So... About Zack Snyder's Controversial BATMAN Comments...

So... About Zack Snyder's Controversial BATMAN Comments... - We discuss the news on Zack Snyder talking about Batman killing in his DC Universe. Should Batman kill? Zack Snyder's comments on Batman's no kill rule has caused a lot of discussion, let's breakdown! Subscribe for more updates on James Gunn DC Universe about the Superman Legacy, Superman filming news,DCU Batman and more on the future of DCU Projects & DCU Gods and Monsters! Also The Batman 2 and other DC News, DCU Leaks and more!
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[@shubo4478]

The thing is, you SHOULD put Batman into tough situations where it seems like the only way out is to kill someone. The thing about Batman is that he’s smart enough to find a way to defy the odds and not kill people. Thats the interesting story.

[@hashshashiinme7656]

AGREED.

[@5678hu]

Absolutely not. Sometimes you have no way out. A true hero would give up his morals to save others

[@plasticweapon]

@@5678huexactly.

[@AveChristusRex789]

@@5678huwell, that’s not what you’re gonna get out of Batman

[@Ronruk]

It’s not the interesting when we already he isn’t going to kill anyways.

[@nosfonader8792]

And this is why there should have been a solo Batman movie showing how he fell from grace before Dawn of Justice. Have Death in the Family be the foundation of it all and show Batman kill at least one major Rogue member. Then he go through the rest of the movie faking out regular criminals. Then in Batman vs Superman, the movie will help bring about his redemption with the heroics of Superman. Then they team up against the threat instead of a pointless fight.

[@ThatsMe-dt9ks]

I mean he has killed before in comics too. There’s a panel with Jason. Jason asks him you have killed before why not again. And he says in self defence

[@gaberiallangley2883]

I agree

[@Patrick-nq9ij]

Yeah but those comics are from different iterations on Batman from different writers.

[@Patrick-nq9ij]

​@@gaberiallangley2883I dont

[@ThatsMe-dt9ks]

@@Patrick-nq9ij Thats the point. Different writers have different takes, so do directors.

[@Astartes-6969]

​@@ThatsMe-dt9ks There is a difference between him killing one person in self-defense and the hundreds that Batfleck kills in the movie.

[@elijahthompson457]

Zach Snyder shouldn't ever be allowed to write a movie point blank period, I love man of steel and his zombie movies but subjects that deal with dialogue, morality, and characterization have never been his strong suit. I'd trust Robert Rodriguez over Snyder with a superhero project

[@LuisVazquez-hu3jx]

Batman not killing doesn’t make him irrelevant it makes him more interesting and complex character, to me it shows how much will power he has to never cross that line nothing against Snyder but to me this shows that he doesn’t really understand the character of Batman.

[@Yuuki_Asuna]

so will power is more important than innocents lives? the delusion is crazy,so selfish

[@LuisVazquez-hu3jx]

@@Yuuki_Asuna I’d say it’s up to the courts to decide whether the crazies should die that’s why there’s a death penalty it’s not up to Batman to decide who lives and dies it’s up to the judges and courts in my opinion there mostly to blame.

[@lefthand5364]

​@@Yuuki_AsunaHe just don't kill. That's his character.That's what make him speacial.

[@Yuuki_Asuna]

that's childish,because sooner or later if he combats crime he's going to be put in a situation in wich he has to kill to save a kid or something. Pretending that life ain't complex and is black and white is just childish. You are reducing the character to YOUR morality because you guys pick and choose when is okay to let batman kill@@lefthand5364

[@Yuuki_Asuna]

nah man, I doubt you'll think that if you see in the news that the criminal you didn't kill has killed 50 kids because of course he escapes because ofc batman has to have this childish code, at a certain point is just childish that rule if you objective is help people above some stupid code @@LuisVazquez-hu3jx

[@JOEYFMISFIT]

THE EDGE LORD HAS SPOKEN. And no change. I ain’t buying what he’s selling.

[@dobi287]

The "edgelord" has the keys to the kingdom and is planning a whole 10 years plan called gods and monsters

[@Wizeahhwizardfr]

@@dobi287cope harder

[@dobi287]

@@Wizeahhwizardfr nothing to cope with really. But ok I will

[@JOEYFMISFIT]

@@dobi287 heh. Yeah. No. Gunn knows how to tell a cohesive story with a large variety of genres and emotions. Snyder has one note. And that not is EDGY.

[@lloyd777]

​​@@dobi287 yea but he actually tells good stories that only morons see only as a joke but it has deeper meaning than that peacemaker is a big example of that😂

[@Sunsetspoons]

I was a Snyder defender until Rogan interview. He doesn’t understand the character on a basic level. Create a new character, or adapt a Punisher movie or something. Makes sense now why DCEU didn’t work. Part of Batman’s success is his ability to stick to his ideals

[@5678hu]

Lovely little strawman you got there fam. It'd be a shame if someone shat all over it. Sadly, it's not worth anyone's time

[@daityme2093]

@@5678huwhy are you so mad?

[@5678hu]

@@daityme2093 I'm trying to show DC that no one gives a shit if Batman kills or not só we can get better stories

[@StopCallingMeShirley1180]

@@5678huWell they do, so good luck with that.

[@rasenganmaster101]

@@5678hu what sounds more interesting and takes more imagination? being in a situation where u "have" to kill or someone innocent dies and u just say fuck it and shoot them as BATMAN. Or use your fuckin imagination and have batman figure out a way to save both and not have either of them die. Becuz zach dumb ass snyder's idea for batman is the most basic bullshit that a batman in HIS head would only solve things with guns like a punisher in a bat suit, the least interesting shit. Becuz unlike punisher, batman has the money to support his no killing rule and the intelligence so why THE FUCK would he just kill left and right against his whole character's motto.

[@PatrickBasedman1]

I don't like his movies but I used to think he was a cool guy mostly. But after these comments, I'm not sure anymore. He acts like he is some brilliant filmmaker who deconstructs characters, but in order to deconstruct them you have to understand them. Which he clearly doesn't. Not Superman, not Batman.

[@thewitcherking937]

He understands them.. He just doesn't share your narrow minded view of Them. You guys are not an authority in the characters you don't get to Decide who does or doesn't get these characters. It's just gate keeping nonsense.

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@thewitcherking937 No, he doesn't. Not one tiny bit.

[@thewitcherking937]

@@ElvenRaptor yes he does. Very much so.

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@thewitcherking937 How to tell me you've never read a single comic book in your entire life without telling me you've never read a single comic book in your entire life.

[@thewitcherking937]

@@ElvenRaptor actually I have read plenty. Been a huge fan since I was a kid. More of that gatekeeper nonsense.

[@schizzo8959]

Whoever gave Snyder the keys to all these characters is the real villain here.

[@channe3049]

The old WB regime, and it's one of the good things happen to the WBD merger and James Gunn take helm in DC.

