Social Stud Reacts | Where is America? (Jay Foreman)

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[@SylviaRustyFae]

His unfinished london and politics unboringed are grt series to check out for some nonmap vids. How to become a lord is a grt standalone vid on its own too if ya wanna dip your toes into the nonmap vids

[@SylviaRustyFae]

Youre probs safe to call any Jay foreman vid about maps a map men vid. We just love the map men song and demand it be in every vid cuz its the best song and it truly makes the map men better

[@Dead25m]

It's only map men if it's both Jay and Mark, otherwhise it's usually Unfinished London or something.

[@Gia1911Logous]

I'm gonna be using "Land of the Rising Gun" from now on when I refer to the US

[@santumChannelYes]

as a south american, when i think "america" i think of what people from the us would call "THE americas", plural they probably say this in the video itself but i wanted to confirm it's true, if they do say that

[@SylviaRustyFae]

Yeah, the americas is used by most folks here (in Freedonia) if talkin about the whole western continent.

[@IONATVS]

Yup. The English-Speaking world tends to use the 7-continent model, where North America and South America are continents, but together they are called “the Americas” not just “America,” so there is no confusion when calling the country just “America” for short. Also under English grammar rules, while you can call the country The United States, it would be ungrammatical to call the people of that country “United-Statesians” or describe things originating from or linked to the US as “United-Statesian” which would be the literal translation of the Spanish-language (and I think Portuguese and French too, but haven’t confirmed) demonym for the US. IIRC about a 3rd each of the world uses the 7-continent model, the 6-continent (unified America, separate Europe and Asia) Model, and the 6-continent (unified Eurasia, 2 Americas) model, with a very small minority using the 5-continent (unified America and unified Eurasia) model. I was raised with the 7-continent model and personally think the 6 continent (unified Eurasia, but 2 Americas) model makes the most geographical sense, but “when in Rome, do as the Romans do,” so happily switch to the 6-continent (unified America) model when speaking Spanish.

[@SylviaRustyFae]

@@IONATVS There's clearly only 4 continents: Western, Eastern, Southern, and Australia.

[@IONATVS]

@@SylviaRustyFae The 4-continent model is fun...but neither very common nor very useful. Also, since “Australia” literally means “Southern Continent” it should be Western, Eastern, Southern, and Southern Mk. II, lol

[@SylviaRustyFae]

@@IONATVS Continents arent rly useful to begin with. And in actuality theres a TON of continents that make up each thing we call a continent. You can tell we have way more continents given mountains form where continents collide and we have a lot more than 7 mountain chains n the world; not to mention when continents drift away from each other.

[@jnliewmichael4235]

On the "Chinese discovery of America" thing, I'm pretty sure (,thinks of some big number,) 99% of academics think it's horseshit. Otherwise, the discovery is attributed to Zheng He's expeditions into the "south sea" from 1405 to 1433 under the Ming Dynasty. (For perspective, Yuan- Mongol-1200s-to-1300s, then Ming-Chinese-1300s-1600s, .then Qing-Manchu-1600s-1912.) He's a ethnically Chinese, religiously Muslim eunuch explorer under the mandate of emperor at the time to come into contact and collect tribute from foreign civilizations. He made 7 voyages from 1405 to 1433, the first four were travels through SEA and the Indian coast, the last three went even further to Arabia and East Africa. THEY BROUGHT GIRAFFES ETC. BACK TO CHINA, ALIVE. The following emperor turned China back into isolationism after previous decades of openness and exploration. So in one way, this is a pretty fun alt-history to write about. Cause these treasure fleets are insane in both size and number. The fleet was basically a floating, multi-boat city, one could probably Noah it for a while with how well-rounded the personell were. The single ships themselves were massive (find a side-by-side view of a average European ship to the ships of this treasure fleet), and apparently, from Britannica, the first voyage, the one that only traveled SEA and the east coast of India, had 62 ships and 27,800 men. Zheng He's wikipedia for a quick read, of course XD

[@flyingeagle3898]

yeah if the idea that china somehow sent an expedition to a part of the American continent is based on the Zheng He expeditions it faces the rather large historical problem that every one of the trips was headed in the opposite direction... Not impossible that there was a Chinese visitor, and I think it's even quite likely that some Chinese/ Japanese fishing boats/ fishermen occasionally got blown off course and shipwrecked in the Americas and couldn't make it back, but an actual 2-way trip where a Chinese person could have informed people of the land on the other side of the pacific? Doesn't seem like it, Their technology would have made it possible, but the interest from the decision-makers who would have to put together the resources for an expensive voyage just doesn't seem to have been there, and of course the Chinese emperors lost interest in the fleet before it was able to build on Zheng He's work.

[@demonic_myst4503]

discover means to find s9mthing that allready exists so discover is the right word

[@austindrinksfanta]

I'd love to see you react to "How The Founding Fathers Would See America Today."

[@qwertyTRiG]

It's actually pretty true that the news of the new world was pretty much ignored by most of Europe. Andrew Pettigree's book "The Invention of News" has a really good section on this. Excellent book.

