[Solo Leveling: Arise] - My honest experience as F2P! Is this game F2P friendly? The Good & Bad

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@l0rd_grim340
@l0rd_grim340 8 ай бұрын
W also another + is that you don't need to stress Bout competing with others. And can play at your own pace
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Very true!
@ThatOneKid45620
@ThatOneKid45620 8 ай бұрын
Fr
@NewSunGambit
@NewSunGambit 8 ай бұрын
knowing both sides of the game is huge
@Emitts_Official
@Emitts_Official 8 ай бұрын
nah , being f2p is the huge side being a whale doesn't earn u knowledge since u grind on easy mode with money u don't research as f2p
@NewSunGambit
@NewSunGambit 8 ай бұрын
@Emitts_Official as a p2w myself I highly disagree I research and try everything
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Being a whale is huge knowledge lol. How do you think I'm able to tell you guys which SR to use and test? This is an odd comment
@orkunoguz890
@orkunoguz890 8 ай бұрын
​@@PayneBladewhale shaming never ends, just keep up with what you're doing! i watch all your videos and they helped me alot with my progress ❤
@mishaamyousuf1834
@mishaamyousuf1834 8 ай бұрын
He's just jealous​@@PayneBlade
@Hensleytheofficial
@Hensleytheofficial Ай бұрын
This game is a waste of
@GodUchihaTempest
@GodUchihaTempest 7 ай бұрын
my f2p exp has been cruddy so far im on chapter 8 stuck on the final boss not even had one ssr weapon or unit from all my pulls can truly tell this is an netmarble game the way it also spams u with pay walls and subscritions right off the bat >>>> getting gold for f2p is not good so u gotta stick with upgrading an certain weapon or hunters unless u pay
@RitzStarr
@RitzStarr 3 ай бұрын
skill issue
@VezoloMike
@VezoloMike 7 ай бұрын
No worries all netmarble games after 1 year will get alot freebies. i play sv1 ,sv2 , nino x world from netmarble. all f2p after 1 year the amount of freebies is insane
@YuVhon
@YuVhon 7 ай бұрын
Waw the gold economy ia so bad ill be dropping this soon it was promising though
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 7 ай бұрын
It's way better in global and isn't a problem later on
@youssefkharbosh1469
@youssefkharbosh1469 7 ай бұрын
for an F2P, you would need to be a farmer for some time
@anticlimactic165
@anticlimactic165 7 ай бұрын
Just tried the game. some packs i can afford, but i would not be buying anything so that its easier for me to drop the game without regrets if i find that the game is too p2w or if f2p gap is too much.
@ParziV
@ParziV 7 ай бұрын
Dogshit game only buffering
@SLIMEYSeb
@SLIMEYSeb 7 ай бұрын
Anyone whose played one piece bounty rush gonna be the best at the mechanic
@mixture6696
@mixture6696 7 ай бұрын
How do you know that the author is biased? by an unnaturally large number of sweet adjectives.
@ihebchanbi8005
@ihebchanbi8005 7 ай бұрын
the best f2p game i have ever played
@leonk6149
@leonk6149 8 ай бұрын
nah game is far from f2p and im saying it as someone who has paid more than 200€
@Swazoo
@Swazoo 8 ай бұрын
EricTheBoi FROM REDDIT BROUGHT ME HERE!!!!
@OxeRjxy
@OxeRjxy 8 ай бұрын
I am f2p and I have a lot of ssr hunters no sir weapons tho
@arashi4219
@arashi4219 8 ай бұрын
is it good i have a 2A choi as f2p, the only ssr i have rn is the DKLS, Choi A2 and his weapon, Yoonho, Dongsoo, Vulcan's Rage, Jinchul, and im currenly lvl42. is my progress good?
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
yes very good
@Latinkuro
@Latinkuro 8 ай бұрын
It's a good thing SR are competitive, because getting SSR duplicates to limit break would be a nightmare and the main issue I hate gacha games, so predatory with their practices.
