So You Want an Acura/Honda NSX

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One of THE most iconic JDM legends. The Acura/Honda NSX. Today Alex goes over how these cars started and why they are so sought after today. From taking it to the track, to admiring its gorgeous lines, does this car have it all? Would you pay $50k for a 30+ year old car? Comment below!
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So You Want is a series dedicated to talking about all things automotive. From engine swaps to cars such as the Toyota Supra, Mazda RX-7, Honda S2000, Subaru WRX, and many more. Strap in as Alex gives you the lowdown on what to expect if you are looking at owning, working on, or modifying any of these cars.
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[@FitmentIndustries]

What's your thoughts on the second gen NSX? Does it even compare to the first gen legend? Comment below! Also, pick up your shirt to get entered to win coilovers before it's to late! www.fitmentindustries.com/giveaway

[@brisaaardzzz]

This is the first time i entered a giveaway, i hope i win 🥺😭 plus the shirt is dope af lol

[@FitmentIndustries]

Best of luck! 🙏 Thanks for the support!

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

I'm hearing lots of good things about the thing. As a 40 year old car guy I don't know if my age goes against me or not, I don't know if it's because of nostalgia or not but hands down it doesn't compare to the first gen. If I had 150k to spend without consequence between the 2 id get the first gen and drive it on weekends.

[@diddy2612]

I have a 197k mile fully modded 1995 nsx and I’ll gladly keep it over getting a 2nd gen nsx

[@sarahkaplan6648]

The new "nsx" is a not a real NSX. It lost its way its not light no manual and no manual. I would trade my beloved rx7 and my 81 celica gt for a 1991 silver nsx

[@sounddrivenofficial]

Sees title Me: Dont do that, dont give me hope

[@honeybadger1755]

Sound Driven Official if I stop eating, and breathing, and driving, and just live in my car for the next 4 years, also I’d have to abandon my family, just too much over head cost, then finally I could afford one.

[@PutinIsKing]

@@honeybadger1755 sure why not, get your Honda !

[@honeybadger1755]

Darko Hugo that Honda will serve up a hot gapperoni and cheese pizza all day

[@murdockjmatt]

@@honeybadger1755 these gappreciation comments kill me 😂

[@isuckatvideogamez6276]

The NSX is like that loyal girl you want but can't have

[@adnaanjaunnoo]

69 likes ..leave that there

[@whois_5t3v3]

😩 Unfortunately A truer word hasn’t been spoken

[@ibrahimadwan4328]

Why bro😂

[@kwitwerikok8o863]

Finally got a good one. 92 with 21,280 miles ,17,000 when I got it 11 years ago . Near show room condition. It's my understanding that only 18,000 first gen were made and 9000 went to USA. It's the only car in 50+years of owning cars that has significantly increased in value.

[@olsianbimaj6017]

Honda nsx is like a ferrari with out the **cockyness**

[@davidperezz7248]

Used to be

[@TM450FI]

And 2 cilinders missing 😂

[@threadworm437]

@@TM450FI and still smokes Ferraris of its era around the track

[@TM450FI]

@@threadworm437 keep dreaming boy 😂

[@threadworm437]

@@TM450FI kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJS5o56lnLmCd9U LOL

[@SoHoDon_718]

So you want a nsx? Well you better make 120k a year 😂

[@NghihuuRua]

I was only making 50k a year when I bought mine. Just be smart with your money.

[@tony_5156]

Jonathan Nguyen I have a tough time believing that. You’ll be having dollar store meals and walking to work to break almost even maybe even need a- (eeugggh)...a loan. Oh lord and the credit score too

[@NghihuuRua]

Well of course I got a loan, but I still paid it off in 3 years. I had a lot of money saved for 4 years or so. I also bought my house the month after buying my NSX at age 26. It's possible. I am single, so I make simple foods that do not cost a lot and I already had a car paid off 4 years earlier. I now have 6 cars and only owe money on one. Follow me on IG: @Stikyryce if you wanna see my #DailyBeaterNSX and other cars.

[@bosneb]

@@NghihuuRua You were only making 50k a year when you bought a 50k car... does not sound like being smart with money to me. If any of this is true I suspect you have credit at the bank of mummy and daddy.

