So I tried SONIC FRONTIERS Final Horizon Update...

[@Slimeonian]

13:41 I played the whole game on hard mode and can I just say my jaw dropped when I saw the balloons and springs in this video. In hard mode, ALL OF THAT is gone. There are no balloons or springs. You have to actually platform instead of mashing homing attack. It’s actually really difficult

[@Trigger99X]

Gone in normal too, these are only in easy mode

[@Epsilonsama]

The balloons are the baby mode. I was doing the first tower without em and it was REALLY hard. Then for the challenge I got filtered hard and did it on easy. Well go to the 2nd tower there were balloons every where and I was like this feels much easier. Then I learned that's an easy mode feature which I turned off cause I want a challenge.

[@NutronicAtomic]

Oh wow, I had no idea the platforming is easier on different difficulties! I've been stuck on the first tower for hours, but I beat the base game in hard and never turned it back. Thanks for sharing!

[@gamedestroyer112]

I beat the main game and loaded that one for the new story... How do I get these balloons???!

[@rezenhasqn8308]

@@gamedestroyer112 put the game in easy mode

[@staticshock4239]

My biggest hope is they keep these characters playable in the next big 3D Sonic game but fix the pop in and give the developers more time and budget to have it be complete at the start. That being said, I'm happy they made each character different.

[@MythicAce218]

are they only playable throughout the last part of the story?

[@Fanoflotofstuff]

Yes, Sadly. They are only playable on Ouranos Island, Which Makes sense, They are supposedly trying to do everything as quick as they can. But they are fun to play as. My favorite is either Amy or Tails. Tails because of his flight ability, and Amy for her triple card spin jump glide move (Especially if you have jump deceleration and deceration rate turned down all tbe end because you can get some MAD Distance with that Pink hedgehog!)

[@ethzzexists]

​@@MythicAce218you can only play them on ouranos Island, no other islands are allowed for them for some reason

[@ChadMorningWood]

I think that pop-in issue shouldn't be a problem if they don't plan to develop for the OG switch, Switch 2 should definitely be released by then

[@ethzzexists]

@@ChadMorningWood the switch is very good at messing up some games tbh

[@gengargamer5657]

Btw, the uppercut was cut from SA1, not SA2. SA2 had the uppercut, as did the Advance games. Also, the closest we have to Gamma is Omega, as Gamma is just gone, and you forgot that Unleashed did emotional moments pretty well too.

[@DamashiTheKaotic]

Amy's cards have actually been a thing since CD

[@retrorebound8887]

I didn't know that (clearly)! Was it just CD/Dark Brotherhood or were there others I missed too? Thanks for the info :)

[@SupportTheLittleGuy]

Only since the cutscenes in sonic origins, no one knew before that

[@midgaur]

​@@SupportTheLittleGuyIt was in the Japanese manual for her character description, pretty sure more than a couple people knew

[@timlyons3420]

​@@SupportTheLittleGuyA.K.A. YOU didn't know about it. Everyone else did

[@SupportTheLittleGuy]

@@timlyons3420 ok just me and the channel that posted this video didn’t know, guess everyone else on this planet is more knowledgeable than just us 2 🤷🏻‍♂️ happy now buddy?

[@gamanzhiydanil]

Good video, but I have one suggestion: try to play platforming challenges on hard where they delete those endless baloons and see for yourself how much harder it becomes

[@pvzgamer9517]

I noticed the tower climbing footage is the easy mode version of the game. So that's what it looks like. I guess the person playing didn't go through hell and back to climb those things.

[@EmeraldUltima713]

5:53 Thank you! I thought I was the only one who noticed the similar reception!

[@JediDrewsterT]

Being able to skip play forming segments is VERY easy with every character, especially knuckles’ uppercut into a parry and back into uppercut allowing you to get infinite height and tails’ cyclone allowing you to go literally anywhere.

[@dionysisnance4204]

Soundtrack of the game goes hard

[@VongolaXZax]

They gave my boys Knuckles and Tails justice and my girl Ames too. They cooked

[@GameStormerGX]

Hard mode offers some of the most difficult platforming I've ever experienced in a Sonic game.

[@retrorebound8887]

I switched to easy because of the trials, but I’m ticked I missed out on the difficult platforming!

