Batman Does NOT Kill

[@HiTopFilms]

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[@tzfsr]

HiTop Films no problem

[@ghost_pl9259]

That is one of your best videos!

[@AmazingLucasExposed]

Excellent video & points. I agree how it was stupid In Batman v Superman how Batman killed more then 15+ people.

[@loganharbin4702]

I know you only really do videos on superhero movies but I would like to see you do something on the Netflix show end of the fucking world I loved the show and it explores some interesting questions and its only like 2 hours long

[@phntmknight]

Alex, I want to thank you for explaining the MARTHA SCENE, Yes that scene you interpreted contradicts the very fact that Batman in BVS killed lot of people, but holy shit, I'm one of those people who made fun of these, you shared this info. Noe I somewhat realize Zach did add something good, funny thing is that that scene is in the wrong movie.

[@cainemattison109]

I remember reading that Batman learned all the best ways to kill someone so that he could avoid them. That is the true essence of Batman

[@dylang1138]

Do you remember where you read that? I'd love to take a look at it.

[@cainemattison109]

@@dylang1138 I believe it was David Cain who trained him in it but I am not sure of what comic

[@Fifthmiracle]

"I know 6 ways to end this fight; 3 kill, 2 disarm with minimal contact, and the last one hurts!" The Batman. You can guess which one he chooses.

[@cainemattison109]

@@Fifthmiracle Is that from the Dark Knight Returns?

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

Yes that is true

[@TheCraftySam]

“Can you imagine your Batman comforting a scared child? If yes, congratulations, that’s a genuine Batman! If no, you haven’t written Batman, you’ve just written Punisher in a funny hat.” - Red, Overly Sarcastic Productions

[@jigglyunicorns]

CraftySam Netflix punisher would probs comfort some scared kids. Netflix punisher is great

[@batshineman174]

Hey, can you tell me the video where she said that? I'm legitimately curious.

[@TheCraftySam]

@@batshineman174 Red said that in the Trope Talk about Realism at about the three minute mark.

[@batshineman174]

@@TheCraftySam Thank you. 👍

[@nighthawk4744]

JigglyUnicorns yeah. Season 1 and some of season 2 punisher is my favorite depiction of him. Granted I can’t stand him in any over version. Because there is an actual reason/justification for any and everyone he kills in the nexflix series. Season 2’s ending is the punisher I hate. Some a-hole with automatics gunning down dumb kids who need guidance not a grave.

[@raincat2692]

"I love Batman. I love Batman too much. I love Batman so much that it's definitely an unhealthy obsession." Are you dressed in a purple suit and have a fashionable green hair by any coincidence?

[@mizaelmendez3843]

Haha!!

[@gal4xyislost]

Maybe

[@ilikedolphins3059]

N.n.noooooo... Whyy r u asking :)

[@pacol.4302]

He copied MY STYLE

[@acon2253]

You and me both, dude.

[@s.lajoie9961]

I remember the beginning of Batman Beyond was compelling because of this. He was so old his heart gave out and he needed to use a gun to get out alive. As a young kid at the time, it freaked me out. It is only at that moment that he decided to hang up the cowl.

[@aqwkingchampion13]

“Never again.”

[@harrisp584]

I remember this too. Good example. It freaked me out too but I loved how it made sense to explain how terry took the suit

[@mansgotplans]

Honestly would’ve been better if he just resorted to lethal with his normal kit, in the Arkham games if he used those blades or snapped some necks as many times as he knocked someone out with a ton of punches the game would be much more face paced Hell, imagine if the batarangs were all designed to kill? The freeze grenade? The gel? Etc (although not the same Batman lol) Batman, even while old, resorting to a lethal fighting style without the gadgets and just his suit… I’d imagine he’d be make insanely quick work of everybody.

[@animationdude9]

@@mansgotplans Sadly that misses the point. Having Bruce almost use the same kinda weapon that killed his parents has a far greater effect. It’s not about his gadgets. It’s about Bruce and his trauma

[@edoardocastelnovi7154]

​@@animationdude9 Yeah sure, a traumatized overgrown child Who does not kill because he's enjoying himself with all the bone-cracking... Quite borderline I'd say

[@kerbe3]

I love the whole idea behind the Bat signal. A rookie cop asks Gordon why they bother with the signal, aren’t there easier and faster ways to contact the Batman? Jim tells him that of course there are faster better ways to contact Batman, but the signal isn’t as much to call Batman, it’s for everyone else in Gotham. Everyone in Gotham can see the signal so everyone knows that Batman knows. How many would be crimes just end at the sight of the Bat signal?

[@felipebenevides9224]

wow, that actually makes sense. I've always been confused about that signal, tks for the answer

[@inklink6270]

Whoa, never thought about it like that

[@bmvthemoviefanatic7282]

*"It's not just a signal. It's a warning."* 🦇

[@AL_50428]

@@bmvthemoviefanatic7282 that you're about to get your spine ripped in half

[@mr.knight8082]

Eu pensava que era para avisar os policiais sobre quando o Batman iria entrar em ação para eles não invadirem o local e colocar vidas em risco, eu escrevi em português porque agora o KZbin tem tradutor automático

[@jackchapelle4133]

Argument between batman and wonder woman about Robin being a crime fighter at the age of 9 Batman: Robin needed to help bring the men who murdered his family to justice. Wonder woman: so that he could turn out like you? Batman : so that he wouldn't.

[@zodix44]

This is what defines batman

[@batmanfan6207]

Young justice is sooo good

[@nolawnoorder384]

i think bruce doesnt want anyone in the bat family to become "batman"

[@jackchapelle4133]

@@nolawnoorder384 it's not about the title of the "batman" its about what Bruce went through and what he saw in that alley. He wants nobody to experience what he did and that is what makes him a hero

[@nolawnoorder384]

@@jackchapelle4133 agreed

[@thebatman1482]

"You want to know something funny? Even after everything you've done, I still would have saved you" "That's... Pretty funny"

[@thebatman1482]

@@ryanli8371 And that's EXACTLY why Arkham city's Batman is so good. The game would be over in two seconds if Batman killed. In Asylum, joker literally offers himself to be killed multiple times, and Batman always refuses. And even in the end, after hundreds of dead people and am entire city in danger, he still would have saved him. And then there's Affleck Batman, that kills without mercy. That's not Batman. That's the Punisher.

[@thebatman1482]

@@ryanli8371 So he doesn't kill Superman and then he goes out on a killing spree blowing people up? Honestly, I think it's just bad writing. Also because Snyder said he was inspired mainly by the Dark knight returns, except Batman never kills there.

[@ItApproaches]

@@thebatman1482 Yeah, they say they took inspiration from Dark Knight Returns, yet it was all different lol. The only similarity was Batman vs Superman in a fight. The animated movie was how it should be. Though a female Robin was weird lol.

[@aryan7767]

@@thebatman1482 also its interesting to point out how joker only works cause of batman's no killing rule. yes the joker is quite dangerous and is really smart, but batman is smarter and is always physically superior to him. joker is interesting to challenge batman;'s no killing policy. he really should be killed. there is no redemption. but that's batman flaw. its his strength as well. he can't kill anyone, not even someone as morally repugnant as joker.

[@thebatman1482]

@@aryan7767 That's his advantage. That's the only weakness he uses to fuck with Batman. He always offers himself to be killed and that would solve everything, but Batman can't do it and everytime it ends up with dozens of people killed. That's the beauty of it. The fact that Affleck still hasn't killed him is a plothole.

[@elizander5902]

“It’s easy to kill, Batman does not make the easy choice” that’s the best line in the video bar none

[@caffeinatedlizard3593]

I guess the person that flipped the switch on Ted Bundy's electric chair is a despicable human being and another murder in the world huh? That person also went onto become a serial killer after flipping the switch on Bundy's electric chair

[@Powerhaus88]

No, he just makes the stupid selfish one.

[@edoardocastelnovi7154]

​@@Powerhaus88 I'd also argue that he's hypocritical too. No killing, but breaking bones' fine?

[@itszu6836]

​@@Powerhaus88 kid you need to read the Batman who laughs comics 💀

[@itszu6836]

​@@edoardocastelnovi7154 causing a trauma works like an antidote that reminds a criminal, he needs to be changed. Ever heard of plastic man? If not go read it

[@lucaskennington9101]

The funniest thing is that in the DCEU he lets the Joker and Harley Quinn, actual supervillains, live, but he murders hired thugs who are much easier to rehabilitate.

[@aidanmorley3736]

It's worst part about his portrayal in the DCEU. It doesn't make sense for Batman to have snapped and become a killer if the Joker is still alive.

[@bulletchains8205]

and in the Arkham games too, but Batman fans live in a echo chamber of false morality and have convinced themselves IF HE DOESN'T KILL, THEN THEY DID HIM RIGHT, kinda like how All Star Batman made Dick Grayson eat rats and shit also he says Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller didn't kill but he literally killed the Joker la mao.

[@Arkhamman2023]

@@bulletchains8205 Batman doesn’t kill in the Arkham games Bruh.

[@angel_aeon]

@@bulletchains8205 Lmao he literally tells the Joker "even after everything you've done, I would've saved you." at the end of Arkham city and he only goes ham on enemies that are almost impossible to kill (Solomon Grundy, Clayface) and those who can resurrect themselves (Ra's Al Ghul).

[@bulletchains8205]

@@angel_aeon he literally bashes people's heads off concrete how are they alive yo

[@xaero5150]

"If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world stays the same"- Batman. "That's why you kill a bunch" -Punisher

[@ThatGuyAnonymous]

😂😂 This made my day

[@bestteapartyever2877]

Okay but if you kill like a hundred killers, then it goes down by like 99 lol

[@GnosticLucifer]

But the remaining killer is a better killer more likely to kill so the amount of killing is more or less the same. In fact if kill a bunch, there would probably be bunch of friends and family members which might increase the number... That's why the right thing to do for reducing number of killers is to burn the world down.

[@xaero5150]

@@GnosticLucifer A better killer of killers, so it kind of evens out.

[@GnosticLucifer]

@@xaero5150 ohhh, I didn't realize that cause I put myself in there and I'm more like the people who relate to the characters who just love killing after their first kill... Majo no tabitabi episode 9 still haunts me AND makes me feel exited! It's on youtube, go scar your soul!

[@dashman8499]

Batman not killing also adds a lot to his skill, because that means he is never really fighting all out.

[@jonafangk1288]

in his line of work killing will make it so much easier..this defines his skills in combat and strategy

[@2doso121]

Thats why in the dark multiverse the grim knight (a version of batman that does kill) is weaker and less skilled

[@clerkwithamouth]

It takes more to pull your punches than to fully follow through. Especially in rapid succession.

[@sketchydude8431]

I've read somewhere that Bruce purposely learned some assassin and killing techniques, but doesn't actually use them, but instead uses that to know what not to do something that could kill someone.

