SO MANY BUFFS, NERFS, & MORE! BIGGEST PATCH NOTES IN GAME HISTORY! - The Division 2 TU22 Patch Notes

[@blamperton9590]

They are taking 10 bullets from the st Elmo’s engine 😑 that was one big reason it was known for. For the 70 bullets it held in one clip. They are literally changing aspects of weapons that make it the weapon, for what exactly?

[@jdanteb]

To make people use other weapons and/or use gear/brand sets that increase mag size. I know the nerfs are often looked at as a negative, but it allows us as the players to think of alternative ways to play aside from what the community thinks is the absolute best.

[@blamperton9590]

@@jdanteb that makes sense but I feel like the clip of that gun was a characteristic of what made it unique. Especially it being an exotic and is what made a lot of people wanna get it. An assault with a 70 round clip. It’s like changing a part of the game that was set just because they want people to use or play with something else but used 70 round clip to lure people in on getting it. So it makes little sense on changing something to that aspect.

[@Spirallingdown23]

Thank for explaining it. Not many people appreciate you. ❤

[@maddemon21]

This is because the community vetoed that seasonal character idea

[@kainmarco4323]

they are punishing us for not falling in line with the seasonal character garbage

[@tommydee3765]

​​@@kainmarco4323 amd what exactly is punishment woth patch filled buffes and positive fixes and lil nerfs that won't affect much ?

[@MarkIIBros]

As a returning player who just got all of their gear optimized and set up again, I can say this is an absolute win! I can finally take my life back, and rid myself of this horrible addiction. Having my main builds nerfed back in the early days (Classic M1A, EB, etc.) drove me away the first time, and after returning I’m having too much of a flashback of that to continue playing. Anyways, enjoy the new balancing guys, get to grinding, and I’ll see you guys when Brooklyn drops, or Div 3, whichever actually happens lol

[@Acooky.]

imagine playing a looter shooter live service then complaining when theres balancing patches. It's like jumping in a volcano and complaining its hot

[@TheInfii]

​@@Acooky.Found the Ubi meat manager. Is it big orrrrr?

[@JMosc1]

Agreed. All my time spent leveling and perfecting a build only to have it quintuple nerfed - why am I not ecstatic? Striker nerfed, Picaros nerfed, obliterate nerfed, Elmo’s nerfed , Scorpio nerfed - cool I didn’t want to play that build any more anyway. Is GTa6 here yet?

[@ttgNiqqa]

Bye. Won’t miss you

[@marksubsky]

Absolutely dude, let's nerf all of our favourite weapons that we've spent hundreds of exotic components to get to expertise 26 just for them all to now be trash, respecting the players time? I don't think so!

[@markkue5173]

Instead of creating new game modes like survival or 15 vs 15 from Division 1 to Division 2 they come up with nerfs and useless exotic weapons which all end up being stored away. Ubisoft you guys suck!!!

[@dylanmorgan3949]

Then don't play simple as that your comment means literally nothing to us as a community or the game devs 😂🎉

[@Devin-u1h]

Y’all be to tough on KZbin

[@ignasraliuga4396]

@@dylanmorgan3949 do your comment mean something?

[@joenorman4700]

​@@dylanmorgan3949found the dev meat rider

[@youngsplikak5867]

Cool. Now I’m uninstalling. Great job Ubisoft, just when i was getting back into the game lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@custum18]

Thinking the same. Just came back a month ago after being away for three years. Finally getting my builds done and now they're no good.

[@flashyjackyoutube]

I started 4 months ago.. I love ninja builds and I use brazos for mag size (2 piece with ninja.. I can get behind 10% wpn dmg for picaros… but OBLITERATE??? They coulda made it PVE 25% and PVP 17% and/or Added perfect obliterate.. nope just straight nerf.. now I gotta test out glass cannon for first time I can barely do solo heroic with few in between deaths now.. idek.

