Solved! Was the X-01 Power Armor Built Before or After the Great War? - Fallout 4 Lore

[@adrenjones9301]

Cant wait for Fallout 5, when you find Power Armor T70-X widely used by Goerge Washington´s Troops during the War of Independence.

[@hankhyatte5876]

I would have no problem with that.

[@mrnobody9193]

can we also have thunder marines?

[@poiuytrewq11422]

Christian Brode That would be amazing.

[@thinktwice2x381]

the real deal would be finding xt70 mk II, widely used by native americans for fighting off colonists

[@davidsalazar50]

otavio juba, just wait for t75x used by Chris Columbus himself

[@robwitzke9634]

As a supplier in the US defense industry, I can tell you that it takes years, and sometimes decades, of testing before military technology is fully deployed, even if newer prototypes are readily available and functional. As an example, there is a part that my company has been producing for almost 20 years now, and the aircraft it goes into is only just starting to see field deployment within the last few years (now, granted, some of that time was due to project delays and red tape, but still). So it makes perfect sense to me that the T-60 armor would be deployed while the X-01 suits existed. The T-60 armor had probably already been in development for years beforehand. And as another commenter pointed out, the "X" designation is typically given to experimental technology that is still being tested.

[@John.McMillan]

Exactly, And you can see in alot of fallout lore that alot of equipment in general only spent a couple years (if that) in testing before being fielded due to the war looming, Hence why you can see such stupid looking gear in fallout- It was just slightly better than current so they used it, The XO-1 was probably the only time in recent that universes US military went "lets take our time with this" Then again, The US has the bradley so they might do that as is. (Im aware it was being developed since the 80's)

[@weafon1532]

yeah X-01 just sound like a name you would slap on a prototype before giving it a proper name

[@howdoin99]

Ahh so you're the guys blowing our money on the criminally mismanaged and unecessary (the F-22 is already king and that doesnt project to change soon) F-35 program. Give us billions in refunds so we can buy a fleet of A-10s and F-22s and we're good for a couple decades or more.

[@robwitzke9634]

@@howdoin99 Actually yeah. We do stuff for the F-35, and frankly I couldn't agree more. All of this time and money went into developing an aircraft that doesn't even perform as well as it's predecessor, the F-22. And it's not just the cost of the parts themselves, but also all of the completely unnecessary requirements and regulations for parts that aren't even flight safety parts. Lower tier suppliers are so tied up in all of the red tape flowed down from the government and all of the big aerospace companies that we have no choice but to increase our prices just to cover all of the extra paperwork and engineering overhead. And that in turn makes the final cost of the craft inflate to ridiculous amounts. Even recently, a bunch of the big aerospace companies came together to develop yet another ISO spec that is supposed to standardize requirements across the aerospace industry. And yet again each company is going to have their own requirements above and beyond that spec, effectively making it useless. The whole aerospace industry is out of control. Edit: it was an AS spec, not an ISO spec, but the point is still the same.

[@teoborges3949]

Actually is likely that T-60 is a custom kit for the T-45d, it was probally called as T-48 due to be a upgrade for the T-45 in use, it saw minor action at Anchorage but is widely used by American Troops on Cuba, Chinesse Assault and support allies groups on Asia before the nuclear war, the T-60 was also used by the Encçave before they have the schematics of the many X-01 & upgrade them.

[@Bandito7537]

No no no the real question is why you can’t break the glass on the quantum power armor case and just take it.

[@derek8685]

Butters Scotch you can use a glitch with a power armor

[@sithis1101]

They fixed it

[@aarbeienmelk]

@@derek8685 you can open the console commands and type in tcl and walk right trough the glass

[@killerklown6905]

I hate when they do this stuff...show u amazing items but say u cant have them it bugs the mess outta me lol

[@aarbeienmelk]

Rip physics

[@sebsazz5301]

Wait the t-51 was actually used in the battle of anchorage at the very end. That’s why in the broken steel dlc you receive winterized t-51 armour that was supposedly used in Alaska

[@Fenris2]

T 45 was most mass produced t 51 was a limited amount

[@GoldenBeans]

I recall spotting t50 power armor in the anchorage dlc when you go into that simulation pod to fight in alaska but i could be wrong

[@Forsaken_Blood]

You mean at the end of Operation Anchorage.