[@noahthompson5010]

@@sketchydude8431 He learned them from David Cain a villain in his training before he became batman and he still hasn't used them

[@RahulSharma-wq4qy]

"All the people I've murdered by letting you live." "I never kept count." "I did." "And I love you for it." Goosebumps.

[@saltytattie833]

"it's easy to kill, Batman does not make the easy choice" flashbacks to playing Dishonored.

[@handless7677]

Underrated comment is underrated.

[@LelouDX]

Just finished playing the first Dishonored a couple of months ago on low chaos. Great game. Tried high chaos for shits and giggles a few weeks back and when it came to the last part of the game where Simon told me that he hated me I couldn't take it and stopped the playthrough lol

[@maxwellmroz8006]

I read that as soon as you said that lol

[@weebtrash3807]

I love dishonored

[@dragos8839]

Too bad the second one is so hard it's retarded

[@OrryMaine]

This is precisely why I don't agree, like, or even entertain the idea the Iron Man is marvel's Batman. NO! The closest Marvel has ever come to a Batman character is Daredevil.

[@JJSogaard]

Yeah but Daredevil is kind of something inbetween of Batman and Spider-Man. He doesn't have crazy powers like Spider-Man but he also doesn't work without any powers at all. He has more subtle powers. He is not rich, but he is also not a poor student either. He is a lawyer. And he is fighting street-level crime like Batman and Spider-Man.

[@trell_1176]

U do kno he’s not comparing the two right🤨

[@waltz9533]

Iron Man is literally the opposite of Batman in every way except they're both rich

[@OrryMaine]

@@JJSogaard well my comparison was strictly the hero itself. Tony Stark is Marvel's Bruce Wayne, BUT Iron Man is NOT Marvel's Batman. Separating the the hero persona from the person. The Hero Daredevil is more so the Marvel Batman than Ironman. Yes Daredevil has super Blindness lol but at the heros core, Batman doesn't kill, Daredevil doesn't kill. Batman relies on military gear and armor, Daredevil relies on something similar. They're not exactly the same, but they're more similar than Batman and Ironman.

[@JJSogaard]

Orry Maine. I agree completely. I use Marvel Unlimited to read comics (which I am still a newb at) and I prefer Marvel over DC. But my favorite hero overall is Batman. Since every Batman comic I read has to be bought separately, I was looking for a Marvel character that would scratch my Batman-itch. I like Daredevil because he has a lot of the characteristics that make me enjoy Batman (e.g. the detective aspect). So he has a lot of similarities to Batman in crucial areas but is still very much his own character and not just a Batman ripoff. And then he also is more Marvel-ish (more normal and human) and integrates into my preferred superhero universe.

[@michaele.6785]

I thought that this was gonna be a 15 minute montage of Batman clearly killing people

[@Lone_Rocket]

You got something better.

[@ineedbreadloreman5757]

same but I got something better

[@jiado6893]

All the people superheroes knock out in one blow? There's no way in hell they're not getting horrible brain trauma. They die from brain damage years later, with mental disabilities and personality disorders, like our football players. I enjoy the action of cartoons, movies and videogames. But remember, Houdini (who actually trained Bruce) died from a punch to the stomach. Also yes, derailing that train in Batman Begins probably killed a bunch of pedestrians.

[@hshsudydhdhs6332]

Tbh I did too 😂😂😂

[@grimyhr]

batman kills so many people, its what makes him awesome.

[@fisher3317]

I absolutely love your reworking of the Martha scene. Just that simple little fix of giving Batman his "no kill rule" back would've turned that stupid moment into such a powerful scene.

[@KGC-000B]

You just recreated a scene, a scene that's average, and turned it into comic book gold

[@theshotgunshowdown2426]

i 100%agree

[@matthewdang1774]

Agreed as Well, the scene can be so much better, if it was built up properly and the things that happened before that scene were well thought out and written

[@emanuelazote8988]

I literally reply that part because it's so dam good.

[@Jacob-zk1jy]

Batman does not kill? wrong. Batman *didn't kill*

[@fgwrts]

I'd say less than average

[@themannymouse]

"It's easy to kill. Batman does not make the easy choice. Batman does not kill." I don't care about "right" or "wrong" interpretation, your analysis of the character is the one I find most compelling. It's the version of Batman I want to see.

[@gabeyogi6371]

thats the batman we want

[@the_addict1711]

It's the version of Batman we ALL want to see. If Batman killed he'd wouldn't be a symbol. He would be a coward and a murderer.

[@dobi287]

@@the_addict1711 then i guess he's a coward and a murderer 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@electri-citywatts]

@@dobi287 N O, if batman kills, he's a failure

[@dobi287]

@@electri-citywatts based on?

[@subhammishra7228]

i cant believe this dude just convinced me that the martha scene could have actually worked. EDIT- warzone alert! participate at your own mental risk.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

only if batman doesn't kill at that point, to the point.

[@thekachigga9255]

@@Gadget-Walkmen that’s why he said “could have”

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@thekachigga9255 sure.

[@ebrahimmunsif]

I mean it actually works, if u think about it regardless of Batman killing or not

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@ebrahimmunsif LMAO no it doesn't work at all. We ALL thought about it and it's still nonsense. The Martha moment is complete nonsense and not plausible in the slightest. Essentially Batman just suddenly becomes friend with Superman just because they’re mothers share the same name. By that logic Batman should just become friends with everyone he has problems with if they’re mothers name is Martha. Whatever ptsd crap he was going through in the moment is still illogical because he was killing people before and AFTER the scene with Superman so he really only became friends with him because they’re mother’s name is Martha and nothing more. That’s not happening in anyway since it's pure nonsense.

[@michaelquire7940]

Putting good men in extremely difficult circumstances, and watching them somehow preserve their soul - despite their flaws - makes for great storytelling. EDIT: A lot of moral arguments in the commments, but I'm referring to storytelling in general. Bottom line: Killing would be a violation of Batman's conscious. Thats his conviction - without it - he is far less unique and interesting.

[@captainrick4513]

this... this right here is my exact thought process for my story I'm in the works of.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

When preserving your soul means letting innocent people die then you are not a good man.

[@captainrick4513]

@@JDoe-gf5oz No... I see a different meaning. Killing a life, to save a life... doesn't make you a villain. Your hands are tainted, but your soul only becomes tainted if you choose killing as your first option. It is a last resort that is never to be considered until everything else has failed. Some foes... can't be reasoned with, it is not wrong to fight or kill for the sake of protecting the lives of others. Your soul only becomes tainted if you let yourself enjoy taking the life of another, even if they were a monster incapable of redemption. Look at Superman vs Zod in Man of Steel. He killed Zod, saving people's lives, but he didn't rejoice over his death, his soul remained pure for the mere fact that he felt guilt for taking a life.

[@kittensareawesome2789]

@@JDoe-gf5ozIt isn’t Batman’s responsibility to kill villains, that is the work of the Justice system. Bruce cannot be Judge, Jury and Executioner, then you’d be demonizing him for that. He takes on the role as protector of the innocent, minimizing the harm the villains cause. It is the role of the government to decide what their fate is when they’re caught. It is not Batman’s fault they are corrupt, and even a billionaire can only do so much to actually fix what’s broken. He is already despised by many, imagine how many more would hate him if he took it out of the hands of the police?

[@theirongiants]

That's the point of a lot of Batman villains.

[@swivelshivel6576]

Remember, Batman will never kill you. He’ll just make you wish you were dead.

[@randomdude1956]

It's true, Batman pulled out the Bat card, and I wanted to shoot myself!

[@callymash2432]

batman doesn't kill..... but alive is a very broad term.

[@lilbillix]

Facts

[@aaronorchard]

Jokes on him I want to die anyways

[@rubencovaciu1910]

Swivel Shivel He just breaks every bone in the bodies of the people he fightss

[@alexanderh9642]

"If you can't see your Batman comfort a child, you didn't write Batman, you just wrote Punisher in a silly hat" same goes for killing. It's his humanity that makes him special. Without it, he's just a crazy guy in a cape

[@nito2032]

👌

[@thejumpkickpanda3698]

Well said man, well said! 👏

[@jaegercat6702]

Thanks Red from OSP

[@smexyboi8467]

The real important thing is not the not killing rule, but the not killing JOKER rule. No Batman has ever killed a Joker, wether that be from sheer will power, or because that’s your fucking wife. And you may say that The Batman Who Laughed proves the rule wrong, but when you think about it, that Joker never really died. He just lived on through Bruce’s body, carrying out his sadistic dreams, with nobody to stop him. And Batman knew this was a possibility, but was to blinded with rage to realize. And think about it: whenever a Joker died, Batman is the one who always carries the guilt, even when the Joker kills himself.

[@DarkKnight_]

Exactly like what Batman did to Ace in Justice league unlimited. If your Batman can't do that, he isn't Batman

[@mlgsquid0219]

This man just made the “Martha” scene actually meaningful

[@harshithpabboju]

Because he understood it unlike most of the people

[@Mayaxeditz]

U don’t understand the rule mate

[@enriquearroyo8431]

"Because that's what heroes do"

[@Sathya_1996]

"Why did you say that name??!!" 😂

[@thibautisserant]

Just got to ask, how the hell does Lois knows what name Clark had said ? I don't think he says it when she's in any distance to hear "Martha".

[@Kingofhumans]

That’s why heroes like Batman and Spider Man are such good heroes

[@raiderking7310]

Same with captain America

[@AmanKumar-ty8kc]

Batman is a villain responsible for the death and suffering his boyfriend the joker has caused.

[@goldj6471]

@@AmanKumar-ty8kc To be honest that is the ONLY reason why I have a problem with his "NO KILLING" rule, I mean fine don't kill him but at the least paralyze him or break his bones or something(to the point where he can't do shit). simple🤷‍♂

[@Auvas_Damask]

​@@goldj6471He lets him die, which will happen sooner or later due to his own plans to break Batman, but he does NOT pull the trigger

[@juanix9948]

​@@goldj6471like every common thug in the arkham games basically

[@rosaurobucu4551]

Thats what joker is obsessed abt batman. Joker want to see him break his rule.

[@candraningtyas2260]

Tell joker just watch the movie

[@MrLicoriceTree]

@@candraningtyas2260 English?

[@thesatelliteslickers907]

I thought it explained in the story the war of jokes and riddles that the main reason the joker is infatuated with batman Is that batman is a giant joke. And its just fun to push the mans buttons and see him respond

[@youtubeblah809]

TheFatPotato that is English

[@Shags_]

@@thesatelliteslickers907 joker push's batman's buttons to see if he can get him to respond with murder.

[@NumbSkull2602]

“Scum, maybe, but even scum have families”- Batman: Year One by Frank Miller & David Mazzucchelli, 1987

[@dongbong7405]

Damn right

[@DaisahMephisto]

The animated movie was so good.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

what if their nobody orphans?