[@RandomGuyWhoMakesVideos]

I'm honestly glad for this controversty so James Gunn won't make the same mistake

[@keifersthered753]

Here’s the most baffling thing about Snyderverse fandom.They love Zacks trilogy,loved getting the JLcut in which WB paid Zack 70 million to come back and complete,for the Snyderverse,yet this fandom gave at the end NOTHING but hate to WB.Without WB there never would have been a DCEU to begin with! After this hypocritical fandom went after a Legendary(NOT WB) production,Godzilla vs Kong,by reviewbombing Godzilla vs Kong,before its release,Snyderverse fandom showed their truest hypocrisy-Going after Godzilla and Kong and their respective fandoms by reviewbombing.Their attitude was like We love our DCEU fandom but screw Kongs fandoms since 1933,and Godzillas fandoms-since 1954! WB took note from that reviewbombing and the constant bombardment of pure hate from Snyderverse fandom to Warner Brothers,whom gave them what they loved,said ENOUGH of Snyderverse fandoms hate and hypocrisy,and pulled the plug.It’s Snyderverse fandom that killed the DCEU they loved.So go on,Snyderverse fandom,keep blaming WB for what your fandom ultimately caused-The death of the DCEU.

[@mikhailskariah6265]

The dceu was going downhill after justice league due to the lack of a coherent vision by anyone involved and just straight up bad movies

[@Slade_The_Deathstroke]

After seeing Rebel Moon, I think Zack Snyder takes things and does whatever that is cool to him. Snyder is a good director when it comes to how his movie looks and how it shot. Storytelling? Snyder lacks that, I think. Reasons why I have faith in James Gunn's Superman and the DCU.

[@user-be7tc2bd6e]

Storytelling ??? Snyder did a-GREAT-job on Man of Steel,I thought it was the best SUPES film ever-IMHO. MOS gave me the Superman I wanted and needed. Thanks Snyder. LOL. And I had no problem with Batman killing criminals in the latest installment.

[@HANDLESET1ONE]

​@user-be7tc2bd6e LOL..MoS Was MiD, Average Movie, Not Even Close To Best Superman Movie..LOL..N Only Some Parts/Moment Action Good, But Story & Characters SuXD. N It Just Trying To Be Nolan's Batman Begins Rip-offs Copycat Even Kid Clark & Adult Clark Scene Together Same Time Just Like Nolan's Batman Begins But MoS BaDLy Failure, Failed SuXD. Also Snyder's Moody👽Clark/Supes More Act Like Bruce Kent/SuperBAT Then Actual CLARK/SUPES Characters.

[@unknown-iy2we]

@@user-be7tc2bd6e Snyder didn't write man of steel. He was a director for hire. Writing credits still goes to Chris Nolan and David Goyer.

[@user-be7tc2bd6e]

@@unknown-iy2we They wrote a darn-GOOD-script those 2 and Snyder did a-GREAT-job directing the film,making for a-GREAT-film. I still think MOS is the best Superman movie ever made.

[@justsomedude1138]

​@HandleSet1 I have to assume you're child with the way you text like Jesus christ man ENGLISH

[@tedfitzpatrickyt]

Part of Batman's nobility and commitment to justice is that he's NOT judge, jury, and executioner. He lets the justice system run its course. Of course, he *is* a vigilante 😆

[@SilasBlanks71912]

batman does what he has to do and he doesnt give a sh*t 😂

[@Bofa_Deez]

And the justice system always fails lol. You would think Batman would realize this and come up with another solution but no he just locks them up only for them to get out again.

[@Sean-dp9zz]

He is always judge, jury, and executer. He is below the law

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@SilasBlanks71912 If he didn't give a sh*t, he wouldn't be Batman at all.

[@ElvenRaptor]

@@Bofa_Deez Only because DC comics makes it so.

[@BrutalVengeance]

What really irritates me is that Snyder has to bring the term “god” in everything he brings up about the DCEU. Yes, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, are gods in a way. But Batman isn’t a god & that is what makes him such a great character, & the fact that he has to compare Batman to a god just rubs me off the wrong way. Bottom line, is that I’m happy Snyder isn’t doing any CBM’s anymore & that we have a better looking future for DC.

[@mandeehess3618]

Amen 🎉🎉

[@KobytheHero]

I’d go as far as to say NONE of these characters are gods in the way he means it. If someone in a story says Superman is a god, the very first thing he should do is say “no I’m not!”

[@christophdavis5927]

Him assigning the label of "God" here had nothing to with the actual powers and abilities of Batman. He's talking about the way fans percieve Batman

[@brendonvineyard8620]

@@KobytheHero Well Wonder Women is an actual god so...

[@KobytheHero]

@@brendonvineyard8620 “in the way he means it”

[@rosecity_chris]

Snyder has never understood or respected comicbook characters. Its why his only decent films are the ones he copied shot for shot from the source material.

[@KobytheHero]

I think if you want to tell an interesting story about a hero breaking their no-kill rule, that’s totally fine (Chip Zdarsky did it with Daredevil a few years ago). The issue is that Snyder always treated it like nothing, he had no interest in showing the value of human life in any meaningful way.

[@RyanG0899]

He didn't understand the characters, and that's why his universe failed.

[@5678hu]

Gatekeeping much?

[@dobi287]

HIS movies didn't fail. Matter of fact they're all in the top DC movies of all time. You're confusing and wrongly attributing everything post 2018 to him when he was *pre* 2018

[@lukelaps9298]

Yep

[@MyDeeroc]

​@@dobi287do u understand that the studio knew after batman vs superman that they was in trouble. I understand with zack was going for but the general audience rejected it. They accepted deadpool which almost out sold a batman vs superman movie

[@nubby2790]

Audiences didn't understand the Snyderverse. It was ahead of its time and came out at the wrong time.

[@rahmellbrown162]

And people really keep saying Synderverse this and Synderverse that… Absolutely not, he was ruining these characters and didn’t understand them. There’s Bo reason why Superman should’ve killed Zod or Batman killing mercilessly.. like it truly ruined the characters and universe. When I watched BVS and Batman just blew those guys up, just pissed me off. However you look at it or say, this Batman is killing bc of Todd, NO. Batman does not kill

[@firstlast9846]

I’d say this comment has well and truly cooked him for good.. I haven’t seen many Snyder Cultists step out to even try and defend this one.

[@nubby2790]

How come Nolan and Goyer don't receive more "blame" for the Zod kill?

[@TitanOfTomorrow]

I feel like the only realistic scenario is Batman killing the Joker after killing his own son, because I mean it's his own son no one in their right mind would let that homicidal maniac on the loose after that, but other than that Batman should never kill and that's just what makes him one of the coolest characters

[@rahmellbrown162]

@@TitanOfTomorrow exactly and even if, it’s a comic book movie, not much realism

[@rahmellbrown162]

@@nubby2790 to whomever decided it, it was not a smart decision. It’s just not necessary and I see what e was saying and his idea but no, that’s not these characters. It’s not them if you change their core, that makes them who they are

[@tomimdawodu6808]

I hated how Batman was portrayed in BvS like how was Batman THAT much OLDER and was still a “Bat vigilante” and the police are still scared of him on that level like it’s year one or year two it made no sense for Batman to be still called the “bat vigilante” at that older age he should’ve been already established more the Superman to the public

[@crazedvegetable]

How about you put batman in a situation wher the obvious and seemingly only choice is to kill, but use batmans smarts so he can solve the situation without killing. But requires good writing and that isnt snyders strong suit. He just wants pretty visuals and violence cause its cool.😊

[@firstlast9846]

For all the shit I’ve given Arkham Knight.. that scene where Hush demands Batman bring him Bruce Wayne or he kills Lucius.. just for Bruce to take off his mask and say “Take your best shot Tommy” is a good example.. you’d have to have 0 imagination to look at a scene like that and go “Oh he just kills em - problem solved”

[@shumailaamir3924]

Bat is not invincible, why are you fuming?

