So You Think Prescription Retinol Is Better Than OTC "Retinols"?

[@TheCaluanda]

I am from Angola 🇦🇴 and I must say that I really appreciate you explaining all of this to us. Just the video I needed. Love you Nerida! You have no idea how much you have helped improve my skin and many of my clients skin. I love all the Rejuvi products I have tried so far.

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank you SO much:)) much love to you xoxo.

[@DaltonarchOwari]

This video is so good. Don’t listen to these crazy people in the comments. Hand on experience will take someone 1000 times farther in any field. You are so amazing for this 🤞🏼

[@bnnrose]

Thank you for mentioning Obagi...I have used it and stopped. I have always thought it was too strong but good to hear it from a pro!

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Yes, its very strong:))

[@sharroon7574]

Looking glamourous today!!🌹🌹

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

xoxo

[@SG-jm7np]

Nerida is the only person in the world that gets younger by the day

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

:))lol ox

[@bellabysuzanne]

PS- Love you and your videos!! I literally sit here and take notes. As an esthetician, this is food for my soul! And skin! haha

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

so great:)) thank you ox.

[@vanessacopland]

This was great and valuable information... i ate it up! thanks for the education . as a new upcoming aesthetician it really helped its knowledge I will never forget...

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank you so much! xoxo

[@soupnfresh]

Dr. Dray's skin comes to mind when talking about a person who uses prescription retinol. It looks rubbery and loose.

[@user-cq4wh2sg5i]

I love how passionate you get 🙏😊

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank you :))xoxo

[@petra6150]

I like the way you get emotional about false information around ingredients like retinols today. You are really into it and are missionary about skincare. Appreciate you for your passion. I learn a lot from you. Thank you

[@helenasavetheearth2642]

Hi Nerida I follow your channel and I am very grateful for all your teaching. I have recently lost my job due to the lock down. I have decided to set up as an alternative therapist after being away from beauty therapy for a few years. Could you recommend to me please a skin care line that is not too expensive. I would love to use Rejuvi but it's out of my price range at the moment. If you have any recommendations even something from the holistic range it would be great. Looking forward to hearing from you Helena

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@Jordansamual skin care line:)) xo

[@helenasavetheearth2642]

@@NeridaJoySkincare thank you

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@@helenasavetheearth2642 ox

[@bnnrose]

Nerida, can you make a video on bioflavanoids? I have only heard you talk about them and I know nothing about them...although I use the rejuvi bioflavanoid and I do believe it helps, just not exactly sure how or why :)

[@bellabysuzanne]

Ooh yes I was thinking that to!!

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

The feed the skin nutrients supporting sensitive skin and blood vessel walls:))

[@carolinebielby5924]

Would like video on thatx

[@stephaniecisneros1003]

@@NeridaJoySkincare please do a video.

[@soupnfresh]

You should ask a client who used prescription retinol for many years if you can share pictures of them on here.

[@concisekrevin3802]

Yes ,I do! Complex of retinoids may be less irritated while using, but a lot less effective that retinoic acid (bioactive form).

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

That is true..... but safer long term:)

[@lynndahle4865]

Love your passion & knowledge

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank you Lynnxo.

[@jessandverovaladez1172]

Question What product line do you use? I love the outcome of the clients skin.

[@sharroon7574]

I think she uses Rejuvi, I hope I spelled it correctly.

[@polovinka2]

It is a Rejuvi line

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

yes, rejuvi educateyourskin.com

[@soupnfresh]

Can we use over the counter retinol like olay retinol around the eyes?

[@momtomtse]

Funny enough I was just reading up on this today! Thanks for your input 😊

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank you!xo

[@josefinadouglas4391]

Excellent Nerida thanks

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

ox;)

[@manuelaherrera8921]

Sunday Riley A+ and Dr Dennis Gross OTC retinols have been my go tos for years! Tried Retin A a few times, way but too strong for me.

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@Angie That's unfortunate:((

[@charuarora1591]

Very useful information for me ma'am. Thank you ... love you

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank YOU! xo

[@Empoweredbeyoutee1]

Hi, Nerida! Thanks so much for this educational video! Besides the Rejuvi Retinol Serum, what other brands do you recommend? Thanks!