[@NumbSkull2602]

LudicrousKid Didn’t think of that... probably got kids or, like an uncle or something... mates at least

[@Auron1Roxas2]

Remember that time batman locked KG Beast down in a sewer and left him to starve? Or basically was cool with Jim shooting the joker? Oh no you don't because your dumbass doesn't read comics.

[@nickstephenson1125]

Batman has a “no kill” rule but he does have a “beat them into a medically induced coma for the rest of their life” rule

[@letwen]

You seriously commented this and The Batman trailer drops 1 hour later with him beating someone so hard to induced coma

[@swapbriarASMR]

@@letwen THE BATMAN TRAILER DROPPED WHAT THE

[@aaaaa3141]

@@letwen hahaha well this is a movie of young batman

[@albertohuerta6963]

He breaks their bones and then says, “now talk.”

[@abdulhannan5256]

the movie is based on his first 2 years as batman HE HAVENT IMPLYED THIS RULE YET YOU DUMBASSES

[@rickblaine9670]

Well said. Like, the whole reason Batman is interesting is that he constantly lives in darkness, he even dresses himself in it, his iconography is defined by it, but despite this he is one of the most unrelenting champions of the light. This contradiction is what lets him jump from being a good character to being a great one.

[@MuriloAraújo-j2x]

Im my opinion batman shouldnt kill without hesitation like tim burtons batman(still they are my favorite batman movies)but should kill if he has no other choice,there a ton of batman stories like that and in my opinion they work better than most.writing a pascifist Batman is too hard.

[@ElPolloLoco7689]

@@MuriloAraújo-j2x Arkham Batman.

[@swishfish8858]

While Superman shines light on the things that lurk in the dark, Batman works behind those things and pushes them into the light. That's one thing that makes them such a great pair.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

He's not just a "great character", Batman is one of the GREATEST and MASSIVELY iconic characters of all time because of it. He's a hero that's meant to look like a villain, but he's STILL ultimately a hero and a good person at the end of the day no matter how brutal his methods are in fighting and how much he scares his criminals and enemies because he's ultimately trying to help and save them all from experiencing the same trauma and pain he dealt. That's why Batman doesn't EVER kill, he's trying to save everyone in Gotham by being a dark creature of the night that's a force for good! That's Batman at his core.

[@jaidevtyagi1033]

"It's easy to kill, batman does not make the easy choice. Batman does not kill" ***Period YES EXACTLY***

[@angelacosta1412]

@kavikiru kavikiru or Tim Burton, Joel Schumacher or Christopher Nolan

[@oneeyedsleep4107]

@@angelacosta1412 but batman doesn't kill in the Christopher Nolan movies... it's literally one of the main sources of conflict.

[@angelacosta1412]

@@oneeyedsleep4107 He killed several members of the League Of Shadows when he blew up their lair in Batman Begins, killed Joker's goon when he drove the Tumbler under the truck while in the Narrows & killed Harvey Dent when he tackled him off the ledge in The Dark Knight & shot Thalia's driver before she crashed to her death in The Dark Knight Rises.

[@CheddarBayBiscuit1]

@@angelacosta1412 The Nolan Batman only killed out of necessity. He still tried to uphold his no kill rule, and it was touched upon within the movies. Yeah, but he killed someone a few times haha let’s make that justify gunning down criminals with machine guns in Batflecks movies haha

[@angelacosta1412]

@@CheddarBayBiscuit1 As long as you can admit that Nolan made Batman kill. The comment I was responding to said Nolan never made him kill & you confirmed that he did. Doesn't matter why or how, people need to stop saying Nolan never had Batmam kill when he clearly did.

[@Andre-uu5xv]

Your first mistake was trying to convince the internet. You could make a perfect argument but there will always be that one guy who just ignores you and nitpicks at your argument. Good video tho

[@javierdominguez8547]

This.

[@Acegaming0588]

He didn't make the easy choice did he.

[@90sanimemusiclyrics73]

It's not a mistake. It's a good justification of a new viral content

[@HUMAN-fq5ff]

He's also being "that one guy" by nitpicking everything that Zack Snyder had said.

[@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez]

@@HUMAN-fq5ff how is he nitpicking what Snyder said? Snyder obviously understands literally nothing about Batman, doesn't actually watch movies like the Nolan Trilogy, poorly remembers comics like The Dark Knight Returns and The Killing Joke (I've read both) or doesn't care, and overall does an extremely piss poor job at going against Batman's No Killing Rule with any logic or reason. There are other reasons why Batfleck murdering people makes no sense not mentioned in this video like Joker being alive in the DCEU makes literally zero sense because if Batman ever started killing, Joker is literally number one on the list, also that Batman exists in an extended universe with other characters who have no kill rules, meaning his actions wouldn't be tolerated while films like The Burton movies exist in their own universe, etc. Just because you are incapable of understanding a well thought out argument against Snyder, doesn't mean it's nitpicking.

[@JosiahFickinger]

Title Batman Does NOT Kill Me: Say that to all the goons I've killed in the Lego Batman games.

[@GalazyProductions]

They just reasemble after a couple of hours

[@Hybrid225]

Technically u break their legs and arms but doctors just put em back

[@papawedge7396]

Lego games were low-key gore bro.

[@JosiahFickinger]

@@Hybrid225 Haha yes. And I'm pretty sure they're all just clones.

[@gospelxtreme]

😆 🤣

[@angerypotato7430]

The scene in Iron Man you showed works for Tony's character because he specifically targeted the terrorists in the least destructive way he could. He was blowing shit up, sending people flying, but the moment doing that would put an innocent in harms way, he switches to the homing weapon and they just silently drop at the same time, leaving the civilians unharmed, because he WAS that civilian, he doesn't want to hurt people that suffered and are suffering like he suffered, he wants to hurt the people causing it. With the Batman v Superman scene, not only does it fly in the face of the No Kill Rule, it also endangers anybody who might be around. He uses a fucking minigun to set a van on fire and then runs it over, blowing it up in the process. Where did the bullets go? Where did the shrapnel go? Probably a bystander who couldn't get away while this was happening. That batman isn't a hero, that batman is the worst kind of vigilante: A man who not only flies in the face of the law, but endangers the innocents he supposedly protects through his attempts to keep them safe. Setting off a pipe bomb in the mailbox of the local pedophile is going to hurt the neighbors as well.

[@johnmarston853]

That Batman would had been one of the "heroes" that Superman has to save people from in Kingdom Come

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

Some of what you’re saying isn’t true AT ALL here. I disagree MASSIVELY that BvS Batman isn’t a “hero”, he STILL is a hero but a very problematic one that arguably is not the best plenty out there. Batman uses explosives and blows things up as well and is STILL massively degraded as a hero. But when Batman uses his explosives to blow things up, he’s not endangering any innocent people’s lives AT ALL. That’s what any good hero needs to do. What you’re saying about any innocent bystanders getting caught in the process of any bullets and shrapnels of when Batman uses his mini gun to blow up the van, what you’re saying is a bunch of “what if scenarios” that really aren’t valid. Yes the mini gun is reckless but you can go into “what if” scenarios all day and it still won’t get you anywhere because you’re imagining things hypothetically without any concrete evidence for as you can mindlessly say that for ANY scar too for when a superhero does anything which is completely unfair and invalid to say when there’s clearly no evidence to back it up. Especially in that scene where the warehouse was in abandoned neighborhood with NO ONE else is located other than the thugs and goons Batman is there to take out. The problem with the BvS Van scene was that it was unnecessary violence ALL for the sake of visual spectacle. Which Snyder is guilty of doing. Batman could have easily taken down that van down without having to kill anyone at all in the process. The Ironman killing people is the thing that you’re right in saying because Ironman is willing to kill people and he doesn’t have a no kill rule but he’s willing to kill to save innocents and not in a super destructive way as he killed those terrorist in a very subtle quiet manner without putting anyone in harm’s way. Unlike in BvS where you have Batman seemingly willing not really willing to care about who he destroys in the process which IS problematic but more importantly, Batman didn’t need to kill ANYONE in that movie AT ALL.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@johnmarston853 Like I said, that Batman in the movie of BvS is STILL is a hero but a very problematic one that arguably is not the best out there to save all life.

[@miguelcastillo3723]

For a second I thought he actually got Zack Snyder in an interview

[@kaiphan1346]

he did i think

[@officialtoddhoward69]

@@kaiphan1346 No, he just used clips from an official media source and edited the clips for the joke

[@officialtoddhoward69]

@Raihan Nafis kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmG9dWmNotplgpo

[@Vibe1610]

@@kaiphan1346 Lmao the video is that convincing huh? 😂😂😂

[@toxintw8642]

@@kaiphan1346 no he didn’t I saw the interview but hitop wasn’t there plus The youtuber was being rude to znyder But znyder had a ok feeling So he faked it

[@logarithm41]

"All the people I've murdered, by letting you live..." "I never kept count" "I did" "I know, and I love you for it" The best exchange between Batman and Joker in all of DC imo

[@tallas12]

Batman? Darling.

[@tgkthebawse]

The Killing Joke's ending is better IMO.

[@karmicpiper1358]

@@tgkthebawse the joke at the end lowkey isn't even funny

[@DepressedFishey123]

@@karmicpiper1358 it's not supposed to be it's supposed to be symbolism for there situation

[@gigeorge6sic6]

That first line is probably my favorite Batman quote. To me at least, it illustrates the guilt and devastation of letting Joker live all those years, only for him to repeatedly escape and kill innocents. Imagine that crushing feeling of repeatedly putting Joker and other psychos in a cell for all those years; but only to realize you made virtually no positive impact on Gotham, while crime & murder is still rampant and all that work was for nothing. By letting Joker live all those years due to Batman’s self-righteous moralist “no kill policy”, Batman is just as much responsible as for the demise of many innocent lives as Joker. His no kill policy actually killed more innocents than if he killed one villain, thus preventing the demise of many innocents.

[@Lol-ym2ne]

“ it’s easy to kill, Batman does not make the easy choice. Batman does not kill” fucking said it dude, perfectly describes Batman’s entire moral code in one sentence. As a huge Batman fan, I salute you.

[@y.kazayaki3681]

Leaving criminals in the cold street with internal injuries is fine . Since they'll be dead in a few hours. "Batman does not kill" indeed

[@anweshpradhan1842]

@@y.kazayaki3681 Batman has not intention of killing.

[@cothinker680]

@@y.kazayaki3681 police will pick them up

[@robertclaridad8226]

Exactly as Spider-Man's moral code

[@ngalbar]

just because a choice is easy doesn't mean you shouldn't choose it sometimes the easy choice is the best choice and exactly whats happening that situation the easy choice was the best choice

[@genericsidecharacter8915]

8:30 Holy shit, when you recontextualized the Batman v Superman Martha, it hit so deep. Holy shit. Just by making the characters true to themselves, you didn’t even have to change the scene.

[@josiahp.6960]

It makes you think, maybe there was somebody in the writers' room who had a clue, but then it just got buried in all the movie's bullshit.

