Tesla Powerwall 3 Vs Enphase Battery 5P

[@martingardens]

Sorry, the music is too loud, adds nothing, is annoying, and is a distraction.

[@solargod3671]

So true

[@tomdangelo3162]

You said 4 Enphase batteries are cheaper than 2 power walls (shocking he says sarcastically). In order to equal 2 power walls you would need 5.5 Enphase batteries to equal the total capacity of the power walls!! Is it still less expensive at this point? A better way to compare battery cost would be dollars per kWh

[@stephencobb4417]

Yes agree

[@BillSoucy]

Not really need as many 5Ps. Powerwalls self-consume 10 to 15% of their power. Also, it has a limit on the depth of discharge. I have 2 Powerwall 2s = 27 kwh, but I only get access to 80% depth of discharge or 21.6 KW, and the powerwall will need to charge approximately 15% kwh more than it discharges. That is why the comment that Four EnPhase 5Ps will provide as much or more power to the home as two Powerwalls makes sense. For example, my powerwall so far in 2024 has discharged 424.6 kwhs but required 509.2 kwhs to fully charge. With EnPhase 5Ps, it is my understanding you get 100% DoD +or - and there is very little energy.

[@Orvillerede100]

Sizing batteries has nothing to do with kWh's and much more to do with KW's

[@CodyDavis91]

​@@BillSoucy powerwall 3 is the first powerwall to use LFP. Should solve the depth of charge point.

[@johnqcitizen9177]

This 🤡 is so bias. Just 5:42 minutes into the video he now says “ i can get at my cost 4 imphase batteries for the cost of 2 powerwalls.” And he does it with a straight face.

[@alecanderus]

Kind of an odd comparison here. The 5P is modular by design, so it should be comparing (3)5Ps vs the powerwall as that would be far more comparable. Then also (5)5Ps vs (2) Powerwalls. That would give a much better apples to apples comparison on the different metrics.

[@DiegoMejia86]

Agreed, he also mentioned that no pw3 have been installed in the wild, which isn't true. The pw3 will also be lfp based and expected to cost less than the pw2. With the cybertruck Tesla also introduced Tesla powershare, allows you to use your truck as a battery for your home.

[@jslonisch]

I agree, it doesn’t make much sense to mark down the 5P for being half the capacity when it’s also half the cost. That’s just Enphase’s modularity approach that allows granularity in the size of the system.

[@ryan6391]

Not sure I understand cost. The Powerwall costs 2x as much as the Enphase but the battery is over 2x bigger. Wasn't enphase a 5kw and Tesla 13.5kw so Tesla is a better price for total storage?

[@Orvillerede100]

No Tesla is 11.5KW and Enphase is 3.84KW

[@GraysonA]

You say you can get 4 Enphase installed cheaper than 2 Powerwall 3s, but that's 20 kWh vs. 27 kWh. Shouldn't you compare 5 or 6 Enphase instead?

[@ToddDesiato]

I like to compare $/W and $/kWh, and in those areas I think Tesla will win.

[@jerrymolnar8010]

enphases 15yr warranty vs teslas 10 is HUGE, also enphases lithium iron chemistry means you can discharge to zero, also enphases micro inverters are FAR better when part of your array is in the shade vs Teslas string inverter setup,, also its widely known that enphases micro inverters using 240v AC ON THE ROOF is FAR safer fire risk on the roof vs the 400v dc of teslas string inverter on the roof, many municipalities are now requireing micro inverter systems for this very reason, remember the rash of roof fires on multiple Walmarts with TESLA systems ? its also widely accepted the micro inverters typically last close to 2x longer than a typical string inverter. the Tesla fan boys just don't understand the many many advantages of enphases CLEARLY superior overall system. also worth noting is enphases load leveling function during a power outage such that the system can adjust it power output to exact needs of the house, the so called micro grid. also enphase has demonstrated bi directional charging with ANY EV not just a Cybertruck . CLEARLY enphases system overall is more fleshed out.dont get me wrong, TESLA makes an excellent product and superior EVS ( except for maybe the upcoming APTERA SOLAR EV ;-0 ) also TESLA aims to lock you into their eco system, as where enphase aims to make their system as universal as possible. this is WHY the vast majority of solar installers will recommend an enphase system. one more thing I forgot to mention,, string inverters don't let you start with a small system and add on more later, enphases system ( micro inverters ) let you start small and easily add on more later, both with batteries and solar panels. this allows you to start small at first, and as solar and batteries become cheaper and more efficient later to add on at reduced cost, so your in effect future proofing your system. your string inverter (Tesla ) has to be sized for the system right up front, which makes adding on later much harder .