@Luckly
@Luckly 8 ай бұрын
I know you trying speak fast and professional, I would suggest you to say what you want and cut the parts when you get confused, allowing yourself to be wrong and say everything normally this way you can be more confident and less stressed
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
I don't edit ever because I want it to be authentic always. Rather sound human sometimes with mistakes. It's how all my videos are. But I appreciate the advice
@b4g4b3l
@b4g4b3l 8 ай бұрын
When is the release ? Dont want to play with a vpn
@leo_otarola
@leo_otarola 8 ай бұрын
yeah is p2w, but who cares, all the games are the same
@dragoneater2596
@dragoneater2596 8 ай бұрын
Solo Leveling Arise is fun at BASE BUT it's full of dogshit stuff for f2p players. Sure you can't claim the 6 hour daily reward or the upgraded reward as a F2P, BUT WHY KEEP DANGLING IT IN FRONT OF US JUST GREY IT OUT OR NOT HAVE IT BE THERE, if I see the sweep function, daily funds and gate rewards asking me to fucking pay and you'll get these rewards constantly for the following months I'm losing my goddamn mind. Summoning bricks your progression as getting a character from the side story forces you to level them up. Upgrade events are absolutely horrendous whalebaits. Gates is a cool concept until you realize it constantly locks you behind a 10 minute RNG wall for good gates and you can't even sweep the stages and if you say what's the big deal just wait 10 minutes and refresh again well some people have a job and lives to get to, if I have to constantly look back at my game to check up on whether I get shat on by rng for the gates and needing to sit through 10+ stages of this bullshit by the time you're done with the game it ate up your entire rest time. While most games would just require you to do a short to medium time sink into dailies this is THE ONLY GAME THAT FORCES YOU to open the game up again and check constantly for gate refreshes and I'm sorry but that's stupid.
@RealPandaboi
@RealPandaboi 8 ай бұрын
The diffrence between the levels of a f2p and p2w are high i had a f2p acclunt but i decided to reroll and spend some money and the account that i spent money on leveled up way quicker and i got some more rolls in that helped me aswell
@trash1222
@trash1222 8 ай бұрын
I actually got 6 ssr in like 100 spins i didn't rech pity once got me 1000% motivated as a f2p
@vladdreshpak1914
@vladdreshpak1914 8 ай бұрын
My 13th day f2p login today, reached lvl 51 and cleared chapted 15. But i been super grinding and farmed a lot of gear dungeons. 155k power. 😊
@michaelmaiwat634
@michaelmaiwat634 8 ай бұрын
I do the same I have p2w and f2p acc, honestly I'm having fun using my f2p acc the challenge and the fun is right there coz in my p2w acc I'm like a child that good at making mistakes and learning from it I can explore the do's and donts and then become a experience pro using f2p coz being conservative in spending resources is a must😂 there is a different kind of fun and experience being a p2w and f2p player hehe nice content very informative looking forward for more
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Thank you bro and yes it's a way different experience lol. Like night and day
@xreed6048
@xreed6048 8 ай бұрын
Can u pls tell us what stats are you using for sung as a f2p
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/qImUi36Bh7mdi5I all explained here
@Akira-Moun
@Akira-Moun 8 ай бұрын
for me gold is a good thing that it is not much. its like the anime and you must be smart about it when using it
@Roronoa-ou3hl
@Roronoa-ou3hl 8 ай бұрын
Finally, someone who literally explains things not just click baiting with titles such as "SUMMON HACK" 😅 Geez
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
😘😘
@fexrokfeller5212
@fexrokfeller5212 8 ай бұрын
why did monthly packages cost less after the first purchase? Is it forever?
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Just to get you to buy in before it ends haha
@syedinamshah6293
@syedinamshah6293 8 ай бұрын
and for f2p remember to use the blue hair hunter girl she can freeze your enemy giving you time to dish out more attack
@Gonzo0102
@Gonzo0102 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this review, it's so rewarding to know that we can enjoy this game to full without using actual money. One question, Payne. Did you use the same build with Sung in your P2W and in this one? Cus I love the one you made for full crit and perception. Thanks again, your content is so great and transparent, you are the only one I watch.