[@Geralddd966]

Yeah thats not realistic

[@MK-uw4eq]

Under the red hood you’re literally describing the under the red hood scene

[@dc_cristianz]

Wrong

[@Wizeahhwizardfr]

Another great example why this man should never be allowed to touch a DC property even with words

[@MademoiselleRed1390]

I think the problem isn't him wanting to explore what would Batman do in X situation that could drive him to that point. The problem is that it sounds like the only way he is interested in exploring characters is by basically destroying them in that sense. Taking them to the point of them having to go against canon or what they stand for. And if he is unable to do anything but that, that is a problem.

[@AlessioAlessi]

You're totally right. But that's Snyder: amazing shots, but bad storyteller, because he has no clue of what to do with stories and the characters. Characters he doesn't even understand.

[@Reintell]

@@mcrawfordd28 what cartoons? is it an elseworlds story?

[@firstlast9846]

Kind of hard to give him props for his “amazing shots” when they’re 97% CGI and the camera isn’t even real in most cases.

[@SuCKeRPunCH187]

most of his shots are lifted from the comic books. He is just proving he is both intellectually and creatively incapable of directing movies period.

[@dc_cristianz]

Wrong

[@mudbutt234]

I interpreted his words as, "Let's test the character by pushing him to his limits and then bring his back." You see Bruce become a different person in JL. If Snyder didn't care about something, he wouldn't bother to do this.

[@darraghmcconn]

Knew this video was coming 😂 You tell em' Boba

[@Glasgowliam]

im so tired of directors that want to "circumvent expectations". Snyder seems to be saying "because people said don't do it, that's exactly why I'm doing it". The Last Jedi had the same problem.

[@joecyr5836]

And they both lead to failure. Hmm, so weird 🤔 almost like when you take a beloved character and change them, people don’t like it… when will they learn. I mean look at the difference between James Gunn and Snyder. James Gunn is a fan of the characters and who they are, Snyder thinks he can do it better than those in the past “deconstruct” or basically, “I tell better stories”. Apparently not Zach.

[@CheesyGarlicMan]

Took the words right out of my mouth

[@TGFalk]

I don't even think he wanted to circumvent expectations, he just thought that Batman's no killing rule was lame and made up some justification for it after the fact when fans wouldn't have it.

[@ATVOffroadFurry]

The essence of Batman is that he is a man put into impossible situations where he uses his morals and code to find a creative, inspiring, hopeful way out of it. He’s a super genius, detective, best of mankind. He WILL find a way to do it without killing, that’s the point!

[@drakeishere]

Everyone is so shocked as if Zack hasn't been saying all this for years, even before the release of his DC films. He said not having heroes kill was childish, unrealistic, and antiquated as if he wasn't adapting fantasy characters originally meant to be moral idealistic symbols for children. He said Batman would get raped in prison in his film. His mischaracterizations of DC characters come from his misunderstandings of the themes of Watchmen, a comic book meant to be a deconstruction of superhero tropes outside the norm. He modeled the entire DCEU on that flawed philosophy. All the characters in his movies act in ways completely antithetical to what their comic counterparts stand for. Then, when he gets criticized for his terrible scripts, his brainwashed followers praise them as if they're some avant-garde masterpiece that all the sheep are too stupid to understand. Zack has never understood these characters, has no desire to understand these characters, and his plans for his universe were always terrible. The man doesn't want to adapt the characters faithfully. He wants to break them down, subvert their iconic characteristics, and build them back up again in his own egotistical warped image. The man is in his 50s and has the storytelling sensibilities of an edgy 13 year old that thinks he's grown up because he just learned a new dirty word. The tone of a film doesn't need to be dower, hopeless, and filled with blood, sex, and murder for an adult to enjoy them. Those stories have their place, but it doesn't work for the DC superhero universe, least of all with Superman. He's an incompetent filmmaker and a worse storyteller. He's a complete hack, and I wish him and his sycophantic cult of idiots that worship him would just shut up and go away already.

[@Stev-0DaGoat]

Wow bro some strong words. But i gotta agree with you

[@uchihabomber1296]

Which is why I don’t enjoy those Snyder fans man they simply do not understand

[@lefthand5364]

Facts

[@TheSsjJoker]

Can’t even go on Twitter Without them being pro Snyder Anti Gunn

[@dobi287]

I say this with the utmost respect. You are too stupid to understand them. You don't even realize they're not his scripts(even tho they are in fact his movies/stories) and I'm tired of ppl parading that rape quote around as evidence when they don't even know what he's talking about. Do you even know what movie he was talking about when he said "my movie"? I can assure he was not talking in generalities and "his take" on Batman. As further proof we've seen "his take" on Batman and no such thing occurs. The ironic thing is the way you describe snyder is exactly the way James Gunn is, all his movies are some variation of comedy, super edgey and juvenile

[@QuiwaSouza]

It’s not that Batman “can’t” kill it’s that he won’t

[@reginaldmcgrady]

When Superman snapped Zods neck, that told me all i needed to know about Hack Snyder. Even Christopher Nolan advised against it.

[@Ronruk]

Superman has killed Zod multiple times even before MOS so wtf are you chatting about.

[@reginaldmcgrady]

@Ronruk No shit, but was that best decision for the foundation of a cinematic universe trying to rival the MCU? NO. At the end of the day the fans spoke with thier wallets.

[@Ronruk]

@@reginaldmcgrady I agree with you but I don’t agree with these goofys saying Superman should have a no kill rule when he fights planet destroying beings. It’s ridiculous. Also Superman killing Zod wasn’t trying to rival MCU. It was them rushing BvS,Justice league and suicide squad trying to catch up to the MCU.

[@reginaldmcgrady]

@Ronruk Personaly, I dont mind an elseworld story where Superman kills, but when it comes down to what makes Superman, Superman, it's his notion that theirs always another way, especially when it comes to killing. That's just one of several things that make Superman such a great character. I agree that they rushed things, they should of just ran their own race.

[@Ronruk]

@@reginaldmcgrady Main Superman has killed multiple time so I never understand that bs. It makes him a worse character cause it’s filled with contradictions, he’s supposed be earths champion yet wouldn’t kill threats that can destroy planets…how does that make any sense. That would make him a bad hero for not sacrificing his morals and taking on the burden of getting his hands dirty to save the people and planet as “earths champion” so other don’t have to. Also y’all love to say Superman is relatable cause he was raised by humans and acts like them yet y’all get mad when he feels and acts like a human would. I would love to see y’all tell Jonathan Kent a man who raised Superman in 1940s countryside Kansas on a farm that American soldiers aren’t hero’s cause they killed💀

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

This is a clear proof that Zack Snyder should never EVER touch mainstream comic book, period

[@fattygod76]

I’m with you there

[@TitanOfTomorrow]

Here here

[@mikhailskariah6265]

any of Snyders project are better than the bland uninspired show that u take ur pfp from

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

@@mikhailskariah6265 Both are trash, but Snydershit is straight garbage lol

[@mydreaminorbit9297]

Snyder started the universe with these characters in such a bad place. He loves controversy because he just can't help himself.

[@plsdontbeahero]

Batman’s no kill rule is one of the many things that make him interesting to me. He’s adamant about it to a fault and I think it’s a deeply personal thing for him. You could explore that concept without turning him into the punisher with a cape and cowl.

[@brucelau2023]

knew this video was coming. but quite honestly i'm glad that Zack Snyder isn't doing this crap anymore there's a reason why his version of Batman didn't work out. why did he kill and shoot people in BVS and there's no reason or explanation why he would do this. but Batman DOESN'T kill . he intimidates and spreads fear onto people, not killing or shooting them. this is why i'm glad James Gunn will find someone to do Batman well and perfect.

