So is the Cyclone Broken or not?... Hunt: Showdown Tide of Corruption

[@bigsad8881]

I agree with a lot of these comments I’m seeing. I’m really hoping this is the last spam type weapon. Hunt is fun for me because of the atmosphere and the slow, deliberate, gunplay. I worry as time goes on they’re gonna have a higher option for every slow gun and just make them super expensive as “balance” and that just makes me sad.

[@nephilim8559]

I hope they add armored horses with miniguns

[@majesticslug3399]

Doesn't really matter in a game where you can get one tapped from a bush or blasted by shotgun campers. Those two ways to die feel much worse than a guy who manages to two tap me with a cyclone.

[@willieearles3151]

@@majesticslug3399Maybe they feel worse to you, but a two tap in less than a second definitely makes me feel worse than a shotgun.

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

If y'all really think theyre gunna stop adding semi auto/somewhat fast firing weapons, you're crazy. This isn't sniper simulator. Please stop.

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

@@willieearles3151 Have you tried not standing still? It only feels bad because you're assigning morality/skill to it.

[@gabrielmorris3917]

Idk it's kinda spendy and also it is so easy to expend all your ammo and have to put your self in a pickle with the lengthy reload. I'm just mostly upset cause I really just don't want anymore spamming type weapons. The charm of this game to me was that you had to be picky with your shots and think before shooting.

[@lorddude123]

That game is long gone

[@brucekhamp6859]

1000% agreed. The gun was pretty unnecessary and doesn’t aid the og sandbox

[@TheWumbler]

I definitely feel like spammy weapons are a problem but I do like how small the reserve ammo is for the cyclone. I am still hoping for a slight nerf just so it doesnt end up like the carbine.

[@Jesse__H]

Agreed, that's what makes Hunt special. Funny enough, it's still like that on console. Me and my team are high five stars and we run into six stars all the time and we still see tons of small ammo builds and other off-meta builds. I feel like the Hunt console community is just a bit more casual and a little less sweaty overall, which I appreciate.

[@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286]

@@Jesse__H It is actually because console controls suck.

[@zockerschnitzl6604]

Im happy with the Springfield bayonet. Springfield is already propably my favorite gun and now being able to poke people makes it even better

[@NOAURATV]

It's a solid rifle and is even better with high velocity!

[@mozkuthehermit5909]

I was really happy to see that springfield got high velo ammo 670 m/s bullet is pretty much point and click weapon at compound fights

[@Yoda_Gaming1738]

im personally not a fan of it because I was always more drawn to hunt over the slower gunplay. I just hope this is as far as theyre willing to go.

[@Sekaisien]

I mean, there's already the Nagant carbine and the Mosin Avtomat.

[@Yoda_Gaming1738]

@@Sekaisien the avtomat is hardly ever used but was fine when it was that super unique gun. nagant carbine was just out preformed by other weapons. Most of the time playing hunt you see single shot or bolt action rifles, thats what I liked. never was a fan of fanning or levering either but the nerfs to them over the years put them in an ok place

[@IrateWizrd]

@@Sekaisien The carbine has a pretty slow reload though, the cyclone is back in business so fast you can barely capitalize on a reload at all

[@blackbirdplays5256]

@@Yoda_Gaming1738 you’re telling me the semi automatic bolt action isn’t unique. And the Nagant carbine is one of the best guns in the game, it’s just had some ups and downs but it’s been the best even in the downs it’s a close A plus

[@leojohn1615]

im happy with the cyclone its not much different than officer carbine or the dolch but i hope they dont go any further.

[@mud074]

To be totally real, I just dislike seeing all these fast firing weapons being added to the game. IMO it really hurts the "late 1800s slow firing, clunky early-modern firearms" vibe the game had. It was alright when it was just close range weapons like pistols and shotguns while medium and long ranged fights were slow paced shootouts that were either attrition-fests or decided by headshots. The longer ranged 2 tap weapons hurt that vibe so bad.

[@mediumplayer1]

I've heard they will be moving on from ~1895 to ~1914 timeline.

[@lastnamefirstname850]

@@mediumplayer1 And that will be the end of the hunt.