[@GameStormerGX]

@@retrorebound8887 I was tempted to lower the difficulty for the platforming myself. There were too many extremely punishing sections for my taste. Sonic games shouldn't have balancing sections.

[@Naruku2121]

@@retrorebound8887 Didn't realize the platforming changed on the diffculty modes, but as someone who played most of the game on hard (Up to the 5th trial). The diffculty of the platforming really does go hard on hard.

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

I love this Sonic game!

[@zach5381]

"One of the best 7/10 games youll ever play" haha that's a great line. Maybe we need to go more meta than simply the review score. Or does that mean it simply deserves a higher score? Hmm

[@RwnEsper]

Fun =/= Great. I find a ton of 7/10 games to be very fun, but that doesn't change the fact that they have issues that push their overall score down.

[@neoyaku]

I had to agree with that for Frontiers “The Best 7/10 game you’ll ever play.”

[@tigerfestivals5137]

​@@neoyakuyeah this is kinda how I feel too. It's more fun than the sum of its parts. It's objectively janky AF and kind of a disjointed experience but it's really fun to just run around and platform as Sonic and now the other characters, the story is interesting (not the best ever) and the music is great.

[@GAMM_SAGE]

Battle Rush and Cyberspace Challenge have been there since update 1 and by beating Battle Rush you get extreme difficulty and Cyberspace challenge gives you the max rings boost in cyberspace

[@supercyclone8342]

16:30 That what I started doing before I figured out the intended(?) method. Bait them to throw it at you while you are far away, then rush in. When the disk comes back, parry it and it will circle back the other way, then hit them more, then parry again, etc. It's a pretty nice rhythm! Also, you didn't mention the spin dash, which gives you the option to really speed through stages and find cool shortcuts. It even has a cool interaction with the rocket boost. Overall, I'm loving this update so far! Plus, the modding scene is probably about to go crazy now that all the big, mod breaking updates are out!

[@amarojulian7409]

THATS THE INTENDED METHOD????? i would have never figured it out...

[@Nayoto13]

@@amarojulian7409 I found it out after a few attempts, but was fun to find out.

[@amarojulian7409]

​@@Nayoto13yea im not good enough to do that i had to lower the difficulty to even make it happen ^^;

[@Nayoto13]

@@amarojulian7409 i had to lower the difficulty for the boss rush, and still took over an hour.

[@ethzzexists]

The spin dash was in update 2, why would he mention it in an update 3 video?

[@corelink518]

Did you really put things from update 2 and said it was from update 3 like the music box and the island combat trials and Cyberspace island trials. And at this point, I thought he was going to say the Spindash was from update 3. But if He really said it was from update 2, then fix my mistake because I didn't hear that. also you said you were playing in hard mode but all the footage I saw was in Easy Mode unless it's Footage from another person, then that would make sense, Not a lot of people know this, but it automatically puts you in Easy at the start of the DLC, I think because It happened to me. But for my review, Tales it my favorite, Knuckles is my least favorite, and the ending was amazing. trial 2 is the worst, Everybody has a good day, and I want to see your opinions. Celebrate for update 3 🎉.

[@mangodango1733]

The thing you described about the limited travel i felt that with amy and by the time i got to knuckles and tails i realized it just payed off to grind their levels while i unlock what i can of the map and just unlock the better ways to travel and the spin dash

[@hanami6969]

The spindash on all the characters with the momentum slider are is actually chefkiss I feel like a lot of people aren’t using the spindash for the main traversal like they should b tbh

[@InvisibleMan849]

For all the other characters except sonic the spin dash feels alot more balanced

[@JediDrewsterT]

@FDevil473 No, it feels about the same… except for Amy, it’s way more op for her because she can carry its momentum into her glide

[@robertedison5961]

11:07 Amy just standing there. Feel like that should’ve been edited better but that was just really really strange. Lmao it made me uncomfortable. Lmao

[@sanctifiedfracture4579]

6:33 Finally, the beloved “Tax Evasion” move from Knuckles returns.

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

I'm sure you're gonna get 100 comments about this, but the tarot cards are not from Dark Brotherhood. Tarot cards have been a thing with Amy since Sonic CD. Watching the gameplay here....man, the towers are WAY different on hard mode. All those balloons and automation sections you talk about are gone. It's completely different looking at it now.

