cycle' is absolutely absurd.

[@RDR911]

And it doesn’t have any fucking games 😂😂 NEITHER of them do! 😂

[@beachlife2968]

@@RDR911 Sony will probably be making a small profit on it so it's zero risk to them.

[@jesse1086]

​@@RDR911returnal, spiderman miles morales, ratchet and clank, gran turismo 7, God of War rganarok, horizon forbidden west, Spiderman 2, astrobot...not to mention the slew of console exclusives this year (ff7 rebirth, stellar blade, rise of ronin, black myth wukong...) this is sonys best start to a generation....ever.

[@jmass4207]

Some people say it’s too late, others too early. Nobody knows what they’re talking about methinks. The mid gen refresh is a dicey proposition all around - of the quintessential console pitfalls that highlights the superiority of PC.

[@thespeedracer5772]

​@@beachlife2968dude. They are going to make a killing on these consoles. All of the expenses that go into these things are majority up-front r&d, setting up factory machine lines, labor talent expenses, etc. All of that has already been paid for, about a million fucking times over. This is a cash grab.

[@clanpsi]

In Japan, it's essentially $1200. WTF are they on?

[@dynamite215]

Buggin

[@jibjibs9401]

No it’s not. Yen to dollars is 845.61, still more expensive but not like that

[@Torchwick109]

Yen is very different to US currency, for example I think a can from a vending machine is something like 250 Yen, if you want a good idea of the difference look up how much Yen is equal to $1

[@HaohmaruHL]

It's crazy considering the low to average monthly wage is around $1700 right now due to weak yen. Even considering that despite the lower wages you are left with more money on your hands after taxes, compared to the US. But still, it's too expensive. My only reason to even consider saving for it would be the announcement of Bloodborne 2, which I doubt will ever happen. What do they want me to buy ps5 pro for? Would help if they gave us an insensitive or two to buy it. So far there's zero.

[@Caninemuffin766]

PS4 pro gave us 4k PS5 pro gives us slightly better background textures, costs $700, no disc drive, “vertical stand sold separately”. What the heck? They only JUST stopped making their games playable on the PS4. Let’s see what the PS5 can actually do before making absolutely HORRID decisions like this.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

Fr by the time the ps4 pro came around we had titles that really tested the ps4s limits so that upgrade was needed because the jump from pa3 graphics and worlds to late ps4 graphics was huge. But since the ps5 release there hasn't been a game that upgraded from the graphics of like tlou2. And performance wise spiderman 2 ran at 60fps no frame drops with raytracing and no loading times. What do we need a pro for? Is the loading time for fast travel gonna go from 1 second to .9? Am I gonna see the outline of graphity 300 meters away slightly better? That doesn't warrant that price

[@ryans413]

PS4 pro gave us fake 4K but it was still 4k. Faster CPU clock speed an extra 1gb of ram to help with the lag on the Home Screen. An extra USB port on the back. Boost mode and supersampling and they redesigned the light bar on the controller. PS5 Pro here’s some extra textures at 60fps.

[@djnes2k7]

It was just as bad in retrospect though. Because they really had us just replay the game games we already played through. Which we justified, because it looked better…..which if your a single player is wild

[@Jay9966]

@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 Big sad and kinda relieved at the same time. I just got my PS5 this year. Seems like it'll be good for a couple more years easily.

[@RirimoYT]

The 4K on the PS4 Pro was upscaled for 4K TV's whereas the standard PS5 has native 4K. For the PS5 Pro they better make it so that we can play in fidelity 60 fps or 120 fps on performance for all games.

[@Brammen007]

$1059.98 Canadian with the disk drive... Insanity.

[@FrakBeats]

Or stand even lol

[@Worick_]

Taking us all for fools

[@ChiangKai-Shrek]

At that price you might as well build a PC if you care about resolution that much

[@epzo]

for us its 1600 which is doubled than usd

[@brandname6]

And thats probably before the 20% taxes

[@califaern3sto]

Before the ps5 pro reveal, 30 fps was known as "cinematic". Now it is known as "choppy"

[@ryans413]

No that’s was before PS5 people were saying that

[@jeremiahjohnson2784]

Doom 1993 played at 35 fps...

[@ketanahire984]

@@jeremiahjohnson2784 And RDR 2 and Bloodborne will still be stuck at 30 fps.....

[@thegrouchization]

@@alexhein6054 There were games that played at 60FPS on the _SNES._

[@thegrouchization]

@@alexhein6054 Well, off the top of my head I know that the three Mega Man X games on the platform all ran at that framerate, and looking it up it was apparently the same for most 2D games.

[@joshsmith6995]

Who actually cares this much about graphics? We've honestly already peaked...

[@Perseus7567]

The more stupid thing is that they never bothered adjusting the prices fairly for different regions. They've priced it at $700, but also at £700. £700 converted to USD is $916. We'd be paying $916 for the base console with no options, whilst the US pays $700 for it. For the console, stand and disk drive we'll have to pay the equivalent to $1,112. Absolutely insane.

[@johndodo2062]

It is definitely insane but let's not act like pc players don't blow a thousand dollars to get 20 more frames CONSTANTLY

[@riva2003]

The price in USD is without VAT tho. In UK and other parts of the world, VAT is usually priced in.

[@TomCamies]

@@riva2003true it’s still a little pricey though compared to the rest of the world 20% of 700 is £140 so without vat it would be £560 which is $730. The disc drive is even worse being $80 in the states and £100 in the UK. We’re always being shafted. Can’t believe I lived to see the day when a games console cost £800.

[@aimeerobidoux7635]

I'm grateful every day that I'm a PC only player. I can wait 10-12 years to upgrade my pc, for it then to be good for another 10-12 years. And if I'm patient enough all the Playstation exclusives I'd want to play come to PC anyway.

[@laurence1211]

@@TomCamies This isn't right, it's worse, you convert from usd to gbp first. Then account for the tax before converting back. It works out about $773 for the pro....

[@The-Maximus-]

PS5 Disc - € 450,00 PS5 Pro w/ Disc/stand - € 910,00 Yeah fuck that....

[@leospeedleo]

You’re math is wrong. Console: 800 Disc drive: 120 Stand: 30 Total: 950

[@AnthonyJones-ge1mb]

Lmfao

[@saxxa88]

​@@leospeedleomore than that when you figure in the tax lmaooo 😂

[@SAIIIURAI]

So ppl are rushing out buying disc drives ey, so they can get this wonderful deal! And scalpers will go crazy too i heard at another channel!...pls don't fall for this lies!