[@sidequest_studio]

Seriously! It made the tension and weight of the scene bring a tear to my eye. The impact of, “you’re not even a man!” Juxtaposed with having a mother makes the whole scene actually make sense. If the movie had been laying the groundwork for Batman to not kill and be a good guy like he always had been, suddenly that choice to kill Superman becomes significantly more impactful and heavy.

[@jessicapinkman-hd4bw]

because you just want these characters to live in a vacuum

[@josiahp.6960]

@@jessicapinkman-hd4bw yeah, no kidding. My favorite version of Wolverine has no claws, no adamantium, doesn't smoke cigars, and isn't a smartass. He's just a "different take on the character." Has nothing to do with the character, but because people who know nothing about the source material say he's the same guy, it must be true, right?

[@genericsidecharacter8915]

@@jessicapinkman-hd4bw wdym

[@zingtea]

"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you... from my bullets"

[@justyouandme6444]

zingtea your comment made my day 😂

[@AsgersWeb]

😂

[@charlestonlove6387]

"You better run, run, run.. outrun my gun"🎶

[@johnathanbuckner4450]

“I don’t have to kill you but I have 16 little fast hallow friends who would like to talk to you”

[@themk4982]

zingtea Even in that scene Batman kills him. Batman knows he can't get off and he knows that Gordon is going to derail the train AND Batman just bet the crap out of him.

[@theodoreroosevelt9105]

“The best revenge is not to be like your enemy.” ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

[@shrapnelized5891]

Absolute respect

[@mehdiouabas9587]

EXACTLY

[@RadinV1]

Exactly. You know what? Snyder is a hack.

[@Pineapple-wx3om]

Theodore Roosevelt congrats on 600

[@mehdiouabas9587]

At some point not being like him is being the victime of the story,sometimes its worth fighting,and sometimes its not

[@PrestonK_Productions]

Making Batman a killer is like making The Punisher a pacifist.

[@WhiteJeezus]

Underrated comment right here

[@libertyprime619]

He was a killer before, used to carry gund

[@PrestonK_Productions]

@@libertyprime619 Yes, we all know this already. And how long has that been? Nearly 80 years since he was a killer? Has there ever been an actually interesting Batman story where he killed people? Killing Joke, Red Hood, ectera.

[@PandaAndrews1]

@@PrestonK_Productions every live action batman movie so far has batman killing people hahab

[@outstandingdogmarron9890]

PandasDontBreed no, the Christopher Nolan’s ones didn’t. Also, the Tim Burton ones are cool but Batman isn’t interesting. Also, he doesn’t kill in the Joel Schumacher films or the Adam West film.

[@theghost8914]

A lot of people don’t realize the exact reason why he doesn’t kill. It’s not really to stop himself from being like the criminals he stops. Batman is hyper aware of his mental state. He knows that he is insane and if he lets himself slip even for a moment then he would turn out the same way superman did in the injustice story. It would never end. So he can’t kill no matter how good of a reason. Cause once he starts he won’t ever stop.

[@Jasdewisafarmer]

Best take

[@petermj1098]

Batman refuses to kill criminals because he doesn’t want to be anything like Joe Chill- his parents murderer. If he killed he would be even more haunted by his parents death knowing he is a killer just like Joe Chill. Batman wants to be nothing like Joe Chill or any other criminal worse than Joe Chill.

[@VioletAeonSnowfield]

Okay. But no. The problem with Injustice was never that Superman killed. Which is something a lot of Injustice fans (and Injustice 2 itself) seems to not realize. The problem with what Superman does in Injustice is that he and a bunch of his super powered friends decide to establish a totalitarian regime that forces the entire world into subjugation. The issue with Injustice is the exact same as the issue with the storylines where Superman is a Nazi or a Communist. Superman's propensity to kill people who quite frankly should've been legally executed by their world's government is irrelevant.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

What Batman are you even talking about? That's pretty specific and doesn't match many of the versions we've seen over the years, especially the tv and movie versions.

[@theghost8914]

@@JDoe-gf5oz ngl i dont remember. i just vaguely remember that being the main reason he doesnt kill.

[@Jacob-wu3if]

You made the Martha scene a beautiful moment instead of a meme. Subscribed.

[@nathanhough8156]

Same

[@z7983]

No, he explained how it COULD have been made into a beautiful moment. The actual scene which was in the movie is still garbage.

[@SparkShadow212]

@@z7983 Zaid he meant that the scene that HiTop Films made were better than the actual scene.

[@Nightman221k]

If you re-edit the movie without Batman as a killer then it could work. Someone should have made that call before it was released.

[@mwtwombley]

Same

[@theyakkoman]

"More than anyone in the world, when you scratch everything else away from Batman, you're left with someone who doesn't want to see anybody die." Superman, Kingdom Come

[@alexwade5785]

theyakkoman then why did he let al ghul die? 🤔🤔

[@gotohellfast1986]

@@alexwade5785 because he knew al ghul would not stop. he was not responsible for al ghuls death, but he didnt have to save him either. al ghul made his choice when he tried to commit genocide in gotham.

[@blzahz7633]

+Alex Wade Choosing not to help someone isn't the same as killing them. Leaving someone to their own devices is not the same as ending them. Walking away isn't the same as murder. Thousands of people are killed worldwide at this very moment, and yet we (you, me, cousin Tom and Lisa next door) are not doing anything about it, are we killing them? Is that the same as killing them? Sure we can't help all of them, but we could choose to even help just one, yet we aren't even trying to find out who we can help; whose death could we prevent if instead of watching youtube videos we went out and saved someone. For whatever reason we are making a choice not to, and that doesn't make us killers. We just deem it's not worth the trouble, not worth sacrificing ourselves, not worth our time nor our comfort. We aren't even trying (giving money to charity is just a way of bribing one's own guilt) I know this is a shitty thing to say, but it still doesn't change the fact that we aren't trying everything we can - and that is something we have to come to terms within ourselves. Everything in life is a trade off, with what choices are you willing to live with? Is someone else's time more important to you than your own? These are the questions everyone should be asking themselves. So if someone has a moral stance of not killing, it isn't an obligation to save everyone.

[@keitholsen9435]

Kingdom Come is one of my favourite comics. And i really like that Batman doesn't kill too. It's just that when he does kill, it's interesting to see what pushed him over the edge. And how in the end he became good again. Or how maybe in this universe, he never becomes good. The reason why Kingdom Come and many other comics are popular, is because the writers have liberty to deconstruct characters..just like in The Dark Knight Returns, where Batman kills. Saying that Batman should never kill, is denying Batman the story arcs that have been so important to his character, that reinforces why he should not kill. It's like saying Batman can never fail.

[@1r0zz]

@@alexwade5785 Because he have the Lazarus Pit...duh.

[@AluminumFusion22]

A quote I heard somewhere sums up what Batman should be: "If you can't see your interpretation of Batman comforting a child who lost their parents to mindless violence at the hands of criminals, you did not write Batman."

[@pacman5698]

Ace from the DCAU...

[@LorianandLothric]

The Batman got so many things right with the character

[@khaledm.1476]

Pretty sure cops killed a bunch of serial killers and can still comfort children, soldiers have also killed and could comfort refuges. I dislike the fact that killing=evil, because there are genuine reasons especially in self defense. Oh these armed soldiers are invading our country, better disarm and tie them up while fighting a war... surely this won't give them a major advantage. It also feels like batman can wreck no-name thugs and spare the actual main villains, like batman doesn't actually check if that thug he threw off the 13 floor is still alive

[@HappyGingerWolf]

Red from OSP? "Can you imagine this batman comforting a scared child? If you can't I'm afraid you've just got the punisher in a silly mask" (The video is trope talk: antiheroes)

[@DovahFett]

@@khaledm.1476 None of the occupations you mentioned or the people that fill them are equivalent to being Batman. The point stands.

[@samuraigames4125]

I never thought about the scene in BvS like you explained. This video was honestly a masterpiece and that's why batman is the best superhero ever.

[@gshepherd6141]

...That movie was pure garbage, he made the scene better, but it wasn't intended by the producers.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@gshepherd6141 The movie wasn't "pure garbage", cinematically it was EXTREMELY well done and beautifully well shot and acted (ex lex luthor), it's just that the script was really REALLY bad for rushing SO much iconic plot lines right off the bat and mischaracterizing some characters.

[@gshepherd6141]

by the way, if batman does kill he'd use a gun, He wouldn't be traumatized by a gun because that would be definition of a coward which batman isn't. He'd snipe every criminal out there and there would be 0 left making his life easier and able to focus on all threats of earth 100%. But then no one would trust him.@@Gadget-Walkmen

[@Kaito-Kun2341]

​@@gshepherd6141 cry us a river ironman fan

[@seynpurrp]

the movie was very good, unfortunately tho, he kills people in that movie, which is probably why i barely remember any of zack snyders movies

[@DABMANISAWESOME]

“It has nothing to do with easy. It’s about doing what’s right because it’s right and that’s the only reason why.” -Batman

[@veritas4733]

Which passage is this from again?

[@DABMANISAWESOME]

Beyond Hope Son of Batman

[@CarlosSantana-gi6rt]

Except that the right thing is to kill the bad guy, and that's a fact.

[@veritas4733]

@@CarlosSantana-gi6rt No. Not if ur Batman

[@ItsMeStrider]

@@CarlosSantana-gi6rt yeah no.

[@LordDarkwater]

I love the HISHE bit where the joker's like "hit me! hit me!" and batman is heading for him on his bike. Cut to superman and batman in the cafe': "So you actually hit him? What about your rule?" - "Didn't kill him" - Cut to hospital with joker covered from top to bottom in plaster cast

[@abysswalker2115]

See like that is an excellent instance of the no kill rule. It was a parody, and they used the rule in a comedic effect. If those guys could use the no kill rule in an interesting and unconventional way, then I don’t see why Hollywood can’t.

[@ALJ9000]

*weakly* You wanna know, how I got these scars?

[@toe_sucker_4165]

Batman *would* learn how exactly to hit someone with a bike and not kill them.

[@nobilityknight9949]

@@ALJ9000 "Mmm..from Batman?" Nurse questions

[@ALJ9000]

@@nobilityknight9949 “From Batman.” Joker responds

[@Croatilillious]

Love when you gotta explain basic fundamentals about a comic book character to people who have only seen the movie version of that character. And a bad movie version at that

[@theunknowncommenter725]

There has NEVER been a bad movie version of Batman, so I don't know what you are talking about.

[@guitarsoap]

“Batman does not make the easy choice.” I dunno why but that line hit my heart real hard

[@IronheartvsMiles]

BATMAN DOES NOT KILL

[@Tenchi707]

It's what being a good man is

[@NoneRain_]

maybe you had a heart attack

[@martinjugolin2087]

Killing is not easy

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@IronheartvsMiles EXCEPT ALL THE TIMES WHEN HE DOES

[@romanneill9877]

To quote Bruce Wayne (Gotham S2E14)- "You can't kill murder. You can't get revenge on evil. You can only begin to fight such things by not doing them."

