You (probably) shouldn't get C2 Furina.

Furina will be rerunning in a couple days, so I figured I would ramble about my experience with Furina C2 over the last many months that has led me to believe most players will not get much value out of it.
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[@Solunerra]

TL;DW: Furina C2 is weirdly variable in its value, to an extent wherein I think many players will not get much value from it. Hence "probably." It's a weird constellation, one of my favorite ones, even. But not necessarily to an extent that is worthwhile. Always evaluate the value of a constellation relative to what you would lose by deciding to go for it. Gotta be smart with those primos to play this game healthily, imo.

[@Amuqx33]

I do have a question about C2, would it be worth it if you are using an er sands?

[@hithere-oi8vu]

Tbh im only getting c2 furina cuz I accidentally c2 my nahida so now I'm on a quest to c2 all of current female archons

[@agentbluegaming7709]

@@hithere-oi8vu you may as well do Zhongli and Venti, at that point, lol.

[@hithere-oi8vu]

@@agentbluegaming7709 nah I won't be pulling for them

[@ChiyoTachi]

C2 is a must for me the only way to max fanfare with a single target healer is through c2, also you gain extra hp so that it allows you to switch from Hp goblet to Hydro Goblet with more room for dmg substats with her aftifacts.

[@magicalgirlmyou8560]

Soluna out here leaking the new 4 star character Kaveh before his release,what a legend!

[@bbysiea]

i thought his name was kevin? maybe they changed it in the latest patch update

[@kontters]

why i love furinas c2, is because op single target healers can now max out fanfare, like bennett or kuki

[@kontters]

also the extra dmg for her makes things like sayu furinational viable (also if you've never tried sayu furinational please try it it's genuinely the most fun team ive played)

[@anhao2237]

@@kontterswhat is that

[@kontters]

@anhao2237 a team consisting of sayu, furina, bennett and xiangling. sayu is used as the on fielder to swirl hydro and pyro so that both xiangling and furina do massive damage, she also provides healing for furina and also does pretty decent damage herself if you're like me and you build her with crit. also the fact she's so fast allows u to spin around the enemy, so that xiangling's pyronado hits way more often in single target situations

[@dejavu3472]

Furina’s c2 is close to a 50% increase to her personal damage according to calcs, so I do think that’s very valuable

[@greenvega]

Ppl pull Furina's c2 not for her personal dmg, it have better buffer capabilities, easier to gain full stacks on her burst and more elemental dmg bonus buff

[@Solunerra]

In hindsight, rather than the relative dmg increase staement I made, I shouldve just said Furinas kit shines the most in teams where she is not used as a big dmg unit, imo. Its a pretty vast oversimplification to say Furina C2 is a 50% dmg increase though, as Im pretty sure that number comes from treating it as if you get the max 140% HP bonus on her immediately, which is not the case (ever). Its a buildup still, and is tied to how much you can drain/gain HP (it does NOT count over healing, notably). Hence I think in the numerous possible teams Furina can be used in, 20% is a more realistic expectation. But Furina C2 is weirdly variable, as mentioned in the video lol. Depending on what you do with Furina and how much you like her it may be worthwhile, but I always recommend people evaluate based on the value of getting entirely new characters to play vs a dmg increase for existing ones. As an aside, the _potential_ the dmg increase it gives is why Ive often run an atk goblet on Furina, or a higher ER build than necessary, in order to balance out her dps for my videos so its closer to a C0 Furina and the results I have are more approachable for more players. But thats just for my videos and not relevant to most players lol

[@ninjagold9244]

@@Solunerra Can't you reach 800 stacks instantly with C2 Furina, starting with 50% HP? 50% HP healed x 4 characters x 3.5 C2 multiplier + 150 stacks from C1 = 850 stacks total.

[@Namso100]

@@ninjagold9244not in spiral abyss unless you purposefully take damage which most of the time you get 2 shot anyway so it is better to rely on hp drain

[@kijuu]

@@ninjagold9244 yeah the thing is "IF you start with 50% hp" which is not always the case. It's the best scenario but not every scenario.

[@cynth4941]

Thank you! Decided to get C6 instead

[@raphaelmillion]

same

[@bonbeelu]

LMAOO

[@tasnimanika2310]

SAME LOL it eliminates needing a healer so she can literally be in any team

[@EricVinicius123]

Instructions unclear. I will C6 Furina

[@passwordyeah729]

Mission failed successfully.

[@Solunerra]

What have I done If only C6 were still her C2 then this video wouldnt be a thing lol (and it would be the most broken constellation in the game because removing the need for a teamwide healer is bonkers. Like so strong that it may genuinely be worth getting C2 over time for F2P players. So maybe its a good thing they changed it to her C6 in beta lol)

[@EricVinicius123]

Jokes aside, I do believe she has the best C6 in the game, plus she's my favorite character, so... Yeah

[@SunKou7]

Same. I already have C2, but according to this video I shouldn't stop there, right?

[@Zoshiao]

@@Solunerra I remember reading that beta and being so sad when they changed C2 to C6 because i love her animations so much and a badly wanted to on field her, in hindsight yeah its for the best it got changed to C6 given how broken it would be, and also its a massive "carrot on a stick" for suckers like me who want to use Furina with the hydro infused sword on field!

[@nuehoujuu7503]

"You probably shouldn't get C2 Furina." Me who has a C3 Furina: Uh, about that...

[@_flipflop_]

Go for c6☠️

[@Solunerra]

C3 does make the relative value of C2 higher, since C3 vs C1 can now be 125% frontloaded dmg bonus vs C2. (Edit: C1 enables easy 87.5% dmg% immediately frontloaded, C2 enables 100%, and C3 enables 125% in conjunction with C2) But I was specifically speaking more from my personal experience using Furina C2 of course, I do not have C3 and dont intend to get it.