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Hey Gonzo! I just put out a new Jinwoo stats guide that I did a LOT of testing and str prec is better for both!
@WoWAltoholic
@WoWAltoholic 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, this really helped me to skip this game for now.
@dkshadow23
@dkshadow23 8 ай бұрын
Nah there is some combat issues like when you do a move that has you moving real fast and an effect like poison or that bomb goblin drops a bomb on your circle when your not there and take damage that’s one big issue they gotta fix
@dkshadow23
@dkshadow23 8 ай бұрын
Like what’s the point of having flashy moves that make you teleport all over the place just to still get hit by stuff when not there basically means it’s better to use the simple stuff rather than any weapon with flashy attacks for Sung Jinwoo
@Kk-bq3xw
@Kk-bq3xw 8 ай бұрын
Payne your the best brother 🙏
@rayusingame
@rayusingame 8 ай бұрын
I stopped playing ever crisis when this game came out lol
@izayoiarya
@izayoiarya 8 ай бұрын
End game need more gold, I hope they update for dungeon gold
@user-ue7gt6cr1v
@user-ue7gt6cr1v 8 ай бұрын
The need to fix the gold issue, the artifacts change costing gold, the story mode that forces you to use certain characters if you pulled them then you are screwed you need to spend resources to barely keep them alive, the game wants you to make multiple build but gives zero resources to do it it just dumb
@xdersxufendekxnxkex_4740
@xdersxufendekxnxkex_4740 8 ай бұрын
Hi, i have 1 question for the comunity. I have an ok pc with a rtx 2060 an intel core i7 9700 and 16gb RAM but even on the lowest settings my GPU is running always at 98% and the pc is getting really loud does anyone else has this problem or can help me fix it. Thx for the answeres XDD
@tatsukinomiya
@tatsukinomiya 8 ай бұрын
As an F2P player, I have a A3 Demonic Plum Flower Sword, Thetis Book, Seo Jiwoo, A1 Min, A2 Choi, and overall just a solid account. I didn't re-roll (I never re-roll gachas, ruins the experience for me) and currently almost lv45. The game is good, it's a fun game overall. It STILL need a lot of quality of life features, but I'm certain it will once Global release comes.
@Starry-kun
@Starry-kun 8 ай бұрын
What a lucky guy
@Starry-kun
@Starry-kun 8 ай бұрын
I got A1 demon king long sword, huntsman gun, thetis book, Emma. I also didn't re-roll. The only problem I have now is gold. I only have 4 digits now. Can't level up weapons and supports now 😭😭😭. The scythe is free, isn't it??
@tatsukinomiya
@tatsukinomiya 8 ай бұрын
@Manhwa-kun Yeah bro! The scythe is free which is why I didn't count it. I rolled a scythe, so the free one will be an A1 once I get to it. And YES gold is the only restriction right now
@zeox3338
@zeox3338 8 ай бұрын
Im ftp im lvl 45 with around 9 ssrs in 420 summons its really easy to progress as ftp
@Gunnin_yadown
@Gunnin_yadown 8 ай бұрын
it's easy to progress as a f2p. If you're lucky enough.
@houarikill6187
@houarikill6187 8 ай бұрын
Paynblade i have problem I can't purchase anything from the game it's telling me that this item isn't available in your country I downloaded the game from taptap is that have something to do with it I'm on mobile bye the way
@thegreatkaytee04
@thegreatkaytee04 8 ай бұрын
Anyone knows if the keys from encore & instance dg stacks up if I dont use them all up for the day?