[@youngsplikak5867]

@@flashyjackyoutube facts brother, took many hours making builds and crunching the numbers to optimize them. Just seems like a waste now, and right now, i just don’t have the time anymore. Plus, many more games are out right now. It’s been fun, but I’m burnt out of this game.

[@frank_yolo8567]

Nobody care

[@youngsplikak5867]

@@frank_yolo8567 don’t comment then

[@LaYungFlock]

Honestly, I’m kinda hurt because I feel like all the people that spent countless days expertise their gear through making new characters and grinding in the game are fucked so many of us have weapons that are expertise 20+ & now u nerfing some of our favorites 🥺 Honestly they can nerf everything but don’t nerf the Scorpio. That is everyone’s first love . Saved us from so many wipes . The Scorpio needs to stay the way it is .

[@-sneak-]

Thanks for your time and hardwork Kami.

[@sunsetwolfqueen8837]

Thank you for always explaining things so I sorta understand. 🥰

[@CGolden-tm2bu]

Yes I’m definitely in the “ sorta group “😂

[@AliasNeoXero]

😂 all we asked for was DLC! Thank you for the update they are really trying to kill this game off.

[@Butcher851]

They are pretty much taking all the weapons, talents, brand sets, gear sets that most people use and nerf them to the ground in order to force us into using other stuff. Scorpio nerf, St elmos nerf, striker nerf, providence nerf, obliterate nerf, picaros nerf, M700 nerf, trying to maximise proficiency, expertise and so on, using 500 exotic components to get them to level 26 only to come and nerf them and start all over again trying to find new loadouts and getting them to level 26. Every patch they release breaks half the game and then they come and try to render 3/4 of our loadouts useless. Are they trying to get rid of the remaining player base? Who asked for these changes?

[@leonardofacchin1452]

What they appear to be trying to do is to differentiate playstyles and to make more of them viable. Look at the insane buffs to weapon mods for instance. They are clearly meant to push players into making hard decisions about how they want to play the game by widening the options that can cause the same weapon to play in very different ways. I guess changes in gear sets are meant to do the same: they noticed that certain builds were outperforming most of the others to the extent that they had become the clearly superior choice and they are trying to level the performance so that this isn't the case anymore. I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing. I'm just trying to guess the rationale behind these changes.

[@brandonjbrown82]

I agree with you completely. This is complete bullshit @Butcher851

[@the-jar]

If you’re actually mad about the striker backpack and Elmo’s nerf you’re a fucking noob. A couple of these are questionable but overall this is going to be much better for the game

[@Butcher851]

@@the-jar Yes, I am a noob if you say so. If you don't notice a pattern then you are part of the problem. The pattern is that by the time most people have set up their builds, trying to maximise expertise, spending countless hours and resources, they release a new patch completely changing half of those items, forcing people to start all over again. It's not just the strikers or st elmos, half of the builds if not more for most people will change. You only mentioned 2 items. Go and check the patch notes, 90% of the items and guns nerfed is what most people use and that is the problem, if you don't see that then I don't know what game you are playing or how long you have been playing. People will find new builds with the new patch, and by the time they set up their builds, try to maximise all their gear and expertise I am 100% they will come in a future patch and completely change them and nerf them again. That is their modus operandi.

[@the-jar]

@@Butcher851 there are more buffs than nerfs in this update. Some items that already had strong places in the meta such as catharsis and umbra even got buffs, and others like capacitor or future initiative didn’t even get touched. They’re not trying to ruin everything good, it’s just balancing, and there is no “pattern” since this is the first rebalance of this scale in a long time. The 4pc striker bp, obliterate, coyotes, Elmo’s meta has ruled the game for too long. You should never be able to have 1 loadout you can use absolutely anywhere, and that’s what that loadout was. The loadout was unbalanced, same with scorpio. Having the same 1/2 loadouts be viable everywhere is unhealthy for the game because that’s what causes burnout and people quitting. Balancing is going to cause meta changes, and if you’ve put all your eggs in 1 basket and can’t adjust to those changes. That is YOUR fault. Complaining about being incentivised to grind in a game built around grinding is straight up moronic.