[@iLegionaire3755]

$200 Dual-Sense Playstation 5 controller is also sus as fuck.

[@ProfessionalRacist007]

The cost isn't the problem. It's the offering in return of the cost that's the problem. This ain't the PS6/PS7, is the PS5pro really giving us such a significant quantum jump that it warrants 700/800 dollars price tag? The answer is no. I mean who tf zooms in 10x on their game while playing it? Who cares if the background grass is pixelated a lil bit. This company is really focusing on the most irrelevant things out there. Just goes to show how out of touch they have become this generation, especially after the Concord incident

[@HelminatorTV]

facts Shinji

[@MeggaMann_theBlueLion]

Facts

[@LilLou97]

The first sentence says “the cost isn’t the problem” and then you say “it’s the return for the price” So the cost *IS* the problem huh?

[@O.C.P_officer77]

What do you mean, Concord is the game of this year. It’s truly GOTY contender 😂 probably the best PlayStation game ever made

[@O.C.P_officer77]

@@LilLou97 what are you confused about? Their saying $700 isn’t the problem. It’s what you get in return for $700 is the problem

[@cryptical7395]

The fact that the pro model does not come with a disk drive is not very professional

[@DarthNinjaYT]

by far the worst part of this is selling it in Europe for €800. that’s almost $900 USD which makes zero sense considering that it’s retailing for $700.

[@nosliojful]

In Brazil it is estimated to cost something like R$ 7.000,00. To put it into perspective, the minimum wage in Brazil is R$ 1.412,00 per month.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

Conversion bro its the same amount everywhere but different currency is worth more or less in other countries. 1 dollar and 1 euro isn't the same

[@Ubermensch_Salazar2]

Its 940€ more or less if you add the disc drive and then stand.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

@@Ubermensch_Salazar2 jeez bro that's 2 new ps5s lol that isn't be worth it

[@ryans413]

In Canada after you buy the disc drive and stand your looking at 850 dollars.

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

With how badly X box has been fumbling they literally had 1 path to failure and like 49 paths to success yet they pick 1 path to failure lmao.

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

Not Sonys fault your broke

[@Dovarcraft]

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS Stop being a mindless fanboy

[@Midnight93933]

It’s because Xbox fumbling that they could take any path

[@jimmyv3170]

Xbox: the best I can do is.............buy call of Dookie and own everything

[@shadxwslash44]

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS I'm sorry to break it to you, but if people find better ways to spend their money, they will spend it elsewhere instead of chucking $882 (in the EU) in the bin for a slightly less pixelated background and 5 extra blades of grass. With that kind of money you could buy: 3-4 dinners at a fancy restaurant for 5 people A pair of designer shoes (Gucci, Dior, Balenciaga, Burberry, etc.) A designer sweater / hoodie / shirt 2 designer T-shirts 9 Hugo Boss T-shirts 6 Hugo Boss jeans A 3-piece Boss suit with a Boss formal shirt and a tie set with a standard tie, a bow-tie and a pocket square A Boss leather jacket and a piece of clothing of your choice 6 Nike shoes (at least) a very good electric guitar from Ibanez, Fender, Epiphone etc. Snowboard / Ski equipment for a beginner a higher-end Seiko watch 2 Ferrari shares 11 copies of GTA VI

[@shane1489]

Stand not included is a slap in the face. It’s a few cents worth of plastic🤷‍♂️

[@scottsummers4154]

“ Do you Like The Last of us 2?” “ Well, f**k you dude! Play that sh*t again” lol.

[@ketanahire984]

Buy PS5 Pro to witness Ellie and Dina kissing scene in 4k better texture and quality on TLOU 2 Remastered for 69th time 🤡

[@Haterator]

Play The Last of Us 2 and pause the game once in a while to zoom in and experience the power of the PS5 Pro!

[@keiichi8191]

@@ketanahire984 Now you can more clearly see the individual blood splatters as Joel's corpse is desecrated!

[@Jaitea35]

I do that anyway…. lol so I guess I’m ahead of the game, no pun intended

[@J.R.Swish1]

So basically, PS5 Pro is Performance and Fidelity mode at the same time. Which means that in terms of visuals and excluding frame rate, the original PS5 will be able to produce the exact same image of a PS5 Pro but at less frames. So for those (like me) who are okay with playing on Performance mode and don’t really care for the differences obtained by playing in Fidelity mode, don’t buy the PS5 Pro. Simple. There’s nothing “new” that we haven’t seen before here.

[@ryans413]

Your right the base PS5 will do the same as the Pro PS5 but with some limitations like 30fps in Fidelity mode and blurry objects in Performance mode. But really you won’t notice it once you start playing a game it’s such a small upgrade. Some people are still using the PS5 on 1080p TVs so the Fidelity mode won’t really show much because they can’t display 4k.

[@mobious01]

Well it was the same with ps4….

[@ketanahire984]

And PS4 Pro does the same too.....

[@ForiamStudios]

Yep- there’s no difference with performance on PS5. I like a visually stunning game in which I’ll stop every now and then and look at the surroundings, but this is hardly any difference and ps5 is gorgeous already. I’m not going to be squinting to look at all the details in the distance while I’m swinging fast in the city, throwing my axe at a giant snake or platforming to save my bot buddies.

[@okocha971]

Don’t forget that more and more games are struggling to have a consistent 60 fps (Black Myth, FF 7 Rebirth, Outlaws,…). The PS5 PRO is also supposed to deal with that.

[@SSJ_EWGF]

This obsession with graphics above actually providing fun games actually scratch that, just _any games in general_ is dooming this industry man holy shit, we are cooked... AND ITS $700 TOO! WITH NO DISK DRIVE

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

There are plenty of games I’ve played rise of ronin steller blade final fantasy rebirth which was the highest rated game until Astro bot another game came out

[@FrakBeats]

And they cheaped out on a stand. 😅

[@sirirond1990]

Well should've thought about that 2 gens ago when people where buying cods and acs because pretty games and letting the good fun games to die, that's why even tho they fuck up sometimes, out of the 3 mains I will always support nintendo

[@FrakBeats]

@@sirirond1990 it’s funny man. I have way more fun and spend more time playing indie games than triple A’s as of the last 2 years. I don’t even need the upgrade.