[@deltaproductions313]

Yeah I have a feeling Batman in the dcu might kill

[@davegranger9402]

They actually explained many times. He was at the end of the rope. No hope.

[@dobi287]

There are numerous movies, shows and comic panels proving you wrong. Also muscietti (if he's still directing) had his Batmen killing

[@The.Usurper]

​@@davegranger9402Then why didn't he kill The Joker? Joker killed Dick Grayson in this universe and he still breathes, while batman is murdering street thugs and branding them to be r*ped and killed in prison.

[@etherspin]

Where Snyder falls down is, he didnt actually PUT his Batman into scenarios close to being forced to kill. His fixation on Clark was bloodthirsty and deranged, let down the detective side of Bruce by having him surprised at "Martha" because he hadnt considered Clark might have been raised on Earth His Zod scenario in Man of Steel was FAR closer to a "must kill" scenario He went nowhere towards properly justifying Bruces weariness of Clark in BvS EDIT - excellent context on the TDKR comic Boba ! Basically Snyder is mostly about visuals and spectacle not accuracy and modus operandi

[@BobaTalks]

I think this is an interesting point. With Snyder's explanation, as I say... I can respect it and see what he's striving for. But as you said, unlike TDKR explanation Snyder gives, you wouldn't exactly call the moments of killing in BvS 'no choice' -esque moments. He kinda just mowed people down with the Batwing among other things, even after choosing not to kill Superman. It's hard to achieve the same resonance with that. Whereas with Clark, all while I can nitpick that moment haha with how he could've flown up or whatever.. That was Snyder's TDKR 'no choice' moment, except for Superman. And it hits because it's devastating for the character.

[@willadair8869]

The whole point it’s not a young Batman, everyone changes, when you go through everything, you change your views, and how you do things, as people that have been in war, they change, that’s the whole point. It’s not a young Batman, this is a Batman that will do what it takes, no matter what, and sometimes that means killing, that’s the whole point, it’s the real world, and that’s what it’s based on how the real world people would be! It’s not like this Batman has been around for a long time, that’s the bases on it, and it’s a better take on a real human trying to be a Batman for that long

[@ii-mp1sp]

@@BobaTalks So when Burton's Batman kills the villain's minions and Donner's Superman lets Zod die, it's good. And when exactly does Snyder do it badly? What is the hypocrisy of the public who not so long ago glorified his League and its actors?

[@RandomJD]

As far as I know, he always wanted a dark knight returns batman. And went from there. But thay was more of an elseworld and less of a "normal" batman. I kinda liked it. Sadly the execution and interpretation was terrible.

[@firstlast9846]

He said “after TDKR it’s hard to go back to regular comics” bro didn’t even try 💀

[@lmq9516]

So glad Snyder got fired. Guy already wasn’t the best director, and he continues to show he has no understanding of the characters, yet some people will still act like his universe was going to be a masterpiece.

[@CA8IN8MU8IC]

here's the thing: it COULD work. if you make a batman story that's about "what if he crosses the line, how does that affect him" that's an interesting story. but snyder did nothing interesting with it. he didn't "deconstruct" like he wants people to think he did. no one gets on his ass for killing and they even focus on the branding as an indirect killing as if it's any worse. What it rlly seems like to me is snyder made him kill cause he thinks it looks cool, and when people lashed back, he schrödinger's director'd it by saying it was "subversive" and "deconstructivist". i honestly would not be surprised if he said he'd never read the dark knight returns before. because how do you miss the point that badly

[@uchihabomber1296]

I agree man this man really is just the edgelord for Batman

[@P.Whitestrake]

He literally did that with BvS. Alfred in that movie literally asked Bruce regarding his cruely in the beginning of the film: "New rules?" Implying that Batman was cruel & disregarding lives only recently because he fell & didn't believe in moral justice anymore. Then he stopped after he realized he had become the very thing he's sworn to stop when trying to kill Superman.

[@BruceTopherWayne]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@P.Whitestrake but he didn’t stop after almost killing Superman. He went to the warehouse and killed some more guys with no issue.

[@JB-1138]

I know Batman didn't kill the Joker in The Dark Knight Returns, but would the cops really care that The Joker is dead? I don't think they would chase after Batman. There would be no manhunt. There would be a celebration amongst Gotham law enforcement. All those cops are going to go to their favorite bar and by each other a round of drinks. Probably toasting to the idea that Batman finally took care of business.... Even though he didn't actually do it. Later on, Jim Gordon would probably thank Batman, only for Batman to admit it was not he who killed the Joker.

[@anishsingh2848]

Jim would never do that like he said in the Killing Joke no matter what happens he would always want Joker or anyone for that be brought in by the book and in TDKR Joker went brain dead after Batman's absence until he relapsed after seeing Batman on news again

[@thewolf01x95]

Keep snyder far away from all superheroes...

[@ii-mp1sp]

Yes, with him they all became cool, and you want them all to become a joke again.

[@coltongates7397]

@@ii-mp1spthey’re already cool. No need to go muddying up already great concepts and just shit all over its fanbase.

[@ii-mp1sp]

@@coltongates7397 I saw the ratings and reviews of Justice League 2021 and everyone liked them.

[@thewolf01x95]

@@ii-mp1sp so cool his universe died . Get a clue kid

[@ii-mp1sp]

@@thewolf01x95 Keaton: Indirectly killed the Joker and Penguin, and also personally killed their supporters without hesitation (one even with a smile) Bale: Killed the fake Ra's Al Ghul along with a number of League of Shadows fighters and left the real Ra's Al Ghul to die: "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you." Then killed Two-Face saving Gordon's family and killed Talia to intercept the bomb. Ben Affleck: Killed and maimed many of Luthor's mercenaries. Robert Pattinson: During the pursuit of the Penguin, he had an accident that clearly did not go without victims. Also versions of Batman from the series Gotham, Titans and Batwoman: the first killed Ra's Al Ghul (although he was not yet Batman) the other two killed the Joker. And animation: JL: World of War Doom That Came To Gotham The Dark Knight Returns, Parts 1 and 2 Flashpoint Batman Batman vs. Dracula (and pretty much every undead or parademon in the comics or DCAMU) Red son of Batman After that, do you still care if he kills the rank and file?

[@morristhompson9189]

I can explain the "killing" scene. I think DC comics should chage Batman's "No Killing Rule" to a "No MURDER rule" for better context and clarity. Taking a life to prevent innocent bloodshed is alot different to taking a life for vengence, to make a statement, etc...etc.... killing its taking a life, but murder is taking a life with malicious intent. That is my interpretation on the comic panel you are talking about. But you make some VERY interesting points. Love Your panel because it get me thinking and reevelauting my original thoughts.

[@P.Whitestrake]

That's what I think too. It's supposed to be "no murder rule" not "no killing rule." Reasonably, a guy who whack criminals almost every night for years is bound to kill someone somehow, even if he didn't mean to. He's a human who can do wrong things somtimes. A genius can be careless sometimes. Batman elseworld by Stan Lee portrayed it simply but perfectly. In that comic, Batman fought his enemy on a tall building. He became very angry during the fight, his enemy were thrown off a building & died. This Batman killed the enemy. Then he realised that he wasn't supposed to do that. From that moment on, he swore he would never do something like that again.