[@c-loslando8420]

They nerfed my entire main build. They must have been watching me. They nerfed all my gear that I maxes out expertise. Wasted my hard effert to grind exotic components. RIP obliterate, RPK, AK-M, picaro's holster and my time.

[@lithari1480]

this is why online games and builds are never a good combo.

[@RickP-p5e]

Cause they want you spend your life grinding it all over again ,

[@flashyjackyoutube]

Man I can get by picaros, I do 2x brazos for the mag buff 50% (thx god they didn’t mess with that..) BUT OBLITERATE?!!?? They coulda made it 17% for PvP and PVE 25% or MADE A PERF. OBLITERATE.. I just started 3 months ago and got my ninja 1-2 months ago, finally made a build survivable in heroic.. and then they rip my only gear talent away.. I need that obliterate at 25%.. now I’m just gonna be using catharsis or ninja umbra with 2x brazos.. so glad they added to every talent besides umbra

[@Yewbzee]

Same bro.

[@killbill1374]

Adios divison 2 Why waste your time Trying to get the exotics and then Ubisoft nurfs them

[@RedRomo]

I was already teetering on quitting this game and this just put the nail in the coffin for me.

[@sidvicious7890]

new gear and still no expanded storage

[@ericmarincel2481]

The ouro nerf is a real dick punch. It took me so long to get it.

[@Yewbzee]

That new exotic holster might help with it.

[@champ33404]

Wow … I still don’t have the EB or the ravenous .

[@drakelance7182]

All the magazine size nerfs is ridiculous might as well take away guns just have throwing weapons, proof again devs NEVER listen to community

[@flashyjackyoutube]

Alll I wear is brazos and picaros for mag size with ninjabike and chest ALWAYS GOT obliterate this hurts wayyy too much

[@dirrrtydawg9772]

Find a way to change one piece of gear to a red core and problem solved. Unless you run all red already. Then your out of luck. Sorry. 13% less damage does suck. Specialization would give you back 5-10% depending on what you may use and how you use it as well. All is not lost but they are lame for this.

[@tramapolean]

Optimal Range. Looks like a LOT of ways to increase that, but what difference does it make? Given maps are mostly about close range engagements, and the game also only renders things out to a certain extent too. Unless there is something about to change on that as well?

[@andrewhacker5034]

The FAL or SLR to us brits should hit like an elephant gun.

[@simontaylor9362]

R.I.P Scorpio

[@alexfarmwald3946]

Good riddance lol

[@kineticstar]

She carried me in my solo hunt of the Hunters!

[@symbiotex1751]

Noooooooôooooooooooo!!!!!!!

[@00579G47]

Really? I just got the Scorpio a hour ago.

[@symbiotex1751]

@@00579G47 better enjoy the few weeks u have with it cause u gonna miss is current fonction like hell in the future

[@J-reezy20Gaming]

This is going to greatly affect PVP since they are not buffing any of the crit chance mods. It's going to invite a lot of people running high armor builds and pop shot is going to be more meta along with high armor shotgun builds are going to run rampant in dz And conflict. if they don't look at the attachments across the board for crit chance, damage builds will die out since they're already people complaining about bunk builds in PvP which means exotic attachments needs to be looked at across the board as well to even balance The damage nerfs on Brand sets.

[@clouded.x0]

FACTS!!!!!

[@SubZero......]

The devs just committed first degree murder on div 2. R.I. to the P.

[@goodjoejoe]

I looked for a buff to another exotic AR to replace Elmo's and there was none. This is the kind of nerf I hate. It's the reason I left Destiny 2. Nerfing stuff and not even providing a good alternative.

[@leonardofacchin1452]

Actually, Obliterate was subjected to an almost 33% nerf. It's an 8% absolute decrease over a 25% maximum stack bonus. So the max stack was reduced by about a third.