[@Mumpfoon]

i agree. But these more "spammy" weapons haven't really changed up much of the meta imo. Officer carbine is still the top pick if high rate of fire is what you're going for. I think we'll see use of the cyclone die down in a couple weeks - similar to the ironside. People are stll going to use the bolt action and single shot rifles more.

[@enderborn017]

Yay someone shares my sentiment! I bought this game because I was promised slow methodical gameplay and weapons but there's so many fast firing weapons and I really don't see much reason to not bring at least one of them. So many fights take place in such close to medium quarters and it's so fast paced with half the people using them

[@Baywire]

@@Mumpfoon "similar to the Ironside" and similar to the Drilling. The Cyclone proves statistically the Drilling should be minimum reduced to 375 hunt dollars. It's just too expensive for the stats.

[@MediaevalJames]

Honestly just feels like a 3 slot Dolch to me, which I am cool with since it uses medium ammo instead of special. People forget that the Officer Carbine is 1/3 the price and that both it and the Dolch/Dolch P have more ammo to work with before reloading.

[@lastnamefirstname850]

yeah but officer is compact without the fmj option and dolch is special.

[@nickmclean4004]

@@lastnamefirstname850 it's got dumdum now tho

[@vadredant]

@@lastnamefirstname850 yeah, back in the day dolch was medium ammo. They ended up putting a stop to that due to how oppressive it could be with the special ammo change. Time will tell on this one, but at least you can't reload all the shots of an empty like the dolch can.

[@joelnoble3367]

I feel it's a strong addition to the gameplay. The cyclone is quirky for certain and I feel as though the drawbacks are equally balanced with the advantages it gives. I'm glad the devs are giving medium ammo weapons some love with the additon of the drilling and the cyclone. The recoil of the cyclone seems a little all over the place, and the sight picture of the vetterli has never been very popular. I don't quite understand the "spam fire has no place in Hunt" stance as fanning, dual wields, officer nagants, dolches, and avtomats have been in play for years.

[@fylondpettyloaf2972]

The problem with spam that I and many others have at this point is quantity. We had the Bornheim and Dolch, Fanning and Levering, dual wielding, and so on and it worked. They worked out headshots and have tweaked the balance over the years and it's been annoying at times but alright. However, now they have added the scottfield spitfire, the new army, and the cyclone. They keep coming up with new ways to heal which makes the increasing arsenal of spam weapons more viable (most of that healing is in the events, but when those comprise half the year it's basically a moot point). The deliberate, slow ambush that ended in three shots or turned into a five minute shoot out feels like it is going away and that is what drew a lot of us in.

[@crabbowiththestabbo]

I feel like the new guns are a little contrary to Hunt’s scrappy/desperate aesthetic. I wish they would add a few more classic guns like black powder.

[@andrewpauly4783]

The problem with bp is balance. Not to stop it from being in but the other way around. A single shot every 30 or so seconds needs to one shot to feel good. If it doesn't one shot it is just a terrible sparks. If it does one shot than it would be insanely op. The nitro is unwieldy and limited on ammo AND expensive. A bp rifle would be quirky but irrelevant

[@atom8248]

@@andrewpauly4783a lot of the weapons in hunt are black-powder tho

[@Sthephyr12]

@@atom8248 People read black powder and assume muzzle-loading, but yeah, black powder cartridges exist and some of the guns in the game would use exactly those.

[@andrewpauly4783]

@@atom8248 sorry, I'm assuming he is talking about a muzzle loading single shot rifle.

[@shoelessbandit1581]

​@@atom8248like 99% of the guns in game use black powder

[@fabiopauli420]

funnily enough in the first kill shack clip there where only 2 shoots you could only have done with the cyclone, i counted the cycling speed

[@DigitalWolverine]

Drilling has the same cycle time as the cyclone.. it’s not that game changing tbh.