[@Eazya1000]

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[@keithsnowww1907]

Yes they used those to drive them out of anchorage

[@Spiderpoison2012]

I personally like the new power armor design because it just feels more immersive to wear some op hulking armor that I climb into rather than something I just slip on like it’s another pair of clothing

[@lazwardazure9669]

Yeah that's why i like this new system alot more than in F3 and NV where you just put it on and forget it and this makes power armor feel more important than just "armor"

[@jael9791]

Too op s an understatement

[@xwing2417]

I completely agree. It's like piloting a one man tank.

[@PugnaciousProductions]

Nihulistic99th I mean, it's meant to be effective, not look good.

[@mayhare9754]

Agreed. It feels infinitely more powerful and fun to use in Fallout 4 than in other FO games. Not to mention you don't have the silly pip-boy sticking out like in previous games.

[@durandol]

My XO-1 armour is powered by confusion cores.

[@deenda8659]

Durandol Nice

[@BerzerkVideos]

That was amazing XD

[@codbrothers5104]

lol

[@ethandanner487]

Durandol lol

[@darthmemeious9526]

its armor not armour

[@ethanthompson1097]

Further proof for your theory lies in the name of the X-01 itself. In the military naming convention there is letters and numbers. The army uses M for weapon model (M4/M16) H for helicopter (with a modifier such as U for utility or A for attack). The air force uses A for attack, B for bomber, C for Cargo and F for fighter aircraft. Across all branches, however, the letter X designates an experimental weapon system. Once that system is fielded it is given the letter Y for prototype. So in the fallout universe the power armor series has been given the designation T. The X-01 is a series of power armor but because it has an X instead of a T we know that it was an experimental system that had not yet been fielded.

[@coolminecraft1457]

Ethan Thompson after personally looking through the Whitespring bunker I can confidently say that the X-01 did exist prewar and as the loading screen says it’s series was used by remnants of the government I know that in some occasions the word “ series” may also include the “X” model and it is highly likely that the enclave designated as upgraded and maybe a redesign of the X-01 power armor

[@canadianbluepants9446]

@@coolminecraft1457 well in a loading screen for Fallout 4 it says "The X-01 series of Power Armor was specially engineered and employed by remnants of the U.S. military after the Great War, and offers increased protection over the older, pre-war models."

[@explorerofthedeep]

I think the T denoting power armor stands for “Titan”.

[@pyro2901]

@@canadianbluepants9446 engineering could just mean updating the power armor blueprint and making it fully functional, and the quantum special varient was finished early by the nuka cientists

[@slyfredtrix4772]

It's just a name

[@Ducks892]

Also, in the game Fallout Shelter, you can find the X-01 Power Armor in the Guide (once you unlock it) and the description mentions it was made to protect the president before the war.

[@ITR933]

Interesting find ngl

[@mouldygolem4493]

so The X-01 can be found in Boston because the president was involved there? did any fallout game even name the president during 2077? or even the Vice?

[@장성우-z6v]

in FO76 there are secret service agents and they have T-65 power armor plans instead of X-01 maybe that is why X-01 stayed as Prototype until enclaves actually used it?

[@society5767]

@@장성우-z6v that's a good explanation!

[@xxtalkingtomxx9072]

I do not know if the variants matter, but for the X-01 MKIV, It explicitly said Post War, perhaps Bethesda changed the description.

[@LordRunolfrUlfsson]

The X-01 and T-60 power armors were likely competing models. The US Government has historically let different suppliers submit designs and then held a sort of competition to see which it will ultimately purchase (the competition between the F-22 and F-23 being a recent example). The X-01 presumably lost the competition, possibly because it was more expensive to build or maintain than the T-60, but prototypes still exist. The Enclave presumably based its advanced armor designs on the X-01 prototypes.

[@amonrah250]

Guess the lore can be a bit confusing first.