[@WalterA-b3d]

We have the latest Enphase whole home solar and two 5p batteries. Not much in backup power. But when I saw Joe's video on the upcoming Enphase EV Bidirectional Charger, I knew that would complete everything we need. Went and bought a used 2021 Nissan LEAF Plus. Once the EVBC is available it will be added. Then for very little money we added another 60kW of battery storage. Plus we now have an efficient vehicle to run local errands. Excess solar can keep the car battery topped up.

[@coblaze1]

EV battery is going to degrade so quickly

[@gusfusses44]

I don't get it. I hate when these guys get on here and push products and claiming to be experts looking to help you out. the math ain't mathin' (4) 5p batteries 20kW total capacity 15.2 continuous. (2)TPW3 27kW total capacity 23kW continuous. Of course it's cheaper to get less of a battery storage system. This is supposed to be a battery comparison not an ECO- system comparison. A honest person would tell you that you need about (3) 5p batteries to (1) TPW3. So you would need almost (6) for this comparison to be valid. And since you are talking about running high power loads the continuous is more important than total capacity. In a straight battery competition the TPW3 is the better value you can't fake that. In a ECO -system battle both has their advantages and disadvantages.

[@ersinc9080]

The Tesla Virtual Power Plant is a growing factor for owning one of these systems.

[@craigs.6642]

Excellent video. Some feedback would be to lower the background music a bit. Thanks!

[@williambest6552]

Stop the background Music Please!

[@artbalaoro9504]

The assessment for the installation and Cost criteria isn't exactly accurate. You're saying that the average home would require ~4 Enphase iQ5P, each of which takes a 20A breaker. That is not including the breakers required by the PV. If you consider the amperage back feed for four iQ 5P + the solar system, in most cases, that would warrant main service panel upgrades which are considerably contributors to solar installation. Meanwhile, Tesla Powerwall 3 has the ability to integrate to the main service panel with the Tesla Backup Switch (with utility approval), which allows back feed up to panel limits and avoid main panel upgrades. You can have considerably more PV + storage with Powerwall 3 integrated with Tesla Backup Switch at lower installation cost vs. Enphase iQ5P

[@SoCalFinest2005]

Because he did not mention what you stated as well as his cost analysis, it ruined the entire presentation. Cost analysis has to be accurate when you present such products. If not, it completely flaws the presentation.

[@dominickporretto2004]

Are you Tesla or Enphase certified installer?

[@bigjonbird1]

Getting a 24kw enphase system installed this week with four 5p batteries. I ordered and paid cash for everything myself, submitted plans, etc. This saved me about $20k over Tesla system and 15k over Renovy X. I highly recommend people being doing the paperwork themselves and how a local contractor to install. It will save you thousands and you get exactly what you want.

[@jbwjr54]

What did they cost you?

[@bigjonbird1]

@@jbwjr54 $3125 a piece. You need the system controller too which is $2100 it's definitely cheaper than most batteries. Especially with the 15 year warranty

[@stephencobb4417]

No this is bs

[@keithconrad4892]

Enphase great for grid connected but wont support whole house by itself

[@darkshadow4998]

24kw jezzz what you powering😅

[@jjamespacbell]

Your method of awarding points is too arbitrary, the customer needs cost to have a system installed, how will the full system look, and how does the unit integrate with your BEV now or in the future? When you have a problem do you call the battery company, the solar cell company, the installer? with Tesla that is who you call, this is important as troubleshooting is always a problem.

[@SFzip]

Bidirectional EV charging is already a part of Tesla's system; they just need to implement it in their vehicles. The Cybertruck, with its 123kWh battery pack, is slated to be the first to receive this feature.

[@SolarSurge]

Looking forward to seeing this capability in action!