[@galactic-gumbo9911]

I appreciate you showing the source material it really helped prove to me you know wth your talking about

[@SuperAz1981]

The sad part is the closest Batman we have had to the comics in live action is Robert Pattinson he is the only one who has never killed anyone in his movie.

[@dragonhead99]

What about Christian Bale?

[@StopCallingMeShirley1180]

@@dragonhead99He killed Harvey Dent, Ra’s al Ghul, and Talia al Ghul.

[@RyanG0899]

@@HANDLESET1ONE Did Val Kilmer kill?

[@Thizlamic]

Bro WTF are you talking about LOL.

[@rzn2258]

F### NO !!!

[@nysimcharles33]

The thing about Synder is he only likes 1 version of Batman (Frank Miller) 😂 but he misunderstood that whole point. Batman shot the guys hand and knocked him out with the gun. I believe it’s ok to have a Batman kill but base it off the actual Batman that kills and not the ones that don’t

[@gavinbrewer7392]

What makes a great adaptation 22:05. It blows my mind that they wanted this guy to lead DC… I swear when we get the DCU I hope it can wash the awful taste which was the DCEU

[@marveler8994]

Zack's problem is that he thinks of them as gods and not meant to be relatable or human in anyway, also making them cool is just making them brutal killers lol

[@spoofadventures8331]

Dc heroes are supposed to be inspiring, not entirely relatable, Clark kent is relatable, The impossibility of Supermans not, Batman's struggle is relatable the impossibility of Batman isn't but anyone can be inspired by it, by they're morals and triumph, same as gods, not God, gods.

[@marveler8994]

@spoofadventures8331 Clark Kent is supposed to be a superMAN not a supergod, he was made to be inspiring yes but what makes him inspiring is that despite all of the power he has, he's a down to earth good person.

[@spoofadventures8331]

@@marveler8994 Agreed, he's a man with the powers of a god. It's metaphorical.

[@tahnadana5435]

if batman kills than his "ROGUE GALLERY" would be a million times worst, if batman kills than joker would just be a one off story, do you see how dumb zack snyder argument is now?

[@ubaldoarias5653]

Snyder lost the plot. I'm not the only one who hates most of what fcking Frank Miller did with Batman. The worst Batman comics I know were written by Miller. Miller made Batman abandon Dick Grayson the child on a cave to hunt rats for food. That's not Batman and Miller became a f*ck*ng idiot after 2 good works.

[@victorerick4867]

Batman going through very hard situations with out killing ,being forced to to kill but finds another way. Batman is intelligent he allows finds a way .Zack Snider can never convince me

[@user-up5rv4zk3e]

If Batman is cool with killing, just give him guns and grenades. And then, he's not Batman anymore.

[@leorigg2992]

There’s a short answer and long answer. Short answer: no Long answer: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL NO!

[@JB-1138]

It's almost as if this whole argument could also be applied to the ending of Man of Steel. Superman isn't out there snapping necks. That definitely wasn't his only option for Zod. Having Zod in a headlock all he had to do was fly up, up and away.

[@petermj1098]

Clark literally pushed Zod into danger for the civilians. It would have been better writing if Clark maneuvered his powers to get him away from populations. Clark is not a strongman he is wise and self aware in how to use his powers.

[@ii-mp1sp]

And what would he do with him next, how to calm down the crazy Kryptonian?

[@JB-1138]

Yeah he should have flown out into the desert or arctic or wherever. Just get Zod away from a population center.

[@JB-1138]

@@ii-mp1sp Good question. Superman would probably still have to kill Zod, however getting away from metropolis would be the best first step.

[@dexterdrax]

No kill policy for Batman is essential. And it has nothing to do with morals or how much he hates guns. The problem is he is written so OP that he'll kill his entire rogues gallery in 2 days.

[@brandonarmienti6875]

Batman should never kill. Yes, theoretically, Batman could kill ALL of his enemies, and it would make a whole lot of sense if he did. He could go around putting bullets through the skulls of each and every scumbag he meets, and that would likely even radically decrease crime in Gotham. But then one day, as Batman is roaming through Gotham on his war on crime, he would kill another thug. But this time, the goon he kills has a young son, who in the morning will have to bear the news that his father/mother was brutally shot dead by an armed assailant. He would have created another orphan. That young boy would then grow a seething hatred of Batman, and maybe even become a vigilant himself. Roaming the streets at night. Killing others. Creating even more monsters. For revenge against the Dark Knight. At which point, that orphan would have essentially become another killer just like Batman. And that, is why Batman refuses to go to that extreme. Not only does he refuse to commit murder because of his belief in the justice system, Wayne also doesn’t kill these people because he knows the collateral damage it could cause. He would inevitably become what he is trying to put a stop to. And he doesn’t want others to suffer through what he did. So no, Batman should never kill. It's against his entire character. Also if Snyder's Batman kills, why didn't he already kill the Joker? That doesn't make any sense. Edit: There are two reasons I’ve seen Batman give about his no-kill rule. His cooperation with law enforcement. Unlike many heroes who try to take over everything the law can’t do, he collaborates with the local justice system. It’s as if rather than taking justice into his own hands, he’s just tacking on to what they do. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with Gordon or anyone else using guns, but that’s because they’ve been chosen to. If he were to kill, that would mean becoming the law himself and replacing them, and he has too much faith in a working justice system for that. That’s also why Bruce Wayne pours so much $ into supporting DAs or anti-crime programs; Batman is helping the police do their job, not getting in their way. Anything to do with the Red Hood reveals a lot about this no-killing rule, and it seems to come down to this; where would it stop? So he kills the joker. Now someone like, oh, let’s say Scarecrow, is the worst psychopath the city has ever seen. The arguments to be made for killing Joker could work here, too. Next up, Riddler. Now Bane. Poison Ivy. Two-Face. Basically, he keeps killing and keeps killing whoever the worst guy is until your worst criminal is a jaywalker, and that’s a dangerously slippery slope. It would be easy to justify killing Joker, really easy for batman to snap his neck, but where does it stop? Logic eventually leads toward a devastating reign of judgement on Gotham that, while cool as a comic concept, violates the purpose of Batman. The real question that should be ask is why has none of Batman villains ever face capital punishment? We should be confused and mad at the justice system there, not Batman himself.

[@shuvankarpal1245]

Bro Snyder is great director but bad at story writing, he does not understand Batman character

[@samiali541]

You’ve gotta be the lousiest of lousy basement dwellers to care so much about how another man interprets fiction. It’s kind of gay to be honest to care so much of another man’s thoughts

[@jdal21]

so in a no-win situation, if he has to kill one to save millions, no tricks, no time, no coming out of top, should he not do it? of course he should when he has to, he should be able to take the heaviest choices and come out of it still a hero doing it for the greater good from his best judgement, its not that we shouldnt write him in that situation, but it also shouldnt be thing to gatekeep the character into situations alike, im just repeating what he said at this point

[@dragonnet289]

Wonder Woman should not kill but she does kill Maxwell Lord That's in character of her to kill she not a pacifist she does what need to be done some DC superheroes kill sometimes

[@genadymitov6176]

Po from "Kung Fu Panda" can kill. But Batman can't 😂😂😂😂

[@drazendukat4013]

I love your take on this Boba. The main problem (among a quite few others) i had with BvS as well as other Snyderverse movies is that he wanted these huge "HOLY F..K!" impactful moments. But they were never really built on any psychological evolution of the characters and they never felt warranted to me. So they kind of just feel forced and fall flat on their faces. And the other thing which is pretty apparent through this is that he has quite a different take and vision of these characters that we love. I mean his Lex Luthor is an absolute abomination of the character. And i don't blame Jesse Eisenberg, i can assume that Snyder directed him that way.