[@jamescox8283]

I’m 😂 that the didn’t touch the pestilence. And 😢 at the same time. 😮 wait Sup Agent 😊! I enjoy your long video’s it’s so informative. Great work keep them coming.

[@dits17]

if the game wasn't dead enough before, it is now....RIP

[@alexbetiukov2953]

Happy to see u bro making those shorts videos 👌🏻

[@heavensabyss4376]

So the new gear set is made for the rifles that are now fully automatic and with the new exotic holster fits that’s well with a smg or shotgun as a backup

[@flashyjackyoutube]

Listen I’m a brazos mag size addicted gamer (I’m sad about 15 wpn dmg away from picaros.. but they left 50% mag size on.. I like more bullets in my guns and I’ve been heroic 1-2 months.. I’ve barely survived but…) OBLITERATE IS MADDENING!! I could understand if they made a perfect obliterate and kept perfect at 25% but now essentially I got catharsis or heartbreakers.. not both.. my ninjabuilds for solo world will never be the same, I COULD ALSO UNDERSTAND OBLITERATE PVP NERF WHERE ITS 17% in PVP but not PVE too

[@O3GFY]

They really make it hard to stay positive about this game.

[@chrisdouglas720]

I've been playing Hunter's Fury and Dark Winter combo for YEARS. Looks like it's about to become KING once again. Boom.

[@diadem03destiny29]

This whole nerf Armageddon seems like malice.

[@HerbalistAce]

Is the Oro even used for the talent? I don't think it is. I don't have it so Idk the talent. But basically Oro will be just a vector now. Vector will be better when you put killer on it. Dark Winter has perfect killer. So probably won't be seeing Oro be used anymore. But as a Bullet King lover, I'm gonna love that. That new Centaurions Scabbard will go really well with Oro The fully automatic rifles will be a beast in Descent.

[@mycatisatank]

Did the dev just nerf all the current guns overall because we laught at them the season 6 weapon are joke and no one use them? And this is a revenge to get back to the player?

[@lithari1480]

The only question i want answered is if they are planning to reduce the base difficulty of all the solo content to normal instead of forcing high difficulty settings....

[@dirrrtydawg9772]

Still would love to be able to take a knee or go prone with a rifle or MMR.

[@clos1991j]

fully automatic ravenous holy shit

[@custum18]

Man I've been using catharsis solo over coyote. That's a win. My striker and St. Elmo is not.

[@DonovanAenslaed]

Huge nerfs all across the board! This is not good! Before, enemies refuse to die due to them being bullet sponges without meta weapons. They will be bullet sponges no matter what. GG Division crew, you idiots.

[@MarquesYoung-nm4hd]

Enemy sponges always had work arounds I don't know about these nerfs haven't played since TU15

[@alexfarmwald3946]

They only nerfed the most ridiculously op guns. And do you think that's all they did? No, they buffed the worst exotics too. It's good for the game

[@kineticstar]

That hyena in a tank top who's been bullying me for the past 6 years just got a buff!

[@Shademastermcc]

How do enemies refuse to die? Heroic is supposed to be difficult, just play on a lower difficulty. If enemies aren't dying to a few bullets on normal then you're doing something wrong.

[@snuffysims]

looks like optimizing or expertise is a waste of time and materials… any progress will be destroyed by the devs exercising their ego! lol

[@Infinite_Metaverses]

Savage Wolverine is so slept on IMO.

[@carstenheine602]

Once started with Division 1 with a great story and an overall nice game I switched to the Division 2 hoping going further on in the storyline and getting some more features and possibilities. But now with this upcomming PTS all changed and I would say not even to the good side. Shurely there are many changings, mostly buffs and some nerfs, but for me that's not the point I mean. When you encounter a group of enemies and hitting them will lead to hitting yourself, that might be a nice feature or game changer to deal with. But when you realy can't see what to do or why somethings changed you can't react to that and that realy sucks. Furthermore some enemies ignore incomming damage from the false distance and when you start running away or going closer they will just do the same and keep the distance - and sorry - but thats a shame - nothing realistic nor super natural - it's just a switched game in too many aspects without the possibility to react on. It can be that some notings visual or accustics will help here or that playing in a group will help too - but in a solo game without note you are just hitting your enemies and he gets no harm while you die by yourself - that sucks.

