SOLE SLIP: 'City Of Truro'

[@TerminalSports45]

I would have never thought that the LNER would preserve a Great Western engine, that is so fascinating.

[@ewoutro]

TheDixieNutjob Particularly as they also had a claim to the 3-digits with Flying Scotsman. Quite noble of them to do so.

[@TotoDG]

As someone who's inclined toward Scotsman's claim, I still think this is a magnificent and beautiful engine.

[@warrenlehmkuhleii8472]

Who can resit a GWR engine I mean the LNER is my top pick but the GWR is the second. But I mean the Scotsman was the first. So LNER forever!

[@theoneandonlynumber1253]

@@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 the great western INTENSIFIES Duck: THERE ARE 2 WAYS OF DOING THINGS THE GREAT WESTERN WAY OR THE WRONG WAY

[@Percyfan1998]

The LNER preserved City of Truro? Who would've thought...

[@boxcarwillies1603]

Yeah, I would at least think the GWR would save their own kind, but noooooo. they just had to chuck out their (GWR) most famous engine. I say GWR because 4472 and 4468 are both engines more famous than Truro was.

[@Percyfan1998]

Such is the mentality of railways... I can never quite get around it much myself but therein the problem exists.Killian Keane

[@Jiskpirate]

We still have the classic Dukedog and Lode Star ;)

[@CW56]

Boxcarwillie S160 I wonder what Gordon thinks of that.

[@masterfarr8265]

@@CW56 I loss my dome because of him

[@LittleBlueTrain67]

What a beautiful engine! City of Truro definitely is a masterpiece of a locomotive.

[@harold5337]

Regardless of your thoughts of whether City of Truro did reach 100, we call admire that she is a fine engine to admire, and a lucky survivor.

[@1TruNub]

HAHA YES city of turo, the ultimate argument starter between GWR and LNER fans lolol

[@dragonzilla6482]

City of Truro is my favourite GWR locomotive Chris! Thank you for putting her in Sole Slips! ;)

[@peteknight9537]

Thanks for this one Chris,the driver on that day was my great uncle, Jim Underhill. Not a blood relative but married to Grandad's sister, Great Aunt Emma..Thanks again,Regards, Pete

[@DisneyMatthewSkunk]

It's a celebrity , a celebrity is a famous engine

[@paularowe7651]

I remember seeing the loco at Truro Street. In 1957 when I was very young. She was on a tour publicising the new ITV service. I was brought up in Truro so of course she was the first 100.mph. Don't forget that a Cornishman made the first steam loco!

[@Tombola1993]

My favourite Great Western engine of all time.

[@foxcell]

Fantastic work Chris one of my favourite locomotives I've always wanted to see her in steam but never have had the chance to whiteness this grand loco in action.

[@LuckyTrucker1]

Thanks Chris , nothing there I didn't really know already but still enjoyed this brief glimpse of this fine loco .

[@SSudric]

He has no dome! Never trust Domeless engines! Ah, A interesting and amazing engine

[@ajaxengineco]

atbaras had no domes but they both look nice

[@edwardo6834]

They aren’t Respectable

[@Mike-dw8wf]

i honestly don't mind of the LNER did preserve her, i'm just happy that she hasn't been scraped yet.

[@timevans2086]

My father was fireman on the City in the late 1940s, he worked on the GWR and never let us forget it.

[@JRS06]

I was lucky to see City of Truro at the NRM some time in my youth, but sadly haven't seen it since. And yes, I think this may have been the first steam loco to go 100mph, much more likely than No. 999. Americans only say that one was faster first because they want to be better.

[@NextEevolution]

As someone in the US who may never in the near future get enough funds to travel to York to see this engine in person, I can't thank you enough.

[@CurdsFromDaCulvers420]

Jut get 2 planes flights one for going and the other to come home. The nrm is free to go in

[@JohnGillespie-s5n]

Lovely ex GWR loco

[@LouisPhung999]

All right! A celebrity engine! Great job there Chris-Eden Green.

[@SaltyVan]

“He went 100 miles an hour before you were even thought of“

[@davidantoniocamposbarros7528]

Well it's been like 100 or whatever years since Truro's claim,so i guess it's time to make some calculations and finally discover if Truro reached 100 MPH or not

[@Sammy1234568910]

that is actually where the claim came from. A writer for the Railway Magazine was on the train and was timing it between mileposts. He calculated that the train travelled 102.3mph between two mileposts on the route.