[@sirirond1990]

@@FrakBeats that's the cool part about having options too! I never bought a ps4 pro, in fact I acted as it didn't existed lmao, same with the switch oled, but for the people that have the money and wants it, then it's a good thing

[@_Kaurus]

There is no CPU upgrade, because the original GPU was so bad that it didn't even cap the Zen2 CPU, and same with this rendition. That does not bode well.

[@1080ilowres]

Yes and No. The original ps5 gpu was bad BUT when you play at higher resolutions the CPU doesn't need to work as hard and the load bears more on the GPU instead so it makes sense to prioritise the gpu. Regardless this console is basically a ps5 with a better gpu slapped in and the disk drive and stand removed. Rip off...

[@vandanpatel1805]

Hard to justify purchasing a console anymore if these are the differences they’re marketing. As a lifelong console gamer, PC is looking more and more sensible

[@Dollarshop]

As both a console and PC gamer I stop buying console since last gen . There is really no difference except in price. But with the current trend the price gap difference is closing.

[@Spongemonkey26]

Honestly the only reason why someone shouldn't go PC at this point is the price of entry for a good system, but even a mediocre system can run most games.

[@FabioGrenkh]

@@Spongemonkey26 It’s just too complicated man. Building it, all the different parts (not being compatible with each other etc.), much higher error potential (I might electrocute myself or set the house on fire trying to build a PC lmao), getting errors and bluescreens and what not and not knowing the reasons etc. etc. On top of that I want to play on a 4K TV on the couch, that’d be another problem. Just plugging in the console and being ready to go is waaaaay easier. But at this point a PC seems inevitable… Oh, what to do

[@VaunShiz]

PC is even more expensive and a worse experience, needing 100 different launchers to play games that have to update almost every day , the ghetto way a lot of GPU manufacturers update their drivers and how it makes things worse sometimes, dealing with windows , etc

[@FabioGrenkh]

@@VaunShiz Exactly my thought

[@LQC13]

We should have more PLAYSTATION 5 games, before anything else

[@Piaz1n]

Bro, in Brazil it will cost, proportionally, 7k dollars because every hardware sold here is 10 times more expensive. Today the standard PS5 costs about 3k dollars, proportionally. Literally people here will pay about 5 minimum wages in this sh*t. PS: the BRL minimal wage in Brazil is kinda proportional to USD minimal wage in US, about 1.5k per month. This is why I mentioned 7k and 3k dollars, to simplify the understanding, because to those who live in Brazil that's the cost in BRL, and considering that we earn in BRL and the standard PS5 costs today BRL 3.5k at a minimal wage of BRL 1.5k/month. When the PS5 pro launches, it'll probably cost about BRL 7k. In other words: BR minimal wage = BRL 1,412/mo US minimal wage = about USD 1,500/mo PS5 pro in Brazil = BRL 7,000 PS5 pro in US = USD 700

[@FA-M-S]

Só quem for burro vai comprar essa versão Pro, a única coisa que motivaria alguém a comprar isso seria o GTA 6, e olha que ainda há chances dele nem ser lançado ano que vem

[@gowary]

Is that minimum wage per day?

[@Gabriel27M]

@@gowary Month

[@xFoxDeath]

forçou na conversão

[@Cuestrupaster]

@@FA-M-S Eu vou garantir pra você que GTA 6 só sai em 2026.

[@kenshin391]

The real 007 0-Disc Drive 0- New Games $700

[@Felled-angel]

The only upside is scalpers are going to be stuck with them 😂

[@jlcmiles]

Yep... 2k for a mid-gen console with no bells and whistles.

[@Spongemonkey26]

Ugh scalpers are the worst part of every hobby.

[@mobious01]

Why do people care about scalpers

[@AMan-xz7tx]

@@mobious01 have you been living under a rock for the past 5 years? Why do you think PS5s went out of stock and shot up in price at release? same shit happens with computer components and other consoles, it's gonna keep happening and everyone else is worse off for it

[@xlr555usa]

The economy is in the dumps, no one is going to buy these consoles with inflated prices

[@NakulKrishna]

More and more it’s made clear how detached from reality these guys are. Astrobot showed us that the full power of the ps5 hasn’t even been maximised and they’re advertising literal ps4 games for this console. Get your priorities straight Sony, you’re tripping.

[@chrismoore4724]

The hardware has already been maxed out

[@lucasLSD]

That hardware is maxed lol, since the PS4 those consoles are just AMD APUs, they are closed PCs, they aren't some bizarre chipset that few people understand, there's no "THE POWER OF THE CELL" here.

[@felipecouto9726]

800 euros + 30 euro stand +80 euro for disk. (Im in italy) We above 900 euro. This is INSANE pricing for no real advancement. I run out of words on how to explain how absurd this price tag is. This console is doa.

[@nagolici3206]

and italy has less than half of usa gdp per capita + euro is worth more than usd. sony really went hard on europeans

[@kaiko70]

No brother, not 80€, but 120€ for disk drive in italy, so it's 920€ WITHOUT the stand.

[@nagolici3206]

@@koschmx i bought ps3 in 2013 (at the end of its era), and then ps4 in 2020 (also at the end of its era). so i can then play the best games already released for much cheaper. but it would be cool to have all new stuff

[@mucknstrunz]

​​@@koschmx umm Last i checked i paid 499 € for my ps5 disc on Launch. Itsstill more than 499 Dollars but the pricetag IS the Same. Same with all other consoles. This is definetly a Sony Thing. 200 Dollars difference between Europe and us

[@mucknstrunz]

@@koschmx we are talking about playstation consoles tho 😂. soo not so normal isit?

[@HArryvajonas]

This generation of consoles was not a big enough leap. The Ps5 Pro is the power Ps5 should have been at launch. The focus on 4k was a huge mistake ( PS5 Pro still won'thandle 4k games at 60fps). I think more progress could have been made in overall game design if the devs targeted 1080p with all the bells and whistles.

[@Equalzer]

Sony is completely oblivious to how much they are already competing with budget PCs... They're in for a rude awakening.

[@the-insomniac323]

i actually feel they have nothing to worry about. i wont lie

[@Equalzer]

@@the-insomniac323 Enough wallet warriors paying any price? It's possible.

[@jasonbuksh2958]

They will be monitoring it closely - I’m not sure you can get aPC to perform at the same price point

[@RKNGL]

​@@the-insomniac323 This is PS3 logic, massive overpricing lost them the race against the X360 handedly.

[@mariofeared]

To be quite honest, a custom built PC can get high. Especially if you want similar performance. With that said, though, the margin is getting incredibly slim. If Sony had a stellar lineup, I could even see them being able to pull it off. But right now, it's ludicrous.