[@coleramay7541]

Remember to allay kick people out of raids or incursions because that’s the way to play if that have no good builds because that’s the way to play soon

[@rogbful]

old favorites get nerfed and will be replaced by new ones that become viable. Rotating the favorites and creating hundreds of new builds. Content creators will have much to do now also LOL, The biggest thing they just did was to refresh the playability of the game. Builds are a huge part of what keep us busy in the game. We just got a reset of content. I love it, get tired of the same things all the time. Fresh blood.

[@Shademastermcc]

Dude every person was just using elmo-strikers it was so annoying. "I pull trigger, I shoot, I deploy shield" *slow clap* incredible work agent. There should be a trade off to using one build over the other, no 1 build should be the best.

[@bbb_zr]

Your position is fine if you already have what you wanted. If you haven’t, then this is just more suck. Items desired may no longer be viable… Someone at Ubisoft hates the players, and they continuously maintain the ability to exercise that hate. ❌

[@rogbful]

I don't have many things I want or have wanted, no Eagle Bearer , Regulus, No Ridgeways Pride, I could go on, but what difference does it make ? If I still wanted something and it just got nerfed, well then I don't care anymore cus it got nerfed. LOL, There were many more Items from Div 1 I never got either. You either enjoy playing or you don't. The game was supposed to stop providing content a year or 2 ago. They were going to let it go. But they decided to stick around a little more and give those of us that stayed some more content. But you not going to see huge teams of people working on this 6 y/o game. And when they do come to us with ideas half the people like them the other half doesn't. They cannot wait for us to get together on a direction. Some will walk away , some who got bored and left will come back at least to see what's going on. Evens out, and if it doesn't well it's a 6 year old game, they wont sink a lot into it. Anyway, I understand peoples passion 1 way or the other. Just pray we get Div 3 and we can start over one more TIME !! LOL Peace ✌

[@Shademastermcc]

@@rogbful This exactly. My friend got bored but he literally only plays with snipers. I have a proficiency mastery of 22 right now so I can say I've played a WIDE variety of gear sets and weapons. Some of them greatly needed a boost, they just weren't doing anything compared to others. They also weren't varied enough. I think the change to 1886 for example is great. Doubling down on what makes it good and exacerbating the bad parts. Same thing with what I'm seeing in the shotguns, just small tweaks to help vary the guns from each other. It's enough that if you are hardcore with that weapon you'll notice and it can be refreshing but if you're not familiar, it won't be that different anyway.

[@scatta99]

Heroic missions are long enough with the stupid bullet sponging enemies - so you farm like crazy for all the best gear to get the mission done faster. Now they want to nerf it all! 🤬 Result - the missions will take longer! THEY WILL BE STEALING My TIME !!!!!!!! If they wanted balancing they should just give extra buffs to everything else. I've invested 2346 hours in this game and a whole load of money in battle passes and cosmetics 💲💲💲 When Season 2 arrives, I'll be off playing First Descendent.

[@dloc5994]

Finally smarting up these are div 1 passive like we use to have on a character an the guns that are changing were automatiic they should have left them alone Div 1 rules👍

[@Spirallingdown23]

To days class is..... thank you Sir Kami

[@alejandrotoledo4298]

39:26 I don’t know if he mentions this later down the line in the video but now backfire at max stats only takes away 50% instead of 100% of your armor

[@Kamikazevondoom]

I did not mention that. Great call

[@SCreed-ep2ce]

Haha loving this. Bye bye meta boredom. Let the grinding continue!

[@bbb_zr]

Fully auto rifles is a plus. This seems broken though. This could lead to one shot kills with quite a few weapons.

