Easily Survive Physical Damage Without Armor!

[@Dr3adful]

a good option to fix the bleed problem is Apeps Supremecy that makes it so when you are poisoned, you take physical as chaos damage. obviously very niche, but the upgraded version also gives you 3% max res. now you'd have to apply very small poisons with a golden rule, which is the hardest part obviously.

[@Tenkiei]

Apep's Supremacy is a great!

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

I like the Purity of Fire approach, especially this patch. You can do it as a Chieftain, but the newly buffed Cloak of Flame means you don't even have to. You get 40% conversion of ALL phys dmg from that, 20% from Dawnbreaker, 10% from Watcher's Eye, another 10% or so from your Timeless jewel (you can use PoB to find the right seeds to get nodes with phys taken as fire) that you'll want anyway for the Tempered by War keystone and upto another 18% from your helmet from both the explicit Betrayal mod and the implicit Eldritch mod. That's 98% phys taken as fire even for non-Chieftains! The nice thing about it is that you also convert all the cold and lightning dmg you take to fire damage, if you have a PoF Sublime Vision (50% from Tempered by War, 30% from Sublime Vision, 20% from Dawnbreaker), so you only need fire res (which you'll have plenty of from Cloak of Flame and Purity of Fire), chaos res and as much max fire res as possible (upto the 90% cap). But the problem is that a PoF Sublime Vision is expensive! It's like 50 divines atm. But that's why I said THIS PATCH. Firstly because Cloak of Flame was buffed this patch and so you don't need to be a Chieftain anymore. But also because the new Shadowed Rings can serve as a cheap substitute for Sublime Vision until you can afford it. The only issue with them is they don't affect DoTs, so cold DoTs are a vulnerability (light DoTs are rare).

[@andrewpol8686]

Taken as is very very cool mechanic. You can also mention it protects before elemental penetrations (like shaper balls) and physical overwhelm.

[@demetris6214]

Damn this opens so many options for the builds I am tinkering with. I always end up with he question of how to mitigate phys hits and end up dreading determination and scrapping the build altogether. This way I can get more creative. Thanks!

[@Tenkiei]

You're welcome.

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

If you go elementalist, I find the pyroshock clasp belt to be quite nice. It has health, dex, and evasion (which is useful for my build) increased ailment duration, and converts part of physical damage taken to fire of electric, if you have shocked or ignited someone. Grabbing shaper of storms is nice for an ignite build, for instance, and means that any igniting hit is going to convert up to 30% of enemy physical damage to elemental

[@Tenkiei]

@@skinnysnorlax1876 While pyroshock clasp is very good one thing to keep in mind: Converting enemy damage is slightly different from damage shifting IE: if you have lightning coil (50%), Pyroshock (30% enemy phys conversion) and Taste of Hate with some flask effect (20%) if an enemy tries to hit you for 1000 phys damage they hit you for 700 phys, 150 fire, 150 lightning after pyroshock clasp. Then your shifting converts 350 to lightning, 140 to cold. So you take 150 fire damage, 140 cold damage, 500 lightning damage, 210 physical damage.

[@aarons3014]

This was extremely helpful, thank you.

[@Tenkiei]

You're welcome!

[@briankay3146]

This plays into the offense/defense synnergy too but currently playing a poison build that takes all the skill duration nodes with the guard skill armor cluster. Molten shell lasts 7 seconds and vaal molten shell lasts 27 seconds. Poisons also stack to ridiculous amounts too.

[@demetris6214]

Skill effect duration does not affect poison. Poison and ailment duration does.

[@briankay3146]

@@demetris6214 pob is scaling the damage

[@alecsimard7253]

@@briankay3146 only with viper strike as the poison is an inherent part of the skill if that is what you were checking with. other poison will not be scaled by skill effect duration.