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
They don't stack. U will lose them
@thegreatkaytee04
@thegreatkaytee04 8 ай бұрын
@@PayneBlade i see, thanks! Loved your vids. Anyways, is there any fix to the recovery bug? I can't proceed from chapter 11 since I always die from that elf even though i drain his hp so fast. My quest recovery is not working
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Did u change formations? If u did ur blessing stones is off so see if that is on first
@thegreatkaytee04
@thegreatkaytee04 8 ай бұрын
@@PayneBlade I didn't and the icon for the recovery is also missing. I checked all 3 formations
@Starry-kun
@Starry-kun 8 ай бұрын
​​@@PayneBlade oh thanks. I am also having problem why I didn't get recovery
@JulenSSJ3
@JulenSSJ3 8 ай бұрын
I dont like the progress of the artifacts and weapons, the gates to get random materials and the lack of gold and stages to directly farm what you need is annoying Edit: at least for me
@lorelorule9394
@lorelorule9394 8 ай бұрын
I’m new at the game, I’m currently level 21, I’ve got Choi Jung in and Lim Tae Gyu and i feel so weak. Im currently using a level 40 knight killer and level 40 kasaka fang
@Starry-kun
@Starry-kun 8 ай бұрын
I only level up my fav to 60 and others are around 30. I don't want to waste materials and gold
@QMS9224
@QMS9224 8 ай бұрын
Just subbed, gotta be honest it seems like you are the only content creator on all of youtube that actually has knowledge of the game. I have not played at all and am super excited to play on global launch so your advice is already invaluable. Surprised there's so little info out there, most of the other tier lists and guides I watch are just completely wrong even big creators 😂
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Ty for the kind words!
@bdasaw
@bdasaw 8 ай бұрын
why aren't you playing? its early access right now
@QMS9224
@QMS9224 8 ай бұрын
@@bdasaw I’m just busy and don’t have time anyways. I’m in no rush
@invalid1702
@invalid1702 8 ай бұрын
The gold economy is killing me
@StefanCirko
@StefanCirko 8 ай бұрын
What's your Jinwoo's Build on F2P accounts (Both Stats and Gear)?
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Atm strength and perception and gear is the armed set with expert accessories but far from perfect
@DakDaraN
@DakDaraN 8 ай бұрын
About combat issue, i don't like the fact that when you play with your units and not Woo, and have them on auto, sometimes it starts the ultimate ability and then change to other unit and the ult is lost, in the case of Lim Tae-Gyu at least. Another problem: Stat points for Woo, i don't see the need to put points on something else other than str, i tried many combinations but at the end full str was the best. [ level 48 here so i know what i'm saying ].
@imadlahham7492
@imadlahham7492 8 ай бұрын
Nah thats luck perception and healtj if your bad at dodging (lvl 43)
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
I'm about to show a full stats video with numbers but for my p2w for example agi and perception do more than str
@harlengreen8981
@harlengreen8981 8 ай бұрын
have you cleared chapter 15? I had no extra points in strength hahahah
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Ya I did and same. I had no points in str
@Starry-kun
@Starry-kun 8 ай бұрын
I also did put all stats points to strength at first. But now I changed it to strength and perception. It does more damage than only strength.
@dadpool78
@dadpool78 8 ай бұрын
As an FTP, I've got all SSR characters except emma and 3 of jins' weapons. I'm at level 49, with 150k power. i'll hit level 51 today and finish the main story.
@psy4durezo
@psy4durezo 8 ай бұрын
It still is the honey moon phase. The real f2p experience will start when those story currency dry and new and stronger new characters will come out. For now, ofc everyone is ok except for fuckin gold.
@harlengreen8981
@harlengreen8981 8 ай бұрын
yeah but in saying that the hard modes also a thing and i don’t see ftp players beating it all the way through before new story releases and such especially with the level caps there
@Sebbe33G
@Sebbe33G 8 ай бұрын
netmarble has been pretty generous in grand cross and i feel like you can get a lot of gems from gates
@clashbroroyale
@clashbroroyale 7 ай бұрын
I mean I am one week into the game and I am currently level 42. Stuck at last stage of chapter 11. Will get stronger than beat the stage.
@IJoinedForMisc
@IJoinedForMisc 8 ай бұрын
I see alot of cope in here, this game is P2W trash, and will only get worse with time; like all these types of games. 😂 Keep lying to yourselves
@imadlahham7492
@imadlahham7492 8 ай бұрын
*laughs in f2p and is addicted and has baek yoonho min byung gu lim tae gyu woo jinchul choi jung in huntsman and tjetis gremoire*
@IJoinedForMisc
@IJoinedForMisc 8 ай бұрын
@@imadlahham7492 *and still rank 1000
@Starry-kun
@Starry-kun 8 ай бұрын
I am also P2W and still enjoying this.