[@retrorebound8887]

They're pouring in. Lesson learned!

[@rollingstart_90s]

Not even once the Tarot cards were shown in Sonic CD. The Japanese manual was the only thing that mentioned them. 30 years later, those Tarot card cutscenes/ animations were made specificly for Origins. It's not necessarily fair to say the cards were "a thing" in Sonic CD, since they were not in the game and were only mentioned once in a region specific manual.

[@Slimeonian]

Wait there’s Balloons on normal mode?? God dammit those towers were infuriating for me to get through 😫 I played the whole game on hard mode and oof that final trial took me like 4 hours to finish

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

@@rollingstart_90s being mentioned in the manual is enough as that's where the tarot card connection with Amy came from.

[@jasonoyola590]

Great video bro!

[@Another_youtube_animator]

Did you climb the towers on easy mode? Because there are a lot of balloons that I didn’t see in hard mode.

[@Trigger99X]

Yeah this is easy

[@nicholasbullock1709]

Some people play a game about a talking blue hedgehog. And complain about floating rails not being “believable.” Uh-huh…😏

[@prvg7851]

Sonic P-06 is the best Sonic Game ever made. I would like to know your thoughts on that!!

[@grimesse]

For trial 2, if you stand back and let the enemy throw it out at you, you can homing attack in and parry the blade, which sends it back around, then depending on how far or close you were positioned, you can get a few punches in before parrying the blade back around again

[@ordovicianscourge9520]

i actually want a bit more characters as side story dlc - like an team combo of shadow - rouge - cream, omega is maybe out of the question with the story timeline at this moment, i certainly like chaotix and possibly team holigan if they exist in the adventure-modern universe

[@punkypony5165]

I love Amy's theme in Final Horizon it just makes me feel so good inside. I can't describe it. And I love the final boss.

[@rafaelmachado9837]

What difficulty were u playing in? I played on hard mode and it didnt have all those balloons in the towers, i actually had do do them

[@Trigger99X]

This is on easy mode

[@RyonMugen]

oh hell yeah! I didnt know it came out already! i gotta get on this!

[@galacticspecter4364]

This update has some of the best and most challenging platforming in a 3D Sonic game. The freedom your given with moves like the spindash in Frontiers is awesome.

[@best_mate456]

We ever had a difficulty like this since unleashed

[@fatmoefatmoe2645]

Tip on trial 2 enemies: get close to an enemy, but not to close to him. Just enough until he starts to throw his shield. Once he throws it, dash towards him and attack him, but once the shield comes back parry it. Since he threw it so far away that means the parry sends it farther and you get more hits on him. Infinite loop cheese 🤣

[@LordVader.66]

It’s “blast processing “

[@TheRedGoon]

if I recall, Amy's whole "tarot" card thing was also apart of the japanese manual for the story of CD that got animated in Sonic Origins. I know in recent years, the IDW comics have also had her using Tarot cards as a side hobby with her friends. It's nice to see incorporated in the games more. Ian Flynn definitely cares about consistency and lore, and that definitely shines in this whole game, which I appreciate

[@deslardesslok]

Just got the CD soundtrack for this games 3rd update The Final Horizon the mail today at 2:34p.m. and it's the Sonic Frontiers Expansion Soundtrack: Paths Revisited CD and I'm listening to it while watching this! 5:35p.m. 12/19/2023

[@azrieldreamer]

Genuine question but if i wanted to play the update story would I have to start another playthrough or can i continue from where i left off?

[@retrorebound8887]

Continue where you left off!

[@azrieldreamer]

@@retrorebound8887 Ah okay cool. I already finished it initially. I just didn't wanna start a whole new playthrough just for the end. Thanks

[@GAMM_SAGE]

@@azrieldreamer theres a portal in the final Island to get to the new story

[@Epsilonsama]

Tails plane is awesome. You can go from side to side in no time. Also try doing the towers on hard mode with Sonic. It's really hardcore and pulls no punches.

[@staticshock4239]

One thing i love is beating this allows you to switch whenever you want

[@rollingstart_90s]

Switch what?