[@kalpanapattni9832]

Hi! You were very helpful with retinol and the different molecules . I was confused about retinol and which ones to go for. I’m in my fifty’s and I haven’t started using retinol coz of dry skin. Will definitely look at the Rejuvi range. Thank you ❤️

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank you so much! xoxo educateyourskin.com xoxo

[@kalpanapattni9832]

Nerida Joy Hi! Hope you are well. Was so glad that you had chance to respond. I have started using vit A complex twice a week. My skin is feeing dry after but it does gives smoothness and taking out seeds from old black heads. Any tips on what serums that would help with hydration. I have bought flavonoid and C complex. And Rejuvi b moisturiser. My main concern is age related pigmentations. Look forward to hear from you. 💗

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@@kalpanapattni9832 yes, use the flavonoid underneath the retinol...cut it bad if you are a little dry or layer a little b moist. over it. :)) keep your cleanser gentle....non foam:))xo

[@jessandverovaladez1172]

Hello. I left a message on retinoids video about products used in your salon. I have watch the videos you have loaded and love the product and your techniques. I wanted to know tye product line you use for cleanse...toner....moisturizers...etc. The ones In your videos. Thanks

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Rejuvi educateyourskin.com I go into more. Also you can email my office at [e-mail]

[@sandrabyrne84]

Nerida could you tell us more about bioflainoids please. Also i have a room in my house and Im considering taking the plunge and setting up a salon would you recommend the rejuvi products to start with. Thank you from Ireland

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Bioflavonids nurture and feed the skin. They support blood vessels and are great for sensitive skin:))

[@jessandverovaladez1172]

Very good advice

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank you:))

[@danaconnor8255]

Please share your skincare routine...AM and P M?

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

xo

[@tropicalgirl119]

Tnx a lot am learning a lot

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank YOU! ox

[@alisasukhotskaya8274]

Thank you for a thorough session! I am 38, just started to use retinol serum and was thinking of getting prescription since the common opinion is to start using RetinA early... so glad to hear the alternative POV on retinoids. Wondering what is you opinion of Retinaldehyde ?

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

I believe it is just a conversion form of retinoic acid. I think any of the vitamin a derivatives can be great or not....depending on the formulas and their delivery systems :))xoxo

[@regroovable]

Hi Nerida Joy, thank you for your passion and your advice. How we can get Rejuvi Skincare in Australia? I'm unable to find a website that will ship to me. What are your thoughts on retinaldehyde? In particular Medic8 Crystal Retinal which comes in different strengths.

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Hi Linda, They do have rejuvi in Australia i believe:)) I am not familiar on this brand to comment xo.

[@foziyajan766]

@@NeridaJoySkincare ur skin beautiful and spotless

[@kia.k3569]

Hi Nerida which serums are you referring to when you say layering before retinol?

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

rejuvi q flavonoid is the one i usually recommend educateyourskin.com

[@eded8673]

Thank you, you are doing great job educating us ;)

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Thank YOU!oxxo

[@debkane3739]

I had a hard time understanding her Rejuvi recommendation...anyone catch the name? Is it A Night Gel?

[@MOMOKINZ]

Rejuvi ‘a’ Retinyl Serum

[@Suesbeautik]

Yes A night gel. It's the complex

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Yes, the a night gel is a complex...retinyl serum is stronger:))

[@angiesaysno89]

I have a 75 yo lady come in every 4 weeks. She was on a great A, C and SPF with me (getting results too). A cosmetic doctor switched her to Obagi since I last saw her and in that small amount of time, her skin looks horribly thin. I can’t wax or exfoliate her anymore. She thinks it must be ‘the best’ because a Dr recommended it, but yes she’s definitely translucent and pink. If that’s only 3ish weeks! And SPF wasn’t accounted for in her new routine 😭

[@carlagee8562]

If you’re in your twenties, have tanned skin, and you want to use get rid of acne scars, should I use a vitamin c instead of retinol since it’s too early to start

[@sharroon7574]

I have scars too, mine are pitting I think how about you?

[@concisekrevin3802]

If it is pitted, you need to use retinol since vitamin c can't penetrate into those scars.

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@@concisekrevin3802 Yes, exactly:))

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Yes, vitamin C could be good for sure:))

[@Loufi303]

Used tretinoin for two decades and it eventually caused hypervitaminosis A which is no joke. ( dessicated mucuous membranes: nose mouth eyes stomach and intestines causing discomfort and indigestion. Also hair loss and panic attacks. Disappeared all after discontinuation. Took me years to discover the culprit. I got prescription for cystic acne). My skin was flawless but my health suffered. I used none for five yrs then tried again. Boom, within a few months same problems. Now i use retinols OTC (NEUTROGENA) to great effect without repercussions.

[@Loufi303]

So yes in my experience toxic indeed. Thanks for raising awareness 💜

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Yes, its a problem for so many. I wish you could all see what I have seen over the 42 years. Thank you for sharing your story:))xoxo

[@donttalktomeyoureannoying8736]

@@NeridaJoySkincare 42 years of experience? That is amazing! You are truly inspiring and blessed

[@SueRosalie]

false. You simply cannot get vitamin A toxicity from topical products like tretinoin. There is a huge amount of solid safety data for tretinoin now and it is not only safe to use long term, it helps protect your skin against sun damage and skin cancer. Yes it does boost collagen and make your skin thicker and stronger. Ms Joy's anecdote about her sister has nothing to do with the use of topical retinoids.