@Starry-kun
@Starry-kun 8 ай бұрын
​@@IJoinedForMisc Rank doesn't matter if you can enjoy
@IJoinedForMisc
@IJoinedForMisc 8 ай бұрын
@@Starry-kun Whatever you have to tell yourself to trick yourself into thinking this is a good game 🤑
@Davinci1620
@Davinci1620 8 ай бұрын
Yo payne , can u gimme a suggestion what bundle to buy
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWjYn4Nrg9Ccgbs here ya go
@Davinci1620
@Davinci1620 8 ай бұрын
Thanks 🙏🏻
@Stargazer213
@Stargazer213 8 ай бұрын
Yea! Gold is really a big thing in this game. I got some SR units that are level 1 and they are needed in side chapters, now I need to level them up a bit just to get the trophies.
@S4Fenerli
@S4Fenerli 8 ай бұрын
The problem in f2p is mostly never the beginning of the game its always the endgame, new content gets pushed faster snd faster even before f2p can keep up
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
In this case u get access to end game around day 7
@S4Fenerli
@S4Fenerli 8 ай бұрын
@@PayneBlade i am not talking about now, its a general statement for mostly every (gacha/mmorpg) game. So maybe you will do such a video in 6/12 months again and we can talk about it
@REAPXR07
@REAPXR07 8 ай бұрын
​@S4Fenerli you do make a valid point
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Ya depends on the release pattern. I think we should be okay here
@2ndkizuki
@2ndkizuki 8 ай бұрын
As a f2p player my progress is good plus im gettin ssrs
@timmy_yt3730
@timmy_yt3730 8 ай бұрын
I just got emma today and beat igris as a f2p player am so happy
@danielfigueroa7586
@danielfigueroa7586 8 ай бұрын
Same Emma is dummy strong! Dang, the gold is slowing me down 😢
@AfaqBabar-ym3px
@AfaqBabar-ym3px 8 ай бұрын
I got sar grimoire plss guide me to do ch#7
@AfaqBabar-ym3px
@AfaqBabar-ym3px 8 ай бұрын
Ssr*
@timmy_yt3730
@timmy_yt3730 8 ай бұрын
@@AfaqBabar-ym3px grimoire is my next wish list
@varunborade1403
@varunborade1403 8 ай бұрын
Any solution for bugs!!I'm stuck in the lobby ,tried re login but it won't go,and the girl character who greets at start getting spammed like hell!!😮‍💨
@Anthonygt92
@Anthonygt92 8 ай бұрын
Are you using the gems on the standard banner or limited banner on the f2p account? ( I was wondering why your f2p account had more sr's thrn mine then i seen you had only 2k gems im currently at 30k )
@saiash0
@saiash0 8 ай бұрын
You should always spend gems on limited banner if you are f2p
@timmy_yt3730
@timmy_yt3730 8 ай бұрын
@@saiash0I spent on normal banner and got emma today
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
I'm doing a challenge account so I am using mine differently but u should save for limited
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
I'm doing a challenge account so I am using mine differently but u should save for limited
@DARK-ry2vi
@DARK-ry2vi 8 ай бұрын
Payne wich lvl should your jinwoo be and switch to crit build instead of attack build bc i heard you say in one vid jinwoo as crit build better for end game
@timmy_yt3730
@timmy_yt3730 8 ай бұрын
Am already using crit on jinwoo cause I got demon sword
@timmy_yt3730
@timmy_yt3730 8 ай бұрын
I do so much dmg
@sarwanali6199
@sarwanali6199 8 ай бұрын
Payne said that jinwoo should be lvl 47 for crit build
@skylerruin
@skylerruin 8 ай бұрын
Once you unlock accessories like nechlace and earrings, you can get the crit gives attack % that stacks as a 2 piece set bonus. I find my ult always crits with only 36% crit. I used the last of my gold to reset and try out str/precision. I do much more with crit build. I'm lvl 41. Been crit/perception since lvl 27
@DARK-ry2vi
@DARK-ry2vi 8 ай бұрын
@@skylerruin thx bro i greatly appreciate it so the weapons that use jinwoo attack would it be greatly affected or nha
@JaydinAnderson-m2l
@JaydinAnderson-m2l 8 ай бұрын
so what’s the point in having high battle power in the enemy doesn’t make you do more damage?