[@martingardens]

The CyberTruck is the first Tesla with bidirectional charging. Sandy Munro found it was not possible with earlier Tesla models due to their electrical component configuration; one way only.

[@maddeusdoggeus1]

I have the Enphase whole home back up and love it. Can’t wait to see the video on the Enphase Bidirectional EV Charger when it comes out!

[@contact2001]

Is there any info out on the bi directional charger yet?

[@jaare55]

Good info as always however, I dont think you need the background music....nothing more distracting that takes focus off the subject like a short loop, phone on hold track. This addition is really distracting from the important information you create on your videos....jmho. Cheers!

[@MrDontcareify]

Just as an added comment, I think most renewable energy product manufacturers are trying to do what Enphase is doing and establish Home Energy systems, as opposed to just batteries, microinverters, or power optimizers. And it's a really smart idea to try and establish Home Energy systems to get the absolute most that you can out of solar in a grid-tied home situation.

[@kellydardeen6308]

You Can Do The Same With a Powerwall Been Doing it For 3 Years 🙄

[@MrDontcareify]

@@kellydardeen6308 That's not necessarily true, a Tesla Powerwall and a Gateway doesn't include things like load shedding functionality. It does if you pair it with a Span panel but not with the battery or the gateway.

[@wadewoehrmann2835]

kill the "music" please. :) it gets old.

[@DiegoMejia86]

You mentioned that 4 enphase is cheaper than 2 Tesla power walls. But one tesla power wall 2 is 13.5kWh and a single enphase is 5kwh. Shouldnt you be comparing 5 enphase batteries to 2 powerwall 2s? And with the pw3 coming in 2024 which will be lfp, arent they going to be cheaper? You also didnt make mentioned that the tesla universal wall connector with a cybertruck that will support powershare, which will allow your truck to act as a backup battery for the home.

[@jason-white]

UGGGG our system should be installed soon, We got 2 5p batteries. Our solar guy said that would be enough, now I am worried.

[@Depression2010]

To be fair when comparing the capacity of the batteries and the cost, would it not be more fair to compare 3 Enphase to each Tesla? Wouldn't I need 6 Enphase 5P's to have approximately the same capacity as 2 Tesla's? When you gave your final comparison, you went from Warranty to X-Factor and skipped Cost. Will the bidirectional charging work with a Tesla Model Y?

[@Moonraker11]

Utilizing the Span panel with Tesla, you are enabling intelligent loading and shed control but at additional cost...

[@brawlman]

Relying on a Span Smart panel seems good, but you now rely on a company to be only as good as a Firmware update and security breach to your house. No thank you...

[@Dragonrc.]

Sucks this stuff is still so expensive, I would love to add a solar setup to my home to just offset the cost of two a/c and a pool. Will be adding a third a/c in the shop so could really use one. Problem is most of the country to include my state AL are completely solar dumb. I have to go out of state to get someone and the cost is just ridiculous still.

[@s.lionelmcauley4455]

Joe, did you mention the Powerwall 3 is not compatible with microinverters? Also, by the time Powerwall 3 is deliverable, Enphase will be ready to launch its next Generation IQ storage solution. The company CEO said it would be ready for early in the second half of 2024 and if he pressed the timeline it could be ready 3 months earlier. Enphase CEO BADRI said the new IQ battery would have 2 powerful GaN microinvertes and have greater efficiency and a lower average selling price. I think Enphase is going to steal TSLA Powerwall3 thunder. If you are a microinverter array you will not even consider Powerwall 3, Powerwall 2 yes.

[@torbenjacob5459]

It has an built-in string inverter (and 6 MPPTs) - and you never use microinverters together with string inverters.

[@torbenjacob5459]

Power 3 is DC coupled and is meant for new installations - in contrast to powerwall 2 that is AC coupled and meant for existing system. It would be nice to also see a comparison of the actual efficiencies of the two systems. If microinverters are used, the AC from these needs to be converted back to DC before going into the battery - resulting in efficiency drop. I don’t have a solar system yet nor an EV, but I will probably buy a Tesla at some point,. Unless the cost is way higher for powerwall, I don’t see why I shouldn’t go for that. BTW, if future tesla cars will support bidirectional charging, then the powerwall 3 will probably also support it. If the cars do not support it, then it does not matter to me if the battery system supports it.