[@Zoshiao]

As a fellow C3 haver I now sit with the tough choice of, A: C6 and fulfill my dream of Furina as a main DPS... Or B: Save primos for up coming Natlan characters that are most likely going to be game changing, just like how Fontaine was... (And ya bet'cha im rushing A head first!)

[@jonnevitu4979]

@@Zoshiao go for furina rerun, get as much copies as you can->save for natlan after her banner ends->wait until her rerun again and complete the c6, thats what Im gonna do lol

[@nuehoujuu7503]

@@Zoshiao Gonna be going for Sigewinne myself on the upcoming banners, as C3 Furina is enough for me.

[@kavehbf]

“you need your primos for the kaveh rerun” that’s the exact reason im skipping furina…i feel extremely called out right now 💀 thank you for the continued kaveh main representation soluna

[@Goldberry1303]

"That happens once every 70 years.."

[@pencilonpaper1026]

your username is very relatable

[@jugglenaut1955]

He's being held hostage by the pyro archon at this point

[@asp954]

Imo c1 is already a good stopping point, and alot better than most people think. Its probably one of the best first constellations in the game. She can't really maximize her dmg in a team without double hydro and teamwide healing anyway so her personal dmg aside, in terms of buffing capabilities c1 is almost as impactful as c2. An instant 150 fanfare stacks upon burst activation translates to an instant teamwide 37.5% dmg bonus (about the same as kazuha's but not restricted to an element) and instant 15% healing bonus, allowing her to work significantly better than at c0 in teams with a non teamwide healer, and in teams that have one or in teams that can max her stacks out fast through other means like Neuvillette, she basically now doubles the dmg of your entire team because of the maximum fanfare stack increase (300 to 400 = 75% to 100%) while frontloading a bit more of your dmg due to the instant 150 fanfare stacks. Basically, c1 is enough to make her noticeably stronger and wayy more flexible and any more cons is just kinda bait. (really fucking enticing bait tho, c2 still is absurdly strong and c6 basically allows her to excel in any role and not just sub dps support) All this aside tho, I still wouldn't hesitate to pull her for her c2 under normal circumstances since I got an early lucky c1 from her first banner, but I can't just ignore the rumors of a navia rerun next patch.. (I hope its not true)

[@abdullahalmasri612]

I got C1 Furina without knowing how good it was just because I liked Furina and wanted to spend every last primo on her, the thing is even with just C1 the teams become so good to the point where I feel the downgrade when I switch her to another characters. one of my best investment in Genshin that I thought was useless. I sometimes use her with arlecchino with Layla and it's better than kazuha in that case

[@ArchibaldVonSkip]

FVape C2 Furina with Nahida/Instructors Sapwood Bennett/Jean or Kazoo on VV is so fun to play. Crabaletta deals 250k+. Kazoo/Jean procs Burgeon.

[@nk30020]

She's already one of the best character at c0 & Imma keep her that way to prove it.

[@Apate-]

prove what? to who?

[@mikoinuio]

​@@Apate- to level 55 co-oppers

[@erebus9142]

You can't even use your Furina at Co-op, because Furina mains will have C6R1/R5 Furina

[@danilaevd]

Give all your earthy possessions to Furina

[@PrismPupsickle]

Every video that reminds me that kaveh hasn't been back in a year makes me feel special cuz i got c6 kaveh during baizhu's release. Which is both a curse and a blessing (I'm a fischl and baizhu main and both of them are C2)

[@alvin3978]

Thank you for the video, very helpful and informative, making me see her constellation in a different light, keep up the good work brother!

[@jimmckinney6715]

Super helpful. Thanks! I have been sitting here debating with myself over the upcoming rerun. I've had Furina since her release have been planning to get c1 and possibly c2, but c2 would deplete everything I've saved unless I got super lucky. I think I'm going to go for c1 and save whatever is leftover for those juicy pryo characters coming down the road. Thanks for a great explanation of how her c2 works.

[@tufol33k78]

from a player who's aiming at speedrunning, and attempting at shenanigans: - Furina C0 is almost always a sidegrade to Xingqiu (hyper invested Noblesse build); while she's great to help casual clears (because of ramping buff) - Furina C2 is great for speedruns, as you frontload the buffs, and can notoriously abuse it with Arlecchino and super invested Bennett Shenanigans (well farmed Instructor for instance). While for casual clears, it's about the same as said in the video. - for people playing Neuvillette Furina, probably already C0 is enough, as the clear pace is already fast enough - C2 Furina in "casual plays" is more a thing to to really buff weak units, like she already does at C0, such as Noelle. C2 Furina hugely buffs Noelle, and allow Dehya VV Vape to actually clearing abyss boss' chambers in 15/20s which isn't too shabby.

[@ArchibaldVonSkip]

As a fellow C2 Furina, C4 Ayaka, C2 Arle main, pairing these 3 with Benny boi clears anything in Ayaka's burst window.

[@Blackoutdmc]

I have a similar but opposite issue. I pull Baizhu whilst attenpting to get Kaveh constellations on his release. By the time I was done, I had gotten c4 Kaveh, and c2 Baizhu. So now, Baizhu's healing is SO persistent and potent, that even with Furina actively trying to suck my team dry, they're almost always topped off, limiting the ammount of fanfare stacks I can earn. Still, they form such a powerful core that it more than makes up for it. Wish I could toggle it off at time though.

[@MistaBrunch]

You shouldnt even get her weapon if you havent solved energy needs…

[@justenoughforacoffee]

Ngl, i don't have any issues with her er lol. I didn't realize people did have issues.