[@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz385]

But he's got no dome. Never trust domeless engines, they're not respectable.

[@johngoody7220]

DalekSupremeWithCheese she hit 100 mph before the lner could be think of

[@marichat1256]

Johngoody it’s a reverence. Plus there’s no actual evidence that it went 100 MPH

[@Rosie6857]

There is strong evidence that she did the ton. I have seen Rous-Marten's stopwatch figures. You can certainly claim 100 mph but not 102.3

[@packr72]

Been waiting for this one. Lovely machine

[@jacoblyman9441]

That spinning turntable is oddly hypnotic.

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

Despite being a canadian, i cheer for truro, not 999. Also, scott still has a record, fastest unstreamlined steamer ever

[@KorraDaTrainBuff]

Is it possible to find out if COT is really capable of going 100? Maybe NRM could find out in the near future, when she gets re-serviced.

[@johnestowell]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong but I can't remember if it was very late 50's or early 60's but I was on an Ian Allan excursion and it was hauled by 3440 and was able to reach 100mph on the trip to Eastleigh via Swindon.

[@WasatchGarandMan]

British Steam's aesthetic never seemed to leave tje Victorian era, Very unique.

[@michaelwhite8031]

I love 4-4-0 trains. Thanks

[@teescottageguyproductions]

I love your videos, they are fantastic

[@JaeV2000]

We have some soul survivers at SVR e.g 1501 the ivitt 4mt and the mougle which I'm shure your aware of so I hope to see them on this soon

[@ChristheXelent]

+GWR23 Studios I'll cover those when I get the chance. All I really need is for them to stand still in a photogenic place for a couple of hours

[@haj9897]

pendennis castle's profile picture

[@masterfarr8265]

the dome-less one

[@Hobson-qe3ln]

Great video

[@iron1349]

Never seen a sole SLIP where the subject was rotating. I guess you went there to film it while it was rotating

[@ChristheXelent]

Ferris Welker I literally had no idea she was going to be on the turntable until I got there. It was unfortunate, as it didn't offer up as many shots as I would have liked. But when she was spun, I felt that I had to take my chance

[@iron1349]

Chris Eden-Green Definitely a unique series of shots for a sole SLIP.

[@Oh_well339]

The special visitor...

[@danielferstendig]

it's the famous visitor he has no dome never trust domeless they aren't respectable.

[@MogamiK32]

City of Turo appeared in a Thomas and firends episode special visitor

[@lukespillman1313]

PineappleTurddle never trust domeless engines they aren't respectable

[@BelcarrigFarm]

he went a hundred miles an hour before you were even thought of

[@thurstablelane7567]

Give me Flying Scotsman any day.....Funny about the LNER saving Truro, Now the GWR have to thank the LNER for something..

[@dragonzilla6482]

LNER 4489 TC You could say the LNER were rivals with the LMS, but has a soft spot for GWR.

[@thurstablelane7567]

Dragon Zilla Absolutely, Funny I like the LMS but just have not time for GWR engines

[@Jimboliah3985]

Then again, if you look at LMS 6201 Princess Elizabeth and compare her to any of the GWR King Class 4-6-0's, there are PLENTY of similarities... Most notibaly: 4 cylinders, outside cylinders sitting behind the driving wheels and how those steam pipes feeding the outside cylinders are curved. Heck, William Stannier actually worked on the GWR, under the supervision of G.J. Churchward, I think.

[@Rosie6857]

Stanier was Collet's deputy. The only way Stanier could get the top job was to move. He went to the LMS in 1932 and turned them into something decent because prior to that LMS locos were a bit of a dog's dinner, with a few exceptions.

[@alexwright6038]

The Flying Scotsman would never have made the ton without the GWR loaning LNER a castle to try for a fortnight. The LMS were so impressed when they borrowed one, they first asked for 200, when this was rejected they asked for the plans. In the end they just hired the deputy CME from the GWR

[@CelestinaakaClonaClox9999]

I think City of Truro was the first to go 100 mph. But Flying Scotsman was the first one to have been recorded which is why it's so debatable.

[@ketch_up]

So it still rotates into service? Seems like there would be a straightforward way to the the top speed then?

[@MsCreepyChan]

To be fair, they have done the math on City of Truro and they have figured out that yes, she would be capable of that speed.

[@Luke-li5gj]

Personally I don't believe City of Truro went 100mph first but the cities are still one of my favourite classes.