[@stephencobb4417]

Interesting. Doubtful on pricing

[@TurreTuntematon]

Well, with Enphase battery you need to also have the Enphase solar system. This is not the case with Tesla Powerwall.

[@Moonraker11]

I'd be curious how a 3-way matchup would look like if you included Franklin WH with their max config...

[@WindWhizzer]

Make sense👍

[@zoomzoom1889]

You said it was less but can you clearly say what total price of 4x Enphase 5P is vs 2x Tesla Powerwall 3?

[@SolarSurge]

It depends on your location and the installer. For Tesla, you can get general pricing from their website. For Enphase, we are seeing costs of $~20k for 4 batteries installed.

[@williamlloyd3769]

The other couple of things I’d like comment on is ability of house battery system to participate in a virtual power plant offering. Not a huge amount of money, but every little bit helps. Also, it would be critical to know what type of features these system have to mitigate fire risk of having a system installed in your house

[@boblatkey7160]

It is now a violation of the building code and fire code and manufacturers recommendations to install system in your house. In short, don't do it!

[@KevinLane-l8y]

A closer comparison should be 2 Powerwall3 vs 5 Enphase 5P. In my opinion, the 5P is a much better platform. Safer battery chemistry especially since Tesla can change its chemistry at any time in production.

[@strykerace]

why does Enphase get credit for bidirectional EV charging when that feature doesn't exist yet? What is the cost of each system? You made some relative cost comparison of Powerwall V2, but don't seem to know what the cost of Powerwall V3. So the cost comparison does not seem to be complete. Also comparing against V2 vs Enphase capacity 2 v2 Powerwalls provide ~35% more capacity than 4 Enphase batteries. Does Enphase 4 battery system cost 35% less than Tesla V2 Powerwall setup?

[@SolarSurge]

Thanks for the feedback. We will have to do this comparison again once more units have been installed. The bi-directional EV charger does work. I've seen a live demo using a Nissan Leaf in Enphase' lab in Freemont.

[@ericjohnson3967]

​@@SolarSurgethrough j1772 or CHAdeMO

[@riznliz]

@@SolarSurge I hope it will work with older Tesla's and have the NACS plug.

[@MrDontcareify]

Great content as always, Joe. Quick question, does the price between the two systems levelize in cost when adding in the additional cost of having to add the system controller and the IQ Gateway? I guess if we added that price we'd also have to add the price for the Tesla Gateway, which in my experience is also necessary for most Tesla Powerwall installations.

[@stephencobb4417]

No

[@salvadorbermudez2289]

Tesla is like 10 years ahead of the game, Tesla doesn’t even relocate loads anymore they just uses a “meter adapter” which automatically have full home backup. Tesla obviously have EV synchronized with the batteries which charge the car while you Solar is producing power and also charging your batteries.

[@AS-xy7ud]

Tesla Powerwall 3 is cheaper comparing to Enphase, if You compare their kWh. Why did you make a mistake in such a simple calculation? this is an elementary school mistake. And finally you gave Enphase 5 points and 3 points for Tesla - which doesnt make sense.

[@hanvandewal917]

Not showing any number comparison makes this ‘just I say so’. No factual data to compare. Talk is cheap. Useless commercial.

[@savagecub]

Well, I have two teslas but all my panels and systems are Enphase. So I think for me I should go with Enphase batteries. What do you think?

[@DanielASchaeffer]

Is there a problem pairing a powerwall 3 with an all-Enphase solar system? What should I be aware of?

[@wyrdstein]

Tesla has already announced bidirectional charging with their Cybertruck. It’s called Powershare

[@USNEM]

You need a cyberturd for that, you have one?

[@MichaelFinkSunCommercialSolar]

Keep in mind one 5P has an output of 7.68 kVA (3 seconds), 6.14 kVA (10 seconds) This is a big improvement over the old battery.

[@stephencobb4417]

Agree

[@larrymeyer6006]

How about the Anker Solix x1 system,

[@8Arachne8]

Really hoping Enphase offers a larger version. I’m typically under 20 kWh, but that’s only one day on full batteries if I get 4. In an emergency I’d like more than 24 hours of backup in a worst case scenario.