[@authorbhattacharjee4957]

Roman Neill Damn right

[@AnonimowyKomentatorYoutube]

Bullshit, killing isn't always evil. The death penalty for example.

[@viceonafridaynight]

@@AnonimowyKomentatorKZbin Killing is never okay. Never is it alright to take a human life off of the planet

[@AnonimowyKomentatorYoutube]

@@viceonafridaynight I haven't said it can be "okay", I said it's not always evil. Sometimes it's necessary to kill. For example, if someone attacks you with a knife, you can defend yourself.

[@AnonimowyKomentatorYoutube]

@Mrimchaelson Wishful thinking. It's not that simple in every situation to just not kill your attacker when you defend your own life.

[@1i1b00ki3]

"It's easy to kill. Batman does not make the easy choice. Batman Does not Kill." -HiTop Films Amazing!

[@gsv740]

Of course it is easier to leave people with broken limbs and injuries close to death, what a noble bastard he is. The world's greatest detective thinks that this is the best choice for him? He looks more like a stupid psycho. Better a bullet in the head because it is more logical. There is no person there is no problem with him. But he is obviously too stupid for a detective to think about it at least once

[@owenwilkinson3949]

@@gsv740 Wow. You are actually brain dead.

[@KIN1311]

@@gsv740 Man that's gotta be the dumbest, most ignorant thing I've read all week.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

GSV you’re actually thinking of Jason Todd,(Batman), or Thomas Wayne,( Batman), that’d go around killing people with guns while doing detective work for them to figure out the next criminal to kill.

Not killing the Joker is just stupid. By letting him live, he indirectly killed thousands of people. Had he killed the fucking clown from the beginning he would have saved thousands of innocent lives. But hey, killing a mass murderer is better than not letting him kill more and more innocents.

[@Jmorris3265]

Perfectly put. If there can’t be redemption from pain then there is no hope for Bruce, or anyone really. That’s why most of his villains are mentally ill and in their own way victims themselves of other injustice. If Batman killed them it would basically be proving that the status quo where parents get shot in cold blood and pain only creates more pain. He dives into the darkness in the hopes of pull people out of it. Love your work.

[@Messup7654]

So he doesn’t kill people because he wants his parents dead?

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

Bro is like naruto 💀

[@Data-Expungeded]

Thats why I think there should be a comic where Batman actually does save the villains from insanity. Run the message straight through our brains. It would be a great end for Batman’s story. But that’ll never happen because reasons.

[@Jmorris3265]

@@Data-Expungeded I think Batman the Animated series probably did it best. He would visit people in their cells, try to save them from self inflicted “fall into the pit” deaths, and the way he calls most villains by their actual names when talking to them, god I miss Conroy.

[@samfire3067]

​​@@Data-ExpungededThe think about helping others IS there IS a limit of How much You can help then, but They can only be saved with They thenselfs have The Will to continue and never relapse.

[@overkillexe]

Not gonna lie, he speaking the big facts Edit: I know in some of he comics and movies Batman does kill, I was talking about the general understanding of Batman

[@harris3dgamer]

Bruh

[@veryveryindecisive]

EXACTLY

[@lexsmith7821]

BIG BIG FACTS!!!!!! This would change the whole movie of BVS!!!!!!!

[@BigBossMan1996]

The whole video.. boy, that’s just craaaazy.

[@philboom9136]

Not Really. The whole movie is about batman crossing his own lines and becoming more and more brutal. The Comics did the same thing. It's not like he likes to do it like in the Burton movies. Would he be able to crash cars that shoot at him without the risk of killing somebody? No. In the dark knight, batman flips a Truck with people inside of it. Could that have killed everybody inside? YES. Did one if the SWAT guys at the end get his body crushed by batman and got left ha ging at the side of a building and probably DIE? Yes, no doubt. Do Fans realise that? NO. I dont really see the problem people have with the movie. Batfleck just didnt give a fuck anymore after years of being pushed to the edge. Is that unrealistic? No. Are Fans too stupid to realise? Yes 100%.

[@AritoAkisame]

"So you won't kill, but you're fine with traumatic brain injuries." -Robin

[@AL_50428]

Right before killing somebody but that's besides the point

[@mr.knight8082]

Yes.

[@havoclights9673]

“So your fine with talking back but not with getting bitch slaps” -Batman

[@NewLightning1]

This will hit harder after The batman will be released

[@randomcontentguy2521]

Joker likes to say batman is just as crazy as he is. Batman is crazy in the sense that he doesn't kill because that would mean he's just as bad as the criminals he beats down. But he beats people to near death and thinks it's ok. Batman thinks differently to others and always has done. The moment he kills he knows that he will never stop. That doesn't just go for criminals but the innocent also

[@sadpuckerr5359]

Batman: "So, You have Chosen... *UNCONSCIOUS*

[@Zack-xv2yc]

"So you have chosen............. PARALYZED"

[@CS-lq1ou]

you took this comment of a batman arkham knight video

[@unsharded8503]

josé camarão no one cares. It’s still funny

[@CS-lq1ou]

@@unsharded8503 smd

[@secondaryfront]

"So, you have chosen JAIL!

[@sticksndstoned]

This video... This script.. The reasoning, the points made, the whole damn thing... this is a work of art. This needs framed and posted on every batman forum. He made Batman VS Superman actually good, he shows that Batman is beyond the scopes of Green Lantern. Batman is the damn lantern. Batman is willpower, the will power to hold back, to accept ones as they are and attempt to lend a hand, and if that fails, a fist. This is truly a beautiful video. It explains my own love for Batman perfectly. Batman does not kill.

[@Southern_Webhead]

Batman: If you murder one killer, the number of murderers in the world stay the same. Jason Todd: THAT’S WHY WE KILL MORE THAN ONE!

[@grandpaeren6839]

Deadpool lol

[@braydenholland2319]

The only thing that separates a hero and villain is morales that line is thin but important.

[@grandpaeren6839]

Brayden Holland sorry to be a fucking asshole but u misspelled morals

[@cryptosword5937]

@@grandpaeren6839 your a fucking idiot

[@grandpaeren6839]

Crypto Sword, you also missed a period.

[@lyl14ghost]

"It's easy to kill. Batman does not make the easy choice."

[@jorgebersabe293]

And that's exactly why Batman fails to make any progress: It's rinse and repeat again and again, being more concerned about being seen by others in a good light over actually succeeding.

[@beefdust.]

@@jorgebersabe293 He's not worried about being seen as a good person. He just wants to uphold absolute justice rather than becoming a killer of killers.

[@plankgang5973]

@@jorgebersabe293 So making Batman kill is a progress? lmao

[@michaelgillespie9112]

@Saiko Nog But Batman, with all his skills and knowledge, is incredibly dangerous, and killing just one person could turn him into a man like the Joker. Batman as a bad guy would be insanely dangerous, because he knows how to beat and kill every single person on the planet, and know everything about everyone. I'd rather have a ton of criminals who constantly get caught by Batman, than a Batman who is crazy and kills people.

[@jorgebersabe293]

@@beefdust. Batman is not a hero, he is an emotionally stunted child who dresses on a Bat costume and gets a kick on playing games with people's lives while crying for his parents.

[@benadryl8180]

“If you kill a killer, the numbers of killers stay the same in this goddamned world.” -Batman “Not if you kill a lot of them.” -Punisher EDIT: y’all I’m sorry I didn’t mean to start a war in the replies

[@NinjaPickle]

A comment that is both chilling and hilarious

[@bakerzane3055]

The number won’t change, there will be people who seek revenge for them.

[@SirQuadrat]

That only goes for the first man you kill though, because killing a man for the first time makes you a killer. After that you can indeed decrease the number of killers by killing them, since you already are a killer at that point.

[@meatboy5714]

@@SirQuadrat what about people seeking revenge for the people you kill

[@SirQuadrat]

@@meatboy5714 Well, only one person can take revenge on me at best, so that's not really relevant

[@cloudex8127]

I come back to this video once a year or so. It perfectly describes why I love this character so much, and also why he motivates me to become better. Thank you for this video.

[@junwoojang2941]

"It's easy to kill. Batman does not make the easy choice. Batman does not kill." Simply beautiful sir, and it is certainly something we can aspire to. Don't look for an easy way out. Do the *right* thing.

[@eduardsuhorukov7543]

Actually its easier not to kill. In comics usually hero portrayed as there is always some way of not to kill, and ofc hero will always make this choice. To develop a character you need to place him in situation when there is no easy alternate solution of not killing. Like for example in Man of Steel's Zod killing scene. There is no easy exits provided by story. You have 2 options - to kill and save or not to kill and "kill" even more. That's main problem with comics. Poor story writers always leave exits for heroes providing not kill option. And its easy choice in that kind of situations.

[@joelmiller2601]

Eduard Suhorukov wrong.

[@aolson1111]

@@eduardsuhorukov7543 And in that Zod scene, Superman just got done with killing thousands of people. So, why does he care all of a sudden that a couple more people are about to die?

[@ghostofsparta757]

@@aolson1111 Because the fewer dead, the better?

[@dirus3142]

@@eduardsuhorukov7543 Subduing an enemy that is intent on killing you with while maintaining enough restraint to not cause lethal injury yourself is very hard.

[@blur7491]

You just turned the cringiest scene in film history into a cinematic masterpiece. *HOW*

[@johnstavropoulos7049]

There are multiple scenes in The Last Jedi that are WORSE than anything in the DCEU.

[@hungry_poultrygeist]

John Stavropoulos okay?

[@muhammadagungwibowo3068]

By adding real plot and real character which the film never have.

[@silverspear21]

@@muhammadagungwibowo3068 You mean which you never understood. There is plenty of plot and character your mind is just too simple to see it.

[@ashtonlipscomb1244]

I TOTALLY AGREE

[@carterslade8771]

"You still haven't given up on me"... "NEVER" god dammit, who threw these tears in my face!?!

[@JaydevRaol]

🥺

[@EFerreira1999]

Nevah

[@skaionex]

Doesnt he give up on him in the third movie? Lol

[@teddyharvester]

Gets me every damn time.

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

Fuck Batman he's a pussy! The Punisher is the real hero Gotham needs and deserves! Say goodnight Joker and Harley Quinn! You're miserable existences are about to come to an end when real punishment comes for you! He's a mortal man. Not a god like Thor, or a Super Soldier like Cap, or a mutant like Wolverine. This is a battle he can't win. But he already knows that. So he'll keep fighting until he dies. Both sad and beautiful at the same time.

