So much blue! Phenax vs Kamiz vs Toluz vs Hamza

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[@DarkEinherjar]

Max couldn't even pay for the Kraken, because he was supposed to have fed it to Sheoldred before the draw step... thanktully, it didn't matter because he wiped the board anyway.

[@jordanking4834]

He got the card draw from the monarch so it kind of mattered

[@andreasorphanou5469]

he literally attacked with it

[@sofer2230]

5:18 So... the table forgot about Sheoldred's trigger?

[@bluedog4248]

Yeah the nadir kraken should have been sacrificed

[@Bheckler24]

lol I keep seeing people miss her trigger in videos. Like if I hardcast Sheoldred you best believe I'm making sure I never miss a trigger.

[@cinosaurus]

came here to say that, didn't changed the game tho

[@j2c695]

You didn’t! Good thing you were here to change the entire game LOL

[@GnowNitsujL]

@@cinosaurus did it not? I feel like Max got massive card advantage due to him being the monarch for a while, since he used his Kraken that should have been sacced to Sheoldred

[@allobonjour9761]

I'm surprised in a way that not that many people build kamiz, especially since it kinda does everything. draws cards, makes your stuff bigger, gives doubles strike for those massive damage triggers, fills your graveyard if you wanna play reanimation stuff, and gives unblockable. it does so much for so little, and if you wanna be hated by your friend you can use proliferate and infect to kill the table pretty fast

[@pescettoculetto7732]

In my local game store there are 3 players with Kamiz and each one of them built It in a different direction! It's really cool :D

[@allobonjour9761]

@@pescettoculetto7732 yeah it has so much variety, I'll be building one myself because I had the precon and reanimation/damage trigger do sound really fun with him

[@scottricks1676]

She makes the perfect dungeon commander! How I brewed mine

[@jeffnorris211]

I’d throw in a mesmeric orb into Phenex and watch your opponents squirm lol. Maybe a self mill backup strategy with thassa’s oracle or lab man wouldn’t be a bad idea

[@wardious2562]

*Tips for Phenax from a Phenax player:* Your commander cares about big butts, use that to your advantage. Stuff like Mortivore, Charix and Consuming Aberration in tandem with untap cards like Intruder Alarm or Dramatic Scepter make milling your opponents a lot easier. You even have some really good 1 drops in the Crabs but I assume you run those automatically. I hope this helps you realize how much easier Phenax makes milling your opponents out and maybe even convince you to keep it. Definitely one of the coolest Dimir decks! Edit: You NEED as much hate for graveyards as you can get or you WILL lose, trust me 😅

[@patykaarplegos6282]

Do you have any more tips? I am building a phenix deck and would not mind some more tips.

[@TiltedHound]

@@patykaarplegos6282 Peer into the abyss with Underworld Dreams, Fleet Swallower, Fraying Sanity, Keening Stone, Crashing Drawbridge...all insane cards for Phenax, also, all Lazavs are great too! Been running Phenax since 2018.

[@dess8815]

@@patykaarplegos6282 undead alchmest is grave hate and gives bodies normaly when I play it it's game over because I have so many zombies or they just run out of cards and sir konrad is a monster there is also a hound card that does the same effect

[@DarkEinherjar]

I can see Phenax in the 99 of a Captain N'ghathrod deck... milling is fun, but doesn't really add to your board, while the captain turns that milling into board advantage.

[@BelieMyBurial]

Captain N'ghathrod is probably the better Commander out of the two, but if the goal is actually to win through mill, he isn't a great fit. I would wager that nine out of ten wins with the Cap are from beatdown and stealing permanents, rather than anything related to mill.

[@emarmy00]

So I bought the Kamiz precon, I did a simple budget friendly infect upgrade on it, and let me tell you...its a blast!!! it always plays different each game, I also run the esper ancient dragons for the double strike with kamiz, so much fun!!

[@brianpraamsma2607]

@11:55 Kamiz could have given sun titan double strike as long as it has lesser power. This is because the wording says choose instead of target.

[@daem0nfaust]

If you are going to continue playing aggro with your Phenax deck, that's fine and doable. You can keep the Eater of the Dead combo as a surprise endgame later on if you have board control. Personally I go all mill, because it's an Arcades deck that wants to hit 99 damage per player, and I keep a couple or so combos as finishers. Still love seeing this commander played, one of my earliest builds.