[@SolarSurge]

Agree. I'd like to see a 10P or 15P.

[@garycox7508]

my guess is that, at best, they'll offer something like the 10p which would be 3-4x5p's under a single cowl like the 10p is 3x3p's. I don't see Enphase creating a single monolithic battery as it just runs contrary to their vision of redundancy, modularity, and horizontal scalability. I definitely understand the desire to see a bigger battery..but at least in the short-medium term it doesn't seem like that's they way Enphase is going with their product line (unless you count the 10p and perhaps a similar product based on the 5p as the building block). From Enphase's own documentation: "If a manufacturer has a modular battery offering, customers can buy just the correct number of batteries to supply power-hungry loads and reduce the upfront investment required for the system. Conversely, if a manufacturer only has one large battery offering for specific HVAC sizes, the Power Start capability of one battery might not be sufficient. In that case, significant investment would be required to buy another large battery." That said, the 5p does scale horizontally to more than meet your more-than-24 hour requirement as up to 10 can be added to a single system I believe. And if you are adding solar, in theory you only need to make it about 12-24 hours at a stretch on batteries over an indefinite time frame depending on how over-paneled the system is. Add in a smart load center like SPAN, and you can dial in what's critical versus nice-to-have (based on state-of-charge and other factors) to make the batteries stretch even further. I'm in the planning stages for a new house that will be completely self-sufficient during emergencies...and I've discovered that you really have to think in layers (smart panel, solar, batteries, generator) to do it "right" in a way that is fault tolerant as well as sustainable for long periods without the grid all the while keeping the cost relatively reasonable. And just like "a penny saved is a penny earned"...that smart panel is worth its weigh in gold by decreasing your energy demand when it counts thereby making all of your resources go much further. Granted, if you are under 20kWh per day..there's not a lot of fat to cut but every bit counts and turning off circuits is cheaper and easier than adding batteries and solar capacity. It's an "all of the above" kind of thing.

[@mg7685]

What about Powerwall with Enphase panels + Microinverters?

[@torbenjacob5459]

You are also not mentioning that the powerwall 3 has 6 MPPTs, which seems pretty important. I my view that will make the system less prone to shading issues and allow 6 different orientations of the panels - without the use (and cost) of optimizers.

[@sahilmodi5355]

Inherently Powerwall 3 is still a string inverter, so even if one panel is shaded, the whole string will not perform

[@boblatkey7160]

Yes but now you have to buy PV Rapid Shutdown (RSD) using Tesla Mid-Circuit Interrupters

[@boblatkey7160]

@@sahilmodi5355 that's not true, there will be some drop in power but it can maximum PowerPoint track all the way down to 60 V. So it is false to say that the entire string will drop out.

[@KPOSTROOFINGANDSOLAR]

Thanks for the content. Agree on SPAN comments and it's good to see Enphase upgrading their batteries. Here are some pricing comments: 1) The "4 battery" Enphase battery in your example has 35% less storage capacity than your "2 battery" Powerwall battery example (20kWh Enphase vs 27kWh Tesla). 2) The Powerwall 3 pricing has actually not been released yet by Tesla. 3) Enphase battery pricing doesn't include the inverters. Other notes: 1) You can indeed integrate a Tesla Powerwall system with a generator. Difference is that the generator charges the home directly vs charging batteries (plus for Enphase). Plus for Tesla is that you can use any generator vs a select approved generators by Enphase. 3) Powerwall 3 will be integrated with Starlink.

[@stephencobb4417]

Interesting

[@matthewgreenwood729]

Interesting. 35% is a lot…

[@matthewgreenwood729]

Just looked into it, no pricing for Powerwall 3 till first quater of next year. This video feels a little premature.

[@goukwapanzy]

IMO, this is an incomplete analysis/review.

[@JonnyAugust1]

Is it possible to use the generator to fully charge the 5P batteries in the enphase system?

[@FranciscoLopez5382020]

Tesla is offering their Universal WallConnector that offers bidirectional energy transfers into or out of your EV. It works with Tesla PowerWalls right now. Please check how would that work and if it will affect your score and decision.