[@NghihuuRua]

@@bosneb if you read my post that is (I think) 2 below this one, you'd know that I bought mine wrecked on eBay for only $15k and spent $3k fixing it back up. Don't assume that some car enthusiasts buy their cars and don't build them. Maybe you or your crowd does, but I don't. You can find a decent one for $35-40k. A $50k is for a low mileage pristine NSX, plus I bought mine at the lowest value back in (from 2008 to) 2010 where an average one was around $30k before the new NSX was announced. Do some research and you'll know how and when to buy.

[@barryrodgers3039]

I wanted an NSX since high school and got one last year (2000 NSX-T). It is an amazing car to own. I don't daily it because I don't trust rush hour traffic and parking. However it is a car that you will make time to drive every week.

[@robertsullivan4773]

Just the was I've treated my 97 the last 24 year's. It has 66k on it.

[@Powk-mz1cp]

One of the most beautiful cars ever made

[@islamicsalami7208]

Congrats on getting that! The picture you have of it is beautiful. Never sell that thing!

[@aaaleadbattery5522]

"so you want an mr2"

[@bioujee841]

^ Please

[@evanspayen133]

“So you want to snap oversteer”

[@Careswell]

You guys have not entered the realm of fear until driving a SW20 with slicks in the wet (no abs or traction control)

[@negativeindustrial]

Ed Andrews Bro! I just drove my MR2T 52 miles on slicks in a surprise rain storm in Dallas 2-3 days ago. I had an appointment to get new tires on the back that afternoon. It was pitch black and on the 30 freeway the whole way to Fort Worth. Holy shit, talk about white knuckles. Good thing they were 275wide!

[@whats55]

YES PLEASE

[@ahmadmorrow2749]

SO YOU CANT AFFORD NO TIME SOON😂

[@wydbro1331]

D;

[@MidnightClubStillCancelledSoz]

Basically made Ferrari sit down

[@forbiddenapocrypha-thereca2367]

*fangirl

[@ethangiachino]

"So you want every Honda bois dream car, me included

[@dlozza2000]

its yeshua not jesus so get over it yeah your opinion is irrelevant

[@savethedsms2449]

ok david

[@hondafan20111]

This is my dream car. They look so damn sweet even to this day.

[@juic3thetitan]

“The free version of a window” lmao!!!!

[@mrcancan18]

On my lunch break watching this video at taco bell regretting every moment of biting this soft taco 😂

[@mjmunoz-duncan9664]

kevin Henderson Ahhhh I watch this and Robbies channel at tbell too

[@FitmentIndustries]

🌮

[@shyfty006]

Same 😂

[@BMXunion1]

🌮🌮

[@thegiovannimauro]

@@mjmunoz-duncan9664 Robbie's the goat

[@lonelydriver1421]

When I was a kid, I had an NSX poster (IIRC a BFGoodrich tire advertisement back in the 90s) and always imagined myself growing up and owning one. Now a struggling adult, and spending my break time watching your new episode, you just awoken that nostalgia that i've been ignoring all these years. When you mentioned that this car was turning 30 years old, it felt like it hit me dearly. Back when I had pure innocence being a careless kid, and I had this as a "goal" when I grow up. All these memories, because of this. Because of a car. Thank you guys, keep it up!

[@zzanxoxo]

Don’t give up you can still get it !!!

[@arwencale]

In the same ame boat as you @lonely driver.

[@CykPykMyk]

There is never to late for anything

[@thatzguy3862]

"So you want a Datsun Z" I DEMAND IT... ok that was mean, I apologize. Edit: Holy hell! 100 likes?!

[@yepyepyepyep1407]

The datsun S30?

[@matthewcarter660]

240z 🥺 280z 🥺 most beautiful cars on earth

[@thatzguy3862]

@@yepyepyepyep1407 yup, S30

[@yepyepyepyep1407]

Matthew Carter yep it’s amazing especially with a wide body kit and lowered a few inches imo

[@yepyepyepyep1407]

That Z Guy a bunch of people don’t know the model number just it’s motor designation

[@defyingtheodds1987]

Technically I owned one, for about a month. Drove it once. Bought it for a deal for about 18 k. Had 200k miles. Needed new coil packs, spark plugs, electrical issues , and paint job. But it was awesome. Everybody would stare. It’s gone now 😕

[@LEBOTSAGAIN]

What happened to it 😥

[@Meowblivion]

@@LEBOTSAGAIN likely stolen

[@nitrous07me]

I’d only consider the old school nsx

[@OwnageProductions03]

Popups are great, but I'd seriously consider the fixed headlight version myself. Would be easy to update and modernize the look without any real ties to the era it was made. Fool people into thinking it's 10 years newer than it is.