[@briankay3146]

@@alecsimard7253 I am running viper strike. Was hoping that the same would apply to other skills that inherently poison like cobra lash but i haven't tested other poison abilities. The molten shell duration is decent, makes me want to try hardcore again haha

[@CowPimp]

Good video, though I think it was also worth mentioning somewhere that this defense works well with armour, not just as a substitute for armour. With a bit of damage shift and/or % physical damage reduction, you can really shore up that weakness of armour. Still, it's great to showcase an alternative means of mitigating physical damage, and I get that armour is popular right now, so the focus was on an alternative that is probably underused.

[@Tenkiei]

True it does also work to amplify armor. But I felt like it was important to focus on it as an alternative because I agree armor is overly used atm and I value showing people things they might not be thinking about.

[@guillaume6459]

I did play around Divine flesh + Incandescent heart + Forbidden taste (w/ savage hit trigger). I like this setup for ignites builds. Giving you also a ton of chaos resistance. The damage over time is a weakness tho, but arakali good and dot mastery gives you 20% less damage from dot. I do not have money for that but you should be able to have 100% physical taken as without a body piece making this really good for doryanni prototype.

[@elainealbay7865]

Chieftan Node Tasalio my personal MVP. I've never considered going for even more physical taken as something else but I think I'm going to. I like making builds with the idea of low life pool characters with high damage mitigation and high life regeneration. The more damage you mitigate, the more value your regen has. Agnostic allowing you to convert mana regeneration into life regeneration fits very well with this idea. So I think the value tasalio has on agnostic builds in terms of survivability is great

[@bramborneman353]

i am currently planning on playing a form of group ssf with some good friends of mine next league, and i was planning on playing the build in this video. Poison scourge arrow pathfinder with the possibility of swapping to sst in the late game if i get gear and it feels ok (inspired by mathil). this video really gave me some good idea's for things to farm and look out for and seriously changed my early game progression outlook for the character.

[@IslayToMuch]

I use lightning coil before the nurf and now with the reverse its worth using again, and it's easy to mitigate the downside, you basically can go screw grace determination, and go full conversation and get 90 all res, if you can go CI and get a % to chaos then your even tanker.

[@Noobificado]

Good video. I was thinking on trying to make a build using a similar concept (Before the divines changes) For elemental: Dawnbreaker + Sublime Vision (Purity of fire) + Tempered by war For phys: Tasalio, Cleansing water + Dawnbreaker + Cloak of flames + Helmet of the underground (fire) + Eater of worlds helmet influence No idea what I would do besides trying to get some extra maximum fire res. And Zdps, since i cant even begin to think what will be my damage source.

[@lavq7000]

This defensive setup should be really strong by itself. If there are no good offensive options for Chieftain (I Guess there should be something tho) , You can use a Berseker and get the Tasalio node via forbidden jewels (which should be pretty cheap)

[@Noobificado]

@@lavq7000 Do you know if fire dot is reduced by fire resistance? If it does, you dont care at all about bleed, nor corrupting blood

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@Noobificado Resistance reduces all damage of that type, be it hits or dots. You can do it as a Chieftain, but the newly buffed Cloak of Flame means you don't even have to. You get 40% conversion of ALL phys dmg from that, 20% from Dawnbreaker, 10% from Watcher's Eye, another 10% or so from your Timeless jewel (you can use PoB to find the right seeds to get nodes with phys taken as fire) that you'll want anyway for the Tempered by War keystone and upto another 18% from your helmet from both the explicit Betrayal mod and the implicit Eldritch mod. That's 98% phys taken as fire even for non-Chieftains! The nice thing about it is that you also convert all the cold and lightning dmg you take to fire damage, so you only need fire res (which you'll have plenty of from Cloak of Flame and Purity of Fire), chaos res and as much max fire res as possible (upto the 90% cap). But the problem is that a PoF Sublime Vision is expensive! It's like 50 divines atm. But this patch made this issue a bit less of a problem, because the new Shadowed Rings can serve as a cheap substitute for Sublime Vision until you can afford it. The only issue with them is they don't affect DoTs, so cold DoTs are a vulnerability (light DoTs are rare).

