New Enphase IQ Battery 5P

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In this video, Joe interviews Raghu Belur, Chief Product Officer at Enphase and we are looking at the brand new Enphase IQ Battery 5P.
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[@VomBethel]

We have a large Enphase Solar System. We are very happy with the output and reliability. Now, we need to add an Energy Storage System to run the property when we lose the electric.

[@CleanRunShooting]

I can help you with that when you’re ready!

[@stevenemshick4671]

It's about time someone is coming up with a complete system. I've been waiting for this for a while.

[@ShaneTheGeek]

I love the distributed architecture of Enphase products. Having the ability to just swap a redundant failed controller module in the battery is genius.

[@ColonelZanders]

Great comments at the end about creating value. Raghu is clearly knowledgeable when it comes to Electrical Engineering, and knows the specs consumers care about. Another solid and informative interview, Joe! Really curious to see if their is a market for standalone batteries once bi-directional EV charging becomes feasible.

[@mkennel6565]

I would guess that a home battery would still be valuable for back up, and offsetting TOU. If My wife and I both leave the house, battery would pick up and carry till one of us plugs back in.

[@jamespardue3055]

It's come so far since I started in the industry, circa '07 thru '17. Back then SMA's were the Benz of inverters, and Sanyo panels were golden. I have a simple Enphase microinverter system now (IQ7) here in Thailand, and it works flawlessly. Love the monitoring platform too. These guys are pushing things further every year to provide the total Point Of Use system to satisfy any residential dwelling. Well done Enphase.

[@D13GOR]

Really curious, any issues or things you wish you new before purchasing that system?

[@s.lionelmcauley4455]

Thank you Joe for entering the lion's den. Visiting Enphase head office and shaking hands with Raghu, details from the man himself, you can not beat that level of due diligence. With two IQ5P installed does that mean a home owner could sell back to the Utility 10KWh worth of power during peak buy back 6pm-7pm in California for example? In theory?

[@SolarSurge]

Correct

[@s.lionelmcauley4455]

@@SolarSurge The 'Earning Roof"

[@garymiller2624]

Enphase IQ has the holy grail in being able to create a micro grid. Keep producing and using energy even if the GRID goes down. And of course you do not need batteries., but it is all the better if you do. No comparison.

[@weaesq]

Compared to the Enphase 10T, the Enphase 5P seems to be thinner so it does not extend out from the wall as much. That may be helpful with a garage installation.

[@zumbatan550]

This is what I am planning. I am building a small system with one 5P battery and Combiner 5/5C without the controller for now ( I can add later). That would enable me to charge the battery instead of exporting @ the rate of penny under NEM 3.0 and also use the battery power at night. I can later add another battery and solar panels and then export during the peak rate not at the low rate hours. Will see how much the utility will pay first under NEM 3.0.

[@AgentOffice]

Exactly

[@bjornstout1534]

Sounds like the thing was shortcircuiting at the end😂 23:57 . Good presentation

[@savagecub]

Joe, once again another excellent video. Thanks for sharing.

[@gordonproudfoot2575]

Thanks Joe and Raghu for a very interesting video.

[@SolarSurge]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@EV-365]

Joe, great video as always. I know Raghu could not share exact pricing, but were you able to get a feel from him on approximately how much more two 5Ps would be compared to a 10T? Also could these be stacked with a system already using 3Ts or 10Ts?

[@JD-ir2sb]

I have enphase for over two years and it’s been flawless

[@ryanm4179]

Amazing. Thank you

[@OscarGonzalez-ct6no]

that nipple in between the two batteries is killing me!!!

[@tajdvl-advocate6113]

You want a generator because 1, 24kW backup generator costs as 1, 5P battery, the sun doesn’t shine when it rains and there isn’t enough sun during the winter in northern states. Also, stormy weather is much more likely to produce power outages.

[@USNEM]

I got a quote for $28k for 4 5Ps. 20kwh seems low for the price. I thought these were suppose to be cheaper. Maybe $20k for 20kwh would be easier to swallow.

[@SolarSurge]

We can get you a better price using the larger IQ battery 10. Where are you only need two batteries so it’s less expensive to install and fewer connections.

[@mrmeach1967]

8:49 Using the grid for backup 🤔. I like it.

[@kdlange6052]

Why not more modular? Batteries separate from inverters etc. Easier to service and lighter

[@MC-bm3cy]

Thx Joe!

[@TurreTuntematon]

Enphase rocks 😊

[@michaelashby1032]

If you have already installed 10T and 3T, can you add the 5P to the system by updating the combiner?