[@eriksantoso1741]

The old school was great but the new ones also very good.

[@toadblurt1225]

I bought my '92 NSX after owning a house for a while then decided I really needed the car, so I bought a smaller house instead. I did so in 2014 and don't regret it. I dream about it occasionally, stepping out, seemingly lost in some back road forest area and looking back at it with deep appreciation. The reason i bothered to post this is, I can't really afford to own this car given my position in life and its only driven when I can collect a few hundred dollars together to refresh or replace whatever parts are on their way out. But when it is road legal and working, it's the freedom that comes with planting your boot in the pedal on an early morning jaunt through the hills and owning something which is, quite simply, a classy go-kart. So if you're of a similar mindset to me, you will have no qualms after paying the money.. except note the following things: Don't take your missus. It's for you. Tape a go-pro to the passenger seat headrest and set it to record constantly. You'll be able to back track your footage and laugh along nervously with yourself as you narrowly avoided death. It's also useful to find the the point where that screwdriver fell out of the engine bay and banged the crossmember on it's way down to the road. Trust me, if your having a midlife crisis, look no further than this machine.

[@DoctaM3]

Want one

[@_Rated_R]

I owned one and regretfully sold it to my cousin in south Carolina for $40k. (Bought it in 2007 for $20k) light tasteful mods like staggered BBS wheels, lowered with tein coilovers lip kit all around, Ti exhaust system and HID's. Cousin still owns it but has made the whole car carbon fiber, supercharged, crazy wide wheels/tires, updated interior, etc... Extremely jealous and angry. Kicking myself since 2013 when I sold it.

[@SachinNarine054]

"So you want an IS300/Altezza"

[@FitmentIndustries]

🤔👀

[@ADChopz]

Fitment Industries please BROOOOO.🥺🥺🥺🥺💚💯

[@Anxyte]

@@FitmentIndustries please 🥺

[@wully4982]

Ever since the day i became an enthusiast, i knew this car was destined to be driven by me. Its just the perfect car.. but im way too young to even think about owning that monster, let alone an accord for crying out loud. 😭😭

[@GIN.356.A]

You know what's sad, when you can actually afford one, the price would have inflated to the point you can't afford it anymore, then you pass your dream to your kid, the cycle begins again. Here's to you kid, hope you break the cycle.

[@smartjunayd]

The best car Honda has ever made

[@JoseHernandez-qy2iq]

Can you make a video on the nissan 300zx

[@lyftmedia_3869]

Can you do a video on the S15 Silvia PLS 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@vjmendozajr]

Take your time fellas the Civic Si episode is patiently waiting 😈

[@FitmentIndustries]

We need that for the next milestone 😁

[@vjmendozajr]

Fitment Industries the longer you wait the more painful it is

[@robtito95]

The video we didn't know we needed but god damn we needed it

[@novemberlima1025]

I work at an Acura dealership and i have driven one NSX and it was an insane few hundred yards. Was told that if it touches anything and scratches id be fired. Was cool though

[@r.d.9399]

Was my favorite car until they became insanely overpriced.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I swear, nothing compares. The Acura NSX just hits different.

[@headcharge666]

I’ve always wanted an NSX. I should have jumped on that wagon 15 years ago. THEY’RE SO EXPENSIVE NOW!!!

[@bentheodille2938]

Ofcourse I want it, it's just beautiful But I'm broke😢 That song is always heavenly for me

[@BodiaGuy]

It okay work on your progress, be obsessed with your goal, one day you will reaching out for it. I'm currently owning s2k, yes I do know how you feel. But I'm working saving up on it. Hopefully in the next whatever years. I will own it one day. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤙🤙

[@wangruochuan]

Back in highschool i was so broke but i wanted a mustang so bad. Later I went to college. In and out, finally saved enough and bought my dream car. Well some say the pre 04 mustang was ugly. Hell, that was my all time goal. Many cars come into my life and gone. But still, everyday I finished my day job, seeing it quietly sitting in my garage, I smile like a 15 yo boy

[@faggle11]

This has been my dream car for years and still is, so you giving it the honor it well-deserves feels great!