[@cityjamesman1306]

Luke Dunckley well City of Truro did go 100mph but there wasent a proof but you have point

[@welsh_Witch]

The th8ng is why would the driver lie it wouldn't benefit him

[@theguyfromhell2]

@@cityjamesman1306 i've seen just as much saying she could/did do it as i have things saying she couldn't. it's an inconclusive arguement, the best we have is truro MIGHT have done while scotsman DID do it. If it comesto light that truro actually did do and there's sufficient evidence then i'm fine with being wrong here, it's just not going to change the fact that scotsman was the first to do it officially

[@RedGemAlchemist]

There is only one other engine more deserving of a Sole SLIP than City of Truro. Awaiting a future one on Flying Scotsman.

[@zem2point0]

Excellent video!

[@lloydburchell222]

I managed to see it in Swindon Railway Museum a couple of years ago.

[@ZipZeroYT]

Never trust domeless engines, Theyre not respectable

[@CW56]

ZedstackZip05 Emily is also a dome less engine. I wonder how she would react to Gordon’s quote “never trust domeless engines, they aren’t respectable.”

[@streamleazefishhouse]

GWR and LNER, were they ever really rivals? They operated in complete different parts of the country. Nice video :)

[@ChristheXelent]

streamleazefishhouse They certainly were as far as locomotive technology goes. When Collet's first Castle was exhibited next to Flying Scotsman in 1924, there was much debate over who had the better engine. And after a few trials, the Castles proved to match the original A1s on performance but burn less coal. It took some modifications on Gresley's part, inspired (to some degree) by what made the Castles work so well, for the A3s to materialise and improve the LNER's image.

[@thomasgray4188]

Chris Eden-Green did you know that on the exchange trials pendenis castle was examined by the LNER and compared to an a1 this resulted in the modifications that lead to the a3 pacific

[@Tottleminerftw]

While they never confirmed she did do it first did they at least try to see if she could do it

[@omegadavids6362]

City of Truro in 30s: The Legend is Born City of Truro in 2022: Alive with Mallard and Shakira

[@oscillation9814]

If someone ever goes back in time, oh you know what'll be done with Truro.. ;)

[@ajaxengineco]

erm?

[@olly5764]

I'm not entirely sure what double frames, an open cab and small tender have to do with her abilities at speed, surely power output, driving wheel size, ability to get the steam in and out of the cylinders are more important?

[@ChristheXelent]

True. But build quality and fragility, crew testosterone and the necessary fuel capacity to reach that speed are not things to be overlooked; especially on appearance.

[@olly5764]

Chris Eden-Green interestingly an Atbara had been clocked at 96 on the same road with a similar load two weeks earlier

[@Rosie6857]

It's just the old-fashioned appearance. The factors you mention are much more important but ironically City of Truro has slide valves which means rather tortuous steam passages. If fitted with well-designed piston valves (and there's room for them) less steam would have been needed. As it was, the loco had to be slaughtered (like Mallard later) and could not have kept up that steam rate for long. Unlike Mallard it didn't do itself any damage, GW locos always being robustly engineered.

[@ajaxengineco]

Robustly engineered(impressive pause) finally aomeone agrees with me!

[@steamie98]

Do you believe that she went 100+mph?

[@EddieMillerStudios]

Never trust domeless engines; they're not respectable!

[@mickwool7248]

There is still another city left omg

[@garenkidd4536]

You should do something for Iron Duke

[@ridefree2153]

Why can't they try and prove it did do 102mph again

[@jimmymccartney2049]

Year built:April,1903

[@steamgent4592]

Did they remodel the NRM in recent years? The building around the turntable looks different and where did the smokejacks go above the engines surrounding it? Or is there more than one turntable?

[@jeremycooper2469]

Slight error in your video - Truro's tender is actually only 3,000 gallon capacity. Either that or when I was her fireman they fit a water gauge on the tender that lied about how much water it could take! Also, I believe that the GWR asked the LNER to preserve her, as the former wanted her to live on as evidence that it had been the GWR who broke the ton, but had no desire (or facilities) to retain responsibility for her upkeep! Still, loved the video, and love Truro!