[@Andrew_stlv]

Man, that’s a great video. During my childhood i was pissed with the fact that Batman stupidly doesn’t kill bad guys. But only a few weeks ago I started to realize the meaning of this rule for his philosophy and the emptiness of the character without it. Your video dotted the i's and crossed the t's in my head on this point. Batman became different for me now

[@crisisanagram3916]

Batman's "no-kill" rule is what causes the symbol of the bat, a symbol that Bruce made to strike fear into the hearts of criminals, to be a symbol of hope and pure willpower. The no-kill rule has even caused character development to members of the Bat-family, especially Jason Todd and Cassandra Cain. Jason grew to be the man Batman could never be, the man who doesn't mind killing, all due to batman never killing the Joker to avenge him. Cassandra was raised to be the best assassin in DC's history, but she was inspired by what she calls the symbol of the bat and the no-killing rule, making her into living proof that Batman can inspire people to do good. This is how integral the "no-killing" rule is: It is not only batman's moral code, but it is integral in his story and character, It is what truly contextualized the symbol of the Bat, and most importantly, it is what makes Batman a hero. Thanks to all who read my ramblings.

[@azraiel1984]

Perfectly said. Thank you.

[@metaloverload7374]

Please. Batmans no kill rule was started to cover up the fact that Batman was a ripoff of the shadow

[@selfimprovement5873]

@@metaloverload7374Who is that? Shadow The Hedgehog? Lol who cares.

[@DevinEMILE]

Other than the fact that its at this point based on the writer. In THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS he straight up snaps jokers neck, then lights his body on fire. But then theres comics like Injustice where he would rather imprison a Tyrannical dictator superman.

[@captainrex6636]

@@DevinEMILE A broken neck doesn't always kill people. The Joker killed himself by snapping it. Batman then set the dead body on fire

[@splinter1619]

"Is it too hard to cross that line?!" "No, for God's sake no jason!" "It would be too damned easy."

[@WimpieObama]

YES, thay is batman!! There also was a simular conversation with damian in I believe "Son of batman"

[@fruits050]

"because he took me away from you, bruce" hits me every time

[@yourdeath7820]

@Stevean2 did no one teach you this is the internet?

[@celestialsoldier622]

"It would to damned easy to kill one murder to save thousands of lives."

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

Fuck Batman he's a pussy! The Punisher is the real hero Gotham needs and deserves! Say goodnight Joker and Harley Quinn! You're miserable existences are about to come to an end when real punishment comes for you! He's a mortal man. Not a god like Thor, or a Super Soldier like Cap, or a mutant like Wolverine. This is a battle he can't win. But he already knows that. So he'll keep fighting until he dies. Both sad and beautiful at the same time.

[@princejayyyy6890]

Batman doesn’t kill, but you will have a heart attack when you see the hospital bill

[@2centschange]

This was actually address, though not in main cannon, but white knight cannon, that gotham has a 'batman fund' which covers the repair and medical bills involved in crime fighting. The fund is paid entirely by bruce's own money, but the city doesn't know it. Its one of the ways Jack Napier/the joker figures out who batman is.

[@alexlovelady8249]

@@2centschange I feel like this shows that Batman does care about the criminal goons he’s fighting and knows that they are usually apart of these gangs as they have no were else to go, no where to get money to feed their family. So he decides to try and help them but also bring justice

[@bleedingmasque.6193]

@@alexlovelady8249 "I knocked you down to get you out of the fight, but I'll help you get back up to a different place."

[@owyemen9367]

@@bleedingmasque.6193 hey goon I beat the shit out of you yesterday but I'll recover you just wanted you to feel some freaking empathy

[@dr.dandyphd4968]

Bars

[@oreticencias]

I've never been to comics, but Batman was always a fascinating character to me. Ever since I started watching the Justice League cartoon as a child, Batman's became a very important figure to me for some reason I'll never quite understand. I love how he's such a symbol of fear, of darkness, yet he's not 'edgy'. Batman's always been an amazing subversion of a dark character in the most 'conservative' way. He simply does not kill, and he is a GOOD human being. I love him. Anyway, this video made me emotional.

[@ascendingarscente]

“Batman chose to turn all those negative emotions he feels into a symbol that can bring people hope. _Hope_ that Batman will save us from pain. But more importantly, _hope that we can all be Batman_ .” This hits even harder after watching the ending of The Batman.

[@IStandForTJandTAW]

“I’m starting to see now, I am having an effect.”

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

This ENTIRE movie is a 10/10 MASTERPIECE! We have a batman movie where the best character in the film IS Batman/Bruce Wayne! Robert Pattinson is the BEST batman I've seen and he's PHENOMENAL as Batman AND Bruce Wayne entirely while still given him a new stylized look that's FANTASTIC to see! Love this movie to death as it's the BEST batman movie, felt like batman: the animated series BEAUTIFULLY brought to life with it's gorgeous Art Direction and aesthetics! MASTERPIECE of a film throughout!

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@bk7064 uhhh you mean “Batman”, right? If so, than yes, they don’t, because NOTHING that which they’ve said makes any sense.

[@bk7064]

@@Gadget-Walkmen whoops typo lol

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@bk7064 it's all good overakk.

[@JordanJ.E]

I remember the scene in "The son of Batman" where he explains it. By saying "you can't fight crime by becoming a criminal"

[@l.pietrobon3925]

Which is ironic because Batman has broke 90% of all laws.

[@spiderjerusalem4009]

the DCEU's batman went crazy because Joker killed both Dick Grayson and Jason Todd plus the DCEU's batman isn't the batman of DCEU's Earth 0/Earth Prime

[@spiderjerusalem4009]

True, maybe that doesn't work for NoN Earth 0's batman

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

he constantly breaks the law. he is a fucking criminal himself.

[@pointbreak747]

In the dark knight returns comic he told superman that they are criminals, and always have been

[@br4ss_crusader973]

As robin said: "So you won't kill but you're fine with traumatic brain injuries"

[@bannedmann4469]

Batman probably has some of his own, so yeah...

[@adil0466]

Just kill joker and lex luthor already. Why just kill his minion but not kill the master mind, stupid rich people.

[@alexglase765]

Remove their brain surgically, that isn’t killing them.

[@CEOofAutism]

@@alexglase765 yes it is lmao we are in our brain

[@adamhogan5442]

@@adil0466 he doesn't kill the minions either

[@wiIIywanka]

Hitop rewriting the martha scene is the reason that made me love this channel so much.

[@simonaspalovis1204]

People often forget that Batman is, first and foremost, not an police officer or any kind of authority figure with official jurisdiction to enact judgement upon others. He participates in vigilantism, which in itself is illegal. Not to mention, he breaks the law constantly: speeding, damaging public property, resisting arrest, assaulting other people (even IF they are criminals)...just to name a few. His criminal record is probably as vast as that of his rogues' gallery. And yet, the GCPD tolerates Batman's activities. In some cases, they even cooperate with him. Why? Because, ultimately, he fights to uphold the law and bring criminals to justice. Yes, he doesn't always uphold the rules himself, but in order to be effective and supportive to the GCPD, he has to be somewhat outside of the law. But...he never takes the role of Judge, Jury and Executioner into his own hands. Batman has become a symbol of justice, not vengeance. If he were to kill criminals, then the public and the GCPD would regard him as a criminal too, because he does not have the right to take away another person's life. Not to mention, as a symbol, Batman would be sending the wrong message - that it's ok for ordinary citizens to ignore the legal system and take the law into their own hands. And such a mindset can be very dangerous to adopt for a place like Gotham, which is always edging on the verge of societal breakdown. I also want to address one thing that a lot of people keep bringing up against Batman and that's him not killing criminals, because they always break out of prison anyway. Well, It's not his fault - it's the fault of the institutions that house them. If a criminal was apprehended by your typical police officer, and that criminal escaped a month later, would you blame that same police officer for not killing the criminal?

[@barrydelight]

Well said.

[@amazinghedgehog1247]

This comment needs more attention. This is exactly what I've had in my mind, yet have never been able to properly articulate it. Very well put, friend.

[@anormalguy9346]

Very underrated comment. I've been wanting to tell this to people,but they just won't listen

[@epicmusic9029]

In Batman Beyond Bruce got a new enhanced bat suit because of his old age but isn’t able to defeat a couple of criminals so when the goon almost kills him, Batman threatens the criminal with a gun to scare him off, gets PTSD, and hangs the bat suit in the bat cave saying ‘Never Again’, permanently retiring from being Batman. After that he reluctantly lets Terry McGinnis be the new Batman. Just holding a gun traumatised Bruce Wayne into giving up Batman. I think that might have summarised the video.

[@epicmusic9029]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/op2llqufgd9-a7c

[@5H4D3]

This man turned the most ridiculed scene in BvS into a masterpiece.

[@Jasonwithadot]

He also made jason todd to someone who was right to an angry boy that doesn't listen

[@matthewcrane5294]

@@Jasonwithadot lol what

[@bigsmoke8579]

@@Jasonwithadot It's apart of his character just play Arkham knight

[@Themoneyopps]

@@Jasonwithadot He is like that tho

[@holdenstrack9349]

IF he didn't kill.

[@donovanstewart698]

I don’t see why Batman not killing is controversial statement. It’s one of his defining character traits. He can be brutal at times but he still has rules. A line he cannot cross to keep him from becoming just as bad as the people he’s fighting!

[@remembernavarro5344]

It's a controversy mostly thanks to people who only watch the movies and/or are extreme Snyder fanboys (something that I'll never understand).

[@annihilator5494]

@@remembernavarro5344 Or people who think batmans code gets more people hurt in the long run

[@drogadepc]

@@annihilator5494 killing his enemies can actually make things worse and put a target in his head.

[@BostonMBrand]

That's generally one of the things I love about his character, especially with his costume. Batman, a hero who dresses up as a terrifying shroud, who basically wanders in the night dressed as the embodiment of vengeance, who puts fear into the hearts of criminals, never takes human life.

[@newphenix5267]

Also half the times he "kills" Rashe also throws him in a lazarus pit. Side note how the hell do you spell both rashes name and the pit?

[@castle9165]

Batman: “NO KILLING!” Golden Age Batman: “NO SURVIVORS!”

[@imfsresidentotaku9699]

Then why does he say, “We never kill with weapons of any kind!”?

[@dominickstepper5302]

zach snyder seemed high as shit during that actual interview.

[@somerandolad]

I wouldn't be surprised if he actually was.

[@abrahamsanchez9279]

It wasn’t real but ok

[@dominickstepper5302]

Abraham Sanchez im talking about the real one the clips are taken from lol

[@michaeldavis2001]

Yeah, Snyder also said that HIS Batman could be raped in Prison. Talk about having no damned idea.

[@cjproductions1174]

@@michaeldavis2001 that was a joke but whatever

[@rodolfoxviii4805]

Batman not killing is the whole reason why a story like The Killing Joke works so well, it plays off that aspect of batman, perfectly encompassing the moral dilema that Bruce faces every time he dawns the bat suit. The story shows whats is like to be challenged to the point of considering letting go of you moral principles to fulfill desire, a desire based on pure grief and hatred. The ending leaves the reader to decide what happened, it may change depending on the way you perceive Batman.