[@BadgerOff32]

The fact that it's priced at 699.99 in both the US and the UK is baffling! Because.....you know, our CURRENCIES HAVE DIFFERENT VALUES!! As of right now, £700 in England is equivalent to 915 American Dollars. Yet $700 is equivalent to £535. So essentially, over in England, we're basically being asked to pay over $900, yet if we were to buy a PS5 Pro directly from America, it's 'only' £535. It's like Sony don't understand what 'exchange rates' are.

[@abaivovin2726]

The tax is included in UK price. If you bought it in US and imported it you would still have to pay the duty/tax. US prices don't include any sales tax which gets added when you buy it.

[@darkmaster539]

​@abaivovin2726 the US does not pay that much tax. The highest is 12.5% which puts it at $789. The uk and are paying over the odds here.

[@amelieoresky884]

​@@darkmaster539 that's always the case, iphone usually starts (or started) at 999. The US paid that plus the taxes depending on state, so the listed price is before taxes. Any EU price is going to show taxes included and it's higher because we have higher taxes.

[@darkmaster539]

@@amelieoresky884 UK tax is nowhere near that much higher. You add 20% and we're still paying over the odds on this one.

[@guerrero520]

“hErE aRe ThE pRiCeS aDjUsTed 4 iNfLaTiOn” to whoever said that, most people’s wages haven’t appropriately adjusted for it, people have less buying power now. This price really hurts the wallet.

[@SingularMeatball]

No one would have acted crazy if it was 550$-600$(WITH A DISC DRIVE) but 200$ price jump for 2 TB and a slight graphical update crazy

[@SSJ_EWGF]

Sony really got everyone up here at 11am, hyped up their overpriced router, threw around a bunch of tech bro terms, gassed up their footage as proof on how much mjch of a huge upgrade it is to the base PS5, _and then proceeded to show almost just cinematic cutscenes of already released games..._

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

Or when it comes out see the benchmark see actual real players playing them if that still doesn’t satisfy you stick with the regular one what where people expecting it’s a mid console refresh not a next gen console

[@ProtocolAbyss]

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDSain’t no way lil bro is out here coping over a plastic box in each comment😂😂😂

[@Zy.Blurish]

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS shouldn't we expect them to provide us with reliable and informative information or are you just so used to this corporate bs that you don't even demand some kind of standard anymore?

[@FOHaab]

​​@@ISGAMINGFORNERDSPeople were expecting a price point that makes sense for a minor console refresh. That's what they were expecting.

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

@ssj4922 Even if ps5 plus somehow bamboozle us with actually being worth the price, it ain't getting away from getting the worst presentation/announcement/trailer of 2024 title. This video was so mid that ps5 plus just looks like a scam.

[@NicholasKnupp]

Remember back in 2006, when people thought the PS3 was overpriced, and Sony had some difficult years, until they learned how to be more humble? What happened ? Did both Sony forget the lesson and people forget how to teach them that ?

[@Perseus7567]

Yeah.. the Sony fanboys gotta "stick it to Xbox" no matter the, apparently literal, cost. Standing on principles? What are those? Their only principle is to make it outsell Xbox. This has always been the appeal of Xbox, at least in my opinion. Sure, maybe it has slightly lower framerate, sure maybe some years it has less games or a couple slightly graphically worse games, but the Xbox consoles have always been so much cheaper than their PS counterpart, and I think that's why Xbox fans love getting Xboxes so much.. you just get more for your money. PS1 Price: $300 // PS2 Price: $300 // Xbox Price: $300 PS3 Price: $600 // Xbox 360 Price: $400 PS4 Price: $400 // Xbox One Price: $500 PS5 Price: $500 // Xbox Series X/S Price: $500/$300 Aside from the stupidity of Xbox's foray in to the Kinnect (which they somehow thought justified being $100 more than PS4), Xbox has often been cheaper than the PS - and you really don't lose that much for it, not as much as the hardcore Sony fanboys would want you to think anyway. I think the ball is very much in Xbox's court now. Of course, they've already done their mid-gen refresh but if they were being smart, they'd definetely look in to making sure the next-gen console, or any future this-gen updates, are significantly cheaper. Then again, Microsoft are also a greedy corporation, so I don't expect too much.

[@LiveEnd06]

No, PC's started becoming a dominant force in gaming and often cost 1000 dollars for a mid-high end build. PS5 Pro is meant to compete with PC, it's really as simple as that

[@Juanguar]

@@LiveEnd06LMFAO no one in their right mind would pick a console over a pc at 700$ You’re insane if you think it can compete

[@LiveEnd06]

@@Juanguar Good luck finding a $700 PC that does what the Pro does then 😂😂 any decent PC that will do what the pro does will cost more, but it's alright, keep spouting "just buy a PC", ignorance is bliss I suppose

[@Juanguar]

@@LiveEnd06 keep buying your Sony slop until it reaches 1500$

[@Braylon1997]

$700 for the Pro, $80 for the disc drive, & $30 for the vertical stand. That’s almost $900 for everything.

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

You don’t need that stand and it’s pointless if your still buying disc I bet the next generation will not have a disc drive this is almost like a test

[@boitmecklyn4995]

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS they're clearly pushing to invalidate discs and get people into buying games off PSN for exhorbitant prices that you probably can't refund easily like you can on steam

[@Tacitus_kilgore_1903]

​@WeKNOWTHETRUTHITSUNDISTPUTED Take the day off from being a fanboy. This pos isn't worth 550

[@Frank-kq4te]

810 isn't almost 900 tho

[@Pawndaunt]

A PC for that much could blow it out of the water if you shopped around for the parts. Even if you budgeted to have Geek Squad or someone build it for you.

[@RogueZR1]

The real thing that pissed me off was having the stand sold separately. That made my full on yell at my phone in the middle of work.

[@timallanmusic]

$1400 for a ps5 pro with disc drive for us Aussies. That is insane. There is no way

[@Perseus7567]

In the UK, our PS5 pro w/ drive and stand is equivalent to AUD$1668. Ain't no way you guys are actually getting something cheaper for once haha. You know their pricing is baffling when that happens lol

[@ProfessionalRacist007]

And they don't even have new games to showcase their "new hardware". You'd expect them to have like small extracts of GTA6 or Ghost of Tsushima 2 or Death Stranding 2 or like Wolverine gameplay to showcase their newer better hardware.Nope. They only have PS4/crossgen games lmaoo. 4 years into the generation they still don't have enough games they have to rely on 2020 games like TLOU2, GOT, Demon Souls, Ratchet etc. How pathetic they should probably focus on making more games before making new hardware if their situation is that bad

[@ConcavePgons]

It's funny that they can't even use Astro Bot to showcase it because that game is practically maxed out performance wise at 4k 60fps on base PS5 (and wouldn't make much of a difference on the Pro).