[@YoruKurotsuki]

It could also be the result of the US military just giving the T-45 series a final gasp by means of refurbishing, before its eventual retirement. It's already done extensively. A good example is the M16, heavy and outdated, but it's still in use, mainly because they still work. They get upgrades, but its slowly being phased out. While the X-01 is being tested, why not fix the kinks and problems they knew the t45 had? It would also make sense that it would be used by soldiers working domestically, as the Guard and Reserves are usually given the older equipment

[@hobomisanthropus2414]

Someone who understands how military contracting works. Also, another possibility, is the T-60 is simply an improvement on the T-45 series, in a similar fashion to how the M1A2 Main Battle Tank is, at a glance, a copy of the M1A1 Abrams. Given the similarities between T45 and T60, manufacturing and retooling would be much faster, while a full R&D cycle on the X01 (Likely to become the T-71) was conducted. As for the Loading screen, this could just be a grammatical error too "Specially Engineered, the X01 Power Armor was employed by remnants of the US Army..." A single comma ch anges the entire context of the sentence.

[@memestealer6348]

I would also think that the X-01 was more expensive therefore they just upgraded the T-45 as they would have alot more of those suits to work with

[@zeusthefox1585]

Thats actually a good theroy! But that wouldnt explain why theres so much X-01 in the Commonwealth and in West Viginia. Maybe it was massed produced but was for Black ops missions meaning it was more scarce. Or considering its design it could of been a Juggernaut suit which explains the Expense of repairing and maintaining it, its armor is incredibly thick, aswell as the huge neck guard.

[@lavafoxx]

Personally i still think that bethesda put the XO 1 in nuka world because it was cool looking, not being part of lore.

[@garpogods8323]

In response to us complaining about no XO1 power armor skins

[@vampireguy2495]

I think that's exactly what went down at the Bethesda Fallout 4 Office. Intern 1:"Dammit!" Intern 2:"What, Jon?" Intern 1:"I was just looking at the Fanmail we've been getting sent in the Company Email, and i've been seeing a large number of comments concerning the X-01 Power Armor." Intern 2:"What's wrong? Another Bug?" Intern 1:"No, no. It's that we've been giving all the other Suits of Power Armor custom Skins, while the X-01 only has Institute! The X-01 isn't even affiliated with The Institute!" Intern 2:"So what, they want us to make a new Custom Skin for only X-01?" Intern 1:"Yeah! Exactly!" Intern 2:"Well, i've got this T-51 Custom Skin for the Star Control going along really nicely, how are we goin-" Intern 1:"Make that Quantum Skin for the X-01!"

[@zhop951]

Seems Accurate.

[@DiscordOfDave]

I agree completely. They probably stuck it in their without thinking about it.

[@sgx5741]

Intern 2:"Well what are we going to do with the T51 it took me a long time to think about it that paint job," Intern 1:"Just give it another Nuka-Cola paint job." Intern 2:"How about another Nuka-Cola paint job," Intern 1:"Hey that sounds like a good idea!"

[@robin6469]

I believe the T-60 is not really a separate suit of power armour from the T-45 but is instead an upgraded and retrofitted suit of T-45. This would explain how the brotherhood got so many suits of T-60. They simply upgraded their T-45 suits using prewar tech (presumably found at Adam's airforce base). This would also explain why the military was deploying T-60 suits while developing X-01, they were likely trying to put the surplus sets of T-45 left over from anchorage to good use by upgrading them to modern standards and deploying them for domestic duty.

[@ERBanmech]

The Red Menace you know that’s not half bad of an explanation

[@jeffjom279]

No wonder t45 looks so similar to t60

[@slyfer60]

That's how I always thought it went

[@mrfrenly.wowwww]

I was thinking along the same lines!

[@theblueplague7164]

Dude, I know I am late and all, but holy crap that is a good explanation

[@WolfDragonTamer]

In real life there were specially made vehicles that had x in the nane meaning "experimental model", so maybe X-01 was an experimental power armor?

[@illegiblesmile]

Your correct in 76 the xo1 is an experiment

[@demonpride1975]

i think the true answer, these suits were on the verge of being released when the bombs fell, and john caleb bradberton had a few sent to him for this purpose, 1 at the power station for defense, and one at star command for display, because honestly no one knew the bombs were coming.