[@fabiopauli420]

the drilling only got 2 shots though lol.@@DigitalWolverine

[@KEBB-ho7fr]

@@fabiopauli420 so hit them

[@SgtPriad]

@@KEBB-ho7fr If you use regular instead of dumdum on drilling it is surprisingly easy also the MV is very very good on the drilling and far better than the cyclone MV

[@KEBB-ho7fr]

@@SgtPriad exactly, just hit the shots

[@itszaque5031]

I used it last night for the first time and picked up 7 kills in a compound fight. It's kinda scary how nuts it is. That being said I don't actually think it's that big of an issue since we already have the officer carbine, the bornheim match and the avtomat. If anything I'm worried about the general trend of the game and it becoming overly spam-y. They've done a decent job at balancing spam with magazine size and reload times, but power creep is a real thing that can be hard to manage as you add more and more weapons into the game. I honestly wonder if Hunt should ever consider doing something like fortnite or pubg does where they cycle weapons in and out of rotation. I dont think we're to that point yet, but eventual there's going to be so many weapons that it may be something to consider.

[@Fate2071]

Not so sure about the power creep, I mean over the longest time the meta has stayed unchanged. Mosin, Sparks, Lebell, Romero, Crown and king are still very strong picks. The development goes more sideways then up, power wise. More alternatives are added without overpowering other weapons...atleast most of the time.

[@itszaque5031]

@@Fate2071 that is fair, it's a concern I have for the future, not the present.

[@Fate2071]

@@itszaque5031 power creep is always a concern for a service game like hunt, but considering how they have handled it so far I am optimistic regarding the future.

[@fylondpettyloaf2972]

In my opinion the fact that we already have the spam weapons is part of the issue. It should be a niche.

[@Jandalf430]

I dont understand why everybody is complaining about spam type weapons damaging the slow, pick-your-shot type gameplay while thinking the way shotguns work in this game is ok. Imo they are the far bigger problem, encouraging you to wait around corners until someone walks into your crossair, one shotting them without any interaction. This bypassing the slow, mid-range gunplay entirely.

[@enderborn017]

Can't say how overpowered it is but the Vetterli is already such an amazing weapon adding a semi-auto version of it feels like a bad idea. When I first saw it I was afraid it'd still do 130 damage; glad it doesn't. But that damage change does feel like it's breaking some sort of unwritten rule. The magazine size seems like it makes it only really effective at killing a single person at a time but it seems really effective at that

[@r-60n54]

If I understand what you're saying correctly, the damage change is very consistent with what we have in the game. Cyclone has a much shorter barrel, and almost every change in barrel length in hunt either adds or takes damage. Nagant and lemat carbine, short winfields, bornheim match, berthier (has the same cartridge as lebel)

[@enderborn017]

@@r-60n54 Yeah I guess there's a lot more of that than I thought. The only thing I could think of off the top of my head was the Bornheim. I don't really look at the carbines and thought they did the same damage and I didn't know the Winfield Vandals do less damage? Most weapon variants do the same damage as the base

[@BasslineHeavy]

Feels pretty powerful at close to the closer side of medium range. Past this you may as well have a bolt action given the time you need to take between shots and plenty of the bolt actions just feel more accurate to me

[@legallytargeted5688]

I run crown & slugs alll the time, and the cyclone feels basically the same, just with way more range. I think the fire rate needs nerfed a bit

[@finnyjam8252]

I thought they said they *weren’t* adding semi auto rifles

[@Bloodhurl67]

That's been a lie since the nagant officer

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

Source?

[@cz1723]

As I thought, it's not the most broken gun ever. It's good for compounds... alongside like 6 other primary guns and even more pistols. Technically great, but everything in Hunt is baseline situational. The only time we'll ever get a truly broken gun is when we get one that's extremely effective in all situations.

[@fabiopauli420]

ik its part of the "balance" but i hate the argument that is always made of "Oh but its 500$" how much a gun costs shouldnt be in discussions of gameplay balance atleast not in a game like hunt where its really not difficult to make alot of $ quickly

[@justinhawes1593]

I hear what you’re saying, but if the Avtomat was 5 dollars, we would feel that immediately. We would see the Avtomat in every match, lol.

[@itshanhan1]

Maybe it isn't hard for you. But to get to the point where you can spend 500 quid every round without fearing to get broke, isn't as easy for most of the player base. So higher MMR usually uses more expensive weapons that are generally better than other weapons. It very much affects the meta and balance in each mmr group.

[@screamingcactus1753]

@@itshanhan1 Honestly the whole "earning currency in game to spend on the next game" is the main thing keeping me from playing. I love the feel of the guns, I love the setting, I love emphasis on resource management and stealth, but the whole meta economy just totally throws me off.