[@user-dm5qj8zy8x]

@@justenoughforacoffeeI think he is talking about energy recharge

[@justenoughforacoffee]

@@user-dm5qj8zy8x yeah thats what I mean. I don't actually know why i typed Hp. I think it was the part of the video i was at.

[@brahmageos]

@@justenoughforacoffee That depends on the teams you use and rotations

[@justenoughforacoffee]

@@brahmageos no i realize. I was just saying I've never realized people have issues with it.

[@musanetesakupwanya1050]

Look... That C2 is my favourite constellation!

[@gingervald8601]

I've been wondering something about Kaveh and Furina. Since you featured Kaveh in the video. If you put Kaveh on a EM maidens set would his self heal + HB buffed healing from Furina be good enough for getting fanfare stacks? Wondering about this for both Kaveh quickbloom and possibly also Emilie burgeon

[@itahasin77]

i will flex my c0 kaveh every change i get😁

[@soujiokita6062]

I have c3 😏

[@dudebroguyman]

C5 Kaveh..

[@lilypad2714]

I have C4 and I didn’t even pull on his banner 😭 like go away bro I don’t like you 😭

[@itahasin77]

@@lilypad2714 😁

[@irinapanova7577]

@@lilypad2714 well give him to me

[@MarcAlcatraz]

C2 is still extremely useful as a front loaded buffer for abyss, you’re able to max out extremely fast with the higher max stacks makes abyss clears faster and you’re not worrying about getting those stacks. His gameplay literally proves me correct.

[@gingervald8601]

He started the video off saying he doesn't regret having c2 and does say multiple times it's a good constellation. As always with 5 star constellations it's less "is it good" but "is it good enough to get instead of a whole new character to play with" Do you care about the clear time past getting 3 stars? If someone's answer to that is no that you're correct here doesn't really matter to them.

[@Solunerra]

I mean yeah, I was trying to show when Furina C2 can be useful lol. I was abusing it to demonstrate the idea and show the nuance it where it is useful, while mentioning contexts where it wasn’t. Front loaded buffing is something you can do with Furina teams at C0 though lol. Thats kinda what I was saying. C1 is better for frontloaded buffing utility in more contexts. C1 (a prerequisite for C2) can get you 350/400 stacks immediately with a team wide heal, for a total 87.5% frontloaded dmg bonus, with the remaining 12.5% usually taking seconds to get the rest of (with as little as two hits from the different summons). C0 Furina in that context is 200/300 stacks immediately, for 50% dmg bonus with an additional 25% remaining. So C1 gets you to 87.5% immediately, and all C2 does is take you to 100% immediately. C1 is doing WAY more than C2 for the purpose of frontloaded buffing in normal Furina team contexts, then. Most players would notice the 37.5% difference with C0-C1 but not notice the 12.5% for C2. If you add C3 into the equation (another 25% total dmg bonus iirc), it becomes more significant. But thats not C2 lol Obviously the exact amount of fanfare will vary in practice, but Furina is someone you can get more out of through knowledge/skill expression than needing to get cons for. Dont let me stop you from getting it if you want it. Im just saying her C2 is more nuanced than most people make it out to be. Its still one of my favorite constellations in the game, but isnt necessarily “worth” getting

[@blueberrycrepes]

Watched the video with your ears closed

[@MarcAlcatraz]

@@Solunerra yeah, I got lucky and kept winning 50/50 so I’ve been enjoying C2 since release, but like with any 5 star no constellation is worth it in the grand view of the game. It’s just the extra stack gain for every HP change just speeds things along and allows you to put a hydro gob on her to squeeze even more usefulness from her kit.

[@MarcAlcatraz]

@@blueberrycrepes cheers bud

[@tystimyr]

Thanks for this insightful video, it was exactly what I was looking for! I pulled Furina the first time around and was now considering to get one or two cons. I play her mainly with Neuvilette and that team basically already has enough damage for everything, but I do appreciate a bigger buff, also for other carries. I do not really need more Furina dmg though, so I guess I'll just go for C1.

[@hazeysgarden]

I’m glad you’re talking some sense into me bc I really wanted C2 but was debating on settling for C1 or C0 bc the 4 stars suck

[@Zythroxes]

Same kinda just gonna wait for next rerun or invest elsewhere, especially when the new game mode requires more characters and less overall damage

[@neoslayerpw8230]

I've been running prototype amber nahida for months now, especially for overworld. I'm definitely getting c2 furina

[@joranvanolphen9892]

Ive been really enjoying C1 Neuvillette with my C0 Furina, C6 proto lisa and C0 Kazuha. I feel like the C1 would be enough for this team because Neuvillette has his own HP mechanics. What is your opinion?

[@TerraTheWise]

“You probably shouldn’t get C2 Furina.” Me with C4: Well technically…

[@m3hrn_]

You don't know how much has this video helped me I was basically fed that her C2 is broken and will instantly make you do unga bunga dmg I'll now try to get either Xianyun C1 , Yelan , Raiden or Pyro archon I like playing with different teams. And I already got Furina at 78 pity guaranteed and in the next one I again got her (really lucky) This video has really helped me made up my mind about how I should spent my primogems bec I have already wasted around 76 pulls only to get second Aquila favonia which I already got earlier from standard wish

[@HuhsFalse]

I got my c2 furina with 100 wish.. i think i just over lucky

[@kx2174]

This was helpful, thanks ^-^

[@DenkiVR]

This helped a lot! I was getting anxious because i want cons for Furina since she's my Kaveh's best partner but i reaaaally want cons for my Kaveh... so, skipping her to get c1 in the future sounds more achievable than c2 all at once. Thank you! ps: i know furina's cons are better for kaveh than his, but i love my main and he already hits like truck with furina c0

[@trismite]

You’re right! I (probably) shouldn’t C2 Furina. I should C6 her! Anything for my Regina!