[@anolegian99]

Only available for Cybertrucks, this is extra 120K

[@MrDontcareify]

I would like to see most Home Energy renewable systems have a smart panel like Span or Savant, just to add some more granularity in the data of power consumption for a house and to add another level of load control in the event of a grid outage. 🙂

[@SolarSurge]

Yes, I believe these smart electrical panels will become standard in the next 5-10 years.

[@chucksumpter7340]

Joe, I love your informative videos and always learn something. That said, the background music is much too loud IMO as it is very distracting….

[@Reedith]

I was leaning towards enphase but now with the of Tesla bi-directional charging having a cyber truck means you have nine power walls in your driveway. So that level of compatibility and integration i dont think can be beat right now

[@russellwalsh9081]

How is this better than rednecking a few things up? Just kidding.

[@paulnolastname9422]

I'm surprised you didn't discuss battery chemistries here. I don't know what the TPW-3 will use (I assume NMC), but I chose my Enphase system specifically because it uses LFP (LifePO4) chemistry. This likely explains why the TPW has a higher output and shorter warranty. Great video, and please keep us up to date on status of the V2H bidirectional charging option. I'm hopeful that for those of us with older BEVs, Enphase will be able to make this work.

[@Ariaa-qq5cz]

Powerwall3 will use LFP too.

[@boblatkey7160]

In a new paper, researchers from the University of Sheffield, Imperial College London, and the University of St Andrews in the United Kingdom have conducted a detailed meta-analysis of 60 papers to investigate the most influential battery parameters and the probable off-gas characteristics to determine what kind of battery would be least hazardous. They have found that while NMC batteries release more gas than LFP, but that LFP batteries are significantly more toxic than NMC ones in absolute terms.

[@JMM-c6q]

How much power does these typically consume when they do nothing or during idle ? I’m hearing Enphase 5p has more parasite loss than PW 3 .. please confirm

[@SolarSurge]

Yes, I have heard that as well. I've hear Enphase batteries draw up to 20W idle load per battery.

[@contactluke80]

X Factor points = unscientific way I can skew the final score

[@peter-hr1gl]

wish powerwalls and enphase were compatible.

[@harishboyina9305]

Hi Joe, Can you provide the exact market price of both per single battery?

[@MikeMikeMiker]

Does the PowerWall 3 work with Enphase inverters?

[@johngaiger]

Why would you do that? Powerwall 3 has its own inverter. From what I understand you just run your solar panels direct to the Powerwall.

[@MikeMikeMiker]

@@johngaiger I did some research and I believe you need DC optimizers. You would basically be installing a string inverter system and they have huge disadvantages

[@97jettatrek]

Wow, you glossed over a TON on info for the 5P batteries. Most importantly, the peak startup kW per battery of 7.68kW (for 3 seconds) and 6.14 kW (for 10 seconds). This is a huge leap from the previous 10T batteries. Only mentioning the continuous rating of 3.84kW is somewhat misleading.

[@kassidylane]

Lol who wants to be in the enphase ecosystem? Does that come with free aol?

[@johnqcitizen9177]

I’m going to give “solar surge” a 👎🏿 he is so bias.

[@ELECTRICMOTOCROSSMACHINE]

We sell the new 250 amp Span panel with the power wall 3. I guess Tesla doesn't need to support a generator when Span already does it. I sell for Icon Power Houston certified Tesla dealer and service. We use to be part of Tesla when it was Solar City. The new Power Wall 3 is way cheaper to install, the whole system costs less and less to hook up. Unfortunately the Enphase cannot sell power back at peak times like Tesla, This will rule supreme in the near future until some one else does this also. Till then, only Tesla pays its owners a return for the investment.

[@cjb8993]

Can anyone answer this question; are there any systems that will work with a whole home generator? Let's say the grid is down, and you blow through your back up batteries and want to top them up with generator power because your solar is damaged or covered in a foot of snow, is there a comprehensive system that plays well with a generator? So far, the answers I've seen are not. The solar and battery system operates independently of the generator. Am I missing something?

[@SolarSurge]

Good question. The Enphase and FranklinWH systems both work with a generator in the manner your describes above. Sol-Ark also has generator support.