[@fabiopauli420]

@@screamingcactus1753 its really not that bad. Like he said in his post unless you rock a full loadout best guns character ever single game you are fine. There is also always the free hunter you can take into your match so you will never be unable to play. Some of the cheapest guns are actually still pretty good in a large number of situations aswell.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

The lovely classical music in the low background is a great touch.

[@nunoborges16]

they nerfed quickswap because it wasnt fair and then release a weapon that can 2 tap even faster than old qs. even tho they add a lot of good QOL stuff, since 1.3 gameplay gets worse with each patch: levering, dual wielding, more spam weapons etc etc hunt was about slow shooting weapons and being precise, now all you need is to spam

[@paddypibblet846]

In a game where headshots all one tap, multiple weapons also one shot to the chest, and where superior positioning is king... You're absolutely wrong.

[@AverySadBear]

Why is the drilling rifle still a comparable price to the cyclone? :c

[@shiekastate]

I'm not happy with the addition of the cyclone, but I dont think it will impact much. The officer carbine will likely stay the first pick for accurate spam fire and headclicking. My biggest gripe is that these very accurate high RoF weapons make close range extremely irritating. Being one tapped by a shotgun is one thing, but being two tapped by a cyclone or officer carbine at 35m at warp speed just further encourages bunkering down or staying at long-range because most other weapons will just be outgunned the moment they get into a mutual exchange that isn't decided by a headshot.

[@freejay6091]

i really have a strong feeling, that hunt never needed this kind of weapon. neither the firing speed nor the "weirdness" due to it being so modified.

[@SylphieVT]

This weapon is all I've been using since the release of the event. I use it and the baseball bat, I absolutely love the bat, Most people don't expect for you to shoot 4 shots and have a melee weapon, they more expect a pistol so they rush me and boom dead. its just too much fun xD

[@apuffball5754]

Weird that people think the 1850s or so was slow firing weapons. The Winnie is all about being as fast as you can lever. Hell, it's when most weapons went up to being semi-auto instead of single firing. But yeah, I don't much care for the super fast firing weapons. I do feel like the cyclone is perfect in its small ammo pool + lengthy reload (Can't even cancel the animation on bullet insertion like the normal version). It's good.

[@shoelessbandit1581]

In the 1850s people were still using muzzle loaders. In 1895 when the game takes place smokeless powder was just starting to spread around and most guns don't use it. Semi autos really weren't common until the 1910s and even then militaries only started using them in the 1930s. I'm just pointing out hilariously historically inaccurate your comment is though yeah the cyclone doesn't really seem that bad even though it's yet another spam option in hunt: spam down

[@apuffball5754]

@shoelessbandit1581 revolvers and carbines were made in the 1850s, some of the fastest shooting and reloading weapons you could find at the time. Doesn't matter what kind of powder they worked on, they didn't need to be handled like single shot rifles. Also, double barrels were also being produced, and they were all about being fast loading as well. Much slower than the previously mentioned guns, but a hell of a lot faster than single shot rifles.

[@HomeReel]

I think where people get confused is they think it’s supposed to be like standard issue military weapons or something, which just had different needs and requirements, for not only ease of use and maintenance but cost and logistics as well. It makes sense to me that these hunters would have special interest weapons

[@empty5013]

it's really interesting seeing people get up in arms about this being a fast firing gun when it's basically a rifle version of the spitfire with a smaller magazine.

[@HomeReel]

True, probably could have achieved most of this with the spitfire as well

[@maegnificant]

The baseball bat is straight up broken. Was really disappointed the latest hotfix didn't nerf it. It's way too fast and one-hit kills more often than not. Maked all other melee weapons obsolete, especially the hammer.

[@sighnotthisagain1677]

The animations are top notch tbh, the timing and sound design. Great stuff imo.

[@1dustbranch111]

Right when the event started me and a friend were talking about which pact was gonna be the most broken and which was gonna be the most used, that double bar heal at 7:31 is so dumb, while I completely understand the arguments for breaking the weapons pace of the game that people have with the new Vetterli. I am more so frustrated with the pacts always having a clear best and the developers not balancing things mid event. If it was just getting your bars back, so you could then heal them back up, it would be the best of the pacts. But bars back instantly fully heal them, get outta town thats dumb

[@TheBlaiit]

Love the chill classical music in the background, nice choice! Love the gameplay as usual.