[@Murhamdilah]

I still have the nsx since 2001. Very enjoyable to ride and surprisingly comfortable for long distance.

[@andrewmorrison2977]

Do “so you want to build a sleeper”

[@Iamsandivo]

I left pornhub for this AND IM GLAD I DID! 😂

[@FitmentIndustries]

I was curious to see if you said it was worth it 🙏🏼😂

[@Iamsandivo]

@@FitmentIndustries 😂😂😂😂

[@mjmunoz-duncan9664]

Last time I was this early gels needed a haircut👀

[@FitmentIndustries]

🌊🌊🌊

[@swizzy6010]

NSX don’t look like ferrar- 10:48

[@FitmentIndustries]

Ope! 😂

[@honeybadger1755]

You’re right, Ferrari’s look like NSX’s 🤣👍🏻

[@ezUpshift_Media]

Better than the ferrari 🤣

[@Squireissocoolie]

"So you an IS300" by next week, and I'll post my newly "glowed up" IS300 on your gallery before I post it on social media.

[@FitmentIndustries]

LETS GOOOO! lol thank you for that consideration! 🙏🏼

[@Squireissocoolie]

@@FitmentIndustries Going on a month of asking, hook your boy up! Love you guys, btw

[@dylanorr2127]

@@FitmentIndustries dew it!

[@JohnSmithFlauz]

1st gen NSX, GTR (R34), S2000. these are my three dream cars. I currently only have the s2000. Still working for the NSX an GTR, but with its price climb each year an 25yr rule in USA I dont think I'll be able to afford the insurance for all three due to the area I live in. I'm hoping the market for these cars die out after another 10-15yr so prices on the car, insurance rates for premium, an theft/jelly folks dont trash or key your car.

[@pijeon4293]

Man, where's the MR2 love?

[@Pebbles2639]

The NSX has been my dream car forever! I'm saving for one hoping I'll have one someday soon.

[@BryanGonzalez-cd6hu]

He was really on to something with the tacos till he said red salsa.... salsa verde is ELITE

[@FitmentIndustries]

GREEN SAUCE FOR LIFE!!! 🤘 - Erik

[@E46_wagonlover]

You know I’m feeling a little disrespected you do the e30 and the E36. But skip what made the 3 series. So you want a BMW e46. I will sooner sell my e46 for a Mini van then stop asking for this video. Please god give us the e46 sauce.

[@FitmentIndustries]

One day sir one day!!! 😂🙏🏼

[@matthewcarter660]

AGREEED AGREED AGREEED PLEASEE E46 NOW

[@E46_wagonlover]

Fitment Industries I am sitting next to my e46 screaming. 🤞 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

[@chocolatesandals7751]

Still have yet to see the “so you want a Lexus ls400”😪

[@christopherkazukii1056]

Airton Senna legend was instrumental in improving and developing the honda nsx in terms of stability and drivability as we know it today!🇧🇷🇯🇵🙌

[@Lukas-eg1rs]

Christopher Kazukii ayrton senna*

[@christopherkazukii1056]

@@Lukas-eg1rs 👍

[@lonelylupus5960]

“So you want a foxbody Mustang”.

[@yepyepyepyep1407]

The fox body is used more for drag application rather than show

[@is300ev2]

Yep Yep, Yep, Yep why does that matter? Lol

[@lonelylupus5960]

Yep Yep, Yep, Yep I agree but their are some show ones to. Also it’s a legend for a lots of things. You can’t just put it in one group based on what most people use them for. But most people use them for drag but not all,so be opened minded . Thanks

[@yepyepyepyep1407]

Is300 EV cause fox body owners are rarely going to put $1k plus wheels or aero kit

[@yepyepyepyep1407]

Lonely Lupus I’m not shooting down the reason to make the video, and I wasn’t enforcing the Fox body is just for drag but over 90% of the owners just use it for drag from what I’ve seen in Texas

[@meatballman4120]

All I’m saying is NSX > any other 90’s Supercar

[@Sir_Reginolds]

But ma 3000GT ):

[@hystarpro2470]

But a 2g eclipse

[@andr3w27]

The R32 skyline GTRs performed better

[@sellingrice2347]

Andrew L in what universe lmao

[@KeenanStyles]

Laughs in 360 Modena

[@regansim2675]

“I have to pay an additional DLC” LMAO

[@z_murrieta6495]

So you want a Nissan Silvia. 😁 (Beautiful video of the NSX by the way.)