[@thegamerkid9676]

@@rollingstart_90scharacters

[@rollingstart_90s]

Using Amy, Tails or Knuckles after beating the game, do they still appear in their digital cyberspace form or do they appear normal?

[@kiddalmatiangawd8389]

We’re not even gonna talk about the last trial and how it’s super unfair. No normal kid under 12 years old is beating that tf was you on Sega?

[@mist2622]

"fuck them kids" -sega probably

[@GreyShadowUchiha]

i thought knuckles played terribly especially after recently touching adventure 1 lol. the startup on glide, the stupidly wide gliding turns and the weird slippery climbing feel just weren't it for me lol tails and amy were fun though. thought the amy theme was pr good, tails was good, knuckles' was awful/repetitive/not fitting for his character. im on the first tower now and it's incredibly frustrating. wish there was at least a checkpoint, having to start from the beginning every time is ridiculous

[@Eclin]

The most fun 7/10 game is an achivement in itself.

[@sirsonic1832]

You still think it’s a 7/10? I feel like this update bumped it up significantly

[@ultimatedumbass4640]

For me, it's like a 7.5

[@martinaguiluz4063]

That has been Sonic in a nutshell since 2013

[@aortaplatinum]

There's a weird thing, I don't know if it's just in the PC version, but some of the optional character conversations have missing audio lines. Like if you talk to Sage as Amy in front of the pyramid thing, there are a couple lines from Sage that aren't voiced. I thought maybe they were just her internal monologue but Amy was replying. And on the flipside, there's a conversation where Tails is talking to Eggman and he starts referring to him like he's not there and I could only tell through context clues that that WAS Tails' internal monologue, but there's no reverb on those lines or anything, very weird. Unfortunately the low object draw distance is an engine issue and not a game issue, so you'd have to essentially rebuild a ton of the game's logic after going in and fixing it. It's an issue with the foundation, not the game on top of it. Frontiers was built using the same engine as Lost World and Forces so it wasn't designed to facilitate a free moving camera in a big open environment.

[@michaelcrosby5649]

Great inputs and reviews. Love your honest opinion and feedback.

[@CJ2315]

16:30 The segment with the shield enemies I figured out an even better combo. You actually never have to cyloop! All you need to do is bait the enemy to throw their shield, homing attack the enemy, get a few hits in, and then parry the shield on its way back to the enemy and repeat! Took a bit for me to figure this out but it was so clutch lol

[@Handepsilon]

I tried it on Hard the shield recovers soooo fast. I resorted to mix punch and stomp instead

[@igirjei3717]

@@Handepsilonwait what changes with difficulty?

[@Handepsilon]

@@igirjei3717 Well.... I know that the platforming section changes on Easy and the perfect parry in Titan battle becomes much easier to do in that difficulty

[@AOTProductions]

I did the same thing for that trial but I always use the cyloop on those particular guys automatically so it didn’t take me too long.

[@gossegut]

I need a video on Sly Cooper 2 and 3!! Your last one was so interesting

[@MarkerMurker]

4:21 The difference is that Rail Canyon had a reason, being a train station over a canyon and all. There's no internal consistency in Frontiers. That's the first part of the problem. The second is that is doesn't fit the style of the area. The rails on Kronos could have been vines or stone transport lines or something.

[@Naruku2121]

I think they kind of explained the floating rails away in the update. Something about Sage and Sonic having a conversation and Sage asking if that's how he sees certain things. So it might be something tied to those affected by cyber-space that they perceive these things in a different way or something. Not the best explanation but maybe to a a common person they're not seeing an island with random floating rails and objects, only those who are hooked into the grid and interpret it a certain way.

[@terry85mar]

Now we just need super sonic in free roam and in the stages.

[@GuiFoxJus]

I didn't expect such terrible pop-in. Looks fun regardless.

[@tylersignalness6895]

If you haven’t played it, and you can look past the pop in, this is probably the best 3d sonic has been since adventure 2 imo, the story is dope the open world gameplay is super fluid fast and responsive, it’s so sick

[@Magaleg]

Have you got the spindash for sonic yet If not you can go back to the previous islands and you must s rank all the action chain challenges (you have to go to the original ouranous island to do the last 10)

[@JabariMore]

You saying the platforming wasn't too hard genuinely had me baffled... then I saw the balloons and extra springs. Wtf is that?? How?!? Is that like an easy mode thing???