[@milagrosgutierrezmartin9506]

Maybe some people don't like it. But I love these frankenstein crazy weapons in Hunt. Really gives you the sense of trying to bring any possible advantage to a fight with the literal forces of hell

[@RanmaSyaoranSaotome]

Can we have a list of all the music in this video please, because you had some awesome choices in there.

[@ThorDude]

I think the cyclone is fine. It seems to reward accuracy and knowing when to get that vital pick, rather than just slinging lead down range. It might be a little strong for what it is, but I think it's up to you to unlock the Cyclone's potential.

[@beardedhoser]

Love the cyclone. Price tag is high but love the gun. I am not a Vetterli user though. More of a Centennial player. Cyclone is good though!!!

[@HomeReel]

I think I still favor the centennial more as well

[@ImJCyo]

The inclusion of classical music (?? possibly some movie score or something?) in some key moments of this video sprinkled in really added additional flavor. 10/10. The cyclone is great, but the price makes me not want to use it. I'd go poor before long.

[@cesargranada6194]

I love this weapon! And all its variants. Great video!

[@jdwylde7]

In my opinion crytek hit it out of the park here. It’s expensive as it should be, the ammo count is great and also good that it can only hold 4 rounds at a time. It’s a slower reload that needs careful planning. I’d say it hit where it needs to stay. The drilling, however, needs to be lowered in price imo. But pair the cyclone with a baseball bat..near perfect combo.

[@Nick-lc8vf]

I'm sorry Home but you really need to work on not using the mouse wheel to select equipment. It's hard to watch somebody fumbling around during a fight. I struggled with that for like a year until I finally decided to remove the mouse wheel from the key binds. now it's second nature. I know you can do it man

[@sneakydragon2352]

Hey Homereel, i've been following you since you picked up hunt, and the improvement in your aim and movement have been really nice to follow. When i first started watching you my first thought was "Oh, a 4 star! It'll be cool to see what kind of shennanigans he gets up to, to try and keep up with higher skilled players" Now my thoughts are "This guy's got some nice aim and decision making" it has been really amazing to see you improve at this game and get up to 5* (i can only assume, based on the replays). All the best

[@Thunderous117]

The music was a wonderful touch, well played and another great video Home!

[@memerightsactivist7972]

Do you know what song that is?

[@SweeneyG.]

Call of Camp: Showdown

[@sepronlayden5189]

I feel like if people have a problem with the cyclone then they should have issues with the drilling which imo if your playing better a drilling will beat almost every gun especially with bleed rounds

[@NOAURATV]

Yeah drilling is definitely my pick as well but their both really good

[@kleinerloewe2052]

liked the music in background, would appreciate it in other videos, too!

[@andrewmckeown4238]

It’s fun and very strong up close, but at range the iron sight is very chunky and the sway is really bad imo making it hard to be precise, which imo keeps it balanced

[@austinjackson7298]

I'd just like to be able to try it. Console updates over a week delay so far

[@guillermoperez8882]

10:28 "I think he got the rizz"

[@nobodyded1664]

Played a few mathces against it , not really a big fan.. as long as the user knows how to aim it's really tough to beat the spam power... eh , hopefully not too many spam weapons will be introduced.

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

It's literally like fighting someone with a Dolch/Bornheim/Officer.

[@nobodyded1664]

@@TragicTheGatheringMTG Yeah... I played a few games with the weapon and I completely stomped the lobby.. It needs a nerf asap.

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

@@nobodyded1664 Anecdotal evidence doesn't support your argument as much as you think it does.