[@BelieMyBurial]

as someone who also has a Phenax deck, i find the only possible way to go with him is "go big or go home". basically really home into the toughness theme and play cards like Charix, Mortivore, Nighthowler, Wight of Precinct Six, anything that grows with graveyards or has a big butt, really. run some untap effects, including Intruder Alarm, of course. completely ignore all small, incremental types of mill - it's just doesn't matter enough in Commander and if anything helps opponents with gy strategies. and fill out the rest of the deck with removal/pillow fort effects, since as a mill player you're almost always alone at the table and incapable of making deals.

[@dess8815]

Dramatic reversal is awsome in the deck and if you have the scepter combo GGs

[@boonsaplenty3924]

Hey just a note for Em Jae, but the Toluz decklist linked has two Sangromancers in it

[@Machiroable]

4:45 Nick forgetting to create a spirit token from Alharu's death trigger.

[@ZackNoctisCloud]

Really miss seeing the starting hands

[@Zackeus1992]

Kamiz also makes the bigger creature unblockable and the smaller one doubke strike. So even if Kamiz *was* able to target sun titan on the last turn, it would have been unblockable while Kamiz was double strike. The 'lesser power' clause is what makes it 'balanced'.

[@gerardlegrange237]

Kamiz’ double strike part of the ability doesn’t target. So sun titan would have been able to get double strike if it had less power than kamiz.

[@Zackeus1992]

@@gerardlegrange237 oooooh~. Missed that. Very cool.

[@fnbits6484]

I have a atraxa +1+1 counters deck, and if no one board wipes, that’s pretty much a win for me but it’s still one of my more casual decks. I have hamza in there and apex devastor. So when I can make apex cost 7 less and then put out 4 creatures that all come in with like 10 counters it gets pretty ridiculous

[@mateusnoleto2544]

I began to hear toluz as to lose and for me Em Jae was playing "to lose" all along 🤣🤣🤣

[@quinoacowboy]

I hear Toluz lives in Toulouse, France and is a fervent Toulouse FC supporter.

[@daem0nfaust]

LOL same

[@travisbrueckner4457]

I ran wrexial for years as a mill deck. The secret is to play/search for consuming abbaration..mill to a land is such a faster way to mill. Copy that creature..mill to 2 lands. Well you only have 35 to 38 in your deck and you have 6 out..meaning I only need to trigger it much less.. plus if you are doing other inadvertent mill you might hit other lands which speeds up the count. Wrexial was just a value engine. Non threatening but definitely would get you a board wipe or other awesome value. Mill is primarily a control deck first then it wins. Rather then have a game plan execute said game plan.. people drawing cards and doing thier thing actually is your game plan other then them winning

[@DarkEinherjar]

5:19 SHUT UP, NAVI!!!

[@DarkLord7987]

@MTG Mudstah Shouldn't Max have sacrifised his Kraken to Sheoldred? He shouldn't have been Monarch that long. Tho is seems like you guys for got about the Monarch on turn 7 or 8.

[@elvatodelosbichos]

man, i play phenax as well, u need more interaction and pillowfort, and faster mill cards like traumatize etc and more combo mill i would like to play against your phenax

[@AidanWR]

I feel like your deck would be better with Mirko Vosk since you are running a more control oriented deck and don't really use Phenax's ability. You still run into the fact that you have to decide who to attack with him, but he mills faster than Phenax

[@warrenr4048]

Hey Muddstah.. I have a super fun Phenax Relentless rats build. It’s basically completely built around the Relentless Rats aspect so I can beat down, and just adding my commander changes gears to a mill deck.

[@dannyyang9181]

Can you post the link for the kamiz deck? I want to build a deck around Kamiz too

[@mauricebark5134]

It seems you're not actually playing a Phenax deck, but rather a mike&trike combo with necrotic devourer backup, lots of counterspell and bad reanimation with cards like phyrexian reclamation. All of that makes little sense with Phenax as a general. You could play Tree of Perdition and actually win the game, or even Charix ... Also you missed all Sheoldred triggers. Nick clearly won this game, his back must hurt from carrying the table and taking care of threats by himself lol

[@JammyLammy93]

Anyone know where Nick’s playmat comes from? I can’t find it anywhere.

[@j2c695]

Yeah yeah yeah

[@josephtarmey6020]

Advice I’d give you for milk is go self mill/flicker deck gyruda I used to run nax he’s better in the 99

[@freya002YT]

Fun

[@ptrekboxbreaks5198]

Your deck didn't seem to mill alot of cards if that is your goal. I'm brewing a Phenax edh mill now and just about every card has something to do with milling opponents or creatures gaining strength from cards in graveyards...just about all my creatures do some sorta mill or get power from milling. Just keep working at your deck! I hope mine plays well when it's finished. Now, it could've also just been the hand you had, we didn't see alot of the deck in this game