[@Legoskateboardskeleton]

No, he literally killed the Joker. Even the writer confirmed this lmao

[@PedroOrdep-kv5vw]

@@Legoskateboardskeleton not Alan Moore, but Grant Morrison said that, and he didn't write it

[@batmantheknight7862]

He did not after that comic he returned in another storyline so he was not dead

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

And under the red Hood it doesnt work if Batmans a killer

[@andrewt329]

@@Legoskateboardskeleton The Killing Joke is canon and Joker is very much alive, so no he literally didn't.

[@dagodfather6986]

Bro, I don't care who it is, but you need to be hired as a writer. Dc and marvel, fight for him, i Don't care who gets him just someone hire this man!

[@jesiahherrera1625]

Hell ya!!!👌

[@Selenkate]

I'd rather it be DC, Marvel is doing fine and don't need much help. DC, as this video shows, is having a lot of trouble grasping their characters

[@ultispidey99]

da godfather off topic but what is your profile picture from?

[@Selenkate]

@@ultispidey99 It's David Tennant, probably a picture of him from Doctor Who

[@scorpioslick8518]

DC needs you bad

[@Data-Expungeded]

that look at the camera after the interview was pure gold

[@espressocookie8965]

13:24 for those of you who are still confused, here is a difference. Tony Stark has a company based on making weapons of war, weapons designed to kill. Steve Rogers was trained to kill Nazis during WW2. Bruce Wayne has a company that makes motors, pneumatic cylinders, clothing, and cars. He is a philanthropist. The others aren't bothered by killing. It rarely if ever crosses their mind that they create orphans every time they fight.

[@madnomad3861]

@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake you've been watching avengers movies much? Cap and iron man's stories OFTEN involve terrorists, nazis, Hydra, shield agents, spies etc... But I guess you've never actually read their comics or knew anything about them like many MCU fans

[@madnomad3861]

@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake they use powerful weapons so of course they kill them. smh

[@mattholt2451]

DerNuschler oh no cap does, if you watch the winter soldier the beginning when he is on the ship and is attacking people, there is about 4 dead

[@espressocookie8965]

@@mattholt2451 not to mention in the first captain america movie, he literally grabs a pistol and shoots nazis with it.

[@ExcuseMyWeebRudeness]

Also, the men stark killed in thay scene were terrorist that were killing innocence. He made sure not to harm the civilians. Whereas batfleck just blew up low level thugs w/out a second thought and actually indirectly caused the deaths of people who did nothing.

[@vincknade5140]

This is undeniably true. The no killing rule is as synonymous with the character of Batman as the quote "with great power, comes great responsibility" is with Spider-Man.

[@noobbotgaming2173]

" I'm not in this business to protect the rules. I serve justice" -Batman. Stop imaging comic characters are saints. They're not. They're people. With emotions and anger.

[@tastiestduck122]

@@noobbotgaming2173 So in a world with super powered gods, a man refusing to kill is far fetched?

[@keithriley6597]

Batman never kills. This shouldn't even be an argument. Zach Snyder obviously terribly mishandled a responsibility he NEVER should have received. He failed miserably and shamed his name forevermore.

[@TerryTerius]

​@@keithriley6597I swear I remember Batman killing people in some of his earlier comics. But, in general modern Batman does not kill.

[@TerryTerius]

@Brandon AdamIf we're being honest about it, the real reason DC heroes generally don't kill has nothing to do with their personalities (and the debatable actual efficacy/complications of that rule) or anything like that. It's' because DC doesn't want to kill off popular villains, since they can save them for more stories that way. IIRC, that was explicitly laid out as a directive decades ago and they've mostly adhered to that ever since. It's a business decision.

[@acetrigger1337]

your re-evaluation of the "Martha" scene is so genius... that i feel bad for the fact that Snyder is a fanboy of Michael Bay.

[@JJSogaard]

Wait what? Is he a Bay fan? Really?

[@AliTaimurXV]

I'm pretty sure they went to the same film school

[@jaredgarcia8638]

@@AliTaimurXV they did. It shows

[@DivvayKhatri]

Superman called out martha for trying to save someone's else's life with his dying breath. That's exactly what Thomas Wayne did with his dying breath. That's what changes Batman's point of view about sups. Throughout the movie, batman is shown going crazy, killing people here and there, suffering from world ending nightmares etc. He also feels that sups is an alien who can go bad and take over the world. That is what changes when superman tries to save someone else's life with his last words. That humanises Superman in Batman's eyes . It has nothing to do with the word martha. It's just a coincidence that makes batman hesitate for one small second. And also, batman stops killing when he sees Superman sacrificing himself to save earth. That sparks HOPE in his mind and it changes him. He stops killing as his faith in humanity gets restored. Proof for this is his last speech and him not killing or branding Luthor. Now i want to see a comeback for that. Btw Christopher Nolan says that Snyder takes the most realistic interpretation of characters possible and that's what he did. He also pays a hell lot of attention in visual filmmaking and storytelling. You can see the story rather than hear it.

[@jaredgarcia8638]

@@DivvayKhatri good point

[@robertbusselmaier]

This is the perfect argument for this subject. The Injustice games focused heavily on this matter and showed what became of Superman when he killed. They showed that what’s easy isn’t always synonymous with what’s right

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Apparently Superman will always turn evil if Lois dies, so Batfleck was right to want to kill him.

[@biggrimace6506]

@@JDoe-gf5ozi mean lois didn’t just die he literally murdered her, his unborn child, AND the entirety of metropolis

[@johnmarston853]

@@JDoe-gf5oz Not always, look at Kingdom Come for example.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@biggrimace6506 Still not a reason to turn evil. To get revenge maybe, but not to become a demonic god from hell.

[@ronaldryan9821]

This video made me feel warmth while my parents are shouting at each other downstairs and my sister fighting with her boyfriend on the phone in the next room. It reminded me of when i first saw Batman in the Justice League The Animated Series where he had nothing no super powers but will always do everything to help the team and save the day. I see that and it just hits me “What if im different from my classmates? What if I dont have a good childhood ? I dont have to be angry and jealous just because one of my classmate got a very nice gift for his birthday from his parents. Its not his fault my parents dont actually care about my birthday. Batman showed me that. Batman helped me find a way in this labyrinth. And the Sam Raimi trilogy also made me come through one of my darkest days. I dont even know what im saying anymore its just really emotional for me. I dont have the courage to say this to anyone around me maybe theyll think im a weirdo or a butthurt guy. Thanks if you read means a lot Fellow Batfam Edit : i kinda felt embarrassed reading my own comment but its good to know that people cares! And Mum travelled for work and these past few weeks has been great!! Thanks guys

[@kovac5412]

Tchh Noob this was beautiful my man. Batman is a beautiful character, and means so much to so many people. You are beautiful too.

[@reversepickle5923]

dude u can believe it or not but im going through the exact same thing abd know how u are feeling

[@CinematriX_TX21]

I think if your family is like that you might want to go into foster care.

[@Avuls]

Stay strong

[@Enzo-si1it]

Damn this is the most realiabe comment on the internet

[@ernestopersonne1973]

For a short time I thought batman should be more brutal. But than I watched the BTAS ''Baby Doll'' episode. And in the end of that episode, she is surrounded by giant Mirrors and has a break down. Batman doesn't punch her in the Face. Instead he's just standing behind her as she is crying. And the episode ends. That little moment showed me what batman was all about. He really isn't supposed to be a one sided character who just shoots villians in the head. He's more than that. A Bat Creature, who watches over Gotham City. Who protects the innocent from the evil . And the evil from themselves, by capturing them and putting them to Arkham where they belong. He is a part of Gotham and Gotham a part of him. It's as if Gotham itself choosed him to be the protector by killing his parents.

[@Nassit-Gnuoy]

Ernesto Personne That was one of my favorite things about Batman TAS. The villains felt so much like real people. There were so many episodes where it would take place from their perspectives and show us so much about their backstories and how they interact with normal people. The show does a great job of making you feel bad for these characters.

[@ernestopersonne1973]

@@Nassit-Gnuoy exactly, Harvey Dent and his transformation to TwoFace was so well done, especially with his own creepy Theme song has

[@johnathonhaney8291]

@@ernestopersonne1973 The howl he lets loose when his "two faces" for the first time is still bone-chilling.

[@Electro21964]

Batman is a Gary Stu.

[@elderlyoogway]

The Jamester wrong, he’s deeply flawed, it’s just you who are an edgy kid wanting edgy heroes.

[@nivolord]

Indeed, he didn't kill at the box office.

[@HiTopFilms]

Best comment.

[@budgetdeckmastermtg2144]

Lol

[@riptidev10]

Rest in piss

[@saeniso9858]

As Kelso from that 70's show would say BURN!!!!!!!

[@pillullis]

Oof.

[@its_anime_otaku]

Cant Believe That This Video Essay Came Out 5 Years Ago, No Matter How Old I Get I'll Never Stop Re-watching It.

[@FordGTmaniac]

The only version of Batman who can kill without being out of character is Flashpoint Batman, who is Thomas Wayne.

[@breakfaith3031]

Batman who laughs, the grim knight, that version that teamed up with Superman to rule the world as dictators, the multiple versions of regular Batman in the comics that kill including the original Batman from the 30s and so on and so forth

[@eldritchpumpkinghost2968]

original name the original only killed in the first issue he appeared in. The og 30s one never killed outside the 1st issue

[@Manfurias]

Never forget Azrael Batman from Knightfall, but that character isn't Bruce Wayne

[@DynestiGTI]

If you think BvS glorifies Batman killing then you completely missed the point of the movie... The movie doesn't shy away from the fact he kills either, because that's the point, to show that this Batman has fallen from grace. You people must have watched BvS once in theatres 4 years ago, then forgot about it, and chose to hate it because some pseudo-intellectual KZbinr said it was bad. You seriously want the movie to spell it out to you? Or do you want the director himself to walk into frame and say Batman killing is wrong? Have you ever heard of 'show not tell'? The movie shows Bruce has nightmares, he takes drugs and drinks, Robin is dead, he even saw his own building collapse... Even Alfred sees that Bruce has changed. If you just want to hate BvS because it's fun then go ahead but if you want to see a proper counter-argument then watch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3ivonyebs-CnJY&t=110

[@eldritchpumpkinghost2968]

@@DynestiGTI Very true, Snyder's Batman is also based on the Miller Batman. He has a higher tendency for violence and killing. Just read All-Star Batman. He acts like a psycho but after Dick left and Jason Todd's death, Bruce becomes more mellow, but he's still kills from his fall from grace. Until he remembers who he is in the Dark Knight Returns.

[@cocobean0390]

"Two-Face can't decide what to have for breakfast - BAM, dead!"

[@tinypumkin2561]

Coe T. I watched this video multiple times and I never laughed at that line in the video but if you take it out of context it’s a lot funnier

[@dragonkingcc8795]

The beginning of Batman Beyond is another example of his rule. With his heart disease , he had no other choice but to grab the gun, and he was mortified by what he was going to do; so he hung up the cowl after that.