[@Allegro_Giusto]

For me I like the semi auto rifles, more realistic to how assualt rifles are used like the LW M4 - single fire. It was my favourite. Yes I did just say realism in a sentence about div 2 😅

[@terryquijano2762]

Picaros: since they lowered the weapon damage to 10% that should mean we can roll 15% weapon core as the main attribute. It's not going to happen, but it should since it's the only gear piece that can only roll armor or skill core.

[@tommydee3765]

guys guys Scorpio will be fine you still getting al stack with one mag 😅

[@Ninjutsu2K]

I left TD2 when the seasonal characters was a thing to be implemented. Now, after this PTS is finished, I will probably return to the game since it looks like they didn’t nerf the White Death and Determined Talent. My sniper build should still be good. Once I got good with this build, I stopped using all the others because it’s too much fun.

[@NAnegawa]

Why! Why! Why! Wats da purpose except to punish the players that have been grinding. What do the devs hate their player base.

[@TonyPatterson-f3y]

This is squash thank you very much for the info

[@legionse7en448]

There's like, what maybe 3K players are still playing this game across all platforms and they nerfed the dog 💩 out of everything that's best in slot to force players players to play the way they want us to. Yeah, I'm quitting this game as of today. Nerfing a game that maybe only has 3K players left is utter B💩S!!!!

[@littletweeter1327]

im very excited for the perfect allegro buff. the invisible hand is already one of my favorite weapons, now itll be even crazier. also the kingbreaker, heartbreaker, spotter, catharsis build in pvp is gonna be funnyyyyy

[@woof3065]

The ACS got buffed and the .45 vector got nerfed... LMAO the ACS is what got by far higher dps on the heartbreaker build (and give you insta max stats)... Like I wasn't even running the .45 vector on heartbreaker anymore but an AR for the longer range option.. and now they buff the ACS even more...

[@Shademastermcc]

Heartbreaker was designed to be used with assault rifles and LMGs anyway so...maybe try hunter's fury or the new gear set?

[@woof3065]

@@Shademastermcc well you're not wrong.. but the meta was kinda vector + ACS for that and well.. the devs and their intentions ... It's like all theoretical as they can barely play their own game but hey.. I'm not complaining .. yet... ;-)

[@Shademastermcc]

@@woof3065 I'm sure he was just nervous. I know I would be if the entire community was going to see my live play of the game... But yeah I suppose the RPM alone overcame the lack of benefit from the 15% buff.

[@knellhurst]

​@Shademastermcc Is it just me, or does Heartbreaker kind of have a goldilocks zone for RPM in terms of stack buildup? When I used Vectors, it had awful stack buildup, seeming to ignore half of my 50ish rounds. An RPM of about 800ish built stacks normally. It also ignores the stack buildup of any finisher shotgun blasts, so when you one-tap in KSG Pummel chains like I've been doing, you're just like... losing damage. It's kind of weird. Heartbreaker: the game's buggiest set. Don't get me started on Bloodsucker messing up HB as well, oh my gosh... or Dare being incompatible with the laser pointer, wow. Anyway, those buffs look absolutely crazy, and I can't wait to make new builds. Pretty much every experimental build I made recently got buffed, big time. Now my ACS spam build (for fun only) with Ongoing Directive might actually have some serious teeth with Memento + Sadist. And look at all those attachments being actually tempting now. 3% headshot lol.... good to see them buffed. I wish my Ceska Intimidate vest would keep the 10% CHC, but it isn't ruined. Aaand my whole playgroup will enjoy the Bullet King buffs. & All hail automatic rifles. Now if only they'd do that for pistols... Overall very excited to start messing around/making builds again, and to see how good those experimental builds become.

[@woof3065]

@@knellhurst using headshots is a bit slower, because the first shot on the head will cause the pulse so after this you start to build stacks, there might also be a small delay for the pulse effect to trigger not sure. The linked laser pointer pulse wears off after like 6 seconds. You can stop aiming and re-aim (let go of rmb for a split second) for it to re-pulse the enemies. The real issue I have with heartbreaker though is that it doesn't build stacks when shooting tech, so not on enemy shields, mini tanks, drones, turrets, bomb / saw rc cars etc etc. (it does work on war hounds and large drones because those are their own npc's)

[@shaunmccunnell8844]

Ongoing D is my main set up so this'll help .....