[@nobodyded1664]

@@TragicTheGatheringMTG Not making an arguement , just talking about my opinion and thoughts which obviously different from everyone else , maybe due to skill level etc.. I'm a returning player so im kinda washed so yeh~

[@ulfricsombrage]

I love how you were literally besieged at the begining XD

[@MysteriMaan]

Are you playing Genshin Impact Fontaine behind Hunt or something? The rainbow colors and score kinda reminds me

[@nickmclean4004]

"Constant Whirlwind" Nice

[@Scott90314]

I'll open with this many of us feel the tightening grip of inflation, and it's presence everywhere, and with that being said apparently crytek does as well. After some time the after shadows I have had some time to reflect on the drilling, and my initial impression of the cyclone is similar. It's a zippy two tap with a lengthy reload from empty. You know what else is a zippy two tap with a lengthy reload animation with around a 1/4 price the officer carbine. I think once the event is over and the newness has faded many people will realize this and continue to use the carbine over the cyclone imo. Perhaps it will find a place amongst the B teir of Hunt weapons similar to the drilling, but I would be lying if I wasn't skeptical.

[@willieearles3151]

The leg up that the drilling and cyclone have over the officer carbine is full metal jacket ammo, making them much better at range than an unscoped carbine.

[@Scott90314]

@@willieearles3151 yeah but chances are if you are close enough to capitalize on the rate of fire of either guns dmg over range is rarely going to be an issue imo. Both guns specialize in cqc spam with the potential to headshot over range, but with the carbine getting dum dum it kinda pushes it into the better category imo. Which in my mind further solidifies the carbine as both the better spammer and far more cost effective.

[@bshell1731]

I think of you as an informational entertainer. Then videos like this remind me you're also a beast at this game.

[@whyareusobad3528]

My experience with it so far is If you do not see the person before their first shot You are losing that’s it

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

That's usually how Hunt works...Don't know if you know, but good players typically hit headshots on unaware players. Lmfao please.

[@whyareusobad3528]

@@TragicTheGatheringMTG why are you talking like I don’t know how to play i swap between 5-6 star all the time I know how to play The guns borderline OP like a direct upgrade from the nagant officer

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

@@whyareusobad3528 cause you typed like a 3 star

[@whyareusobad3528]

@@TragicTheGatheringMTG not really it’s just such a high rof comparable to fanning

[@captainblastems3367]

For someone who mains the vetterli I am going to be very happy whilst making people very sad

[@Daddy22mad]

People saying "Spamming" like landing 2 out of 4 shots takes no skill.

[@Scott.E.H]

Cover the bornheim suppressed. It's literally the only reason why I reinstalled lol

[@Jacksonace1]

At the absolute very least this gun should be special ammo only. The fast pistols are one thing, but a semi auto fmj rifle is pretty crazy. Would have much rather had a speed loader medium slot variant of the normal veterli or something.

[@bkeith1005]

imo.. whats lame about games with oldschool weaponry is they all soccumb to power creep at some point, where they just keep breaking the mold making more modern guns. like having the automat should have been the top end modern guns that they did. at least its super expensive, unwieldy (without cheating), and near impossible to sustain ammo wise. now theres like something modern in every archetype. eventually hunts literally gonna need a classic mode to keep true fans of the og game happy.

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

No, not really. This gun is popular cause it just got released dog, the Officer Carbine is literally older and didnt break the game and is literally better, but whenever a gun that can shoot more than one round comes out all the most "skilled" players come out and say the game is dying.

[@like50jews]

Classical music montages is 🤌

[@Sulfarius]

I think Hunt needs to start considering if weapons like this should be purchasable or not. Things like Avtomat and a few others would be cool to see sometimes but if they get to a state where they're too strong and you see them everywhere it sucks. I think a neat idea would be that the armories in the maps (those locations in compounds where you can find supplies similar to a supply cart) would have a small chance to have a more 'modern'/experimental type weapon like the avtomat and maybe this cyclone too. Or maybe a new side objective that's a corrupted soldier or hunter that drops one of these weapons. A wild target of sorts that doesn't appear every match and is rare but drops a supply box bounty which you can extract with to get an item reward instead of hunt dollars. The pool could have some of the more expensive weapons in it and then also a few weapons that you can't normally buy which would once again be stuff like avtomat, cyclone, dolch and a few others. Would feel fun to have one of these rare weapons and seeing them in a match even on another hunter would create more excitement to go and try and get those weapons if they are much rarer to use. Even if they are a little bit out of line I don't think that's a huge problem since a lot of weapons can still kill hunters easily no matter what weapon they are using.