[@ketanahire984]

We got Astro Bot but its not gonna push limits of PS5 pro tho coz its not a heavy game and a triple A title it run fine on base PS5 as well Sony should release more games rather than consoles

[@Jardrin]

It's ironic that Astro bot just released that shows Sony has a lot of IPs on their hands, yet refuse to do anything with and even dare say that they "Don't have enough IPs"... This wouldn't be an issue if they actually spent time making smaller titles alongside their bigger ones.

[@kamurotetsu4860]

I suspect Concord was one of the games they were going to show and we all know how that utter disaster went.

[@lawnmanGman]

@@ConcavePgons someone needs to learn how to code, them physics on a ps4 pro? you joking? different cpu says hello

[@ryans413]

It just baffles my mind after 4 years the PS5 is still 500 dollars what the hell it can’t be all because of inflation I find it hard to believe that it’s corporate greed at this point. Like for 700 dollars they can’t even include the disc drive or the stand that just screams corporate greed because they know those are things people will want so turn 700 dollars into 800 it’s ridiculous.

[@LiquidfirePUA]

Apple does the same

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

I got a ps5 slim for 349usd used on ebay. (directly from sony's store there) and it runs fine. dont buy consoles new, its a waste.

[@Rampage1Rules]

​@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlwI agree , all my previous consoles have lasted 10years + and still work perfectly

[@johnyoung8745]

Seriously. I haven’t gotten a ps5 yet because I can’t justify a$500 price tag to play like 5 games I can’t play on ps4 that interest me. They could have done what they did with the ps4 pro launch: drop the price of base ps5 by like $100-150, and then price the ps5 pro at ps5 launch price or maybe $600 with a disc drive

[@BrklynnBabyy]

60 fps should be the standard by now and a 120 fps target should be the performance mode

[@nikolaig1]

144 should be standard for 1080 on all games

[@Jimmy-Vance]

In Germany, the PS5 Pro costs me 2 months' rent. Ain't gonna happen, friendo.

[@nathanfraudik5840]

In Brasil, it costs 6 month's rent 😢

[@abe6281]

2 months rent?! I think I wanna move to Germany now lol

[@Leonard.L.Church]

Amazing rent

[@GraveMemories]

​@@nathanfraudik5840brasil has been getting jipped on gaming consoles for decades. I feel bad for yall

[@LiveEnd06]

That's some cheap ass rent then lmao

[@ProfessionalRacist007]

Forget 30fps vs 60fps. We should be getting 90-120fps at this point. That should be the norm in the industry. Devs and executives at these companies doesn't get that people prefer core fluid gameplay over high definition pretty graphics

[@jambononi]

And you'd need to spend a lot more money for that. Look at the GPU market for PCs. Look at inflation in the economy and issues with chip manufacturing from COVID times. No way would you get that performance for $700. My pc that plays cyber punk at 120fps in 4k is £1500 with all the components... The GPU was £800 alone. This is just how much things cost now.

[@cxngo8124]

​@@jambononimy friend spend 1200 for a 7800x3d and 3070 with 32gb. You can get those results while paying 200 more than a ps5 pro

[@MeggaMann_theBlueLion]

And work on releasing games that are fully done with this gen

[@geordiejones5618]

Honestly I can't stand either of you. I'd take 30 FPS 1080p for the rest of my life if the depth of interaction and scope of detail improves. Both of those have inched forward in favor of polish and I'd rather see mechanics that actually feel next generation. All of you polish fans have ruined gaming progress.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

I think 90 to 120 fps is for PC gaming. Consoles would be too expensive. People that really want that performance will usually buy a PC. We don't want consoles going for 1.5 k

[@super_morto]

Imagine thinking that 30fps in 2024 is a good idea. The DreamCast ran @ 60fps...... However the tech has improved 10x fold. These companies have lost touch on reality.

[@dustin202]

Frames aren’t everything, I agree that when possible a higher fps is better, and modern consoles (that aren’t the switch) should almost always achieve those frame rates unless they aren’t optimized.

[@dragonfire5568]

The push for live services is possibly going to kill the industry(except Nintendo). These companies are TOO BIG to turn around fast enough. By “playing it safe”, they have almost guaranteed their own demise. Single player games are still the backbone of the industry as much as they want to believe otherwise.

[@rodrigogirao8344]

19:48 Inflation aside, consider: the PS1 launched for $300 when a decent PC cost $2000. Today, a good gaming PC costs roughly the same as a console. And a PC does so much more than gaming. That's the real competition.

[@LiveEnd06]

Yeah, and this is competing with PC, and considering your statement a modern PC would cost as much as a console: the PS5 Pro, because a PC that will do what the pro does will still cost ballpark a $1000, and even past that several hundreds over time for new components.

[@bellcross9985]

I actually disagree. I have medium PCs for my whole life and never had a problem playing most games. I might have missed some great games but i had others to keep me company.

[@LiveEnd06]

@@bellcross9985 That's besides the point, but good for you for at least having and enjoying your PC ✌️

[@rfigueiredomusic]

You know the worst? The dólar is cheaper than the Euro. And we Europeans have to pay 800€ which is like 150$ more. It’s CRAZY.

[@chazefez9625]

Ye i was wondering this too. What the fuck is that?

[@trismania]

Conversed it actually would be like 850$, its bad for Americans, but europeans are beyond f****d. Nobody in germany or europe would want to pay 800€ for a console, and to have the nerve to not include a disc drive and a friggen stand, is so beyond me im actually doubting its real. What did they think about Europeans?

[@kingdongwun1740]

+tax. So it is 950,81€ in Germany or 966,79€ in the Netherlands.

[@chazefez9625]

@@kingdongwun1740 ahahah what the actual fuck. What a joke. Was literally gonna buy it on release since i still need one. But for this price and these minor improvements. No thanks.

