So, you want a Byrna or an FSC/TCP or a TiPx/TPR. Things to consider

[@Billfish57]

It all depends on what you are buying these for. The Byrna works the best for me because I don't want to take anything apart and hope it still is reliable as the factory build and It's small enough to fit in my Lexus GS glove box that is small and couldn't hold any of these others, also, I prefer the power of the Byrna as it is because I would like to shoot a close bad guy in the throat or head if I felt I needed to and I don't want any more power hitting them at close range in soft tissue. It can do plenty of damage as is. I would worry about those stronger guns possible hurting someone permanently and that's not the idea of the thing. I have the choice of using a real gun if necessary, so I prefer the power where it is and the size right where it is so it can stay in my car and sometimes my briefcase, those other guns are way too big for me to use. I think Byrna hit the sweat spot for now. These days, it's easier to lose all your life savings to lawyers than to street thugs and I don't want to pay either group a cent. I feel much better with a non lethal option like alternating pepper balls and hard plastic and only using a real gun as a last resort.

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Well, I'll sell you an ultimate Byrna package then, if you need another, lol.

[@swamivandermerwe]

Hope your car and glove box is not parked in sun or hot as the heat can rupture a C02 cartridge, just tuck the byrna in your pants and wea a t shirt over. Another less lethal dude had left a co2 cart in his car, he used it and it exploded in his hand...

[@chriszimmerman9737]

@@swamivandermerwe Jesus Christ lol. Was he okay?

[@juicyfruit6311]

It's such a twisted tale with these guns. Tippmann made the Mission line for the less lethal market. One of the makers for the pepper ammo was, I believe, Byrna in South Africa. Pepperball licensed the Mission MLR and Tippmann 98. Byrna bought the Mission line and started selling the TMC as their Mission rifle. Meanwhile, Sabre and Salt Supply still sell the TiPX/TPR under their brand. So, the TiPX is the Mission TPR/Salt/Sabre. The Tippmann TMC is the Mission/Byrna Carbine. The Tippmann Custom 98 is the Pepperball FTC while the Mission MLR is the Pepperball TAC SF. Meanwhile, these 2 products are in Byrna's Mission product line video.

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Thank you for that breakdown. Yeah I definitely find it interesting how that all this is working, lol

[@Bigonewsnetwork808]

i dissagree bcause the tippman was always so high i just stuck to pellet and bb with high fps for less lethal being a young black man raised by a single mother , i had to get something so if you ask me daisy crossman umarex made the mission line . or even th paintball gun market or the first person to make breaker balls but tippx dont get my vote for anything but being too big and too expensive . and ive been looking around and buying asweell as staying up on the current air powered weapons for over 2 decades .

[@ahilbilyredneksopinion]

Life saver vid.i couldnt figger out witch of three of them options i wanted and didnt even consider the forth.thanks bud

[@smokingunclefrank6037]

That's why I skipped the Byrna TIPX & FSC are my choice have both and a M17 in the mail owe and lets not forget the T8.1

[@stevenmeansphotography3861]

I want the m 17 but you can’t use the 88gm co2

[@smokingunclefrank6037]

@@stevenmeansphotography3861 owe I think there's a way you can check out Less lethal for dummies

[@tuckerdelay9656]

Wish I woulda watched this before I bought my byrna

[@nissanissa1136]

which would be the best for detering wildlife safely? Got to keep some bobcats away from my chickens

[@everythingsucks6086]

I just got the "byrna sd" only because you can fire it right away, like a pistol, Instead of needing to screw in the co2. Other than that, I really like how the "FSC" keeps a fresh co2 in each magazine.

[@stevenmeansphotography3861]

No power

[@pastori70]

I’m kind of between the HDX68 40J and FSC for homedefence. HDX68 has good things like: + Power

[@yabadabadude5124]

What did you end up going with?

[@MadMart71]

Hey Bud, I live in the UK no need to say more,So unfortunately I believe that we can only have a 16 Joules HDX, now that won’t stop me from buying one,as if 16 rounds of How should I put it? Let’s say some questionable projectiles,there is always the what is referred to as a tactical,attachment to the barrels end ,with it’s very jagged edges, I think that after 16 suspicious projectiles & the son of a bitch still isn’t getting the message,then you can Tactfully rearrange their face with the (Flash Guard?) what are your thoughts?

[@s_t_r_a_y_e_d]

I went with TiPX cause I also want to play paintball, there's so much aftermarket for the TiPX you can have a highly competitive woodsball/recball marker that also pulls double duty for less lethal home defense.