[@chosentwice1839]

The only person with a brain in this comment section.

[@mememachine6763]

This guy gets it.

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

@@chosentwice1839 So that means you have no brain? u wot m8

[@fylondpettyloaf2972]

The balance with the cyclone is only money. I rarely use the Dolch because it uses special and I infrequently use the officer because it is compact without the high reserve ammo of compact (etc.), being able to stack a scottfield with the cyclone is going to create a whole new spam issue. The only incentive not to use this over other non-scoped medium ammo is money, which only restricts the low-skilled and casual players. I personally extend this complaint to things like the avto and the drilling, because using money to balance objectively good equipment exacerbates skill gaps. As someone who consistently spends $500+ on my weapons anyway, I strongly disagree with this addition. They just spent nearly an entire year trying to figure out how to balance spam, why are they adding this?

[@commonsense-og1gz]

this is why it pays to listen to what people are using. never charge someone with a semiauto, unless you have a shotgun.

[@troll5262]

Feels like cheating when I use the thing. It shoots way too fast for the damage it does with almost no sway and very manageable recoil. If you just shoot three times the reload is also really fast, tho using that last bullet is commonly needed. Which makes the reload reasonable. When the Drilling came out people were afraid the two-tap potential of it would be too much. Turned out it was fine, if a strong option. Cyclone is that, but four shots instead of two, with (opinion) far more clear sights.

[@iMost067]

Spitfire have HV now, and its about 400$ cheaper

[@ericjames4034]

The dismissive serpent comment made me furious lol

[@Shooter10m]

It will be just like the officer carbine, extremely strong with good players, extremely mid with bad players. 5 and 6* mmr will use it a lot while 3 and 4 * players wont use it nearly as much.

[@danielrutledge3405]

Honestly at that price I'd rather just grab a drilling with dumdums instead. Similar fast firing two tap but with extra preassure from the bleed

[@paddypibblet846]

To know if a gun is OP we must take a look at what the 6stars are using. I rarely if ever see the semi-auto Vetterli used in high elo games. The reality is that long ammo is king in 6 star MMR where everyone has good aim (fighting from a distance) and good at wallbangs. This gun falls short of that META playstyle.

[@faithless-games3893]

I know its depending on range etc, but i don't think its a 2 tap. I was in a gun fight at lockbay docks yesterday and it took 3 hits at quite close range to the chest to get a down with standard ammo. I love the cyclone but i think the standard karabiner is a 2 tap not the cyclone

[@Shadow_star_tech]

You def didn't hit them in the chest then must been arm and leg shots

[@faithless-games3893]

@@Shadow_star_tech no it was definitely chest, ill need to see if I clipped it yesterday as it was a close enough range to be able to see where it hit

[@HomeReel]

Did you have FMJ? Medium ammo damage drops off pretty quickly

[@faithless-games3893]

@@HomeReel tbf it was incendiary ammo, so that's probably the reason

[@maxtugger1859]

It’s not bad, but it’s cost for me personally, makes it every now and then weapon.

[@Daljin_YT]

1:50 healing while between two heals (left and right) gave me ocd

[@memerightsactivist7972]

Anyone know what classical song is playing?

[@occul4rsn1pes32]

Can we get the event on console?...

[@NickName-nc2ld]

Too expensive, only good side is since it wasn't affected by the ammunition nerf stupidity, you can shoot alot without having to extract midfight. If only they would concentrate on fixing the bugs.

[@boiboi2674]

I feel like they should make it cost 500 on the dot and nerf the rate of fire by just a bit orrrr make it 3 bullets that could also work.

[@novarravon2449]

In Simply pissed of the costante adding of spam gun

[@freejay6091]

Are you playing with Lukan in the other game?

[@two_owls]

Real moral of the story: Rampage MVP

[@marinhodzhev]

we need a slate vid

[@scarletsence]

1:04 what skin gloves is it?

[@HomeReel]

The Wormbite I think

[@Warillusen]

man kills people with style and a guy approaching slowly with a scottsfield beats him

[@HomeReel]

Gotta keep it interesting or something lol

[@polymorphed]

Is Cyclone an insane strong weapon? Yes! Will I ever buy it ? Hell no did you see the price on this thing!