[@souviksikdar1864]

That is accurate. -James Gunn

[@DarkKnight-uk7mq]

Batman has been put in tough situations before but he was smart enough to find another way. That's Batman. Defying the odds

[@Jony_127]

You could say that Batman evens the odds

[@DarkKnight-uk7mq]

@@Jony_127 yeah man

[@kadegetslaid634]

Snyder is making it hard to defend him

[@lloyd777]

That "GOD" comment makes absolutely no sense 🤦‍♂️it irked me the most like nobody sees batman as a God,fans want the character be represented right on screen nobody worships him

[@KennethKralyJr]

Great video as always Boba and I agree with you. For me no Superheroes be it DC Comics or Marvel should kill and not be put in a situation to do so ever.

[@The.Usurper]

There are so many heroes who kill and it's part of who they are. I'd be pissed if they started changing all those characters. The point isn't the "no killing, killing bad". The point is that you shouldn't be adapting a character if you're going to fundamentally change who they are and what they represent.

[@kendallfleming5858]

That’s BS and unrealistic, you’re proving Snyder right.In the real world that’s not how it works

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

@@kendallfleming5858 In the real world bro wouldn’t dress in a bat costume. He wouldn’t wear a cape because bad guys could grab that and yank it in a fight. In the real world he’d just bring an assault rifle or just mow dudes down from his weaponized airplane. Oh and everyone would have figured out it’s Bruce Wayne Edit: He actually might still wear the cape for gliding purposes. And maybe to throw over someone

[@Ronruk]

So you want superheros and comics to be boring. “They should never be put in a situation to do so ever” So we shouldn’t have great villains like Thanos,Darkseid,Kang etc that put these heroes in those situations 💀 Clownery. Gatekeepers like you will be the death of comics and superhero’s.

[@kendallfleming5858]

@@rakoonshampoo2608 Ok, I guess I do have to spell it out. I meant real life scenarios I didn’t think I’d have to spell out the fact that we all get it’s Sci-Fi fantasy, I don’t think that’s lost on anyone. What Snyder was saying is that he’s speaking from a perspective of life conditions. Snyder is not stupid he knows it’s fake but the stories that people relate to are not. We know people can’t fly, and shoot lasers out of their eyes and have projectiles bounce off of them. He is saying really? You’ll never be in a scenario where there is no way out? Never? Ever? You have a 100% win ratio over the outcome? You’re the house instead of player 1? Always? Forever? That’s what Zack is saying! From a perspective of that’s not how it works in the real world. We’ve had enough of that awful shucks you guys corny two left feet 💩. There’s a reason Superman comics don’t carry DC in comic sales. For example, if Superman existed in the real world, everyone would NOT be, “Yea! Go get’em Superman!” Some would be like oh sh$t! Call someone! Get the Navy Seals out here! Delta Force! We would try to control him because it’s human nature! Many of us would want Superman to bend the knee!

[@tybo8377]

Zack snyder should of went to marvel if he wanted his characters to kill. Batman is one of the few heros including spiderman and superman that have a no kill rule. It makes them different and stand out. The fact he even brought up the topic of batman killing shows he never should of touched batman.

[@Braydoss02]

The problem is with snyder. If batman kills, why is he a part of the Justice League. Do you really think they'll allow batman who kills on the team because, like, they're all superheros. Can't honestly stand the snyder cult basically making zack their god thinking batman should kill when he shouldn't. Batman having a no kill rule makes him more interesting, and having that rule makes an awesome rogue's gallery. Think about it if batman kills, there is no gallery, no bat family, and no justice league it just doesn't work. Snyder fails to see who batman truly is, and I'm glad he'll never make a superhero movie again. Matt Reeves actually understands batman more. He never kills in the movie it's either breaking a thugs arm or knocking them out. Towards the end up of the movie, batman realises he needs to be a symbol of hope for gotham, not just fear, and that was perfect to batman's character. I'm hopeful for james gunn to do batman, right, no killing, make Superman like his comic book like giving people hope, not making him an edge lord. These days, modern fans just want edgy characters who kill. The issue is both dc and Marvel, who have anti heroes. The characters have no story going forward, which means no rogue's gallery to truly challenge the hero because well the anti-hero kills them. People who defend snyder aren't batman fans they're snyder fans. If you want a good example of why batman doesn't kill, watch under the red hood.

[@JamesEarlPhones]

So Zack basically said “wahhhhh making Batman not a murderer is too hard! HMPH”😤

[@uhwaykin]

Snyder seems like a nice guy, and a talented visual filmmaker, but he’s shaped by a cynicism in Miller’s work that Miller himself ultimately grew out of. I wish him well, but I'm glad that DC is moving on from their commitment to his vision.

[@andreaskaterjohn3873]

Batman should only resort to killing in three specific situations: 1) by accident or in self-defense, 2) when he must save innocent lives with no alternative option (similar to his actions with Harvey Dent in Nolan's trilogy), and 3) during times of war (such as facing Bane, who has captured the city, or Darkseid, attempting to conquer Earth). If Batman becomes a bloodthirsty killer in his city, wielding machine guns as depicted by Snyder, the police and Commissioner Gordon cannot overlook his actions, and they would be compelled to hunt him as a villain. Since he is a hero, not a villain, he must adhere to a moral code and avoid crossing certain lines. If he were to become the very evil he fights against, his purpose would lose meaning. Moreover, a proper role model for children is crucial, as they grow up with him just as we did. It's essential to recognize that not every criminal is the same. For instance, if someone is stealing to feed his family, should Batman kill him? No, he should intervene to stop the crime and then, as Bruce Wayne, later help him by, for example, assisting in finding him an honest job. This is the essence of Batman's character."

[@dixondaqua]

And that’s why WB said get you and your Snyder cut out of here so for all the Snyder cut guys, this is why and hopefully James good is watching and understanding why he got the job

[@waldydelrosario3080]

Michael Keaton's Batman killed Jack Nicholson's Joker. He also killed a bunch of Joker's henchmen.

[@The.Usurper]

Back then people were just happy at the fact they were getting a Batman movie. Now that we've had so many, we want more comic accuracy.

[@kendallfleming5858]

@@The.UsurperThus is the definition of moving the goalpost to the letter

[@rakoonshampoo2608]

@@kendallfleming5858It is moving the goalpost. And that’s not always a bad thing.

[@tntmottley]

Didn’t Joker get himself killed by trying to escape after being tied to a gargoyle?

[@uchihabomber1296]

Idc what has happened in the movies for how Batman should be since I feel we need more comic accuracy to the character in films rather than directors just continuing to just make the man kill someone somehow

[@timothylaskey745]

I also agree 100% with the notion that Snyder did some things really well. For instance his Wonder Woman intro scene got standing ovations and cheers, and I am a die hard WW fan for life. It gave me goosebumps. He nailed her epic power level. However - his original idea for her was very edgy and off character. I’m glad the studio put some guardrails on and Patty Jenkins was able to course correct for the WW movie. Snyder works best as a visual storyteller but he shouldn’t be allowed to write the script without somebody who gets the philosophy

[@ReggieBishop]

Frank Miller's story was more of an endgame. His Bruce had nothing to lose.