[@sourjuice]

Yeah this is easy, cause on Normal and Hard those towers are hard as hell

[@Saru245]

Damn, I still haven't beaten the game yet, still haven't saved Knuckles lol, but hearing this DLC makes the game even harder makes me not want to come back to the game. I don't like it when games get in the way of me enjoying their stories and characters so it's a real bummer to hear they bumped it up a lot. Sigh, oh well, I guess I'll just play other games in my backlog for now like I have been.

[@connorplays6263]

I kind of hope that there's a patch to adjust the difficulty and the controls of the playable characters because this update is kind of rough

[@TheCapnMorgan]

Wait hold on! Howcome your tower looks so much different than mine!! I did not have those places to do the homing attack!

[@ultimatefoe]

Im so far having a good time with the update, I much rather prefer the base game because Im not switching from character to character every 30 minutes. Overall I still love this game, top 5 Sonic game

[@elidougherty4078]

the battle rush and cyber space challenge were added in update 1 and new game + was added in update 2

[@dostayer3369]

You know that a lot of the automation is gone above easy mode, yes? A lot of daring jumps and airboosts, a lot of momentum game (and probably a lot of ways to get shortcuts with the spindash) and no small amout of narrow passages high in the sky (you can save yourself if you're good enough). The only point I switched to easy was in the last tower an even then it was for the trial at the top and not the climbing itself. About the challenge you were stuck on: there's another way to do it, but it requires you to know how to time a parry.

[@TheRealMidnight]

Anyone else notice this man was playing on easy?

[@NYYanks2003040506]

Will enjoy this DLC and then not long after will be the release of Sonic Superstars. Not a bad time to be a Sonic the Hedgehog fan.

[@Mew4U]

The climax was crazy

[@The1upBlock]

The second tower's challenge was way too fine tuned to a strict timer. Made absolutely no sense-- Same goes for the Master King Trial. It's like they didn't account for how much time would be wasted on your way through the ridiculously tight time frame on top of needing to perfect parry-- Which if you failed ONCE, you're severely harming your chances of success. It's a shame this is so hard to get through, even on easy ( Do the Master King Trial on easy, bigger parry window. You'll thank me-- Keep your pride out of it. It's not worth your sanity or time.) because messing around the sandbox as all the characters made me feel like a kid again.. But if kids (And some of us adults.) progress to the final challenge, the game holds Amy, Knuckles and Tails ransom until you complete it. Pretty whack. The credits made me cry again though, so that's neat.

[@noventaporcento]

Great video, but bro how did you NOT talk about rhe spin dash? It changes the WHOLE game!

[@best_mate456]

That was update 2 And just to note this but I think sonic automatically gets the spindash on update 3 island even without the action chain challenge

[@hectorgatica6494]

Leggo! Would like you to do a review of a play station 1 game call Syphon Filter one of my favorite games that was an instant classic.

[@gracekim1998]

Hi I’ll come back to this when I’ve finished it myself

[@ajosephkippkao2016]

Dave is actually valid I use them a lot

[@thegenerations06edits52]

My friend how do u have balloons on the platforming challenges i played on hard and there were no balloons at all

[@productionsinparadise2880]

A lot of that footage was on easy mode........... 😐

[@DDTJOESTAR]

Sonic Team heard people say the game was easy and REALLY took it personally 😂

[@joelnwadike3181]

Almost forgot this guy plays sonic games

[@maorfahima7315]

Cyberspace level 4-b is inane difficulty you might wanna try it took me 2 hours to fully beat it was a mile harder than 1-2

[@johnpinto8299]

I sadly couldn’t really get behind the 3rd update I love the base game but this update didn’t really keep me I still have yet to beat the final boss so maybe the ending will be good

[@GAMM_SAGE]

the umbrella guys have a easier way to defeat and that would be hit them when they throw the hat and when it gets close to his head you parry it

[@gothjoeevil]

Will the pro help with the draw distance

[@matanfgaming640]

What I wouldn't mind is sonic heroes 2 or a sonic heroes remaster and or remake.