[@rfigueiredomusic]

@@kingdongwun1740 plus if you want it to be a física edition. You’ll have to spend another 150€ for the stand and disc reader🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@robhughes8323]

This PS5 pro and the iphone 16 pro which is pretty much identical to the iphone 15 pro is just showing that tech companies aren’t really able to push their tech as much anymore or are choosing not to so they can fleece their fan bases

[@Batman_83]

I believe you're right, there's not much more they can do technologically. The ps5 isn't even close to being pushed to its limits. There's not much difference between the iPhone 13 and iPhone 15.

[@tehCostHD]

The difference between ps5 and pro is MUCH greater than the difference between iPhones though be fr here

[@enyamouth69]

Law of diminishing returns maybe

[@Tekkas_GG]

​@@tehCostHDyet people have 0 issue buying the exact same phone every year that they already own. But seemingly seem to lose their mind over a console cheaper than an iphone that game out 4 years after the last version.

[@tehCostHD]

@@Tekkas_GG yeah I really don’t get it. And no one complains when a new 2000 dollar gpu releases. No one says “waste of money, my 2080 plays games just fine, nvidia is a dead company” like bruh I don’t understand

[@HelloThereUniverse]

over $800 for a ps5 pro? That's like building a decent enough gaming PC.

[@trenegade5441]

Then go build one. You don't need our permission. Perhaps someone else's, but not ours.

[@omnirhythm]

When 4K rolled out around 2012, I used to say it's 5 years too early. It looks like it's 15 years too early since it's still largely inaccessible or straight up unavailable without upscaling. Not to mention they're already pushing for 8k, ridiculous. Marketing needs to calm the fuck down and slow down.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

Just multiply it by 2 and ship it bois!!! Don’t worry about the adoption metrics it’s just fake news

[@AnimeXFever54]

They still struggle with games not being 30fps on console lol they trying push 8k is insane

[@ChristianJenkins-f7d]

This is absurd, they're selling a console that still has no game to the point they had to show footage from games that are for the most part crossgen games. Also, they're promising what they kinda already promised when the base PS5 was launched but then everyone said "oops, we were wrong, developers can't actually do it" and now they want us to pay an absurd amount of money for it without certainty that this time it's going to pan out. So the question is, what's the point of having a console anymore? Most "exclusives" made it already on PC, more will make it in the foreseeable future. I'm from Europe, a good pc average cost nowadays is 1k euros, where all of these features are not considered enhancements but the bare minimum. Literally, I didn't buy a PS5 and bought an old computer ( I play mostly sim racing games and the most important ones never made it to console) with a 9th gen core i7, an Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060, 32 gb of ram and a 512 SSD for 700 euros, 100 euros less than what the PS5 pro is going to cost here and I can already do almost everything they are promising and I can't do it all just because I'm CPU limited, which this new model will be as well. 😅 Guys, if you still don't have a PS5 just buy a PC at this point, the whole benefit of owning a console has been completely erased by this 9th generation of consoles that will be remembered as a scam.

[@reveragew]

Imagine you got a whole library of ps5 games on discs and wanted to upgrade, but you can’t buy a disc drive anywhere

[@thedarkemissary]

Why would you have a bunch of discs but no console?

[@reveragew]

@@thedarkemissary read again, I said wanted to upgrade

[@thedarkemissary]

@@reveragew You could always wait until there are more disc drives. Noone said you had to get it right away. Especially, if you already have a console to play all them games on.

[@No_cap_yo]

@@thedarkemissarywow. Just stop

[@landonkam6727]

I don't think 4 games counts as a library...

[@mchammer5592]

This would only make sense if they were agreeing to buy back PlayStation 5 almost full price, and only charge you the difference for the upgrade, or if they could send you some sort of graphics module to add onto your existing one, or if there was some sort of large standalone unit that could have individual parts be upgraded rather than having to throw out the whole thing. Hey call me a dreamer.

[@trenegade5441]

Maybe Sony will send you an entire team of engineers, and they will custom build you your very own console. Then, would it make sense?

[@TheRetroPerspective]

Cerny lied about the PS5. What did he lie about with the PS5 Pro? Also, have to laugh at the idea that Death Stranding will be some kind of visual leap. The game uses the Decima Engine, which is already more optimised than the majority of games out there and we already had Forbidden West on PS5. It will look as good as Forbidden West and no better. Guaranteed. We don't need a PS5 pro, we need developers to optimise their games and stop trying to fix frame rate with AI upscaling and anti-aliasing which makes modern games look blurry as hell!

[@GumCho-we3uk]

Your comment confirms what was news to me. a lot of people are mentioning that ps5 was supposed to do what the ps5 pro supposedly will do.

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

​@@GumCho-we3uk I mean is there a game out that just can't run on a ps5 smoothly? Like I dont think there is so theres no reason to upgradr

[@ryans413]

They lied about 8k

[@stygy9929]

@@jonwifebeaterjones6389Dragons dogma 2 but thats capcoms fault.

[@crazychase98]

​​@@jonwifebeaterjones6389plenty but it's not a ps5 issue

[@kalex7370]

No disk drive for that price is just an immediate no. I'll keep my PS4 till GTA 6 comes out then I'll get the PS5

[@johnyoung8745]

I don’t care for GTA so it’s going to take a new first party studio game from the likes of guerilla games, naughty dog, Santa Monica or sucker punch that I can’t get on ps4. Really I’m looking for a price drop because there hasn’t been enough next gen only games to justify dropping $500 for a ps5 much less $700

[@ZKForbiddenParadise]

Here in Brazil it’ll probably be U$1400 . No new games, no meaningful update, nothing. F U Sony, I was never a pc gamer, but now I am

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

based stay safe homie

[@rafaelgalindo4794]

Sim. Minha familia está se mudando pra Europa em dezembro e to vendendo meu ps5 ja que nao vou levar ele e planejo montar um PC lá na Europa já que peças são bem em conta. Chega de jogos mais caros, chega de ps plus só para jogar com amigos e usar cloud system, chega de apoiar a Sony e as merdas dela.

[@robf]

Buy a PC, they’re great but how is it’s Sony’s fault your country has ridiculous taxes and policies?

[@mobious01]

Is the ps5 is 1400 then a pc might be 4k lol

[@ls200076]

​@@rafaelgalindo4794You moving to Portugal?

[@nathanrobb6045]

Hi Luke I just wanted to say I always enjoy your videos. Always informative and just enjoy the content. Also just wanted to say I live in Australia and basically a couple days after the presentation for the PS5 pro occurred we found out that here in Australia the PS5 pro without the stand and without the disc drive is gonna cost $1200 and then to buy the disc drive that’s $160 and then to buy the stand that is $50 so for us here in Australia to buy the PS5 pro with a disk drive and a vertical stand is $1410 which is honestly insane. I just don’t understand how they can charge such a massive price difference for honestly not that much better than a PS5 digital edition.