[@lavq7000]

@@Noobificado fire resistance Will reduce the damage of fire dot. But not all the sources of damage Taken converted to fire work on dots. For example, I think that the Tasalio Acendancy especifies : "from hits" So it is posible that You Will need bleed and corrupted blood inmunity and at least 75% cold and lightning resist.

[@Theta40]

The new Gravicious mod on body armour has been very helpful for me this league.

[@sjatar_]

I believe that if you manage to convert all phys to other types a hit that would apply bleed no longer does ^^ But if you take just 1% as phys you'd still get bleed for the full amount, only works if you manage to convert all the damage.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

Where did you hear this? I've never seen that mentioned on the wiki.

[@IsHeHigh]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn only physical damage can apply a bleed. It must hit, and be a hit for physical damage to even be able to apply a bleed.

[@sjatar_]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn can't give you a source sadly, it's something I remembered hearing or testing myself. Played Poe for a long time hehe

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@IsHeHigh The part that confuses me is when he says even if we take just 1% phys dmg we'd be inflicted with a bleed for the full amount. That doesn't sound right to me.

[@IsHeHigh]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn that's not quite true. Bleed is based on the hit taken, not what the hit would've been if you took it. A bleed for 1% of the original hit does 1% of the damage.

[@seikojin]

I haven't and I was thinking about it last night, before seeing this. LOL

[@allmybasketsinoneegg]

I'm using Doppelgängers Guise this league to just take 40% less phys and chaos. Makes a massive difference. Main build last league I just had 12k armour, fortify and 4 endurance charges, 50% attack and spell block and 100% chance to suppress.... She had enough defensive layers that it wasn't a problem.

[@vathiosdaggerblade2586]

Poe is the funnest kind of homework

[@rtc2323]

You forgot to mention Dopplegänger's Guise for phys mitigation

[@Tenkiei]

Doppel works differently it's "less" physical damage taken meaning it acts on the phys damage you take as opposed to shifting it.

[@voodoo1069]

The red beam from defiled Cathedral boss and others like it fucking owns you with this set up if you even put a pinky toe in it lol however outside of that pretty darn tanky.

[@Tenkiei]

I believe that's a phys/chaos DoT (based off its color) which would explain why it does so much damage.

[@Redbeak94]

Formless inferno is build enabling to many of my templars. as i find many of the passive tree armor clusters simply arent worth the investment.

[@Tenkiei]

It's a very good item that doesn't get used too often.

[@dbgarf]

worth pointing out that taking Phys as Lightning damage means that you can now get Shocked by enemy crits (or other ways they might inflict ailments) from mobs that wouldn't have been able to shock you otherwise. having ailment immunity is a REALLY good idea if you're using this type of defense.

[@Tenkiei]

In this build I have both ailment, and crit immunity. But I'd say speaking broadly it's best to get ailment immunity on most builds these days.

[@Notsogoodguitarguy]

Phys taken as was one of the first things I tried to build in PoE. I did it with a jug, however, because I didn't know how things worked, and I thought that if I have 10 Endurance Charges, resulting in 50% reduced phys taken with the Jugg ascendancy, I thought I only needed 50% converted from phys to elemental to be immune to phys. Safe to say, it didn't really work out. And I wasn't as tanky as I hoped. But it was still a pretty tanky build. The problem was the complete lack of damage xD

[@Tenkiei]

Sounds like a good first attempt at least!

[@paoloaldesino7721]

talking about phys damage mitigation, @Tenkiei, does "additional phisical damage reduction" affixes mitigate phys dots? and, how does it differ from armour?