[@harbofdoom]

Scabbard is what you put sword in a sheath or a holster

[@Shademastermcc]

I was just saying mods need to give more of a buff to make it more worth it. Now you can really feed into a gun's strengths or hopefully mitigate their weakness by changing the mods. 5% just doesn't matter that much. but 10?15? 30? Now we're talking.

[@sidvicious7890]

after all the nerfs good luck finding enough players for a countdown or an iron horse.

[@dtforever5430]

yeah i guess i will go and play wu kong. im tired of nerfs. Y'all have a good time.

[@J7mmy]

Lightweight M4 and LVOA-C!!!! Let’s gooooooo!!!!! 👏🏽🙌🏽

[@Tacticool03]

The SIG,referring to the CBQ

[@ArminVanLiberty]

What is the best way to make the most of the 5x event and earnt the most XP possible?

[@johnharrisonschulz]

Hardwired buff should do well against black tusk and a legendary.

[@TheBigBlueMarble]

Dear Ubisoft: I would like to suggest an alternative, or perhaps an addition, to your proposed approach to weapon balancing. From the outside, it appears that your general philosophy of weapon balancing is to decrease the difference between the best weapons and the worst weapons. Even if that is not the primary goal, when you nerf the best and buff the others, that is the result. This reduces the impact that a player's skills and play style have on their success and makes their weapon choice within a specific weapons group (e.g. Assault rifles) less important. I believe that most players want their gear choices, skills, and play style to be the dominant factor in that success, more so than just gear specifications. I have 4 specific suggestions and one more general - Do not implement range-based damage as one of the seasonal modifiers. You have simpler and better ways to implement this concept. - Dramatically increase the effects that stability and accuracy have on a weapon. Using an SMG (e.g. Ouroborus) you can do huge damage at 5m. At 25m that weapon should be spraying rounds all over the place with a VERY small hit rate. Currently, I can get about 70% of the Ouroborus' maximum damage at 25m. That is unreasonable. - Make Critical Hit Chance range based. If your SMG build has a 60% CHC, that should be the CHC value at 5m. At 25m the CHC for SMGs should be dramatically less. By implementing this plus an increase in the effects of accuracy and stability, you are making the players more responsible for the damage they do instead of the gear. - Damage dropoff should be linear or curved with max damage done at point blank range and reduced as range increases. A sudden dropoff in damage at a specific range really makes no sense. - One of the guiding principles of weapon design should be to maximize a player's ability to improve the effectiveness of a weapon through play style rather than simply by adding mods or getting better gear. One simple example of this is used in other popular games…accuracy and stability should be adjusted depending on the position of the player. In cover (on one knee) both accuracy and stability should be at their max levels. Standing should reduce them, and movement should dramatically reduce them. Instead of forcing slower movement while scoped in, just reduce accuracy and stability even further.

[@ersamson]

If Picaro's can be rolled Red Core, then it should be fine. 25% WD boost right?

[@spartan--6410]

Dark Winter will be nasty

[@amandaadler1860]

Omg a fully automatic ravenous?! That thing was killing my trigger finger back in the iron horse days….. I avoid rifles…..no more.

[@dylanmorgan3949]

I know people are gonna be but hurt that striker got nerfed but honesty with the buff heartbreaker is gonna be better then pre nerf striker cause at max striker gives 200% damage (getting dropped to 170 after nerf) heart breaker only does 130% at max (after buff) BUT it gives the 200% bonus armor and you can run the talent flatline to give you in total 150% damage bonus

[@saintlunaticv3602]

Looks like they've been peeking over Bunji's shoulder. Which is fine by me. Destiny 2's season modifier set up has been cookin' for many years now. And D2 gave you a menu option to make all guns full auto. Imitation is the greatest form of flatery.