[@theartofcompetition5965]

how can anyone see with those iron sights.

[@Ryder42]

I'm to busy being F'd my matchmaking and facing prestige 100 people with unlimited money to level up the pass to even Get the Cyclone... The Hell of 4 star is real...

[@montana2806]

its broken price wise, i aint spending that much on medium ammo i can buy me a mosin and have money left , i never buy expensive guns but if i do i buy long ammo like lebel or mosin sometimes but this is just absurdly expensive..

[@tisigrozen]

Ofc it's broken. They might as well add M1 Garand to the inventory...

[@naneljube1]

Cyklone is ... I am on console 😢

[@martinnolhaf3151]

when he wasted his midkeit for bleeding!!!

[@badbuddha2359]

I fuckin love you home! UwU.. i uhh havent tried cyclone in real game bc i only have the one and im poor lol.. its got an interesting kick when i was fucking around w it in shooting range though.. kinda wish theyd introduce a decent gun thats under like 350 for once..

[@Chubzic.]

Such semi-auto should be a replacement for an automat. The problem of a last one is just being way out of balance for the game. It is either OP or unplayable. While semi-auto gun is relatively more balanceble.

[@captainblastems3367]

I havent ever really come across an automat player that actually did so well with it I blamed the gun.

[@Chubzic.]

@@captainblastems3367 I used to play with it regularly before the dual spaks pistol nerf. Usually were taking for a meme run at the end of the session, thinking 'Finally I will die and lose it'. And I don't remember a single game where I lost an avtomat. Becuase you are just spamming the bullets through all the walls and don't care. It was OP. Now, without spare ammo, it is OP until you run out of bullets (which is pretty fast). So it makes a little sense to take a gun that is effective against first 2 players you encounter, and then it is a junk with no ammo. So nobody plays it now. This gun is way out of balance. It is nearly impossible to make it balanced *within the Hunt's PVP model with mostly single-shot guns*.

[@buckiemohawk3643]

i got it once and havent played it again because i have bought it becuase there are better guns

[@lorddude123]

It's super broken and will auto center and has zero recoil

[@mememachine6763]

Honestly not a fan of this update. The weapons; uppercut variants, cyclone, and also the event perks. Infernal getting access to basically immunity to all damage types is just frustrating.

[@theddrain]

Haha I was killed at the shack of death good game it was fun

[@garretttann106]

I can tell you right now, when i get killed by op weapons(nitro,avtomat) and obnoxious mosins I don't think wow that guy spent a lot of money for that jokes on him. At high elos people abuse the strongest weapons and money really isnt an issue. I've been sitting on 75K for over a year and I'm an average player I would say, 5star. Money isnt a con or even a factor most the time. The game is supposed to be fun not who has the most money to spend on the better gear. RIP hunt, all these rapid fire weapons are no incentive for me to come back and play after 1month.

[@NevRS32]

Well... I don't like it. Shoots as fast as a new army with medium range and damage...?! Not even a proper spread from hip fire?!? If I wanted gamplay like this I'd play CS or Valorant.

[@Qit_qt]

The lack of spam is what makes hunt hunt ... Duelies fanning levering hip firing shotguns all feel unrewarding to use, an frustrating to die to . I find my self saying "spamming in the buyu every day already .

[@TragicTheGatheringMTG]

Hunt has had "spam" weapons for the majority of its lifetime. Just because you didn't encounter them in your matches doesn't mean you should flat out lie.

[@thevalentinelegacy]

Hey I like your videos but could you balance your sound a little better if i have it loud enough ti hear you well your gameplay is deafening. Thank you

[@caseyorbison89]

Spam weapon plus being expensive so only good players can afford it equals shit for low levels

[@jocro8090]

By the skin of your teeth, is there any better way to win?

[@xXTheBennyXx]

I play this game because of the slow and meaningful gunplay. Where every shot counts and misses lead to punishment thats why I main crossbow. If that is removed and it turn into another spam game where just fire rate is superior then I will move on from hunt. Who the fuck asked for this? Cost is not a way to balance it just makes it even more unbalanced because the one that has it will have not only a superior weapon, but will probably face oponents with low chance of going agaist said weapon