[@WigneyR]

4:19 actually, all three of those things are the same thing since they’re all reliant on the GPU, so the one improvement is a larger gpu, no cpu upgrade.

[@Jamzmahname]

I really just want to know who this is for? Anyone who’s going to blow big wads of cash is going to dump it into gaming PCs, and anyone who really wants a console will look for a cheaper option. Like the one that is currently available for less than half the price.

[@ISGAMINGFORNERDS]

Then you clearly don’t understand the market and must think everyone who games is on KZbin comment sections 😂😂

[@jeffboachie4108]

Exactly this.

[@spytf2-pb3yo]

@@ISGAMINGFORNERDS Dude cope harder lmao

[@ilikeshiba]

Well it’s for me, I suppose. AMA. I like my PS5 and I don’t think $700 is expensive for an upgrade to be honest.

[@socratese5]

@@ilikeshibaYeah IF they had something to show it off, but they don’t even have a game to pair with it that makes it attractive, they say a sucker is born every minute, I think that’s who this is for. You really want to play the last of us again so you can see better looking grass? 😂

[@cius2112]

People bought PS5s at launch based purely on FOMO and paid crazy sums to scalpers. This shouldn't be surprising.

[@nickkowal619]

The big problem with the price is that for $700, you get what most people will see as a very marginal upgrade, and then you have to pay extra for necessities to play said upgraded console. Then the console will be fully outclassed by budget PC's within days of it coming out.

[@snakesnoteyes]

Like, the whole point of being a console gamer is putting up a chunk of money up front instead of dropping cash constantly to keep your gaming pc up to date-ish. Why in the absolute hell would I sign up to drop this kind of money for another brick of dubious aesthetic quality.

[@LiveEnd06]

Because it is competing with high end PC's, and like you said your "putting up a chunk of money up front instead of dropping cash constantly" on a PC. Literally answered your own question and are still complaining

[@tehCostHD]

You aren’t the target audience

[@chingsauce858]

@@LiveEnd06is it competing with high end pc’s though? I do agree that the ps5 pro’s performance is good for £700 and an equivalent priced pc possibly would lose out, yet you add the optional extras such as the stand, disk drive and maybe ps+ or whatever it is you need to play online.. At that point for the same price you could get a pc that outperforms the ps5 pro whilst also able to complete other tasks.. Don’t get me wrong though the ps5 pro is attractive performance wise, but they should have included those extras to justify it

[@LiveEnd06]

@@chingsauce858 I mean the way I see it is A. Pro is the same size as the slim, and the slim didn't have a stand and is fine without it, B. I also don't use ps+ so that subscription doesn't matter for me at least, but I can see it would be an expensive factor, but C. The PS5 pro rn is like an 800-900 dollar investment, and for me a PC would be the same, not to mention how much I'd need to upgrade components over time which would end up costing a lot more than the pro by the end of it. Sure, maybe not competing the highest end PC's, but the long run still seems worth it since I'm also someone who doesn't own a PS5 or PC but does have a laptop, which is basically the only other advantage to owning a PC and having it "built in" so to speak

[@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets]

Assuming the disc drive sold seperately works with the PS5 Pro, including taxes, a PS5 Pro + disc drive would cost me about $1300 Canadian. I have not bought a PS5 yet as I was waiting for a price drop. I think except for the next Switch (with my meh PC), I'm sitting this generation out.

[@CurtTheHero]

You're not missing much 😅

[@alitabattlebot013]

Same. I've yet to buy a PS5, there simply aren't enough games to warrant the purchase for me.

[@LordZedz]

@@alitabattlebot013 There is literally a single game on PS5 that I would like to play that is not coming to PC. The Demon's Souls remake. I wasn't going to pay $400 to play a single remake of a PS3 game and I'm certainly not going to be paying $700 rofl.

[@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny]

you could buy a victus laptop or the victus pc series, they arent that bad for their price. for example, no mans sky for me runs well at 30fps with high to ultra in graphics. that is in a laptop :v

[@jd2792]

​@@LordZedzif the invidea leak is still right the pc port should come out this year

[@bhazuka7808]

So if you have a large collection of PS4/5 games on the disc you need to spend a total of £800 to play them on the PS5 Pro. £700 for the console and an additional £100 for the disc drive.. that’s insane!!! And they couldn’t be bothered to include the vertical stand? What the F

[@socratese5]

Yeah I’m blown away by how dumb this is

[@carlosoto1115]

If you can’t afford it is not our fault

[@ketanahire984]

You forgot to include tax and vertical stand.....

[@mobious01]

You dont have to upgrade bro

[@bhazuka7808]

@@carlosoto1115 it’s not about whether one can afford it or not (I can) you’d be dumb as hell to do so for such minor upgrades. But hey, it’s your money so do what you want.

[@SingularMeatball]

At 22:08 i'm 95% sure they would have shown a trailer for something with the enhanced visuals if they had anything new to show. The fact that they only showed older and ancient(at this point) titles tells me it really wont be that impressive moving forward. I think consoles peaked pricewise for the hardware offering at ps5 and series X. At this point we should all just get PCs.

[@Ben-Rogue]

No stand No disc drive No Pro controller No digital optical audio or Display Port No PS3, PS2 or PS1, or PSVR1 backwards compatibility

[@The1Music2MyEars]

$810 for disc drive and stand, but ppl are not talking about the GaMe BOosT that was touted on the PS5 will be same for Pro: devs have to update the game. SoTc is SOL still.

[@dustin202]

Yup

[@TheMrComentarista]

What do you mean?

[@badpuppy3]

The only problem with the PS5 Pro is the price. The upgrades are decent for a mid-gen refresh. If they made it for the same price target as the PS5 and gave the base PS5 a price cut, this would have been received completely differently.

[@jambononi]

But how? If you look at an equivalent pc GPU, you'll see that this is actually a good deal in terms of performance. They would be losing 300/400 per console to make this at 500. They'd need to sell 6+ games just to break even.

[@alitabattlebot013]

Selling people 6 games wouldn't have been a problem if this were the PS4 days... They just don't have enough games to offer people this generation.

[@MerricB]

It's the global economic conditions. Everything is just so much more expensive.