[@motherschild0127]

What is your opinion of retinaldeyde? It is one conversion away from retinoic acid! thanks

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

yes, depends on the formulas though:))

[@menalraju1159]

if we want to continue use prescription retinol how do you recommend we do it?

[@Mns_87]

As your prescribing physician, not a celebrity facialist online.

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@@Mns_87 this facialist has been working with the skin for 42 years hand on. I am not just an online facialist. I am an educator wanting to elevate my industry....Thank you

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Try as you were prescribed it.... see if that works for you?:)

[@donttalktomeyoureannoying8736]

@@Mns_87 my dermatologist sucks. Sometimes KZbin and Reddit actually helps

[@bellabysuzanne]

When you say not to use retinols around the eyes aside as a booster, are you meaning a prescription or even an otc eye cream with retinol in it? Do you find that when people with eczema and psoriasis that start to use larger molecule retinols dry out at first then experience healthy skin, since we know retinols are drying upon beginning use? Also, with people of those concerns, is it better to use larger molecule retinols vs smaller? Or just be certain it is a complex and monitor the skin? What about retinols on Asian skin? You said on dark skin it is great but I wonder on Asian skin. I always had acne growing up which led me into skin care. I hated going to the Dr because they never fixed the problem long term but only while using their prescriptions. I found out that way however, my skin loves retinols as well as glycolics yet I always react to salicylics. I am oily, sensitive and reactive but really got my acne under control except hormonal.

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Yes.... i do not prefer to use daily eye products with retinols...thins and already this area to much. Asian skin can use retinols, but not every day(PM)...its too much usually. Everyone is different though and products formulas.... all so different. So once you find something or a brand that works for you...stick with it:)xoxo

[@skinsciencebymira]

What a disappointing video. I expect more from an esthetician, honestly. Goes to show that it’s not just about your years in the field but continuing your education and staying on top of the research and speaking from an evidence based place, not anecdotal experience. Since this is a rant video, I don’t feel as bad rebutting this in similar fashion. Look, prescription retinoids aren’t for everyone. They can be too much for very sensitive skin. If you’re someone who can’t use tretinoin, OTC retinoids are the way to go. Retinol has been shown to not be as effective as retinoic acid but it’s still beneficial to the skin. I will say though that retinol esters are lacking evidence and the results wise have been underwhelming. If you were arguing for retinol or retinaldehyde, I would be much more on board. You mention the molecular weight of these other retinoids but make no mention of the fact that they cannot be used by the skin until they undergo an oxidation reaction and become retinoic acid. For retinol, the OH group has to oxidize to an aldehyde and then a carboxylic acid. For the other ones you’ve mentioned it’s a 3 step conversion. But they all have to oxidize to retinoic which is just as important if not more as their size. Retinol is actually a smaller molecule than tretinoin as well which defeats your argument a bit here. You also say lump adapelene with other prescription retinoids that penetrate deeper yet it actually has low cutaneous absorption, due to its high affinity to retinoic acid receptor γ which is primarily in the epidermis. “Adapalene has a very low percutaneous absorption once the drug has penetrated the stratum corneum, so that it becomes entrapped in the epidermis and hair follicle, which are targeted areas (Millikan 2000).” You mention how tretinoin thins the skin over and over, which seems to be your big argument against it. Yet it only makes the stratum corneum more compact... which is only .01 to .04 mm thick so really impossible to notice that thinning. Long term studies have found that tretinoin initially thickens the epidermis in the short term but then it returns to base line over time. Evidence for that here: academic.oup.com/asj/article/26/2/233/219113 And again here where they note: “The stratum corneum and epidermal thickness returned to the normal during the course of treatment.” www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2699641/ Broken capillaries are mentioned yet retinoids are often used to help repair broken capillaries funny though and Harvard University notes that: “Retinoids reduce fine lines and wrinkles by increasing the production of collagen. They also stimulate the production of new blood vessels in the skin, which improves skin color.” www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/do-retinoids-really-reduce-wrinkles I see your single anecdotal experience mentioned often as a reason to use OTC retinoids instead but that’s unreliable. You’re a single person sharing your very subjective experience and we don’t know what your skin would have looked at if you’d used tretinoin instead or even if you’d used nothing instead. What happened to your sister is very unfortunate and goes to show that someone suggesting supplements who isn’t a doctor can be very risky. But both your examples with your sister and Accutane involve oral Vit A which is known to be dangerous when improperly used. Tretinoin has been used since the 1970s and has decades of research behind its efficacy and safety so an anecdotal experience or two, one of which isn’t even topical Vit A, doesn’t do much for me. You say we don’t realize yet what tretinoin will do and we will be stuck with thin skin.... yes we do, it’s called decides of research. No evidence has found that it thins the skin long term. This is one of many other research articles but this year long study found: “Treatment of photodamaged skin with tretinoin produced an 80 percent increase in collagen I formation, as compared with a 14 percent decrease in collagen formation with the use of vehicle alone.” www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199308193290803 Wow, not only implying a very short esthetician program makes you more knowledgeable than a derm but shading your skin. Very unprofessional. Re: “Blue light from your computer” being damaging to your skin has been debunked and there wasn’t really evidence behind it anyway. You’d need about 40 J/cm² of light to damage the skin and even the worst case scenario studies would require you sitting in front of a screen for days straight. Educator Michelle from Lab Muffin Beauty Science who has a PhD in biochemistry explains it well here: labmuffin.com/blue-light-computers-phones-damage-skin/ For anti aging, they’ve found that lower doses of tretinoin are equally effect and it’s really only acne where you need those high doses. One of those studies is linked above. So if you stick to a lower strength at actually get through the acclimation period and follow your doctor’s recommendations of using the tretinoin after moisturizer to buffer, skipping other irritating actives and exfoliants, using a low PH non foaming cream cleanser, using skin barrier friendly ingredients like niacinamide and ceramides, etc then you won’t have the tiny shiny look you can get from dehydration and impaired barrier function from what’s essentially over exfoliation long term. It will pass once your skin acclimates. Exactly, it’s a prescription drug so it’s undergone decade of clinical trials and other long term studies on its safety. That’s how we know it’s not toxic like you claim. Other topical OTC retinoids would also then be toxic since they’re being converted to retinoic acid too. Stopped at the 21 minute mark after you started pushing the product you sell and it all suddenly became clear. Thankfully most estheticians aren’t like this but the few that speak negatively on both drugstore and prescription skincare since they can’t sell and profit off either disappoint me. Not mad or trying to be overly bitchy btw, just responding to a rant with a rant and wanted to provide actual evidence for anyone who cares to learn more. Don’t blindly listen to someone, look at the evidence and see if it supports their argument. Edit: Edit: plenty of treatments thicken the skin. “All cases evidenced epithelium thickening, decrease in melanin pigmentation and densification of upper dermis collagen (p = 0.03).” bmcdermatol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12895-017-0066-5

