Social Epistemology - Steve Fuller / Serious Science

[@ridethecurve55]

Hearing this reminds me that I am no philosopher, nor will I ever be. I haven't been able to crack open this side of my brain, I guess.

[@MikeFrame]

How is this different than Durkheim?

[@GabirElbakri-b3v]

Some to know: 1- Book of yoga 2- Book of space 3- Book of animal and enviroment 4- Book of history human 5- Book of Naruto 6- Book of hogwarts legacy

[@Onyx8Moon]

how are these people "elite" made accountable in a larger society.... what to do about the knowledge we've gain the the area of expertise? There should be accountability but how can we be accountable for our knowledge when society doesn't HELP us put our knowledge into practice. We've had to figure it all out on an individual level, and there are limited amount of slots of jobs. we need money to exist.

[@ujean56]

This sounds all too American in it's tribalism (e.g. Philosophy knows how to approach the problem but Sociology doesn't). Hundreds (thousands?) of books pre-date 1988 as a timeline for serious and directed approaches to the Social Epistemology from both Philosophy and Sociology. If, however, you are willing to reject all work that lies outside the ivory towers of the classical standard repertoire of philosophy, your statements may be valid in a narrow myopic sort of way.

[@RottenTrashBoy]

This guy is, all in all, just an activist. Science shouldn't be favoristic, it is there to accurately report the real world close enough for us to understand. Throwing goals around just throws the math off due to bias, unless it's to be controlled.

[@MrLesammartin]

Do you think that there should be goals or broader scale objectives to aim at in order for Science to operate in a meaningful way? Whilst it's not harmful to have scientists experimenting and researching on whatever they want, don't you agree that there are larger concepts which our society promotes/disseminates which influence the practice of sciences? Ie: Capital and capitalist logic says that production efficiency is an extremely valuable ideal, and thus, many scientific endeavours are dedicated to realising this conceptual goal through their work. And if that is the case isn't there a strong case that we should look at our socially rooted ideals which guide our individual lives and the more systematic/ideological frameworks our countries/societies operate through? If we refuse to address the social roots of many of our cultural ideas and write them off as 'bias' then aren't we refusing to address the inherit self interested nature of humans?

[@timmehtimmeh576]

Truth alone isn't enough to steer the ship. Should we do "gain of function" research on coronaviruses? If we do, we'll discover truths. Is it a sensible thing to do? (An open question). Should economists have models founded on Adam Smith or Karl Marx? Both are models with axioms that then drive research that may or may not be true within that specific model. How much grant money should go towards climate change, or string theory, or IQ differences across race or gender? If all we cared about was truth, we could just go all in on discovering the next prime number - of which there are an infinite amount - and just kick back.

[@chimbuzi1]

Cancel culture?

[@Hallands.]

That's just inordinately silly, making an issue of how our present knowledge may affect "future thinking"! 1. You can't know. Nobody can. 2. You shouldn't attempt to interfere in any way, even if you could. 3. We do not presently posses much more than a little, scattered and highly specialized know-how and some flimsy theories. Our mainstream world view is incoherent and predominantly delusional. 4. Hopefully, future generations will transcend the current obsession with mind and develop wisdom. They'll need it. 5. Everyone is clamoring for attention, presumably to get funding, but for what? Does it matter - to you? Shouldn't we first figure out what we want and tell our leaders? After finding some who listen, obviously... 6. Before you worry about future thinking, try to determine what's driving thinking today. It seems to be "profit". Profit doesn't require any kind of deep understanding, mostly just gall, deception and ruthlessness.

[@GabirElbakri-b3v]

Some to know: 1- Book of yoga 2- Book of space 3- Book of animal and enviroment 4- Book of history human 5- Book of Naruto 6- Book of hogwarts legacy

[@timmehtimmeh576]

You're proving his point. You've just laid out what you think we *should* spend our cognitive resources on as a collective.

[@Hallands.]

@@timmehtimmeh576 If he bases „his point" on how current knowledge may shape future thinking, it is futile nonsense. The useful subjects are the ones I listet. In any case, all types of speculation is usually futile.

[@timmehtimmeh576]

@ You're still doing it 😆

[@Hallands.]

@ I’m still saying that it is impossible to know, is all!