[@IsHeHigh]

Yes it does. PDR is a flat stat that applies after the effects of armour. It is simply "less physical damage taken". It is still affected by Overwhelm and can be reduced itself, but it is applied after armour in the damage equation and scales in a completely linear way. I'm completely making up numbers here, just to illustrate the differences... but let's say that you have 5000 armour and 10% PDR. You take a hit for 100 and your armour reduces that by 90% to 10, your PDR then reduces that post-mitigation damage by 10% and you take 9 damage. Same armour and PDR but a hit of 1000 and now your armour only reduces that by 50% because armour is less effective against larger hits. Your PDR now applies to the remaining 500 damage and reduces it by 10%, so you take 450 damage. Made up numbers, but the concept is sound. Physical Damage Reduction is always expressed as a flat percentage and applied after armour (which is expressed as a number and then compared against the size of the hit to find its % reduction in the armour calculation). PDR also works against bleeds, debuffs, etc... Whereas armour works only against hits.

[@julianmorales5985]

Thanks for your hard work but...when are we going to get the scourge arrow build???

[@meph5291]

Thank you!

[@TheBlackKnightmare]

Ten i play Boneshatter jug with doppelganger. I get around 30k armour atm though i will upgrade this significantly over time. I was curious if you know how armour affects self inflicted physical damage because it seems to... not. And yet so many BS jugs stack armour even b4 the new ascendancy which imho is stupidly powerful with any elemental conversion (especially if you triple dip as it effectively triples the effect all things being equal)

[@Tenkiei]

Armor effects the self-damage from boneshatter. But 30,000 is probably too low to mitigate it.

[@TheBlackKnightmare]

@@Tenkiei i wondered because the self inflicted damage is 95 per swing but i have 65% physical damage reduction as well as that armour and the 40% less from doppel and ~20% less from arctic armour. Assuming the wiki is right i was expecting the true damage b4 armour to be less than 30 which is 1/1000 of my armour meaning 90% reduction for sure on that first hit and yet it isnt.

[@gremiocopeiro83]

Im was pretty sure that, if you take 100% phys as X you don't take bleed damage as you need to take some sorte of phys damage to apply the bleeding (like you cant be naturally ignited by cold damage for instance). Sadge to be wrong

[@Tenkiei]

It depends on how you shift the damage. For example Cloak of Flame says "40% of physical damage taken as fire" but Lightning Coil says "50% of physical damage from hits taken as fire" so Cloak of Flame would shift the damage from bleed, and Lightning Coil would not. Edit: Oh you mean on the enemy side. I'm pretty sure bleed is calculated at a step before shifting but I could be wrong about that. Also some enemies have ways to break the normal rules such as "all damage inflicts X"

[@Billionsmustchill]

Would something like damage recoup also be very good at defending against big physical hits? Like using your general armor for small hits and using recoup to defend against big hits where armor isn't as effective. Might be wrong tho

[@Tenkiei]

The main danger with big physical hits is 1-shot, so recoup would excel vs the small hits but not the big ones.

[@Billionsmustchill]

@@Tenkiei Yeah nevermind my comment, I just realized that all this time I was completely misunderstanding how recoup works lol. I actually thought it behaves the same way like petrified blood... bruh

[@taiwanisacountry]

Yeah I did so for many leagues, 3 leagues ago I went all in and got 100% Phys taken as X on my Zerker, I had 40+ mild DPS and I was immortal. I used Transendance for additional immortality, it was great. Fast, tanky, did deep delving for fun had no issues with anything, this was doing AN league, so it was not easy to get 100% Phys taken as X, but there was no real threat from degen everywhere. My guy is rather squishy when it comes to DoT, and that is my mistake.

[@Tenkiei]

This is why I'm running the ele flasks, to deal with DoTs.

[@HenriHakl]

Currently my solution is to get to 90% physical damage mitigation without armour. An important new tool for me in this regard is that eldritch mods on body armour can grant 20+% more warcry effect. Along with Natural Authority that means more than 50% warcry effect, which in turn means the Enduring Cry buff grants 3% instead of 2% additional mitigation per endurance charge. Along with flat physical mitigation from armour, shield, etc it is not that hard to have 90% mitigation all the time.