[@edgarortiz7624]

In regards to non team team wide healers like Benny and Kuki or characters that heal themselves like clorinde and Noelle, do fanfare stacks max sufficient enough with C1 or do you think C2 would still be better?

[@An_dres_art]

I have the same doubt since I want to use furina with Clorinde and already have c1 and idk if get the c2 or save for latter.

[@GenshinYuppe]

noelle gets stacks fast even at c0, neuvillette does too, clorinde also gets it fast enough, but single-target healers like bennet or kuki do not. now iirc, c1 is the constellation that multiplies the speed of the stacks, so at c1 everyone works i guess.

[@alexanderdeldiablo6508]

Also, gotta keep in mind that Natlan is just around the corner and there will be an inevitable gameplay and meta switch again, another Neuvi, Furina levels of game changing maybe, so who knows if getting Furina C2 will be a guarantee 'worth' pull rather than personal preferences, in my case, I really wanted Yelan c2 ( lost her c1) and Nahida/Nilou c2 but now I can't careless anymore because how much fun most Fontaine units are, I think I'd feel the same when I start to use a new mechanical Natlan team. Of course, if you really like the character, go for it, I'm on a very tempting spot rn with a guarantee, between Clorinde, c2 Furina and Emilie, I have 1 day lol.

[@GenshinYuppe]

the fact the meta switching never meant old strategies stop working. meta is a lot like a fad tbh.

[@user-ow9mi7be8d]

Wait who is blonde gentleman? He looks really good when is he gonna release? I Didn’t know mihoyo gave you early access to ne characters!😊

[@Solunerra]

Its Kaveh, I think his first banner is announced for version 7.5!

[@thatonexfallenangel7810]

I appreciate you for this video. I've been looking for an excuse to not summon Furina's C2, because I originally (when she first came out) planned to get her to C2-C4 and stop (DPS Furina), but I also still haven't gotten Zhongli and I really need him for some of my teams. Aside from that, I deal more than enough dmg with Furina to not necessitate her C2 even despite not having an optimal main DPS, and I'm looking to save for Zhongli and the Pyro archon. Thanks to pity, I'm actually guaranteed a Zhongli now.

[@cutthroatcare]

I love your theory videos like this where you talk about specific characters you're messing around with and thinking deeply about, exactly because you think about things these ways. You challenge the initial concept the community has agreed upon, which aren't even innately wrong - C2 Furina is best version of Furina - and finds a way to think about it sideways - well, even if it's good, does it actually change how you play her to be worth getting like how constellations can change how other characters play? An easy comparison I can think of is Zhongli is good, but C2 Zhongli is better bc at C2 allows him to have 2 pillars AND co-op his shield, and these 2 things are valuable & can change how you play him [actually bother to use him in co-op with friends]. Basically longwinded way to say I love these vids, I hope you keep it up!

[@4777512]

On that kaveh note, do you Have a particular kaveh build you recommend?

[@anima9450]

Honestly, I kinda see your point here. I already have her C1 and was planning to get her C2 this patch (especially since Im not really interested in any of the other upcoming characters), but now Im starting to doubt a bit because man, I sure would like to have Alhaithams weapon... Im just wondering if her C2 would make a bigger difference in Alhaitham hyperbloom teams that have Kuki as a healer. Since shes not team-wide and doesnt heal quite as much as other units

[@tajfarnbach1547]

if want c2 it's especially good for teams where you don't have a teamwide healer (teams with bennet, kuki, diona, even neuv, any proto amber holder) the only teams where it doesn't do much are teams with characters like xianyun or jean, or other teamwide healers, but those healers generally provide less offensively than the single target healers (bennet, kuki specifically) c2 would definitely be a bigger increase to your team damage than alhaitham's weapon especially if you're only using kuki (i'm assuming your kuki can heal 25k per rotation (about 30k hp and talent level 9) you'd be able to gain 200 stacks from the drain over time and another ~ 150 assuming your characters don't have a lot of hp. but on average you'd max your fanfare at around the 9 second mark, vs with c2 it'd be about 2.5 seconds, leading to your average dmg bonus increasing by about 30-50% which IMO is better than the difference between a f2p weapon and a signature (TL:DR furina c2 > lofi in alhaitham quickbloom)

[@AzureDrag0n1]

C2 is actually kinda good on Alhaitham teams because it uses Kuki who is not a very strong healer. I use Nahida on Prototype Amber with Kuki and it works fairly well with my c1 Furina but it does take a few seconds to ramp up to max fanfare. C2 also has a bigger impact for Furina herself because her stats are hard to balance when she is the sole hydro on a team. She almost can not balance her crit, hp, and energy stats without godlike artifacts. C2 lowers her hp stat requirements by a lot so you can just focus on crit and energy.

[@NextHomeGaming37]

Best hydro supporter for hyperbloom - furina & alhaitham OR yelan & alhaitham ?? 2- who is more universal supperter..?

[@obentomagnum]

seeing or hearing mention of kaveh makes me feel like a dude in a movie having a flashback about his dead wife

[@nadkudo1798]

I'm probably going to pull for Furina c1 (would be my first gacha 5* con) if Emillie is as meh as it seems for now. If I already had c1 I would only consider c2, like you mentioned, for enabling sub-optimal healers to work better with her and not really for any dps increase from Furina herself. I've always seen her as an enabler rather than a dps tbh

[@Szczurzyslawa]

I am fascinated by this Kaveh team, is he built for just dendro dmg with the plunge stuff? EM for core pop? hellish mix of both?!