[@ThomMurphy]

Yes, and no. You can, as a totally separate system, but not as a single integrated system. Enphase doesn't offer anything to integrate wireless and CANbus communications. They don't even offer a way to move energy between this generation of batteries and their older batteries. That seems like a big miss to me. Surely, some folks may be looking to add these to an existing system. Especially so when at some point in the future it's likely the 3/10 are no longer available but this (or even later generation) are. It, also, seems to me that if they can offer vehicle (that they've got little to do with) to home (and vice versa) charging, they should be able to manage charging (and discharging) between their own systems. If they're not already working on a solution for this, then IMO, they need better vision. That said, they mentioned this battery and it's capabilities long ago. They do tend to mention future developments somewhat freely. So, it seems very strange if they've been working on a solution to integrate this but haven't mentioned it. It makes me think that they have no plans for this sort of integration.

[@michaelashby1032]

@@ThomMurphy thanks for the feedback. in assumed the same based on communication protocols but it would be good to have a this question directly answered by them since with all the sales they have recently for the 3T/10T batteries it would no make sense in the future not allowing your previous customers to have access to these storage options without having to install a completely new system. Bit well have to wait and see.

[@Salazes123]

It’s a question Joe could ask next time 😉

[@peteroconnor5537]

Thanks Joe, this is a seriously well engineered system. Also with a 15 year warranty which helps justify the expense. Just wondering about an EV charger, do we need a proper 7kW dedicated charge wall box or can we use a cheap outlet and control charging through the Enphase App?

[@Foreverfront]

does prius prime be able to bi directional charge??

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@ThomasK.]

What's about the efficiency when you pull out just a little power in the evening/night? For example constant 300W for lights and television? Is only one microinverter used in this case? I heard that hybrid string inverters struggle with pulling low power out of the battery.

[@vinay8429]

Joe, great video! Do these batteries work with any photovoltaic system ? I have a Sunpower system. Will it work with Sunpower ?

[@punksjutgbd]

What's the degradation for the 5P? It's helpful when calculating ROI.

[@Superiorsolarconsulting]

60% capacity at year 15

[@AlexanderBell1847]

How does this compare with the EP Cube by Canadian Solar? The power and storage for similar size seems higher on EP Cube compared to IQ 5P

[@derbene77]

When will this be available on the German market?

[@mwvanneman]

Joe, thanks as always for your great videos. A question-because the previous IQ load controller communicated via wireless communication protocols, any idea how the current 5P battery/gen 3 system controller will integrate with the load controller?

[@USNEM]

There is a comms kit that will fix that issue.

[@SolarSurge]

That’s a very good question. Enphase did not really mention or demonstrate the load controller while I was touring their facility. I’m not sure how this is going to fit into the new platform exactly.

[@WestFortJacoby]

The IQ load controller needs bigger contactors. Most of the loads we need to shed are larger than 40A. I don't mind making my own control boxes, but it kind of defeats the point of a ready made box.

[@coolcat312]

My solar was installed in 2019 with iQ7+ micro inverters. Will this new storage solution add on to my existing system easily?

[@RussCR5187]

Yes. I have exactly the same and the company I work with here in Utah has me designed up and ready to go.

[@jaredk6428]

Are you guys making proposals for these yet? I've heard they wont be availabile in mass until late in the year.

[@jaredk6428]

and follow up, will they work with IQ7+, or would I have to get IQ8s upgraded?

[@nicksgarage2]

@@jaredk6428 It doesn't appear that it matters what your PV system is using. I have two systems on my house. An older 10-panel Enphase system now using IQ7s, then a 27-panel SolarEdge system. I would assume I'd be connecting any battery system to my SolarEdge system, don't know how to combine them.

[@dannywitz]

Enphase IQ Batteries work with M215/250 IQ6, 7 or 8 micros!

[@SolarSurge]

Distribution is still limited. I expect that we'll have these available nationwide by the end of the year.

[@Anavllama]

I dont have an IQ Controller yet, but I just had a combiner installed. The IQ Combiner 4. Is this combiner compatible with the 5P system (controller and battery), if not I this really sucks that I would have to pay for a brand new combiner and the install of it TWICE!!

[@darnellbingham6624]

This is great way to manage your energy so you don't want to use the grid

[@user-mg3my9ry9t]

I have an array of IQ6+ microinverters . any problems using the IQ Battery 5P?