[@IsHeHigh]

The problem for most chaos builds is how absolutely impossible this makes your suffixes

[@toledoxoberst2836]

i played a poisonous concoction build with divine flesh and a few things that gave phys taken as chaos. i think i got about 30%. very tanky, not much damage. a lot of opportunity cost to get to 89% max chaos res

[@Tenkiei]

89% is a big ask, but I think if you scaled it back to 83% or so it might have been a bit easier to manage opportunity cost wise.

[@toledoxoberst2836]

@@Tenkiei definitely. i tend to go overboard making my own builds :p

[@JetBlackThreat]

big brain moves

[@kidze73]

how can i achieve 100% or at least very high phys taken as non-phys when i play a Chamion?

[@Axcelll]

Super off-topic comment but what MTX are you using on your character? Looks cool!

[@Tenkiei]

It's the sentinel overlord pack from a few years ago

[@Axcelll]

@@Tenkiei Ah damn, missed out on it then. Thanks for the reply though!

[@yingchin]

How about shifting Cold and Lighting to fire by Using chieftain example Shift 100% fire to physical by Rat cage Use Null and void glove, scale the 1.5s Immunity to Physical Damage by self curse temporal chain to 6s or more Spam The Writhing Jar every 5s after rampage (Tier1 , 2, 3 only) as 15 kill required to trigger "on" rampage Get immunity to bleed. Throw in CI , An immortal build?

[@Tenkiei]

Shifted damage cannot be re-shfited. I'm also not sure there's any way to extend null and void's effect by that much.

[@alexanderhuliakov6012]

Lightning coil? I have 2.0 nostalgy.

[@Tenkiei]

It got a large buff in 3.19 alongside cloak of flame so both are excellent now.

[@boeserKadser]

Ok, how much res of a certain element do i need to make this viable? Is 75% viable or should i aim for 90?

[@Tenkiei]

Depends on what you're trying to tank. Right now I have 75% res and 35-40% less elemental damage taken from flasks. So if you aren't using ele flasks something like 80% res should feel comfy.

[@Raminotaur]

I'm sorry if you answered this somewhere else already, but is it easy to transition to this from your poison concotion pathfinder build? I assume it's pretty easy to transition, and that poison pathfinder build has been fantastic, but at 93 and in high tier red maps I still get one shot sometimes. 100% conversion sounds like a great way to do that. I only have about 27% right now.

[@xue_ming]

i build the same as he build his character and can tell you its very strong i die most time because i not dodge thing or because i monster get to strong in lake of kalandra with difficulty, but in map i can tank almost anything, i feel almost as tanky as my previous league RF with 90 elemental resist & 85 chaos resist.

[@Tenkiei]

It's a pretty easy transition and if you want you can check out my livestream where I converted my character over.

[@7errafirma]

Divine flesh also prevents penetration on the part of the damage that is taken as chaos. So, it not only mitigates the damage tremendously, but also does so further, by mitigating the effect of penetration. I am not a competitive player in this game, so I'll never understand how people are so good at manual dodging and play the game with no defenses; for me, the game is unplayable without divine flesh.

[@Tenkiei]

A lot of practice. There are definitely fights I can dodge like that but other fights I haven't practiced enough.

[@sebastiancuk7004]

The Best way to mitigate phys damage is not to take phys damage

[@Tenkiei]

Exactly.

[@khaledyasser8293]

Would spell suppression affect a physical hit taken as elemental damage?

[@ShyDream_]

as long as it's a spell, yes

[@sebastjankosec]

Pog vid

[@MrSpajons]

yes pob please

[@desolater543]

Gotta love ggg 40% was op so let's bring it back up to 50% from the 30% we nerfed it to. Can they stop gutting shit just to bring back the exact same things later I'm looking at you chaining off tornado frost wall died for your sins...

[@바다-v4o]

Pob please

[@princecuddle]

Nobody used lightning coil for a very long time because evasion builds were in such a shit state also influenced chests made most unique bodies irrelevant cause not optimal.

[@lavq7000]

But now it has been buffed. It is a viable and cheaper option than most influenced armours

[@sticky3791]

Pob please