[@utherteasdale933]

The other expensive maps listed into the video are funny as well

[@andreaswidham3607]

The China discovering America, come from the journeys of the Chinese admiral Zheng He, who led a number of expeditions in the early 15th century to Indonesia, India, Africa and (possibly) to America. It's certain that he went as far as Africa, since one of the things he brought back with him where giraffes. Whether he went to America though? Ehhhh? It's not been satisfactorily proven. Yet. Still, you should read up on him, he was an interesting dude.

[@qwertyTRiG]

If it has Mark Cooper Jones it's probably Map Men.

[@melanierhianna]

You would only call yourself English if you're from the England part of the UK. I'm not English but I am British

[@matiaspereyra9392]

8:45 the music you are hearing is an 8 bit version of jay foreman's song "skin sofa" I recommend giving it a listen if you haven't

[@antonymash9586]

Question? Do you think the name of the USA was a kind of manifesto? A delaration of intent to unite the whole of the Americas as a form of its "manifest destiny"?

[@IONATVS]

Personally I think some of the founding fathers may have wanted such a thing and proposed the name with that in mind, but most of the founding fathers only cared about uniting the states of BRITISH America and probably would have resisted Mexico or other Latin American colonies annexations even had they wanted to join after their independence. So possibly, but certainly not openly.

[@legendofmirr]

Canada was still part of the UK until 1867 so in 1812 canada didnt beat jack it was the royal navy who forced america to capitulate. But the way you said it seems to be the best thing for both you guys. America would rather admit it lost to canda than britain and canada will gladly pretend they were canada back then.

[@HistoryMonarch1999]

Fun fact we almost did actually call ourselves Fredonia

[@melanierhianna]

The Grenwich Meridian is still 0 degrees i.e. the centre of the map.

[@mlittlemlittle2966]

I once saw a George Carlin video that states that the usage of the term "native Americans" is misguided, both because that group has roots in Asia, making them no more native to America than any other USA born person, and also because the term Indians refers to God, "dios", not India. Not that it's changes anything about the European arrival, morally speaking, in any way, of course. BTW, Brady's realization face regarding the East Indies is priceless!

[@IONATVS]

By that standard, all humans would be “Native Africans” if you go far enough back. “Native American” and “Pacific Islander” are already fairly broad labels considering each are composed of many distinct ethnic, linguistic, and cultural groups, and while they may be sub-groups of the broader label “Asian,” having more specific labels is useful, especially if people aren’t willing to learn the hundreds of more specific native tribe and nation names. IMO “Native” has 3 reasonable definitions: either (a) the first people group (that we know of and is relevant to modern conversation) that lived in that land (ie native Americans in the Americas’ case) (b) the land from which a given people group arose based on our earliest historical records of them as distinct people groups (ie Beringia for the Native Americans, the central Asian steppe for the Turks, or Anglia, Saxony, and Jutland for the Anglo-Saxons) or (c) anyone born in that land, period. The word “native” derives comes from the latin word for “related to birth” so “native land” literally means “land of birth” so the last is the most literal interpretation, but the Romans did use it in both the other senses when talking about the birthplace of a “people” instead of a “person”.

[@mlittlemlittle2966]

@@IONATVS that is all very true, and there isn't a real clean way to separate peoples. It's just confusing. If a Pure endonym doesn't exist, you can still say other things. I'm not that history-savvy, but I'm guessing "first-arrival americans" would be more accurate. If we know, we can intersect time and place of arrival, like Domingo-15 would be for 15th century Santa-Domingo arriving European americans. (Google stumped me on the details regarding native Americans.) Of course, all of this is purely academic, I am not gonna get upset over inaccuracies that native Americans themselves don't

[@viktorbirkeland6520]

No mention of the Norwegians :(

[@tnorthrup1986]

look up the Chinese explorer Zheng He. there was a lot of chinese navigation at that point that went pretty far, but how far is disputed.

[@brad8476]

Hate to be that guy, but Canada never beat America we only ever fought the UK's royal navy and army, and i dont really know the multiple times thing but the biggest one people always bring up is the war of 1812 and again it was against the UK not Canada and that was a draw not a loss.

[@CaptainAmerica001]

Hate to be that guy, but Canada never fought the Continent of América.

[@brad8476]

@@CaptainAmerica001 hate to be that guy but pretty much everyone in the world calls the US America but people in South America.

[@CaptainAmerica001]

@@brad8476 Hate to be that guy, bruh!!! I was born in the United States of América, Seattle Washington to be precise.

[@brad8476]

@@CaptainAmerica001 and... I didnt say where i thought you were born everyone calls the US America, so i dont know why you came at me if you dont agree then dont respond to my comment.

[@CaptainAmerica001]

@@brad8476 You were insinuating I was, otherwise it wouldn't mattered where I'm from. I could've been from Russia. I'm just educating certain individuals that América is not a country or nation.

[@kiyanshkurra281]

Dude this one is called. Where is America.And everybody knows where is America is it North America and South America.