[@runerebel8441]

Nice video Daniel. Did you change or moddify the internals on the TiPX? Thought it wouldnt give more than 18 joule max just by screwing in the velocity screw.Getting 30 joule from it sounds great.

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Yeah, it has the high speed kit or whatever it's called. I may have high balled that nuber, lol. I just got 24 out of it as I'm writing this. But, that's with a 686 barrel firing 683 balls, so pretty sure I can hit close to that anyway. I'll have to do a tuning video on it now, lol

[@runerebel8441]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics A tuning video would be great :) Cheers my friend :)

[@VanchaMarcH]

I’m in the UK and can only get the TIPx or the FSC. What would you suggest to get if I want to get one and just keep it completely stock, with no upgrades or mods. I’m guessing the FSC?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Probably, but would not want to keep either stock if at all possible

[@VanchaMarcH]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics unfortunately. From what I can see, it’s impossible to get mods for the FSC in UK. Can’t even find the t8.1 mags anywhere

[@-Cutz-]

From this video id want the byrna cuz the size but ive seen too many videos the fsc is the strongest but its so big like the tipmamx but they have a smaller version too which i dont see much in youtube.

[@smokingunclefrank6037]

Update Tipx Byrna SD FSC & TCP I prefer co2 for my FSC & TCP that HP thing is a pain although the TIPX works great with HPA got a kit from MCS that has it like an SBR love that owe and lets not forget the M17 Don't come un invited to my house

[@eriknelson2559]

Someone said the Byrna can load an extra +1 by inserting the magazine, chambering the first ball, removing the mag, adding back one more ball, reinserting the mag

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Yeah

[@ConnersvilleBarber]

Just the video I needed to see! I’m dreaming about the fsc or pepperball tcp carbine “venom” edition. Could go the other way and do “carnage” 😎

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Either way is a win😈

[@NuisancePanda]

What about the Grinburg Gavel?

[@fredsilva7274]

Not a fan of the Bryna either because it doesn't play well with other brand ammo. Bought a TIPX instead because of the options for accessories and ammo.

[@PJ-ee5mc]

Great video but you never really got into any details on the tricked-out FSC, like the air supply and that long barrel that looked like a suppressor.

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

I've done about 1500 less lethal videos since this old one. I go into A LOT of that in others. Check em out, and thanks!

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

I've done about 1500 less lethal videos since this old one. I go into A LOT of that in others. Check em out, and thanks!

[@ReefingBlunts]

@DK Spencer Custom Kinetics What is that suppressor a mock suppressor or is it supposed to be functional? And what is that on the back if the FSC? Is it a compressor does it give you more power? Like for home defense. What about the sight is it made specifically for FSC. Is the FSC with the attachments on it the paintball or pepperball version?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Mock. When's the screw on the end of the barrel and actually make it longer give you more power as long as the barrel is shorter than 14in ones that slip over the barrel don't do anything

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

If it's an FSC it's a paintball gun originally if it's a TCP it's originally a pepper ball or less lethal gun to start with. Fscu can add the air attachment to the back but you can't do that to the TCP

[@BALrider1Steve]

I have a kingman training eraser .45 paintball pistol back in the day they still used today or what?

[@aubreygraham5694]

Between tipx and first strike overall what would you say is the best as far as defense and gadgets and attachments to put on.

[@aubreygraham5694]

And power.

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

First Strike is way better. Tipx is good, but First Strike is awesome. More reliable, More compact, has more power by like 10 joules. The sights suck on the tipx and rock on the first strike. #1 is a light, check out my other videos about why that is the most important. A laser if you want it. I love the HPA setup with a tank and buttstock and then you have to have the sight rail which is cool anyway. I cut mine down to only be big enough to sit under a red dot. They are full length from the factory.

[@makycaris4672]

Very important information to be top on my list I would have to say the FSC it looks like it can do serious damage if hit With a riot all also HDr is one that’s nasty Can kaboom hard - what’s the highest FPS the FSC can produce on the set screw I heard it’s insane

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

I'm hitting 42 joules, so you're looking 500fps with a 3.7g ball. Yeah, it's impressive. And the HPA one is just fun fun fun

[@makycaris4672]

Is the FSC the same as Tcp gun

[@apb7033]

@@makycaris4672 Pretty much the same. Difference is TCP has better barrel stock and no pressure relief valve. However the fsc can be converted to compressed air setup and TCP cant be.