[@ChristheXelent]

Jeremy Cooper I'll own up to my ignorance and declare I got my tenders mixed up. My bad. As for the GWR asking the LNER, that makes more sense now you mention it. But given their rivalry by this point (and the fact that Gresley had studied what made the Castles better steamers than his A1s by now), the casual observer could assume the LNER were in a position to say "no". An old Eastern Region driver tipped me off about this story arc, but not those finer details. His views were far more dismissive than my own, so I felt there was a need to redress some balance. Still, I'm glad you enjoyed it despite the niggles.

[@WD060T]

Chris Eden-Green The story as I understand it was the GWR directors had no interest in the preservation of the engine however the CME Charles Benjamin Collett did, he approached the LNER after suggesting the idea to Sir Nigel Gresley. This may not be the case, it is just what I have read (from several sources however) Excellent SLIP though regardless although I am biased being a Cornishman myself

[@_chp_]

the class 2p looks to close to turo it has two small wheels at the front and to giant ones behind them too...

[@TKSP4449]

Just to ask, if you could do an episode on a certain American steam locomotive, which one do you think you would like to do?

[@bskorupk]

I'm wondering what the horsepower curve is on the city's. if it can produce enough horsepower at high speeds, the downhill gradient might have been enough to do it. Also could wind have been a contributing factor?

[@chrisredding6673]

The old Enginemen were artists, who could get the best from their 'small' engines. The Citys were always known as a free-running speedy loco. Downhill with a light load? In the days before speedometers I wouldn't be surprised if other engines had touched the 'ton' unobserved BEFORE Truro :-)

[@Froggyman145]

Record-setter or not, you gotta admit, she's a beaut.

[@liammcgrath4207]

Fair play to the LNER for preserving a loco from a rival company

[@garenkidd4536]

How would we ever know that city of traowith bringing the mail

[@FancyPantsLand]

I think they should try to get City Of Truro up to 100mph, and properly test it this time, just to see if the myth is true.

[@someguy3162]

They would probably break her during the run considering her age

[@rockstarrob766]

I thought that City Of Truro number was 3440

[@masterfarr8265]

Ooh a celebrity

[@edwardo6834]

Never trust domeless engines, they aren’t respectable

[@zoombini1831]

City of Truro hit 100 mph, change my mind

[@NorthWestern1919]

But it's got no dome. It's not respectable.

[@TakeMeToChurchill]

Hey Chris, question for you. I'm gonna be in London from the US for about 4 days in August and I'm trying to figure out which preserved railway would be best to go to. Any suggestions? Thinking Nene Valley as Tornado's going to be there that weekend.

[@ericAviles-hy9gm]

Maybe the LNER preserved City Of Try to because of it possibly or most likely being it's ancestor to going 100 mph but either way this engine is nice but surprising a 4-4-0 tender engine could get that speed even with a bigger boiler but at least some GWR engines were saved unlike other railways locos especially BR.

[@oliverrowell3370]

Great video chris. Don't mind me asking, could you do "lode star" as a sole slip.

[@BalticFilms144]

COT is basically a mirror of NYC 999. Both don't have concrete evidence of reaching 100mph, but because of the claim, it lead to both of them being saved from scrap, and both are well designed locomotives. (Btw they both averaged 80mph or so. Nothing more.)

[@russellgxy2905]

I can completely agree with that. 4-4-0's of that time can't have reached the ton. I'll be generous and say they cracked 90 instead though.

[@biglittlerailroad874]

What about the claim that PRR E2 #7002 reached 127.6 mph in 1905?

[@Ty-yt3lj]

Big little Railroad ha. No

[@TheRubberDuck]

It's always a 50/50 discussion over her achievement, I always like to think that she did achieve it however :)

[@andrewclayton4181]

It must have been close enough. The claim would have been dismissed if it had been an impossibility.

[@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS]

She broke 100 miles an hour on my birthday!

[@984francis]

You mean you were never born?😆

[@BHuang92]

So basically, a steam locomotive was saved because of a rumor.....

[@bvisc0547]

They got the speed from timing milepost to milepost

[@JaeV2000]

Why does she have the wrong number in this video

[@NWR1991]

GWR23 Studios That was her number from 1912

[@JaeV2000]

OK though it was

[@bingola45]

NWR1991 Is that why the frames are the wrong colour?

[@NWR1991]

I don't know

[@JaeV2000]

oh yes i remember now

[@davindean6780]

You forgot that city of truro was in thomas the tank engine

[@ChristheXelent]

And?

[@hi-ot8kf]

Chris Eden-Green someone said he was not trusted because he has no dome

[@Trainboy452]

Gordon said that.