[@gammaxten]

Dawg I really like how you present your info and got the chill style. Very easy to listen to but I also gotta respectfully disagree about the c2. Hope you have a blessed day my dude.

[@luutio9000]

My question is SHOULD i pull for c1 furina or sigewinne? I dont really have use for Sigewinne yet but i just wanna know if new character is more valuable than Furina con? And i am also new and i only got 3 5* c1 dehya, c0 wanderer and c0 furina. I am only going to pull to like 50-70 pity so... Idc if i dont get 5* i just want Noelle cons xD.

[@Solunerra]

Id say it depends on what your healer situation looks like. I personally think I undervalued the strength of Sigewinne/Furina as a combo before actually playing them together. But I also have Furina C2 so when I actually spec a team into getting more dmg from Furina its more noticeable. At a baseline though, Sige make Furinas energy meeds lower, gives hydro resonance, and buffs Furinas off field dmg, which makes for a 2 unit combo that can be very strong (because Furina can be focused more into damage). I should have a video using hybrid buff/dps sigewinne tomorrow that shows some of this strength. With that said, I had enough options for healers that having Sigewinne or not is certainly not the difference maker in being able to clear content. If you have Kokomi, its likely that Sigewinne is much less worthwhile

[@luutio9000]

​@@Solunerra I only got bennett xD. Or i have few 4* healers but they arent build so...

[@muldoon2643]

Thanks for the video this helped. I use her with Xiao, Faruzan and CR. I was thinking about C2 but will stop at C1 unless I get really lucky with an early 50/50 win. Edit- lost 50/50 on 82 to wishes. Now my 3rd one lost in a row 😭. So settled for C1. I hate this game sometimes lol

[@203tron]

Funny how I just thought to my self about C2'ing Furina (She's C1) and then this video poped up in my reccomendations. TBH It was more about deciding If I should pull sigewinne or C2 Furina, conclusion was that I won't do any of these and save for Columbina

[@Towhomitmayconcern9293]

Thank you! I always see video comparison of Furina C0 vs C2 like C1 and what it does doesn't even exist. I would say most people value Furina's buff more than any potential damage she could do. C2 is really on valuable when you don't run a dedicated healer, otherwise what's the point. I feel her stopping points should either be C1 or C3, C2 shouldn't really be considered a stopping point unless you value not running a healer, though most still run a healer anyways.

[@raihanrusli2720]

This video wont stop me from having c2 furina, since I already have c2 furina. But I also plan to get c3 or just all in in this banner, since 4.8 (probable) banners arent that interesting

[@PorcelainGeostructure]

Yeah You should get C6 Furina.

[@snowy5617]

Thank you! I never fully understood what c2 did, only heard of it as a “must pull” by the community. I’ll stick with my c1

[@JohnSmith-kj3jy]

It's basically a 10% team dps increase over C1.

[@guillermoa.m.6411]

C2 is really flexible! That constellation enables to use her as a healer while maxing her stacks and enabling to bring a non healer character into the team. My favorite team using her as a healer is Eula Furina Shenhe & Raiden team... it just works!

[@darkdoesgaming]

honestly i wanna pull for furina soo bad

[@andreespina9747]

although this isnt also the most significant boost, i do think it is still a bit valuable that your team and onfielder have more uptime of max fanfare boost with c2 compared to c1 and c0, although of course that uptime is probably less than 5 seconds for most teams

[@lilymelodie7128]

I think the best way to abuse furina c2 is in mono pyro with klee or liney. Since she vapes she does a bigger part of the team dps and you want a em sand. So the bonus hp wont overcap the 40k threshold. Plus you want to use bennet wich is worst at generating fanfare quickly.

[@topcraft2844]

Me with C6: Yeah right, excellent argument...

[@LoDawn]

As someone who only play nahida with neu, or in wet rock with noelle/albedo/chioir, I really plan to go for C1 furina. Her C2 is overkill for what I plan to do, but her C1 perfectly bump the need of healing% at the start of the burst stack on both of those teams. Noelle can snowball really fasterer from that, and with neuvillette, you have a better first proc of her A1. Better mass team healing = no need for team healing.

[@samuele289]

I’ve never done or seen any calcs about it, but I’m curious to see how Furina’s C2 and the Key of Khaj Nisut could work together, maybe in a team with Alhaitham and Kuki (who both can appreciate the extra EM)

[@luisftc1]

even at C0 this weapon is amazing on her, she stacks the weapon’s 3 hits quite fast, teams that use em benefit a lot from it

[@JohnSmith-kj3jy]

The difference is not much. My Furina has about 50k hp with Key, which provides 100 team EM. At max fanfare stacks, the HP increases to 70k, which provides 140 EM, an additional 40. However the increase in EM doesn't happen off field as you have to switch into Furina to register the higher HP. Then ts also hard to get 70k hp fast on a team with Kuki, so realistically you're only seeing 60k hp which is a 20 EM increase. Overall the difference is quite negligible

[@its_4amm]

Bennett's instructors build made me think of fridge teams with c6 Diona. Maybe that could be an another interesting way of utilizing Furina's c2, as shields might help with the problem of team being extra fragile without a team-wide healer.

[@GenshinYuppe]

can confirm that diona is pretty good with furina and wanderer

[@yannischupin7787]

A team that benefita lot from the C2 is neuvilette + kazuha + zhongli because it already is the best Neuvillette team and its main weakness is how slow they are generating fanfare... here C2 will make it so that the 1st Neuvi CA is already fully buffed, while Furina will continuously gain HP for her summons, this is huge DMG. But I see your point that is how variable the value of this cons is.