[@biggiesmol]

His lack of understanding of Batman goes beyond the no kill code. I mean even blaming Superman for the deaths in metropolis shows his lack of investigative skills.

[@TheeJasonReyes]

Dodged the biggest of bullets...oh boy...to think this guy was everyones choice to lead the DCEU...ugh.

[@nathanstephen389]

Let's just be honest zack never understood the characters and instead misrepresented what the charcaters are and what they stand for which is why their is now such a divide in the dc fendom

[@zacharynewman3959]

Judd Winick actually did put Batman in that situation in the Under the Hood story. And Batman still found a way out of it. So I disagree with Snyder’s opinion.

[@donjon1179]

“There’s no move, there’s no throwing the batarang, no dust ball to distract me. I pull the trigger and I kill this kid” -Snyder on JRE Podcast And that’s where Snyders inability to make use of the “suspense of disbelief” in comic films falls short. This is exactly the scenario Batman would pull off some million to 1 shit where he’s able to disarm the guy without the kid dying/without having to kill the gunman. That’s why Batman is great. Faced against a million to one odds and he figures it out. So glad this guy isn’t directing DC stuff anymore. I respect the efforts but Christ almighty the imagination is lacking on how to properly use the characters who exist in a world of make believe where you can break the rules of reality. This is quite literally quoted by the joker in Batman: Under the Red Hood. Jason has the Joker and Batman at gunpoint and he fires at Batman. Batman dodges the bullet and throws a batarang at the gun and hits it dead center in the barrel and disarms Jason without killing Joker. Joker says and I quote: “I can’t believe you got him! You expert, rootin-tootin, eagle eyed, goth-loving marksman! I love it! You managed to find a way to win…” Like any base level Batman fan would understand this but Snyder has never been a fan of anything he’s a deconstructionist like his fanbase. They love tearing down everything that’s great about a character or franchise and playing this stupid ill-advised game of “what if” with the characters that like he said are some peoples religion

[@The.Usurper]

The problem is most Batman writers are just not smart enough to write a character like Batman, who has an IQ higher than any man who's ever lived. They aren't smart enough to handle the nuance and the depth that is required for a Batman story to truly shine.

[@user-up3lj4br6l]

@@The.UsurperThat's what Batman the animated series did well in my opinion is that that they focused on Batman in more personal ways without deconstructing him but they still kept everything that made Batman special

[@J7ct]

That would be crazy if batman killed. He would probably go insane from the guilt and would be a Batman version of Joker..

[@spoofadventures8331]

No, he wouldn't.

[@J7ct]

Lol I said probably.

[@kaleirrion]

Wow, thank you for this really detailed, informed, and nuanced take. I really appreciate that you dug deep into the source material and thought a lot about what Snyder was saying. What you said was both fair and definitive. I really dislike when people 100% defend or 100% condemn a person’s statement without parsing it for nuance first. Most of the time, any given take isn’t 100% good or 100% bad - there are different points to dissect and think about, even if you agree or disagree with the meat of the statement. Not being able to listen and really connect with others causes a lot of problems in our current society. It goes way beyond arguments about comic book characters and is the cause of a lot of real-world strife over real world issues. In any case, thanks so much for being a voice of reason here. Looks like this video is really blowing up in the comments but I appreciate you coming out and making a video about this, knowing how controversial it would be.

[@BobaTalks]

Thank you so much man. I agree, and just wanted to offer my take on this as both a fan of aspects of Snyder's vision while also not in full alignment with it. This one could indeed cause some spice in the comments, just hope people remain civil 😅

[@kaleirrion]

Yeah there is definitely no need for name calling or outrage even if a person disagrees with Zack, or if they disagree with a person who disagrees with him. That being said, having this insight into his thoughts on Batman kind of illuminates a few things for me, and now I see why he wrote BvS the way he did. I really liked your critique about how that final choice to kill Superman - or spare him - would have had more impact if Batman hadn’t shown such disregard for life earlier. The most effective exploration of the theme that Snyder said he wanted to explore would be a scenario in which two things were simultaneously true: 1) Batman has a no-kill rule, and 2) Batman believes that Superman is a terrifying threat to humanity, and he might be the only person who can stop him - and stopping him might require him to break that rule. I think the whole thing would have played out differently if that were the case. One moment I really love from BvS is when the bomb explodes in the courtroom and Superman has to witness all those deaths, unable to help or to be harmed. To me, Superman has never seemed so simultaneously alien and human in the same moment. Zack really captured something essential about Superman right then, and I wish there were more of those kinds of moments in the movie. @@BobaTalks

[@ii-mp1sp]

@@BobaTalks Keaton: Indirectly killed the Joker and Penguin, and also personally killed their supporters without hesitation (one even with a smile) Bale: Killed the fake Ra's Al Ghul along with a number of League of Shadows fighters and left the real Ra's Al Ghul to die: "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you." Then killed Two-Face saving Gordon's family and killed Talia to intercept the bomb. Ben Affleck: Killed and maimed many of Luthor's mercenaries. Robert Pattinson: During the pursuit of the Penguin, he had an accident that clearly did not go without victims. Also versions of Batman from the series Gotham, Titans and Batwoman: the first killed Ra's Al Ghul (although he was not yet Batman) the other two killed the Joker. And animation: JL: World of War Doom That Came To Gotham The Dark Knight Returns, Parts 1 and 2 Flashpoint Batman Batman vs. Dracula (and pretty much every undead or parademon in the comics or DCAMU) Red son of Batman After that, do you still care if he kills the rank and file?

[@tylercattproducer9583]

I think to sum this right up, you've got the Frank Miller Bat fans disagreeing with the main canon/animated series BatFans which I feel is the majority. Synder is obviously obsessed with TDKR and thought it would work bringing those elements into it, but the point is that story only works because it's after a whole career of sticking to his code, so giving us that version with no context other than a messed up Robin suit just didn't work. I like the Miller Batman but Synder should have just adapted that story like watchmen for DC elseworlds. We all wanted a definitive Bats for the DCEU, not a dumb, insecure, arrogant spoilt brat with anger issues. He was basically more Lex luthor than Eisenburg with his technology and cruel sadistic lines as he is about to kill him.

[@kingklutch1373]

Zack all u did was make batman with comic accurate power level, but writing his character, u missed badly.

[@callmejacob3234]

Batman shouldn't kill because like Spider-Man and Superman he sees the good in people. I miss when Batman was a compassionate and empathetic character. The DCAU Batman is hands down the greatest adaptation of Batman because it's the most human. The movies could learn a thing or two from the DCAU. To me a Batman that cares about his villains and wants them to get better is more compelling than a Batman that kills.

[@designatedpiledriver8216]

Snyder didn’t say batman should kill. He said WHAT WOULD HAPPEN if he did? How would he deal with that. It’s an examination of who batman is. But people are way too basic to let questions like this be explored.

[@HANDLESET1ONE]

LOL..He Read What Snyder Said it. N Snyder's Superheroes Mostly Kills Unnecessary Without Big Reason. N Nolan's TDK Trilogy Explains It Perfectly Great Examples, What zHack Said It.