[@makycaris4672]

Thanks Dan I think gonna keep it looks top notch quality for doing what’s meant for was gonna buy the FSC but they typically the same other than the attachment u mentioned / where is this good to shoot ? In trails parks forests railroads other than shooting gallery

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

@@makycaris4672 I'll be honest buddy they are pretty doggone loud. I live in the country so I don't really have to worry about it, but in a city you might be better off doing it inside as long as your neighbors know what's going on and you're cool with it and don't call the cops. But I think most people that would see you in a public place would not differentiate it from a real gun, and it is quite loud as I said. So I could definitely see it leading to some issues in the wrong places

[@christopherpike3073]

Great video Thanks for the info !!

[@orangemike802]

Question, Daniel, I was told that TCP is more powerful than FSC. Based on built and internals..TCP was said to be more for higher velocity while FSC is for regular paintball and things would start to break if we crank things up...what is the real deal here...should I return my FSC and shop for TCP instead?

[@slimdunkin117]

No they’re the same..to get more velocity from the fsc u can upgrade the o ring..they’re the same launcher

[@stevenmeansphotography3861]

Not true both same gun but I have yet to see the tcp get the fps of the fsc

[@andrewsprague8444]

@@stevenmeansphotography3861 tipx is the same as the original tippmann paintb all model so is the tcr originally by tippmann. by the way has the same internals as the tipx. its all a rebrand scam. ive literally compared them side by side. and you can get a first strike breech for 30 for the tipx. thats the only difference with tcr it has the breech pre installed. as far as fsc was originaly Tiberius and before the fsc they had the t8, t8.1 and t9. the mission whatever rifle is juszt a rebranded tmc with the same internals as the original tippmann 98. calling the less lethal and reselling as a different brand with a huge price increase doesn't change what they really are. paintball guns...

[@miguelmendez4718]

If I install the remote line adapter on my tipx can I still use my co2 cartridge when I’m not using my hpa tank?

[@phantomoftheopera8072]

Thanks guy cool video

[@Save-A-DogAps]

You need to use an Actual Pepperball TCP ! The ONLY actually paintball gun is the FIRST STRIKE FSC The UPGRADED MODEL of the FIRST STRIKE is the Pepperball TCP - The TCP can NOT shoot Paintball. The spring is Too strong - Pepperball OR Rubber bullet The FIRST STRIKE upgraded the FSC for law enforcement. And the TCP is Stronger then the FSC The FSC is the TOY verison of the TCP Thats why my AGENCY and Police dont carry the FSC we only carry the TCP

[@chrisalarcon7013]

Did you ever end up coloring your yellow TCP black?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

I didn't color it I just changed out the pieces. It's a two-tone black and tan now

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Actually I'll post a video what it looks like now stand by

[@chrisalarcon7013]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics Saw the new vid and liked it but still a little unclear as to how you change the color of your TCP from yellow to black if you could please help me shed some light on this thank you

[@k9psychologist]

what increase in power for a Byrna HD with the 12G conversion and is it worth it?

[@NorthwestAdventurerNWA]

Just subbed. Keep up the informative videos. Thanks, NWA

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Thanks!! Appreciated

[@DevinNixonDavis]

What’s the latter under the first strike on the to left

[@theblackspartan__]

Where did you get can stock I can’t find it

[@makycaris4672]

I kinda new to this yiu think the TPc is top notch quality and what is the highest joules can produce other than factory Setting haven’t messed with it I got the pepperball version

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Check out PSI defense channel then you can show you how to get over 40

[@makycaris4672]

Daaaaamn that’s unreal 40 joules that will rupture skin bust bone 🍖

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

@@makycaris4672 yeah I think I was hitting 42 with mine the last time I shot it

[@makycaris4672]

That’s insane compared to a farting byrna 10-15 😆

[@democracyornothing4584]

Hello, I have seen so many videos and I don't know which one to buy. Which one do you recommend?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Of mine or just in general? 🤣.

[@democracyornothing4584]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics thanks for answering. Whatever it is, I want a self-defense pistol with pepper spray, non-lethal and I don't know which one to buy, what do you think of the first strike pistol, it is supposedly good and powerful. Thank you for your response and opinion. I am completely ignorant on the subject.