[@AzureDrag0n1]

Yes, I tend to use Prototype Amber instead of a better 4 star weapon on Neuvillette because I value the team wide healing he provides in that team. It also drops my energy needs to 0 and can use those stats on pure damage so it tends to perform pretty well. Can often do about 40k damage charge attack ticks in Spiral Abyss with a Prototype Amber. This is usually good enough to clear most chambers in seconds.

[@GenshinYuppe]

@@AzureDrag0n1 but if you have his signature it's not even that hard to do 70~80k with c2 furina in the team. it becomes hard to justify prototype amber. his book is INSANELY good, one of the best weapons in the game. a lot of characters can make great use of it, including klee, wanderer, yanfei, heck, even reverse vape charged attack mona and barbara. if you have neuvillette, i highly recommend his weapon. great value for the entire account. the only bad part is that you'll have to save up around 220 wishes to guarantee you'll get it 😓 but hey, it will probably happen sooner than that, then you're left with a lot of wishes to waste on whatever you want later.

[@AzureDrag0n1]

@@GenshinYuppe That requires pulling on the scam weapon banner and not actually getting his weapon. You have to give up 2 or 3 characters to get his weapon.

[@GenshinYuppe]

@@AzureDrag0n1 that's worst-case scenario, and that's why i said you have to save ~200 wishes (it usually comes within 150, and you have some refunds via duplicate four stars, but~). if you don't make sure you can guarantee it, it's not even worth trying. and like i said, if you get it early, you still can get characters with the remaining wishes. honestly it comes to a point where weapons have better value than characters because they enable the ones you already have to be more viable. Also, you get weapons even when you lose 50/50, and those can be useful too. but you're not wrong, the weapon banner is pretty scummy. probably not worth on a new account, unless the other weapon in the banner is also good

[@AzureDrag0n1]

@@GenshinYuppe Personally I can't think of any reason for his weapon other than for beating those max difficulty whale events that have bosses have a 100 million hp or something. I already beat Spiral Abyss in seconds using him.

[@viciousying]

Well, it also increase Furina healing for co-op by a lot I guess. A jack of all trades who can deal dmg, team wide heal(a lot), team wide dmg buff(100% uptime), tanky, auto target, energy recharge(fav). C0 can do the same, but C2 will make everything above even better.

[@hira_yarinaoshi3019]

thanks for saving my primogems, my like and comment is well earned

[@valangrybird7189]

I will never regret C6 furina

[@shoresteakhouse9114]

im here bc i got her 3 times with less then 10k primogems and wanted to see if c2 was good or not, great video!(:

[@spartacurt]

Awesome video! Question, for C1 Neuvillette, will C0 Furina be a significant damage upgrade from Barbara’s hydro damage bonus? My Barbara is at C6 and is super comfy. I was wondering how much more valuable Furina is for my Neuvillette than Barb. Thanks!

[@freeeggs3811]

She will probably double your damage

[@ABC-yj6cy]

As a C1R1 neuv and C0R1 furina haver, I can definitely say the two are extremely synergistic and the damage increase and even her personal damage is second to none. Just make sure you have an off-field healer

[@spartacurt]

@@ABC-yj6cy got her! Thanks 🙏 And I have several healers. I love her 😍

[@spartacurt]

@@freeeggs3811 got her! the increase is definitely noticeable. I tried a mono hydro team with her AND Barb and that worked quite nicely 🤩 thanks!

[@GenshinYuppe]

@@ABC-yj6cy on a neuvilette team? no need.

[@niji8164]

Does furinas buff from her burst affect off field damage like yae and fischl

[@n3221]

Yup, its also dynamic which means it cannot be snapshotted (its a good thing)

[@GenshinYuppe]

it buffs the entire party. that's quite rare indeed

[@givemeaworkingname]

A datapoint for the interested: I usually play Bennett, Xiangling, Kazuha, and Furina. I ran seven times in three chambers each with C1 Furina, then got C2 and reran it. My times were consistently 15% faster in each chamber, and I was less likely to die. This is exactly a case that Soluna says C2 is useful for.

[@vicca4671]

I'm just glad I got her C2 on her first banner. I can even on-field her on a team like Furina / XL / Yelan / Healer (benny, PAmber, etc)

[@Annuki3]

I think Furina's c2 big advantage is also to enable hypercarry teams with Bennett, because without c2, you'll barely stack Fanfare in these teams. For example with Wanderer, Faruzan, Furina and Bennett team

[@GenshinYuppe]

swap bennet out for charlotte with TTDS in that case. she's actually better than bennet because of the +20% crit rate w/ cryo that wanderer has, plus team wide comfy healing, lots of particle generation and reliable cryo application to keep the talent running - plus 48% atk bonus from ttds is nice, and you get get 20% more if you use noblesse on her. but i personally use him with c6 diona instead. worse heals, but shield! shield is absolutely delicious with him. plus it allows me to use retracing bolide on him, which is a set i have infinite godly pieces for, and makes diona's shield as strong as a zhongli shield, almost

[@Defiancy]

My favorite team core right now is Furina, Bennet, and Xiangling. It hits so hard with literally any 4th teammate. I got Khey of Khaj right now, and C0, so I'm gonna skip her weapon and go for at least C1, and most likely C2 just for that Bennet team :)

[@shartstick]

i have no 5 star healer so with furina i either have to use charlotte, bennett, or kuki, with the teams i use her in, would sigewinne/kokomi be a better pickup than c2 furina as i have c1 at the moment. I have no problem clearing content without these 5 star healers but just for account value

[@An_dres_art]

IMO Jean would appear to ruin your 50/50 at any time, and she would be enough, even qiqi, kokomi is valuable but only if you lack of hydro on field or something.