@timmy_yt3730
@timmy_yt3730 8 ай бұрын
Build matters most
@JaydinAnderson-m2l
@JaydinAnderson-m2l 8 ай бұрын
ok thank you
@Gunnin_yadown
@Gunnin_yadown 8 ай бұрын
Using the weakness of the enemy will make a difference
@hebi3638
@hebi3638 8 ай бұрын
I did a ten pull out of frustration today was at 20 pity and got choi and the plume sword Now I got more ssr‘s than fockin gold
@razor1x855
@razor1x855 8 ай бұрын
Get gold in floors
@gurkantopdemir8852
@gurkantopdemir8852 8 ай бұрын
As f2p i got choi, emma, 2 see jiwoo, 3 lim and 2 plum flower swords
@LightChild-y8c
@LightChild-y8c 8 ай бұрын
I made another account and im not been lucky to pull any ssr / sr char just weapons i got 5 ssr weapons now and got 5 characters 😄 (kang, han. So, jinho, song, johee) hahah its terrible to do side quest no choice but to boost them 😅
@timmy_yt3730
@timmy_yt3730 8 ай бұрын
I just got emma today and beat igris as a f2p player am so happy
@PratibhaSingh-rb1ul
@PratibhaSingh-rb1ul 8 ай бұрын
Congratulations
@Heloraff119
@Heloraff119 8 ай бұрын
As f2p player i got 7 ssr hunter and 3 ssr wepon. I do reroll in the first game until i get 1 ssr hunter. So far this game is very fun. My level for now is 48 with 135 power my problem just in atrifact i cant get a good atrifac so i stuck ini chapter 15 and for another problem is coin for f2p you need to try hard to get a many coin but chil and ejoye it guys this is casual game just enjoying your progres.
@PayneBlade
@PayneBlade 8 ай бұрын
Ya they made gold an issue so people don't progress too quickly
@Abmos.
@Abmos. 8 ай бұрын
W
@joejohnson8966
@joejohnson8966 8 ай бұрын
7:42 can't wait.
@TiggZ_
@TiggZ_ 8 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤
@DuchuFreestyle
@DuchuFreestyle 8 ай бұрын
I get 4 ssr hunter and 2 ssr sword and gun 4 day play f2p
@luisclaudioguerin4870
@luisclaudioguerin4870 8 ай бұрын
F2p players will also have ssr units and weapons, and while a lot of people (payneblade here included) played using only SRs and yet can enjoy the only real problem is the lack of gold, the only different is a slower progress, but not a stop progress. (Im free2play by the way, and got no problem beating the igris chapter for example). There iseven a guy who beat a ranked challenge with only sr weapons at rank 1. People need to just have in mind that not every9ne could be number one, its the opposite, even pay2win players will be a lot behind other pay2win players that spend more, and what everyone should understand is that this is not a bad thing, cause spenders make the game going on free for us all and not shuttinh down, im not defending predatory p2w games, those are garbage, im just saying how a heathy game do, I already played a lot of extremely free games that gives everything for free some games that have literally nothing to be paid with money except for cosmetics and very good games and yet they all struggle to be alive or have already died, its sad, bad a lot of people (probably most people) dont want to play to earn their character, weapons, currencies, etc, most people spend exactly cause they don't want to play or don't want to grind or don't like to wait and that's way they spend, most people that enjoy actually playing the games don't spend money, or spend only a little and that's reality, balancing the level of pay 2 win makes the game more or less predatory, but it is (imo) the best way to make a game avaliable for everyone, much better than spending to actually buy a game and then play for some hours and never touch it again.
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