[@xman777b]

no. The physical design sucks too. SCEA should've incorporated a redesign into this "refresh"

[@jonwifebeaterjones6389]

​@@jambononi that's why consoles don't need to have upgrades with the current landscape of gaming. There's no game that can't run smoothly on ps5 so why get a more expensive console that does the same thing but you can see 3 extra leaves on the tree in the background. As long as we don't get groundbreaking improvements in these games we won't need an upgrade that's gonna run my already perfectly performing games the same way

[@maciejweber4256]

I find you very logical and resonable in you approach and thinking. Thats very refreshing to see/hear nowadays... Love it!

[@vishalvenkat6]

This has nothing to do with monetary policies Luke. Its just greed. Other companies have been doing the same thing across various sectors claiming it is because various reasons and have been called out and proven wrong and made to admit that it was done intentionally because they wanted to charge more.

[@bushmonster1702]

Price gouging has become the norm and unfortunately poor consumerism fuels it.

[@SterileNeutrino]

It may well have to do with "sanctions on China" which are bound to intensify.

[@richardbliss1040]

In Canada, its $959.00 for the console only before taxes....$1085 CDN including taxes....glad I'm a PC gamer. Well over $1200 CDN when you add the disk drive and stand, that will buy a very decent gaming PC.

[@hiteshk1]

In India, Right now the original PS5 costs 55000/- INR which converts to USD 655/- . So OG PS5 already costs nearly as much the PS5 Pro. BUT, when it will be launched in India, I am sure it will cost more than 800/- or 900/- USD.

[@WSzafranski]

One thing. When comparing prices around the world, take into account that the proce in the US is pre tax and prices in i.e. Europe already include tax. VAT in EU differs from country to country, but usually it is between 20-25% (sometimes it's lower like in Luxembourg where it is 17%). That would equate to a pre tax price of 640 to 667 EUR pre tax which is approx 710-740 USD pre tax. I know that in the in Europe we pay more because we have a higher sales tax but I always have an issue with comparisons like that where people are comparing taxed prices with untaxed ones.

[@Tysonyar]

Wow, Mark Cerny has full-on evolved into Garth. I keep waiting for him to put up the rock and roll sign and say "Party on Wayne"

[@chase5436]

The only thing I liked was Mark mentioning that 3/4 of PS5 players are choosing performance over fidelity. "There is a difference." Yeah, sure, but I don't think a higher bitrate video is going to magically show an improvement worth $700.

[@SandraYT]

For me it would cost 950€ with the disk drive and stand. No way! Absolutely ridiculous! Will keep my launch PS5 tyvm.

[@jaegerjaquez1944]

not definding the price or stand but i think most people do not upgrade. Keep OG ps5, or sell it to offset some of the cost of the Pro. PS5 slim is still being sold, Pro will probably sell at the same 1 in 4 or maybe 1/5 rate. i guess i don't get the total outrage but such is the internet. I'm sure they have the #'s on the disk too, tbh i hate hearing it spool up and all games are patched to hell with additional downloads needed anyway, i think the online catalog is sufficient if you really want to find old games or play something again, i never find myself doing so.

[@mobious01]

Who buys a stand lol

[@danielshim7550]

Here in the Caribbean, Trinidad and Tobago, a brand new PS5, sealed box, disc version goes for, on average, $6,300TTD ($900 USD) and that's just the basic console. You want to add a new game like Modern Warfare 3, add $560 ($80 USD). It's insane. I'm very happy with my PS4 Pro.

[@EmergencyChannel]

There isn't any games I want to play on my PS5, so a better version of a console for nearly $800 without any games to play is kinda wild to me.

[@ketanahire984]

U aren't missing out anything new if u still own PS4 in 2024 except few games like Spiderman 2, FF 7 Rebirth and Stellar Blade.....

[@SteelyDanzig]

It's depressing how anti-consumer Sony has become. Then again every major corporation in the world has treated its consumer base like garbage since Covid.

[@Ryan48093]

This doesn't stop developers from creating new performance and fidelity modes. While the bar may be higher, they can still offer a 30 fps fidelity mode with even more enhanced detail and a performance mode at 60 fps with previous fidelity-level visuals. Or even 60 fps fidelity and 120 fps performance. I don’t see this choice disappearing. Sony didn’t cause this issue (though I think the Pro is what the PS5 should have been). Developers should focus on making games look as good as possible while targeting a minimum of 60 fps without forcing us to have to choose. If I wanted to dial in performance and fps, I’d play on my PC.

[@jirehtheprovider]

I’m not gonna lie. As a Nintendo and partial Pc gamer for about 20 years, it just saddens me that the PlayStation side of gaming has not garnered enough of my interests in an affordable manner. In the PS3 era, I got some IPs and game to try but never got the chance to play. I played them on PC later in life when I began work IRL. PS4 and later, sadly, the IPs did not catch me. The hardware pricing is what made it tough for me to try and commit.

[@BloodAssassin]

Why call every piece of software nowadays AI? Back in the day auto-correct was called just auto-correct, nowadays it would be AI *Enhanced* Text Correction or some other marketing buzz word.

[@SasukaRH]

investors, and this guy says that also but i do believe it's true. Investors are very dumb

[@matheuscabral9618]

and people believe it. My biology teacher a few months ago said that QR codes are made with AI…

[@BloodAssassin]

@@matheuscabral9618 technically yes it is AI, I don't get why they keep using it as a marketing word. AI software can be anything, every single AI we currently have has a very specific use, even ChatGPT - it only generates text based on user's inpup prompt.

[@matheuscabral9618]

@@BloodAssassin I'm sure whatever Sony's got going on technically uses AI, but qr codes don't at all

[@BloodAssassin]

@@matheuscabral9618 I'm talking about QR code scanners on mobile phones that are used to find the QR code within an image, it can guess what the code looks like even if a part of it is obscured. Edit: sorry, I didn't read your message clearly I tought you were saying QR code scanners use AI, not that AI is made by AI because it isn't

[@Grygong555]

3:15 lol why does he sound like Ryan Reynolds

[@jordanthomasgray]

And looks like Dana Carvey 3:20

[@BRIXandSTRINGS]

I was expecting a game reveal to really sell it. Let’s say for example, Bloodborne remake was announced alongside the console and it was really pushed to us how beautiful it could look and how well it could run, even though £700 is an insane amount of money, I could have, begrudgingly, really gotten behind it.

[@Invisibleworld90]

In Australia the console is $1200, disc drive $150 and vertical stand $50. Great job Sony. Thanks but no thanks .