[@mohammedsakayl3016]

34th❗❕❗❕❗

[@claudiaarevalo7082]

North America Central America South America

[@CaptainAmerica001]

América

[@phantomagony9]

Latin America: I know they got their independance first, lets just agree in calling them "Estados Unidos" to avoid confusion. But they definitely not America thats the whole continent. Mexico: Sooo, I just changed from an empire to a republic and decided to call myself "Estados Unidos Mexicanos". Rest of Latin America: Facepalms

[@CaptainAmerica001]

Full name is the United States of América. Official short version is U.S.A. or U.S. Full name is United Mexican States. Official short version is México.

[@SylviaRustyFae]

On visitin the library of congress; i beleive you can virtual tour it for free online

[@Twining1999]

you could see their video on antarctica, it's really good

[@mr.dominguez4546]

This was nice vid, yeah... I had always thought it was weird that the United States called itself America, I grew up hearing its official name all my life, it does make sense that it call itself America by virtue of achieving independence first. But that only raises more questions in my head, here in Mexico before we achieved our independence we called our selves Spanish North Americans, or just Americans.

[@CaptainAmerica001]

Regardless of what continental model anyone follows, it doesn't automatically make América a country & 'American' a term only for the U.S.A.🇺🇲!👍 At the end of the day, América definitely is not a country or a nation. Therefore, 'American' isn't a nationality, a citizenship, or a term exclusively for the U.S.A.🇺🇲 Anyone who uses these terms as such is due to selfishness, ignorance, conceitedness, laziness, stubbornness, indoctrination, and/or arrogance! Furthermore, an American is from the Continent of América!👍 The United States of América/America (U.S.A.)🇺🇲 has a simple, basic, generic name that's easy to comprehend & not misinterpret in any way or language! The United States of América/America (U.S.A.)🇺🇲 simply means we are STATES, that are UNITED, on the Continent 'OF' AMÉRICA! Not América of the United States!!!😏 It's what our Founding Fathers & authors meant, and still means!👍 Greetings from the U.S.A.🇺🇲, an American from the Continent of América! English is my 1st language!

[@mr.dominguez4546]

@@CaptainAmerica001 thanx for your assertion, here in Mexico there was talk of creating the first American nation by virtue of persevering a continuation of "Aztec empire". Which is funny enough, the viceroyalty New Spain saw it's self persevering such continuation, under the Spanish crown. currently historians are debating how much discontent there was about the identity of individuals, within the caste system. Most people who could afford to ignore it, simply went with the title Spanish American, or North American.

[@Tony2438]

Wow some of the ducking and driving you are doing you was not concerned about the people's liven on the continent but China is wrong ?

[@Fetrovsky]

This North America is augmented with Central America. And the Caribbean islands.

[@TheFlutterQueen]

27th comment! (not counting replies)

[@robertguy9553]

As a Canadian I can tell you that we don’t like being called American at all. You guys can keep that name

[@flyingeagle3898]

Hi neighbor!, Yeah Canadians I've known are sometimes a bit irritated by the name, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal for most of you most of the time. Latin Americans on the other hand often feel deeply insulted that we call ourselves Americans. Part of it is that the common English language means that I think Canadians have a better intuitive understanding of why both history and the English language make it difficult to call ourselves anything else. Spanish/ Portuguese speakers don't have that understanding and are more likely to think calling ourselves American is somehow meant to demean them and are taught from a young age that America refers to the entire continent (and that there is only 1 American continent, not 2)

[@CaptainAmerica001]

América definitely is not a country or nation. Therefore, 'American' isn't a nationality or citizenship. An American is from the Continent of América, including Canadians & U.S. citizens. Not just U.S. citizens.

[@elvangulley3210]

@@CaptainAmerica001 wrong

[@CaptainAmerica001]

@@elvangulley3210 right

[@CaptainAmerica001]

In conclusion, regardless of what continental model anyone follows, it doesn't automatically make América a country & 'American' a term only for the U.S.A.🇺🇲!👍 At the end of the day, América definitely is not a country or a nation. Therefore, 'American' isn't a nationality, a citizenship, or a term exclusively for the U.S.A.🇺🇲 Anyone who uses these terms as such is due to selfishness, ignorance, conceitedness, laziness, stubbornness, indoctrination, and/or arrogance! Furthermore, an American is from the Continent of América!👍 The United States of América/America (U.S.A.)🇺🇲 has a simple, basic, generic name that's easy to comprehend & not misinterpret in any way or language! The United States of América/America (U.S.A.)🇺🇲 simply means we are STATES, that are UNITED, on the Continent 'OF' AMÉRICA! Not América of the United States!!!😏 It's what our Founding Fathers & authors meant, and still means!👍 Greetings from the U.S.A.🇺🇲, an American from the Continent of América! English is my 1st language!

[@dinamosflams]

14:53 - If the Land of the Rising Sun is known as nihon. Would, If The Unitates of America was renamed like LotR Sun be known as Nigon? xD

[@DK-cy5mt]

One thing I'd point out, don't conflate England with the entire UK as many people find it offensive

[@chrisshelley3027]

You really cant stand that the Chinese may have discovered the country.

[@SylviaRustyFae]

Why cant we be Freedonia!? It was almost our name so many times; hell, it nearly became the name of eight different states iirc Freedonians rise up! It is time for a rebranding!