[@CW56]

Chris doesn’t talk about Thomas because he prefers to discuss real steam locomotives.

[@mreddiemcdeady4465]

City of Truro is England's fourth fastest steam locomotive infront of Flying Scotsman. I don't know which engine are second and third.

[@mreddiemcdeady4465]

DanielW3440 Mallard is first fool. PLUS I SAID Second and third. Not bloody firs

[@mreddiemcdeady4465]

DanielW3440 Papyrus sounds right.

[@DagorDagorathSauron]

And one of the Duchesses which achieved 114 mph at one point

[@doctoremil2678]

DanielW3440 There is also 35003 "Royal Mail" with 105 mph.

[@michaelnaisbitt1590]

Look at the shear mathematics involved here size of cyclinder boiler pressure adhesion weight the drag on external connecting rods diameter of driving wheel and it's attractive effort all preclude that it would be impossible to travel at 100 mph

[@naven2802]

Personally, I believe that city of Truro was the first locomotive to reach 100mph; after all, GWR weren’t the type to lie.

[@bittern4464]

Which is why they preserved the first engine to hit 100mph right? Oh, nevermind, the LNER preserved Truro...

[@garryferrington811]

Well, it probably was pretty fast. Anyway, it's elegant.

[@michaelnaisbitt1590]

It has been proven mathematically that a locomotive of this size taking into consideration the double frames the Stevenson valve gear the boiler pressure size of cyclinder opencab (aerodynamic drag) and the dynamic forces at work with outside connecting rods that it would be beyond the locomotive to exceed 100 mph as claimed Its a matter of pure physics

[@sawspitfire422]

IDK about this one, it boggles my mind that nobody tried to officially attempt a 100mph run since, either it can't be done, or nobody rich enough to try it is as curious as me, and Occam's razor suggests its the former rather than the latter. But still, compared to the Flying Debtman getting it in tip top condition is pocket change, don't you think it would be great to finally over 100 years later get an answer to the question of if its possible?

[@paularowe7651]

Previous comment correction... station, not street! Bloody auto correct!

[@daziriftz]

SR V class 4-4-0 Stowe reached 93.00 mph

[@kenclarke1952]

All this did she or didn't she reach 100 ...got an idea.....that's get it up and running and give it a go!!!!!

[@lukerothwell4253]

Newspaper- FLYING SCOTSMAN REACHES OVER 100MPH GWR- nah mate Truro was made first and can go 100mph so we were the first not LNER Newspaper- have you got proof? GWR- shoot but we can try 3 DAYS LATER Newspaper- CITY OF TRURO REACHED 100MPH! Brah everybody knew she was the first fastest British steam train to go 100MPH.

[@thesuperloregod4815]

NTDE (Never Trust Domeless Engines)

[@RailwayProductions-nd3tx]

Scotsmans Claim to fame of speed isnt exactly 100% worthy, It was the first actual full account, but, Truro did achieve 102.3 mph. The time between mile posts was recorded and have been found. Showing that it hit 102.3mph. It was on a downhill section with 4 post sorting offices, 1 Traveling post office (with pick up and drop of net) and 1 van with gold ingots from america. (Not very big train). Then it was achieved going down a steep hill and the tender had just refilled up on water. And the driving wheels are pretty big.

[@cityjamesman1306]

RailwayProductions 2210 well City of Truro did Reach 102 mph but there wasent any proof but Flying Scotsman had a proof and still can be seen around the world

[@RailwayProductions-nd3tx]

City of Truro/James the cat/Receptive Peter man True. But I think the timing papers exist

[@mhdfrb9971]

The bullet train of 1900s

[@rayhagele]

The engine that needs no introduction for railfans!

[@TheRedboy262]

dude truro is not a city

[@ChristheXelent]

Tell that to the GWR

[@Palifiox]

According to one definition, it is a city if it has a cathedral, and Truro has a cathedral

[@cityjamesman1306]

will penrose the Engine is called City of Truro

[@IAM-us9op]

CITY OF TRURO WAS BASED BY CITY OF TRURO 🤣🤣🤣

[@Astr0_Feline]

Never trust domeless engine, they’re not respectable

[@eb2588]

The fastest 2-4-4!

[@someguy3162]

4-4-0

[@Trainboy452]

Ha. So he says. But I didn't like his looks. He's got no dome. Never trust domeless engines. They aren't respectable. I never boast but I'll say 100 mph will be easier for me. Good bye.