[@justenoughforacoffee]

My Furina team is (c6) Layla, (c2) Charlotte, (c0 r1) Neuvillette and (c0) Furina. Charlotte isn't even on a healer build. She's there for her skill to fill in the gaps of Layla's cryo application. Edit: Additionally, i know a lot of people talk about constellation toggling mostly in context in accidentally toggling Bennett's c6, but having the ability to toggle it for like, guides and stuff would be a genuinely good thing. I have several C6 4*s and my friends (who don't) ask for build help a lot and they dont always have the same constellations i do because they just got the character or whatever- Second edit: checked my charlotte, shes c2

[@Suuuushj1]

Ur losing out on neuvs passive in that team, an anemo character would be op

[@justenoughforacoffee]

@@Suuuushj1 no, im fully aware of what im doing. While yes, im losing some damage, i find this team fun and it still clears abyss no problem. I dont even use furina with sub dps, shes pure healer because I dont use Charlotte's heal on this team and i dont need neuvi to start at 50% hp because he gets all the stacks for furina's burst by making his hp bounce like a rubber ball and this team instead utilizes furinas spill over healing.

[@justenoughforacoffee]

@@Suuuushj1 also this utilizes Layla's c4, making up some for lost damage. Throwing an anemo character into there would actually make me slower, because I have a rotation that the most thought that goes into it is "i better not have that camera device activated."

[@Suuuushj1]

@@justenoughforacoffee c6 Layla must be dumb broken if u clear abyss with no problems with a not that well built Charlotte and a healer furina. Insanely hard to believe u cleared this abyss with that team, withOUT a problem

[@Suuuushj1]

@@justenoughforacoffee bro I believe u can clear abyss with that team, I believe u can do it in less than 30sec. But I do not believe that a anemo character would be worse, no way

[@hila5693]

1:04 funny thing is, I'm actually waiting for the next banner announcements before pulling for Furina for this exact reason...

[@user-sk2se8lm1j]

Wherever I go I can't escape Kaveh jokes...I find it interesting how this unit is (in)famous for everything except his gameplay. The ass shot in his trailer, his tragic life, him being the destroyer of worlds, his bickering with Alhaitham, him being locked in Hoyo's basement. He is so irrelevant yet so iconic it boggles my mind. Kinda like Neuvi except Neuvi is extremely relelvant in the meta. Oh God, but the memes...oratrice mecanique d'analyse cardinale ~ ♪♫

[@TengouX]

I already got c6, instructions not unclear

[@kidsteveee]

glad i watched this cause i'm 165 wishes into trying to get from C1 to C2 (big yikes, all my savings) gonna save the guarantee for emilie instead

[@blubblub3786]

I have c1 and i thought about gettig it simply becasue it would allow my mono hydro (c6) yelan to use kazuha as an anemo unit instead of jean (using prototype mona as the only healer), but for now I think Im just gonna continue saving for pyro archon. With how Archon Cons go the pyro archon c2 might be even more broken, just cus its newer. In the 2-3 patches till then I should be able to get enough pulls for c2-3. Furina is gonna rerun in 5.x anyways, so I can just grab it then. My mono hydro yelan team does more than enough damage anyways lol

[@clericneokun]

Welp. Looks like I didn't even need C1. My hyperbloom team with her and Kokomi effortlessly tore through the bottom parts of floor 12 like they were nothing. That was by far the easiest 36* I've ever had since 4.7 abyss launched.

[@harshlarose6670]

Me playing healerless and shieldless Hu Tao and shieldless Neuvillette because I find it too easy with those defensive supports You are just convincing me of getting that more so I can solely rely on neuvillette to stack up fanfare or try out other squishy teams

[@ABC-yj6cy]

I have saved 85k primos and 100 pulls. How much of a damage increase would c2 furina provide in a C1R1 neuv, furina, kazuha, baizhu team? I kinda feel like it isn't worth it at all considering said team is already broken

[@felix-kr9zn]

just save it for another team

[@milosradenkovic3790]

C2 Furina: -can have ER sands no issue -doesn't need HP% sub stats either, so you can chase those crit% rolls => even more Furina's personal damage increase than can be calculated on paper -with C2 even first rotation on teams stacks fast (healers that are used in her teams, are used for fast frontloaded healing when her burst starts) -finally, can be used with teams with no healer (in case of emergency, take Zhongli with you=more shred and stagger resistance than a healer would bring=more damage)

[@mustangroy5012]

W video, perfect timing too.

[@cipeentity463]

NIce advice now I will get her c6 instead

[@rafael285pc]

another advantage of furina c2 is you can invest more in cri rate/crit. Damage and ER stacks

[@juggernaut6666]

I thought about getting her c2 because i almost always have her on key of kaj. But those 4 stars are so bad that I'll wait until later.

[@20127461]

Hi, can you do a comparison of c2 nahida to c2 furina.

[@GenshinYuppe]

i have both. c2 furina provides at least 3 times as much value as c2 nahida. c2 nahida increases her buffing capabilities by roughly 20% more damage. furina increases by way more. like 50%. not to mention furinas's way more flexible with teams, while nahida will lock you into a niche that isn't even very strong. plus, and this comes up more than you'd think, nahida is a debuffer, not a buffer. when there are many waves of enemies that die fast, like in events, or some abyss chambers, nahida is just south of useless, because she can't keep enemies cursed when they spawn faster than she can use her E. c2 nahida ain't worth it. she does all she needs to at c0

[@endyjgb1527]

*Sad Noelle team wide healing noises*

[@TheGwilwileth]

Funrina is a great support for my Neuvillette. She does really well now, I’m not pulling her cons. Saving for Natlan…

[@sussybaka69420]

me who got c1 furina in 100smth pulls and still has a bunch of quests to farm primos to get another 5 star if i dont lose the 50/50:

[@idkman2522]

As someone who was torn between C2ing her (from C0) or waiting for a Nilou rerun (leaks say 4.8) to get her and Key of Khaj-Nisut, I really needed this :') Now I'm only gonna be torn between waiting for Nilou or pulling for Splendor of Tranquil Waters %D

[@bjornnilsson2941]

I'm getting c2 either way (c1 now and guaranteed) but I'm also torn between getting her signature or trying for Key again (3rd times the charm I guess, lost it twice). Especially considering the other weapon on the banner is a complete brick, just like last time. Then again we don't know who Nilou will be rerunning with. If it's Emelie her spear is also not the best, maybe for Xiangling on a burgeon team. It's an ok crit stat stick ig.