[@sunalwaysshinesonTVs]

Wait... why not just wire panels from the roof to the battery inverters so the inversion happens just once? While copper is expensive, you dont need 2 sets of inverters and you dont loose efficiency. . Still, great product. I think I might drop sourcing a Tesla.... once I find out how much this thing costs. You're a Product officer, so the answer will ALWAYS be "value-based pricing". What you could say is whether it's more, less, about the same as a Tesla as they are very public about their pricing and their battery system also provides A LOT of value.

[@weaesq]

Wire resistance and safety. Running DC current over long distances drops voltage and heats the wire - loss of efficiency - and if heated sufficiently can cause fires if the wrong wires are used. With DC systems a significantly higher voltage is used down to the central inverter (e.g., 360 volts DC) instead of 120 volts AC. When enphase was just starting, installers were skeptic. A central inverter system had fewer components and was more reliable it was beleived. Enphase has caught up on reliability over the years, particularly when DC to DC optimizers are attached to panels in a central inverter system.

[@robertcarney7928]

You didn't once mention roof top solar output and how it would work with these? Wish I could find out more? I have 10kw (27 panels) of Enphase iq8. If I add one or two of these batteries can I basically run most of my house off my roof panels on a sunny day and these batteries will just sort of buffer?, like if a cloud went by the batteries will output more but if my panels produce more than my house is using then the extra solar energy will charge the battery back up? I am asking about for when the grid is down from a storm etc.

[@szililolabu]

Absolutely just call a solar installer out there that knows what they're doing

[@maddeusdoggeus1]

If you already have the 10T’s are the 5P’s compatible to increase system capacity?

[@dannywitz]

You can add similar 3T or 10T batteries to your existing system. However you cannot intermix wireless (3T/10T) and wired control (5P) batteries together the control and communications protocols are too different

[@maddeusdoggeus1]

@@dannywitz I had no doubt about adding 3’s and 10’s… My 10T’s have been hard wired from install. The installer had so many problems with WiFi installations they only do hard wire. So is that still a problem?

[@dannywitz]

@@maddeusdoggeus1 for clarity do you already have equipment?(if yes what) if no what is/are your objectives? (So I can be more helpful)

[@alenhartgaming8076]

Hello, I’m in San Antonio,Texas and every solar seller is telling me I can’t generate enough power to run my home and idk if they are playing for the sell or something?

[@SolarSurge]

We would be happy to design a system for you, please book a call.

[@maddeusdoggeus1]

Are the 5P’s compatible with the ikioo two controllers

[@thomasjacques5286]

So my AC's LRA is 14.1 should I still consider installing a "soft start" device on my 5-year-old Lennox AC compressor?

[@SolarSurge]

With such a low LRA, I don't think a soft start is needed here.

[@thomasjacques5286]

My bad that was the RLA, my LRA is 83. I have been told by my solar installer I will need a soft start device. Now I wonder if they will bundle three 5Ps to make a 15 - that would be a POWERHOUSE.

[@georgeperez4770]

My installer, which is next phase, can't get the battery IQ5P commission. I asked them about the smart switch and they say it doesn't need it. They keep coming back and leaving defeated. So, I'm not producing anything right now until it gets figured out.

[@szililolabu]

Did they ever figure it out? And get it running?

[@georgeperez4770]

@@szililolabu yeah, they ended up figuring it out.

[@alberthartl8885]

Will this generation of storage work with a wind turbine without extra components?

[@arjunsamuel]

Does this come with a gateway like the Tesla power wall?

[@SolarSurge]

Yes. They call it the Enphase IQ System Controller.

[@arjunsamuel]

Thank you. Hope it's available in the UK!

[@arjunsamuel]

Thank you kindly

[@cquintana9326]

Will this system work AC coupled with older Enphase microinverters? I have too many for a forklift swap out.

[@SolarSurge]

Perhaps, but you will likely need to upgrade to the new Enphase IQ System Controller 3/3G.

[@cquintana9326]

@@SolarSurge I had assumed the front-end smarts needed to be the latest which is why the budget for some of the back-end needed to be managed. Can you check and advise for a solid perhaps or even a moderate yes?

[@ToddDesiato]

Thanks, Joe. Do you know if the Battery 5P is compatible with the existing IQ System Controller 2?

[@dannywitz]

IQ Battery 5Ps used with Backup systems need the IQ System Controller 3 (or 3G if you want to use a generator)

[@zumbatan550]

The battery data sheet listed Combiner 5/5C & Controller 3/3G compatible. Look like you are out of luck!

[@SolarSurge]

No, I don’t think so. I believe you need the new controller 3 or 3G.

[@Docsarg]

Please address my area: Ann Arbor Michigan. I have air source heat pump, heat pump water heater, maximum rooftop solar and insulation and EV. No battery yet as underpowered and too expensive.