[@brianstratton3116]

This is truly hilarious after seeing this. Guess instead of saying hey we doing something about the cheater. Let's damage control it n just say it's for balancing. Just as they did in The Division 1 cause they lost their player base. N literally this game is there. What makes div2 not as bad is there is alot more content to do then 1 DZ was div1s end game to me. N personally idk how some ppl sleep at night 😂

[@a3_vizualz]

We’re going rogue but at what cost?

[@Xboxgamerpro2024]

Now are these changes going to implement across all platforms cuz I'm on Xbox series X so I don't know if these are going to apply for just PC and PlayStation 5 users or are they going to go even to Xbox series X users and S users as well

[@jdanteb]

Strega with Negotiator's Dilemma

[@ahrayaahsh5904]

Brah lova c is back brah🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@eg8tank]

Gotta love the gear hoarding I did. Saving random weapons with max stats that will now come in handy.

[@BlessedUFC]

Where can i found the buffs and nerfs of this update?

[@SuaveBread]

So is Measured gonna be a thing or stick with optimist?

[@pepperman5752]

Well if nothing else, it will keep the content creators gainfully employed for a while making new vids. lol

[@custum18]

That was my first thought. Here comes a thousand new videos on new builds for the season.

[@xx_kahrizmah_xx6712]

Yes give me the lvoa and the lightweight m4 thank god!

[@Allegro_Giusto]

When are these changes looking to come in effect?

[@MyAbhyuday]

Lightweight m4 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Couldnt get more happier . 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@Allegro_Giusto]

Prefer it as a rifle :(

[@broughy23]

Ouro has been nerfed into the ground LOL

[@KarlDelaney99]

As it should

[@MarquesYoung-nm4hd]

I mean it was expected as I been saying since launch separate buffs and nerfs pve n pvp These patch notes are crazy The guns I use just got better I just have to hang up Scorpio and take out spas 12

[@bryonlittle3786]

Good😊

[@bryonlittle3786]

@@MarquesYoung-nm4hdfax!

[@KarlDelaney99]

@@MarquesYoung-nm4hd Scorpio only got a PVP nerf no?

[@kenyattakearney7346]

The MDR is back baby!! M4 LVOA ARE BACK BABY LETS GOOOO!!!

[@ibeenlikethis4years]

Bro the buff to the ace & eight and rifles being fully automatic😮‍💨

[@jmittsch]

Didn't they tell us not to nerf but buff gear? To bring bad gear up to match the good gear? Yet another lie... Liar, liar, pants on fire!

[@Deal-0-Matic]

Yea menace😂😂 don't get kicked for being a menace 😂😂

[@Deal-0-Matic]

Overall I'm happy,I see how u loose rpm and gain damage & crit on a lot of guns it's basically faster kill time so u don't need as much

[@Ichigo2513]

*throws St Elmos in the bin and dusts off Chamleon XD

[@Ichigo2513]

i can see Chamleon and Virtuoso being good together...maybe

[@clos1991j]

kinetic momentum yes i used this on my main build

[@kyleetaylor837]

Can't get rid of a damage glitch but take away the crafting table God forbid if we get God rolled mode

[@xknobi]

Right now there are few good gear and weapons I like to use, the rest are junk for me. After this TU22 Patch, there are only junks. Why play?

[@Shademastermcc]

That's on you. Everything is getting better balanced, how is that bad again?

[@xknobi]

@@Shademastermcc Good for you. Not for me, I am getting used to the set and maxed them out. I don't have more inventory space to try new sets. So anyway...

[@kennethhansen9731]

when will this patch get out do anyone know

[@DavidHughes-ey8dq]

Put determined on m1a dear god

[@Ranger1Six]

WTF! You grind to get your gear the way you want and play style and then they change everything!? They really are trying to kill the game!!

[@alucard4860]

Huh…. This may make me return……maybe. I would like to see a skill boost/rework but we all know why they can’t do that.