[@cjb8993]

@@SolarSurge Thank you!

[@boblatkey7160]

In a new paper, researchers from the University of Sheffield, Imperial College London, and the University of St Andrews in the United Kingdom have conducted a detailed meta-analysis of 60 papers to investigate the most influential battery parameters and the probable off-gas characteristics to determine what kind of battery would be least hazardous. They have found that while NMC batteries release more gas than LFP, but that LFP batteries are significantly more toxic than NMC ones in absolute terms.

[@Aircam73]

You keep saying you can get 4 Enphase for the price of 2 PowerWalls. You do understand that the 2 PowerWalls have greater backup and throughput than 4 Enphase right? With 2 PowerWalls you get 27kWh hours of backup and 23 kW of continuous power. With 4 Enphase are you only get 20 kWh and 14 kW of continuous power. The 4 Enphase require more space and give 7 less kWh of backup and 9 less kW of continuous power compared to the 2 PowerWalls.

[@CaseyFox-c8p]

I've worked as solar consultant for 9 yrs. I am getting an install on my new home in SGD&E territory next week. I have design and permits for 2x5p with a 10kW solar system with IQ7 micros. Last minute I switched to Powerwall3 due to the additional 3.5kWh, saving almost $4k and although there is a shorter warranty, it has unlimited cycles vs 6000 cycles on the Enphase system. I have limited shading so I think a string inverter (which I've talked down for most of my career in solar) should suffice. One thing missed in this video but probably addressed elsewhere is the AC vs DC coupling. I know I'm going to get significantly better efficiency with a DC coupled Powerwall 3 compared to an Enphase system. That was the final straw for me.

[@duigiud]

Great video. Last year I had a Enphase solar panels/system added on the roof of my house. I have net metering with my city utility company. I’m thinking about getting a Tesla vehicle and will want to install a 240 volt level 2 wall adapter in my garage. My garage is detached from the house. I was thinking about getting a power wall and having solar panels installed on the roof of my garage to power the power wall. I was thinking about having the solar panels on the garage and the power wall separate from my home solar system. Since I already have a Enphase solar panel system for my house would it be better to keep everything the same and go with a total Enphase system, wall adapter, power wall and solar panels for the garage roof or go with a Tesla system to match my car? You mentioned the Enphase has a “bi-directional” capability with their equipment and Tesla doesn’t. Or maybe forgo the power wall and add extra Enphase solar panels on the roof of my house?

[@nichpak1]

Great to get your overviews on these products and their individual strengths.

[@maddeusdoggeus1]

Customer service at Enphase after the sale is excellent. Not sure how it is at Tesla..

[@nexusly6720]

Tesla you superb after you first request a service you are connected to service rep via cell # text and call. Can't ask for a better situation. Service is 2 to 4 days max that being said you requested on Friday morning expect Monday or Tuesday if you request on Saturday expect end of the week. Standard service timelines.

[@airselectricalcontractors842]

you didnt factor in a 3 phase home

[@American_Energy]

The biggest Tesla X Factor is Virtual Power Plant. PG&E pays me ~$400/year for access to my batteries during energy events (typically hot days in September between 5-10PM). I expect this number to trend higher.

[@4literv6]

That enphase battery is perfect for the 400sq ft park homes and tiny homes market. I wonder if any enterprising is going after that market? Also terrible comparison imo just 4 of those 3.8kwh enphase unit's vs 27kwhs combined for the 2 tesla pw3s. 😐

[@torbenjacob5459]

I’m missing some info regarding the prices. You are mentioning several different system sizes - eg stating that 4 IQ batteries are cheaper than 2 powerwalls - but 2 powerwalls have more capacity than 5 IQ batteries. And you talk about a future bidirectional charger than you can’t buy at this point… It all seems a bit biased.

[@douglassamuel9731]

Not enough info for me. To compare it would have to be a 3 enhase to one tesla. Living off grid for 5 years, its 2 major factor. 1) cost 2) reliable high cycle batteries, everything else is minor.