[@Save-A-DogAps]

I know that FIRST STRIKE also MAKES PEPPERBALL line They Already had thr FCS. but for LAW ENFORCEMENT they wanted a little stornger 1. So FIRST STRIKE made the PEPPERBALL TCP ' Diference it PEPPERBALL TCP - ** CAN NOT Shoot Paint ball ever. It is Too strong. Made for Pepperball or RUBBER BULLET only My agency has 3 of them and we have a VULCAN M17 !! best rifle I wish you had a FIRST STRIKE FSC and a PEPPERBALL TCP Instead of 2 FSCs

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

I have 9 FSC and a TCP now. I love the TCP, it's black and tan

[@xpy1]

what light is that on the fsc

[@faithfamilyfriendsforever6777]

FSC ALL THE WAY

[@slimdunkin117]

Wouldn’t it make sense to focus on chemical irritant projectiles..in winter clothing how well would these even hit..seems more logical to focus on some irritants against people

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

I think you need to watch some more of my videos and see how powerful the fscs are before you say that. When I've got them that are shooting through copper chef skillets like their butter I don't think a jacket's going to much stop them. I don't focus on chemical stuff because first time I ever tried to use one in training as soon as it hit the target the wind immediately blew it away and I realized right then I was going to mess with kinetics.

[@chriszimmerman9737]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics after a lot of my own stress testing, research and ammo comparisons. I decided to go with kinetics as well. Pepper balls just don’t seem nearly as practical as kinetics. That said my tests have all been in .43.even the smaller kinetic rounds can do some nasty damage up close.

[@jamesdspaderf2883]

@@chriszimmerman9737 I wonder about the 'nasty damage'. Reliant on a concept of 'pain aversion' I wonder how effective on an intruder who might be jacked up on adrenaline (and/or drugs). How effective would it be in such circumstances.

[@chriszimmerman9737]

@@jamesdspaderf2883 IMO, as someone in recovery and clean for three years at this point. People WAY over worry about the drug factor. Unless you live in a neighborhood with bad drug problems, obviously. If that’s not you, you’re probably worrying about a situation that will never happen. A vast majority of the robberies, break ins, and bullshit I saw while ripping and running was usually done by an acquaintance. Also, they tend to look for easy victims, not hard targets. All this said, in America I wouldn’t rely on anything less than a firearm for home defense. Even if I plan to primarily use less lethal out in public.

[@FreeStateLessLethal-zd6bs]

What is the light you have on the co2 FSC?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

That's an ADE laser actually

[@FreeStateLessLethal-zd6bs]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics I’m looking for a light that will fit on the tiny rail of the FSC. Any recommendations?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

@@FreeStateLessLethal-zd6bs Nope, and I've tried a lot. Your can flip the base on an Olight Valkyrie Mini and it will work but don't look great

[@bridgerbridger2773]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics any other laser options you would recommend at the same price as the ADE?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

@@bridgerbridger2773 At the same price, I have not tested many others. The Crimson Trace is more expensive but a bit better.

[@stangreen4134]

Dope video bud.

[@thecryptoendgame]

Great video

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Thanks!!

[@SoLoCruizer]

Great video there ahhhhhh doc how's that roscoe fiddy cal on eBay it's only 150 bucks doc whaddy Ya think?

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

Never had one, but I think the HDR68 would be best instead

[@malefanematsie3890]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics My point exactly I'm glad you touched this point. I'm torn between this TCP and HDR68 16j.Any brief analysis will be appreciated like you did with fsc and TCP else where in this comments . Thanks 🙏

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

@@malefanematsie3890 well this is where I'm at with the HDR68 I've quit selling them because I'm losing too much money having to replace people's because they break all the time when you modify them. Now as far as just a 16 J version, I feel like that would be good but I'm not had my hands on one that way.

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

@@malefanematsie3890 One big thing to consider is that you can get replacement parts for anything in the FSC's or TCPs and you can't buy hardly any individual replacement parts for the HDRs at least not the ones that break

[@malefanematsie3890]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics Now that's what I call an honest feedback from the guru himself. Don't worry your excellent hand work says it all. Thanks for your prompt response, I can now make an informed decision 🙏🙏

[@ckmalecki4401]

Lequel tu préfères ???

[@jeffliles1209]

Anything but a byrna, I have byrna and TCP and fsc , the byrna is junk not reliable at all

[@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics]

I have 4 Byrnas and never had one fail. The general consensus is that they're reliable but just horribly underpowered so if you don't think they're reliable you definitely don't want to get an FSC 😂

[@jeffliles1209]

@@DKSpencerNon-FirearmBallistics I've had no trouble with the TCP or fsc and plenty of power