[@plutonash2545]

On hard difficulty, scaling those towers are H A R D

[@R04D3X]

did you not finish this at the time of making this video? i don’t understand how you can talk about this update without talking about the final boss and ending which is the MAIN thing here

[@musixroxs5792]

Did u know they added momentum and the spindash it’s a game changer

[@Rouchruvis]

The platforming getting me heated quite a bit actually but that was fine. Only thing i really hated with this personally was the Master King trial. Only time in the entire game were i caved and switched to easy

[@dantemitsoyu977]

It seems like you played on easy mode cause all the balloons on the towers it’s so much harder same for the bosses

[@bigcade554]

Morio Kishimoto maybe went a little too hard on the difficulty after being constantly told by us the game was too easy for a year. I appreciate the old school "f you" challenge in a primarily children's game though, in a way. I'm guessing the next game will have more of a fair balance.

[@InvisibleMan849]

It's not that hard but master king trial? I do not care that is way too hard

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

@@InvisibleMan849I felt acomplished after beating it though. They finally made the bosses actually challenging and not glorified cutscenes.

[@InvisibleMan849]

@@Sydney_Angelyt true

[@lostfire4556]

It seems like we might get a new main villain of the Sonic game series

[@MagicXStallion]

Sheessh that is aggressive pop in trow some ps2 fog in or somthing

[@ThePreciseClimber]

5:53 Of course Re:Mind was $30 while Final Horizon is free.

[@kikiquinterowo3561]

If you got the game on easy mode is gonna give does pop stuff to get up on the tower easy , but if you got it on hard mode , oh god is a nightmare is hard as fu$*#!!!!!!!! So hard

[@elijahandplusgamingandmore]

Bro literally didn’t know that the spin dash is unlockable

[@VongolaXZax]

Cool shirt

[@doomguy5801]

Would like if sonics friends wouldn’t be blurry all the time would like skins of them just being normal like sonic

[@lazydgsf7429]

I can’t imagine anything would make me try Sonic Frontiers again. It was so bad. It was anti-level design. That wasn’t an open world. Just a field with a roller coaster. You want open world platforming you gotta go Sunset OD.

[@HeyItsRidi]

Bro u played on easy. A lot of those extra platforms were not there on normal and hard difficulty. Platforming got hard in this update

[@Spruce-wc9zb]

Saying tails is the worst feeling when knuckles is standing there is crazy. Knuckles is horrid! (My personal opinion)

[@kyleotto5446]

I need to play this

[@ps0894]

Too bad the jukebox doesn't work when you enter the Another Story ring

[@THE_MAC.]

They shouldve given all the skills of the other characters to you right away instead of earning them. You cant even do things that are required without getting them and that seems pretty stupid

[@DisBoiLaith]

Lol he called it easy while playing on easy

[@capercrusader7129]

Crash Team Rumble time free this weekend

[@THESHINIGAMIPOSSE]

This game is so jank lol

[@Nanokoex]

im sorry but the snake trial and the master coco trial are too brutal for me to try and beat this dlc. I just dont like it, and just cause its free doesnt mean its beyond critiscism

[@timlyons3420]

Or you're just too comfortable with the non threatening difficulty of the original game

[@Nanokoex]

im fine with difficult stuff, but this is just insane difficulty@@timlyons3420

[@diiigitz]

​@@timlyons3420Difficulty? This isn't good difficulty, not the difficulty that encourages you to get better it's the kind of difficulty that makes you hate the game and the difficulty spike is just stupid and everything feels like it wasn't play tested.

[@LoliconSamalik]

@@timlyons3420 No. I play on hard and I am experienced with modest to high level devil may cry. The Master Trial shows the flaws with the game, like how wonky hitboxes are and how vague perfect parries are. Mostly on the wyvern fight. You know in the second phase when the wyvern does a two hit combo? The hitboxes of the second slash come out before the slashing animation actually connects to super sonic, which throws me off like hell because that's not sensible action game logic.

[@aaronvasseur6559]

Matty this is 3 updates they drip fed the content over this year why do people not do there research

[@dandyspacedandy]

they made good levels with depth for a FREE update?? I'm more excited for superstars and the future now, imagine what theyll be able to do on a full budget and more time!

[@best_mate456]

If frontiers 2 is like that for all islands then it can be a 70 dollar game if barley any jank is there

[@wavegroup1]

Nice