[@Sir_Cruelty]

I always get chills when they show the car in action with epic music

[@smoloms]

Step 1: have money Step 2: college takes your money Step 3: cry

[@luisarellano6941]

Who made you go to college? Your choice your problem.

[@datboy5009]

Damn I remember back then when my dad used to own one. Bought it for 25K with less than 100k on the speedometer back then and had it all the way till I was in middle school but sold it because of my mom. To this day, my dad regrets selling it and I still miss it.

[@markusluftner8418]

Finally, the 1991 NSX is mine. Can't wait to drive it. Mine is in service for Engine maintainance and detailing. I can't wait. 2 weeks to go .... I cannot sleep.

[@rainman5438]

Had the chance to pick up a '91 5 speed for $18k back in 2013.. Still kicking myself for passing up that deal.

[@kylev1996]

"Flippy-floppy headlights" you mean *POP UP, UP AND DOWN, HEADLIGHTS*

[@JiffyRipz]

Homie really out here saying “ughsuh” instead of U.S.A

[@dklassen9182]

My dad got his NSX for a steal of a price. We just got it tuned for the huge garrett turbo we installed

[@ernierobinson4892]

1st gen nsx is respectively classy Plus, it's an exotic that can run for days with the least visits to the dealership ^^

[@slycooper11892]

This is literally my dream sports car

[@ADChopz]

So you want a “CIVIC SI” , and “IS300/Altezza” are a WANT!!!!

[@jason2live190]

Looks way better with the Honda badge than the Acura badge .

[@Reizeroworldnoyume]

I'd love to have a Nsx. So hard to find a proper Manual T at reasonable price

[@Salsa_]

8:17 nah, Alex what you forgot to mention is that the green sauce is inherently superior to the red sauce. No cap.

[@FreestylerAlbert]

The most used suspension is the KW3 for the NSX. (based on what I see as an NSX owner) BTW the car have some "factory defects" like every single car. (ABS issues with the 1st gen, the oil gearing cracking, lmas... )

[@PokeTycoon]

The new nsx is insanely underrated! If I’m ever buying an exotic that will be the one.

[@CDsLilbastred]

Drove a formula red NA1 NSX 5-speed in Japan and man... that thing is a thing to drive especially on the mountains on tight-twisty roads. I've always wanted one, and to be able to drive it along the Hakone skyline and many other places just reinforced the want for one

[@_baller]

Honda needs to stop with the X's... It's not experimental if the car is production

[@SkylineLofe]

I would just love to see Honda do the same thing Hyundai is doing right now

[@GustavoGonzalez-hm2ci]

So you want a golf mk4..❤️

[@jmirsp4z]

got a honda beat so that's 1/2 NSX, right?

[@steveorr]

prices have skyrocketed because the cars now meeting the 25yr import laws, Australia is now introducing 25yr laws so we already have dozens pre-bought & stored in Japan waiting to be shipped over in the new year... so prices are still going to keep going up... new parts in Japan are still readily available and there's a lot of second hand parts around too buy one... and leave it stock!

[@TonyWang]

What would I do for an NSX.. Blackmirror season 1 ep1

[@gapistan2335]

I'd go for a custom twin turbo setup running around 7-800hp on a 2001 Honda NSX Japanese import because United Kingdom and I would go for a rocket bunny kit with TE37SL and BC racing coilovers and Interior wise Bride lowmax in RED and a android auto headunit

[@deven6518]

The reason I love this car the most is the styling. It reminds me so much of the Nissan Mid4 that was never put into production.

[@kalmtraveler]

Imagine being able to buy a manual NA1 or NA2 NSX for $50,000 USD in 2022. RIP my retirement account for $150k clean 6 speed NA2...