[@vdkotecha]

Exactly, that's why the producers of the animated series 'got' it

[@shlombox]

True that man, I recently watched the beginning of BB and it totally captures his character

[@SA80TAGE]

What about when killed Qayin in Son of the Demon (comic), or when he blew up a bunch of people in The Cult (comic)... or when he left KGBeast to starve to death in 10 Nights Of The Beast (comic)... Or when he SHOT Darksied in Final Crisis (comic)? You keep focusing on animation and ignoring the ACTUAL source material.

[@soraceant]

@@SA80TAGE why exactly do you guys even have an issue with this at all? Batman doesn't kill people unless the writer or director feels like changing it. It has more to do with inconsistent writing or changing writers than anything else. DC wanted an edgey Batman so now he kills. If they wanted moral Batman he'd be moral. The idea that Batman doesn't kill depends on who's writing the story. Although when I play games like Arkham Knight and I run over someone at full speed with the batcar I like to say in my mind that Batman doesn't kill people.

[@SA80TAGE]

Because people who claim to be "fans" only ever focus on cartoons made for kids with one-dimensional cardboard cutouts of the characters. Man of Steel for example was an adaptation of Superman: Earth One, a story where Clark is more than just a smile in a costume, they treat him like an actual character who has emotions who isn't always sure of himself, rather than the one-note "ideal" know-it-all with all the right moral answers. One big "criticism" of MoS was that "he didn't smile enough"... he smiled exactly as much as he needed to, I mean, he's supposed to smile while the entire world is being threatened with thousands of people dying? No. He smiles when appropriate. For BvS it was that "Supes and Bats should be best friends"... aye, AFTER they've known each other for a while and had time to build a bond, any comic reader will tell you that they always fight the "first time they meet" after any reboot. The whole idea of Batman becoming cruel and brutal was part of his arc too, Supermans sacrifice was supposed to mean something not just an audience, but to Bruce himself... that was supposed to be the catalyst for his change, hence his speech at the end about being "better". You're right about differing writers, but what makes the cartoon anymore valid than any of the comics? How can anyone claiming to be a fan ignore the actual source material? Superman has killed Zod in the comics more times than I can remember, both directly and indirectly, but he does it in a modern movie and it's "wah that's not the Superman I know".... well it IS the Superman I know. Yes, Batman is better when he's staunchly against killing, but that hasn't always been the case. He was originally designed as something more akin to Punisher, killing bad guys with impunity, and despite popular belief, that lasted for a lot longer than just his first few issues. Technically speaking, Batman was a killer for WAY longer than not. You can't just simply ignore that for convenience and personal preference. That history exists in print, and it isn't going anywhere.

[@BATGOAT1992]

The concept of Ben Affleck's version of the character killing people due to becoming tired of the pain and grief he experienced throughout his long career was never an issue to me. In fact, I welcomed the change as it gave a new take on batman and actually gave him a reason to kill unlike Keaton's batman. However, my issue with BVS is that superman should've been the character to bring batman back to the hero he once was. There's no guarantee that Batfleck always killed criminals and maybe there was a time he actually cared about this rule. Up until the point superman says Martha, Bruce has found reasons to excuse breaking the rule and why he kills criminals. But saying that name changed something in him and like he does with many of the people he encounters, Superman helps make batman a better person.

[@briandiaz2814]

The only Batman who should kill is Thomas Wayne in my humble opinion.

[@sivaprakashsrinivasan7029]

true

[@blingiman]

I always loved the irony of Thomas Wayne (who's a doctor) was the batman who kills

[@benwashacked3350]

Facts

[@Mrhinemiya]

@@blingiman I do understand your point, but rather than irony is something deeper, Thomas was a doctor, meaning he took the Hippocratic oath, a vow to life and do everything you can to save it, he was well aware of his oath and decided to willingly break it, that is pure anger towards the tragedy that is losing a son.

[@BEYONDTHESPIDERFILMS]

I would add Jason Todd (If he ever dawns the cape and cowl) and Jean Paul Valley. Both are two people who has been in the Batsuit and has pushed the limits.

[@petergeorge193]

Ben Affleck's Batman in BvS doesn't feel like a Batman who crossed his "line". He feels like a Batman who never had that "line" in the first place.

[@GuruPrashanth7970]

Not really. He clearly had the line. Even alfred talks about "new rules" and how things have changed. Try re-watcthing the ultimate cut and focus on Bruce's arc.

[@petergeorge193]

@@GuruPrashanth7970 He might have had the line or haven't had the line. That's not what I said. I said that he FELT like a Batman who didn't. That's because I personally feel that the writing for Bruce's character wasn't strong enough. There isn't a clear, proper way in which Zack Snyder showed how Bruce crossed his line. He just showed a bunch of references and hints. That's not enough to establish how he's changed in my opinion. Hence, most of the time he doesn't feel like he had a clear growth. It's like he always killed from the start. And my comment was based on the theatrical cut. I haven't watched the ultimate edition. I'll definitely give it a watch if it improves Bruce's character from the theatrical cut

[@bucket8141]

I heard a theory that he crossed the line after Jason Todd was murdered, you can even see the Robin outfit painted by the Joker in BvS

[@vergelcarreon379]

@@bucket8141 that was Dick, which is why he is broken. Because Dick is one of the peopls who reasons with him. He never had a following robins after that. Since that was Zack's movie plan. Other directors can just reset that afterwards. Which, didn't happened.

[@sarthaknavale3135]

@@petergeorge193 He doesn't have people anymore to care for. A line from Bruce in BvS - "How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" thus emphasizing that he has lost his moral code after the death of Dick and forced him to cross the line further with arrival of an alien - Superman.

[@MS-ih9nh]

Bravo. Thats why i think Christoper Nolans The Dark knight trilogy is the only one who will ever bring Batman justice but also us fans. In the scene where Bruce and Ras al ghoul is talking, Ras tells bruce the following: "Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share". Which Bruce replies to with: "Thats why its so important. It separates us from them"

[@EN_02]

That's the point of Afflecks Batman, he spent 20 years in Gotham, he lost hope, has lost EVERYTHING that makes him what he is, that makes him The BATMAN we know. Nolans Batman has always had hope, he had a lot of hope, but Afflecks Batman has lost that, he doesn't believe in mankind anymore. After 20 YEARS he realized that (as he says in the movie) "criminals are like weeds, pull one up another grows in its place", but at the end of the movie Supermans death gives him hope again, think about what he said to Wonder Woman, when she said that Men have created a world where staying together is impossible but then he says "men are still good" (i'm not sure he'd have said the same thing at the beginning of the movie). And then he finally returns the Batman we know, so i think that he's had a very interesting evolution, something different and cool to see. That said, i also do not believe Batman should kill, cuz that's what makes him special and interesting, but with Afflecks version that was the point, in 20 years he had lost hope and started killing criminals and lost himself and what makes Batman special and interesting and Superman (who represents HOPE) gives him hope again

[@EE-oh7kg]

Ettore Nardelli TLDR but batman shouldnt kill no matter what

[@EN_02]

@@EE-oh7kg I already explained what's the point of Afflecks Batman, and i also think that Batman should not kill, but with Afflecks version that was the point

[@plankgang5973]

@@EN_02 In the Dark Knight Returns Bruce is an old grumpy man who has lost hope as you've described but he didn't kill anyone. Batfleck losing "hope" doesn't mean he needs or has to kill. What makes Batman or Superman or Daredevil or Spider-Man compelling characters are their will of never crossing THE line, the line that Zack Snyder's Batman fucking crossed, THE line that keeps them and their mentality in check.

[@EN_02]

@@plankgang5973 That was was exactly my point, he crossed the line cuz he lost hope and everything that makes him Batman and at the end of the movie he returns THE BATMAN we know and love

[@marlinraliuga3225]

Within the Snyder films, I never understood why he would just gun down henchmen left and right. Yet joker was still alive. Oh a squad of goons is carrying out Luthors plans? Kill on sight Joker kills robin Bring him in alive.

[@jessicahiga9870]

The animated series is the real Batman, and we all know it.

[@spigui500]

And that's a fact

[@Clancy2004]

Bale and the Arkham games. That's Batman.

[@spigui500]

@@Clancy2004 Arkham games are basically an extension of the BTAS Batman anyway, so it's all still Animated Batman in the end

[@bigdoubleu117]

@@spigui500 Mainly thanks to the crispy fantastic voice work by Kevin Conroy

[@Lucasio1209]

I didn’t grow up with the animated series, when I think of Batman, I think of the Arkham Series version.

[@ChillyCharizard006]

Wow, you actually made the “Martha” scene slightly less stupid. Congrats. Brovo. Subbed.

[@ethankotas8788]

I’m my opinion, I think he made it phenomenal actually

[@ChillyCharizard006]

@@ethankotas8788 If you take away the stupidity of the dialogue when Supes calls his own mother by her own name, than maybe.

[@Rex67Diego9]

@@ethankotas8788 nah its still way too stupid

[@ethankotas8788]

Rex67Diego9 fandub yeah I thought about it again, you’re right.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

He didn't make it better, he constructed it better. The scene is still stupid as it is. He took that stupid scene and constructed a better context to place behind the scene.

[@JumboWatermelon]

“It’s easy to kill” The right choice isn’t always the easiest.

[@CheddarMannn]

Sometimes it is

[@JumboWatermelon]

@@CheddarMannn Yeah, sometimes it’s easy to do the right thing, but murder isn’t one of them.

[@RedFloyd469]

@@JumboWatermelon It's also easy to say this in a comments section about a fictional character. Now apply that logic to a real life or death situation, in which, say, a terrorist is about to blow up a bomb that will kill a thousand civilians. Would you, or would you not, kill the terrorist, if that prevented the mass murder of a thousand innocents? I certainly would, "no killing rule" be damned. I would go so far as torturing them as well. Ease has nothing to do with it, it's all about the moral justification of your actions. We can discuss difficulty and sportmanship after the adults have done what is neccesary, rather than what sounds "right" on paper. That said, I don't essentially disagree with what the video here is saying about the actual character arc of Batman.

[@JumboWatermelon]

@@RedFloyd469 those situations are not murder, they’re justified homicide in the defense of others.

[@Susanoo449]

@@JumboWatermelon okay, so murdering the joker because you KNOW he will eventually do just that is wrong? Yeah no, preffer to be a murderer than let some crazy fuck like that go on about endlessly Even in comics, it's just a dumb rule, That kills more innocent people Joker kills thousands Batman stops him Repeat Repeat Annnd repeat It's dumb, and that is not the "sometimes the easy choice is wrong" Sometimes admiting there is no other choice is the RIGHT thing to do Sometimes doing the "right" thing isn't the correct answer, and sometimes doing something evil begets good things, such as murdering an evil being.

[@Fitzy7523]

I absolutely love this video. Thank you for making it!