[@ATerryB]

You said Enphase does not have bigger than 5t and on the website they offer 3 different IQ batteries: 5P (in the video), 10T and 3T. Can you please compare Powerwall 2 and 10T? Comparing Powerwall 3 does not make sense since it's not compatible with any solar systems except Tesla solar and Powerwall 3 cannot be installed along with Powerwall 2. Thanks!

[@teslabulls1238]

Keep in mind when he says IQ Battery cost is better he is comparing a 5 kWh battery with Enphase to a 13.5 kWh battery. Actually price per kWh the Tesla Powerwall 3 is better. So in reality Tesla would win in your comparison.

[@P51]

Hi Joe: With Tesla it's DC off the roof to the battery inverter? And--good lord, where am I going to put FOUR batteries?

[@Silent1Majority]

Excellent!!!! My only issue is that our Solar installation is based on a SolarEdge Inverter. Would you please be so kind to allow me to be "that GUY" and ask for a similar video comparison on the upcoming SolarEdge system vs Enphase? Please????? 🙏🙏🙏

[@OG.551.98]

Tesla is vertically integrated from its early phase of lithium minnig all the way to the Tesla Cybertruck which has pleased consumers with several new features that expand the possibilities for its use. One of these is bidirectional charging, called Powershare as it's the first time Tesla has included bidirectional charging in it's cars. Soon, all Tesla cars will also have bidirectional charging from a software update.

[@alwaysgoclockwise6019]

Can we get a like for like home installation costing? Its better to see a fictitious house being set up by both and then we homeowners can see the pros and cons.

[@AnimEva_33]

Everytime Tesla claims anything, I immediately lower those estimates 20% for real world use because I've never seen any Tesla estimates hit or even be close to it

[@BillTorelli]

Enphase System Controller 3G being installed today in preparation for the installation of Enphase 5P batteries in 2024.

[@DanielASchaeffer]

Can you do an analysis of what would be required to connect an Enphase solar system to a Cybertruck? I'm thinking that would be a much better home backup option if I can get 123 kWh of storage for $80k with a free truck.

[@kalfish]

Nice video production. It’s a shame your bias towards Enphase oozes throughout this video…😂

[@tikimaka1]

Great video, but background music is overpowering your dialogue. Need to turn it down next time.

[@carlosmatta5947]

Loved the video but I wish I could turn off the background music. I can’t concentrate on the content.

[@bigsiegee]

So, the powerwall 3 has a solar inverter in it - but I don't need 4 inverters so isn't that extra cost just wasted?

[@George_Philbrook]

The music...

[@freeheeler09]

Good video Joe! At this point, batteries are the component that most needs to be improved. Storage capacity and price are the keys. Fifty kWh and not Teslas paltry 13 kWh will eventually be the standard for homes and small businesses. And, the installed price for 50 kWh needs to drop below $15,000.

[@SolarSurge]

That would be nice. I'm aware of one solution promising 20kWh for under $10k for a self-install. An electrician would still been needed to make final high-voltage connections.

[@mr.o5577]

Is Enphase selling their products in EU? Lets say Spain and Finland?

[@RHP2024]

The one I offer.

[@rozonoemi9374]

Only 1 Powerwall 3 would be good for me & my Cybertruck.

[@neilmartinez143]

How’s the enphase app vs Tesla’s?

[@SolarSurge]

They both have nice apps. Enphase gives your more detail about the solar performance. The Tesla app gives better data re: EV charging if you use the Tesla charger.

[@ryanreeves70]

I say the the stock in either..both are at a good buying point.

[@JayChristensen-x1k]

Joe I know you said Tesla should buy Span. Would it be possible for Enphase to buy Span? Can you please do a comparison of Span and Savant?

[@stephencobb4417]

Savant more breakers but no battery monitoring

[@benjaminwatson7]

What area of the US does Solar Surge operate

[@cbkayak]

Great presentation

[@harveypaxton1232]

Great video. How are the ongoing Tesla vs. Span lawsuits going to affect system integrations?

[@alberthartl8885]

Joe could you cover how to include a wind turbine into these systems.

[@SolarSurge]

A wind turbine would need to have it's own DC-AC inverter, which could feed into the same electric meter, but there would be no ability to interface the wind turbine with either of these batteries.

[@dougspindler4947]

Nice video, thanks.