[@bryanarroyo216]

“So you Want a Honda Prelude” 😩

[@KeenanStyles]

I like the NSX but they are way too slow for me and just not enough car for the money especially here in Japan. I've seen gated 6sp 360 Modenas and even a few F430s for the same price.

[@wiretrap1035]

My supercharged black 91 is the greatest car I will ever own.

[@clarity7699]

I would do any little dirty thing those old guys on dating apps would ask me to do for an NA1 NSX

[@FitmentIndustries]

Well then....! 😅

[@cbraband1953]

So you want, Mustang Camaro Corvette M3 (or any M tbh) Challenger

[@eli7565]

So you want a BMW 335i 135i (N54 Engine)

[@Yungdieseltv]

I have 2 dream cars BMW 850csi and Acura NSX 😍😍😍

[@gk-m5]

Word mys is the 99' R34 GTR

[@Yungdieseltv]

Oh yeah love those too

[@rad9506]

@@Yungdieseltv why not pick Honda NSX instead Acura? Old is way better

[@Yungdieseltv]

@@rad9506the Acura NSX is old the difference is the Honda NSX is RHD and harder to find

[@DragonMan246813579]

I only need 1 kidney right? I guess I’ll sell one of those to buy one

[@flickmybic7174]

My uncle had one of these in the mid 90's. The good ole days.

[@johnflow5386]

Why didn't the new NSX look like the C8 corvette? I feel there is some resemblance.

[@J3Fox00]

Yea, there really is a resemblance. It looks particularly similar to the old Honda HSC concept car, which was actually meant to replace the 1st gen NSX. They really should've just updated that old design, and it also sucks because the current gen was supposed to have a V10.

[@littlejohn-pi7kk]

I finally got myself a NSX because of this video. Rewatching this, many of the things he says still holds true.

[@husseinal-khaiat1398]

How much you got it for ?

[@galilalexandro4392]

The Nsx doesn’t have turbos, the skyline and Supra rz have twin turbos!!! So if you put twin turbos on the NSX? 🏎💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨

[@SlowLude]

This is at the top of my "totally unobtainable dream car list"

[@theguy1994]

bought mine in May ;)

[@alexramos5078]

So you want a Nissan GT-R

[@VSfraservalley]

woooow, that throwback to that gas station video of the guy being filmed struggling to get out and telling the guy to stop filming.

[@eduardodelrio3407]

Do more videos on that g35 so I can get convinced to finally buy wheels off you guys 🙃

[@FitmentIndustries]

Now that might just be a deal! 👀

[@TikiMedia]

How ironic with the timing of this video, I started shopping around of an NSX last Sunday. Luckily, 1st gen NSX are still less than $60k.

[@TikiMedia]

Tanner Thompson I used "nationwide search" on CarGurus.com and AutoTempest. There's heaps of manual 1st Gen NSX's for $50-60k

[@Wafflecombo54]

I “want one” Can’t afford one🤣

[@TaxEvasi0n]

Just looked on CarSales, cheapest was 99k AUD with 150k kms... 95 model. Then 2019 model for 480k AUD, brand new. Fuck.

[@Salt_Fields]

can I afford a NSX? nope. But do I want one? Yes

[@droman608]

I’ll have it over a 911.

[@Avm371998]

How much does it cost. I mean the retro red one we saw in this vid with body kit and all?

[@emd1405]

pop. POP UP AND DOWN HEADLIGHTS

[@emd1405]

glad you appreciated that

[@nicholastaveras7017]

Acura TL

[@himura357]

His reason for why the Honda NSX is so expensive now is because "the cars were almost properly driven, have no negatives, easy to drive and maintain". Uh, no. They were $20,000 for years and years so how could his reasons make any sense? Only in the last 8 years or so it became ultra popular due to the hype of the new NSX being released. It was always teased as a crappy Honda supercar with "only 280hp" or not even a supercar at all. Somewhere down the line people started to pay more for the mint ones and then with sites like BAT popping up, some enthusiasts were willing to grossly overpay for them. Once you overpay it sets the trend. Now no NSX owner will sell for less and all buyers expect to pay more. The NSX is the victim of price gouging in the worst way. $20,000 was a steal, but $60,000+ is an absolute rip off and that is coming from a NSX lover, especially for high mileage ones. The market got this one very wrong, this and the MKIV Supra.