[@concisekrevin3802]

Mira Parker She has worked hand on for 41 years, I think she told a little misinformation, but the complex of retinoids really work like time releasing, it is better to work with the complex than a pure high concentrated prescription.

[@alezandradavila2581]

She’s also going off her experience with clients and the disasters she seen with it

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Mira, thank you for taking the time to share. Contact Dr Marc Mani ...a facial plastic to hear what he says about long term prescription retinol use.

[@alezandradavila2581]

Nerida Joy I am in esthetics school nereida I saw it with my own eyes it’s truly awful you see capillaries and it’s irreversible other conditions are like acne but u could see thru the skin basically lol

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@@alezandradavila2581 Yes, long term prescription strength is a problem:))

[@Mns_87]

This is the exact opposite of Dr. Dray's advice and she is a Board certified derm..

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

Hahaha i guess that makes her right then:)

[@ellashaye2289]

I have went to dermatologists since I was in middle school over my acne. I’ve done two rounds of accutane daily antibiotics and I have been using prescription retinol for years, but nothing EVER helped my skin but Nerida’s videos. I’m 27 and, for the first time since puberty, I’m acne free so I’ll be taking her advice 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

@@ellashaye2289 Thank you Ella for sharing your story. SO SO happy your skin is better:)xo

[@cashmerehazel21]

It's a case of basing your trust on someone who relies on books and theories vs someone who relies on 42 years hands-on experience dealing with 100,000+ people.

[@Fallenangle9]

@@cashmerehazel21 I have to agree. I would trust an esty over a derm any day regarding getting healthy glowing skin. It just makes since the dr. Just throws out prescription and don’t even look at the skin closely let alone under the magnified light

[@astridanayalation4512]

If you mean over the counter like at Walmart and such. Then yes.

[@NeridaJoySkincare]

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[@SueRosalie]

Stop conflating tretinoin and adapalene with oral accutane. We know that accutane cannot be used in pregnancy; the advice to not use prescription topical retinoids in pregnancy is simply because the safety has not been established, so it is a precaution.

[@soupnfresh]

Not true. Go ahead and take prescription retinol while pregnant. Your baby is going to come out unhealthy.