[@wileytheacmesalesman7760]

I’m going to preface this comment by saying that I am, and have been since I was a kid, a huge Batman fan. I agree that in most stories, Batman shouldn’t kill. I think what Snyder was doing was unique and different and I respect it a lot. When we see Batman in BvS, he isn’t Batman anymore. He’s a monster. Everyone including Alfred knows it. He’s a lost soul. He’s not on the edge and about to fall over, he’s totally lost. His trauma has taken over and he’s lost faith in humanity. In his mind, nobody is good. Nobody stayed that way. He has spent a lifetime losing, including his own soul. He is in Hell, fighting his fellow demons. Superman saves him. Superman represents a self sacrificing Christ figure that pulls Batman out of Hell and gives him a new life and purpose. Now we meet Batman. A Batman who knows what going down that path does to a person. He won’t go back. It’s an origin story really. I personally find it genius. With the Snyder Cut following it up, it makes perfect sense and I can really appreciate the unique story that ends up saying the same thing as the other stories. The moral is the same, Batman doesn’t kill. Affleck is the best Batman. IMO of course.

[@petermj1098]

Bruce still kills Lex Luthor’s men after the Martha moment lol

[@wileytheacmesalesman7760]

Lol. True, but I mainly meant that he clearly changed from BvS to Snyder Cut. Maybe it took him a while to fully come around lol.

[@jakeel85]

The answer to this video is NO. Zack snyder is a hack

[@Geralddd966]

So yall are ok with him crippling people and leting the joker blow up a childrens hospital only to be sent to arkham ...thats dumb

[@chazkhaira6621]

Brilliant analysis

[@dravenlee4473]

No. His entire personality revolves around preventing death and crime. I do like the idea of playing with him accidentally killing people and having to live with that or an Elseworld type story where he does kill without remorse. The mainline Batman though should have a zero kill count.

[@georgelong8177]

More proof , if any was needed , that Snyder has absolutely no clue about the characters he claims to love nor does he care about the fans that actually do understand said characters. So glad WB pulled the plug him

[@jeffreed9869]

This just proves Synder had no clue about the characters. Not understanding or educating the studio that Batman has been in numerous situations in the comics, where he could have killed. But his morals keep him from killing.

[@nemesisprime4501]

It's not just batman killing, he made superman a killer as well with little remorse. And he was obviously trying to make everything dark around him which makes it out of character for the other heroes

[@mikhailskariah6265]

But what if his morals were fading away after a tragedy and I think that was what Snyder was trying to explore

[@dano3013]

well said

[@STAT3201]

Guys & ladies. It's very simple. It's literally the first time we're (the fans) getting to see BATMAN & SUPERMAN!!!!! on the big screen. FIRST TIME. The fans didn't want to see the dark knight returns version of batman first meet superman. The fans of these characters (not snyder fans) made their verdict of his bad movie. Was Ben affleck a pretty bad ass batman? Yes. Henry cavill? Had so much potential as superman unfortunately snyder wasted it. His vision for the DC universe was horrible. Plain & simple

[@GeekCultureWars]

He was on JOE Rogan recently pretty cool...

[@Bertie-Box]

Rogan is overrated

[@tfuniverse1651]

Cool detail was learning at one point Joe wanted to become a comic book illustrator before his art teacher ruined that.

[@GeekCultureWars]

@Bertie-Box didn't watch the episode yet but I like Rogan. He seems fair

[@GeekCultureWars]

@tfuniverse1651 imagine that!

[@dobi287]

​@@Bertie-Boxthe point is his guests not HIM.

[@cefy3117]

Controversial opinion: I don’t like Snyder’s movies

[@plasticweapon]

yeah, real controversial.

[@Victor-qx3vx]

Sounds about right

[@Hectrrod]

How did Harvey Dent die in The Dark Knight? Sorry but that no killing rule doesn’t work like you all say it should work.

[@TheSsjJoker]

As Dark knight returns is one of my favorite Batman stories the book and the movie He does Not Kill he shoot’s that mutant in the hand And as for the others he used rubber rounds in the tank Edit: while I like some of the Dceu But Snyder does not understand these characters

[@SavageTigerMC]

If you aren’t going to stay truthful to the values that make up Batman, you’re making a new version of the character in your imagine, and it’s not Batman.

[@KelvinOdeh]

If Batman kill , there will be no different between him and peace maker

[@zacegan1]

Thought it was funny how Snyder brought up the no win scenario and used an example from a Star Trek episode. Then stated that Captain Kirk hacked the system and found a way to win. Like, that’s what Batman does. He finds a way to win. So, I feel like he missed the point there. On the other hand, DC is a multiverse. In one of the universes Batman is bound to kill. It was kinda cool seeing an old jaded Batman drinking wine and not giving a f*ck. Just don’t believe that was the right move for mainstream audiences at the time.

[@benjaminchamberlain635]

Boba, have you seen the leaks for Batman the caped crusader? Thoughts?

[@BobaTalks]

I have and might talk about them in my next news roundup but it's also hard to as I can't show the images as they're being taken down for copyright everywhere. I think they look really cool though!

[@benjaminchamberlain635]

@@BobaTalks I'd love to hear your thoughts. I really like the vibes, very noir/old fashion Batman. Love the channel man.

[@TGFalk]

Snyder is basically Michael Bay who read a book.

[@mikevilla8230]

That’s an insult to Michael Bay

[@Bertie-Box]

I don't get why people freak out at different interpretations. If you don't like it, fine, but people are allowed to try out new things. Who wants the same thing over and over again?

[@Ronruk]

Watch out for the Superman gatekeepers bro.

[@BobaTalks]

Well that's the thing isn't it - I think perhaps that would be more 'acceptable' for a version of Batman doing that if it was an Elseworlds project for instance. But this was a 'main line' cinematic universe Batman, so the deviation led to a fair bit of alienation/criticism since as even Snyder acknowledges, Batman killing 'isn't canon'. I get what he's saying with regards to putting Batman in different situations and as I say in the video I fully endorse that to provide more rich stories and borderline controversial ones, and this can be done to a mainline Batman, but to arguably 'cross the line' by breaking his 'one rule' with a mainline entry is just perhaps a bit too disruptive. So ultimately, we don't have to have the 'same thing over and over again', as you can create all kinds of new and innovative Batman stories with crazy situations without vastly deviating from who the character is at their core.

[@dobi287]

The "real" DC fans that let all their movies tank

[@dobi287]

​@@BobaTalks2 things. First: *EVERYTHING* outside the main comic continuity is literally "else world". Second: if ppl die from one punch in a bar fight do you really think no one would ever die in a violent encounter with Batman? I'm sorry but way too many comic fans are infantilized and frankly downright delusional. And I get it I was there too but I _grew up_ and accepted what was before my very eyes

[@waldydelrosario3080]

​@@dobi287 Did Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Aquaman, Joker and The Batman tank? No, because the real DC fans went out and watch these DC movies. Take this L.

[@zacharynewman3959]

I just think of Batman’s choice not to kill as a way honor his father who was a doctor and took the Hippocratic oath.

[@nseven1117]

while I understand what Snyder is saying, I do feel like it came from a misunderstanding of the source material. like he's a good director, I like 300 and Dawn of the Dead, but this feels like a misstep. he's also a relatively chill guy as far as I'm concerned. do I think he's a scumbag over this? no, nobody is a scumbag ever just because they didn't understand the source, but I do think he should have done better. the real scumbags are those who demonize him or anyone who dares blaspheme against their comicbook batgod. like criticisms I understand, I too have things to criticize on how he does things, I'm fully aware that he's not a perfect director (that title goes to James Gunn). but to straight up say that he's the worse person on the planet over a comicbook character is going a bit too far.

[@DebzLife]

Snyder is garbage

[@plasticweapon]

comic book morality is garbage.