[@idkman2522]

@@bjornnilsson2941 Leaks say she'll be paired with Navia, so do with that what you will! I personally have her so thankfully Verdict wouldn't be TOO big a loss... though I'd rather honestly get one of the standard banner polearms or swords were I to lose xd

[@bjornnilsson2941]

@@idkman2522 oh? How reliable is that leak? I wouldn’t mind losing to Verdict either, since Navia is one of my fav DPS too.

[@idkman2522]

@@bjornnilsson2941 Y'know, always take leaks with a healthy pinch of salt, but this is allegedly by the same leaker that accurately predicted the 4.6 and 4.7 banners, so I'm personally choosing to believe it... probably at my own cost :')

[@bjornnilsson2941]

@@idkman2522 We'll probably hear it from Hoyo themselves before the banner goes away, so I might hold off for now (has nothing to with the fact that I'm dead out of gems right now! 😅)

[@davideographer4410]

Valid points! Just subscribed ^_^ If you already have C2, is C3 worth getting? I think it buffs everyone's damage even more Edit: Just saw your reply on someone else's comment -- a 125% DMG bonus plus the ability to use a single-character healer is a great package (but a lot of primos!)

[@TCGSyphax]

I want to play her in a lot of hyper carry teams with bennett as the only healer. Navia and Wanderer come to mind. How much value will the c2 vs c1 get there? Your Raiden hitting for almost 190 is a very high amount for c0. Have to imagine a lot of that is furina

[@GenshinYuppe]

my c0 navia's E hit for nearly 400k on a hyper team with c2 furina in it. her normals did up to 100k damage per hit too (well, more like 3x35k on that spinny part of the combo). does that answer your question? because otherwise idk, i already had c2 furina when i got navia.

[@helge5565]

Huh, I didn’t even think about that. I was planning on getting c1 Furina or maybe c2. I could maybe get value from c2 if I was running her with Bennett (for example in max-dps Wanderer team). However, I will pretty much always run her with Charlotte, even if there are better characters, because that’s the single situation when I choose waifu over meta. So yeah, I guess c2 is unnecessary for me. But at the end of the day, all of that probably doesn’t matter, because I might not even get c1 if I get unlucky

[@soujiokita6062]

I run her with xianyun who has 3500 atk and 206 ER in a xiao team..idk if her constellation would be an upgrade or not

[@helge5565]

@@soujiokita6062 Furina’s c1 should be good. Basically, c0 burst gives 0-75% bonus dmg, while c1 gives 37.5-100% bonus dmg. Furina’s c2 does two thing: 1. You don’t need team-wide healer to get dmg bonus from Furina’s burst 2. Furina does a bit more damage If you want to run her alongside Xinyun (who’s a team wide healer), then [1.] is obsolete, while [2.] on its own isn’t that good TLDR: Furina’s c1 is worth it, while c2 is not

[@Radi340]

Instead of buying 80 pulls for C2 Furina I bought an expensive electric toothbrush and now I'm worried the genesis crystals reset will happen before I get paid again. T-T

[@user-fo8sn7mw6z]

After watching I will still go for c2 but won’t spend if I lose my 50/50s

[@srikzh]

I got C1 on this banner and I'm happy with that

[@bfieldcreator6347]

Honestly, I'm open to people fighting me but I don't usually would recommend constellations in 5★ characters. Unlike some 4★ characters, which the kit only feels completed with the C6, I feel that getting constellations in 5★ characters makes the game easier, and I personally prefer a new character, that can open new team compositions and thinking what could go good or not is hell of a fun. I hate that lately, specially on the 4.1, MiHoyo released characters that didn't feel completed without the first constellations, almost telling players to pull for it, but it stopped at 4.2, luckily. Perhaps that's why Sigewinne doesn't seem much fun right NOW as or 4.7. There is not much innovation in the teams she's good in, mostly can be covered with Kokomi. Hopefully they'll release in Natlan a character that has more synergy with her. Also, a BoL support characters that makes the new 4.6 set just like Marecheusse. Anyways, good luck to anyone who's pulling for either weapon, constellations or to get either Furina or Sigewinne.

[@ej4346]

I'm at C1 and not guaranteed. So I'ma try my luck, if I lose, then I will remain at C1 and would just save my guarantee for Natlan. C2 would be nice as it can make her team comps more flexible. But I'm not pushing it as I can already 36 stars the abyss as it is. Fav sword user btw (still pissed that I can no longer get Festering Desire).

[@dasytaylor]

I'm just going for C0 Furina for my clam dps Qiqi but I would always watch a Soluna vid any time

[@m3hrn_]

I was at 77 pity guaranteed, did a 10 pull got 2 Furinas back to back 🎉

[@Missiamindianajones]

and then there's me, who just wanted 1 more con for Gaming and got 2 more Furina's within the next 30 Wishes... ☠

[@ShinySwalot]

True I'm saving all my F2P primos for C6 Chiori (or Yelan I haven't decided yet)