[@egshane]

only one mic?

[@stevenemshick4671]

When is it going to be shipped?

[@SolarSurge]

Good question. The batteries are still in very limited distribution. But I would expect all Enphase installers to have these available for install by the end of the year.

[@TurreTuntematon]

End of 2023

[@davelindgren5245]

Being able to go over the 40 KW of storage is a big deal with California's new NEM rules.

[@johnhaller5851]

Do they have any virtual power plant capabilities to allow making money during a grid shortage. Tesla supports this in Texas, and i believe California.

[@SolarSurge]

Yes Enphase supports this export to grid functionality.

[@johnhaller5851]

@@SolarSurge I see they partnered with Octopus Energy in Texas, as opposed to Tesla building it's own REP in Texas. That was more of what I was looking for, namely if they created a REP, but I see they partnered instead. At $40 per month bill credit plus unlimited wholesale buyback credit, that looks close to paying for one battery over the 15 year warranty. Without solar, it might be difficult to get enough out of one battery to allow export to the grid in peak usage times.

[@scottross4627]

So you cannot just use a simple battery? You have to have all that extra stuff, micro inverters, controllers, communication and more. Sounds like you are backwards updating and older system that was missing parts. Why not just make a single inverter with a controller that takes both AC and DC from panels. So mirco inverters if you want them and MMPTs if you want DC and do not have shading issues. Then you can DC charge the battery directly from Solar improving efficiency and allowing for direct energy to EV car charging. Or you can use AC from micro inverters if you have shading and want just a grid tie. Less parts and a simpler system. Not so many boxes on the wall. I can not wrap my head around it. You collect DC on the roof and convert it to AC on the roof. Send it down to a combiner box, then to a battery, then again inverting back into DC then for the battery? To use the energy from the battery you reverse back to AC when you originally had that coming off the roof rather than DC to AC to start??? Also having a bunch of micro inverters rather than one only increases the % of having at least one failing. Your battery has a ton of them, 12 per battery. Then what happens to the battery with a single micro inverter failure? You say pop it out, I doubt it will operate with one missing nor will a power company allow that. I mean one on the roof failing is not an issue, but now your battery has dozens of micro inverters as well? Why? Why not keep it simple, with DC. So lets say 24 panels on the roof all with micro inverters plus two Enphase batteries now you have 48 micro inverters? WHY?? Enphase wins for most complex system. Is Enphase battery Agnostic? Doesn't sound like it but I am not sure. I just hope you can use your EV as a battery without micro inverters as that is the current movement. Here is a simple idea, If you have an EV why not duel use your car as a battery without micro inverters?? Solar DC to car or car DC to inverter to AC when you need it. One box!! Simple. Less parts to fail.

[@WestFortJacoby]

You are gonna love the new stuff SolarEdge has been teasing lately. DC coupled car chargers are going to be amazing. Imagine a 200% DC to AC ratio with negligible clipping losses because everything is DC coupled.

[@AgentOffice]

Car is the future of battery

[@zzz-nu2re]

​@@AgentOfficehow so, u dont wanna use ur energy for transportation for home loads when the power goes out and leave urself stranded. Idk though, maybe u do

[@AgentOffice]

@@zzz-nu2reno one needs all 300 miles usually

[@ronbridegroom8428]

They are behind the curve in getting "more power out of this battery". Gee whiz, even sogens, like the EcoFlow Delta Pro can give 3.6kw of power. Almost all the server rack batteries give 4.8kw out of their 5kwh batteries. I do not know why you are promoting this company. They are behind the curve by YEARS. You said in another video you were not a Solar Salesman but that is exactly what you are doing (IMO). Here in Northern California many homeowners do not need HVAC. Boy you must live in a very small portion of NorCal. Gee, multiple micro-inverters to get the power output they want. What a waste and complexity -- and thus I am sure cost also. What about a good inverter like from Schneider XW Pro or SolArk or Victron or the new EG4 18kwPV system. Several of these are all-in-one and UL listed for CA.

[@danielcapson9842]

Get rid of the mike and use lavalier... Most people don't know how to hold a mike and it ties up their hands. Up your video game, Joe....

[@joosh2416]

*mic

[@davefroman4700]

Yeah no thanks. Ive had my share of proprietary BS in my day.

[@ronbridegroom8428]

The Enphase guy talks like these features are some new invention that nobody else has done or has never been heard of before. WRONG. Inverter/Charger is standard operating procedure, it is NOTHING new. The Enphase guy is a joke