[@Leoluvesadmira]

I agree and never got the T designation cause it never went through acceptance trials. An alternative theory would be that X-01 was special forces unit while the T-60 was meant for general deployment to power armor units to replace T-45 and T-51 power armor

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

@Blue Kiddo or that it's just simply an earlier iteration of the armor, there isn't always just one prototype

[@AsymmetricalCrimes]

​​@@BluexKiddoBecause it was a prototype. But prototype wasn't literally in its name. They're just calling it that because that's what it was.

[@MrPoogly]

I figured the answer was Bethesda doesn't give a shit

[@Godzilla691138MW3]

Kenneth Wong Probably is the true reason. lmao

[@MrPoogly]

godzilla691138MW3 From what I've read, essentially almost no one from the original FO3 team is there anymore, same for Obsidian's NV team. I forgot what interview it was but they even said it when they were talking about FO5 New Orleans that anyone that was working at Beth on the FO team when Fo5 was in concept stages no longer works there. At this point, I fully expect them to not respect the lore.

[@LordHammer33]

"When F05 was in concept stage". Wouldn't that be like now?

[@vesniss9605]

in fallout 5 we introduce the T-78 made on October 23,2077

[@frozenfruitcake6256]

General Tullius you? i thought you were dead? eh are you in sovengarde ;)

[@widgetfilms]

We actually see Soldiers wearing T-60 power armor in the beginning of Fallout 4, guarding the gate outside Vault 111.

[@SnowTheKitsune]

*facepalm* That part is when war started...

[@killme6347]

Isn't that exactly what Wyvernblue said?

[@crazynitwit1209]

Wyvernblue it's odd tho as when you leave the vault there is only like 3-4 bodies none of which are encased in power armour or have any indication that they were in power armour at any point.

[@SnowTheKitsune]

crazynitwit well 200+ years past..

[@fz5244]

The power armor is strong they might have survived and walked away

[@kanevaldier]

I have a simple explanation for the odd time line. This in fact happens in real life where a prototype of a new weapon or vehicle is made but not fully distributed. Meanwhile, a new variant of a mass produced already fully functioning piece of equipment is produced. This can be seen in just about every military faction and is generally considered a way of life. Usually, only a small set number of soldiers or units will get to "test" the prototypes in real life scenarios and this would be consistent with the fact that there are so many in the commonwealth. In this manner the loading screen is correct as is the lore and much of the issues brought up in this video.

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

kanevaldier this comment should be pinned

[@Crazymoniker]

Examples of this being the XM8, the XM25, the XM29, and the XM806. Notice the pattern there? All 'X' prefixes. I don't think that's a coincidence, and if it is, it's an awfully convenient one.

[@crimscorpion]

kanevaldier that's right, "engineered" does not mean "invented"

[@xXXhighrollerx]

PIN THIS COMMENT

[@FurreverFaith]

Super late to the show here but Kanevaldier is pretty much on the money with this, because the thing not mentioned in this video is how long it takes to produce said T-50 Power Armor. Also with the whole testing out proto-types is spot on as well, what would have theoretically happened if the bombs had not dropped is they would have tested the X-01 and after the initial testing period they would have brought it in and checked the data for any bugs or flaws to fix and ways to improve it as a whole. Sadly that never happened until long after the war with the Enclave as they took the data from the time after the bombs dropped to look at and correct any flaws thus giving us the Advanced Power Armor which would make the sequence of suits line up without any real gaps in the pre war time frame.

[@TheImmortalBloodwolf]

13:37 I have an answer for this question... In the real world if the military needs something they tell companies what they want developed and the different companies compete to have their one product deployed... Most likely the t60 defeated the x01 because of part costs or something that made the x01 suit not practical

[@Clenan11]

1337!!!ELITE!!!

[@johnmiller2774]

No they sign what they want a ceartin time frame then they may reactive funds to help but the us will hire many companies and sign contracts to

[@GoodlyData86596]

Judging from repair costs, I can see why.

[@tarheelpro87]

Lol love the time stamp

[@martinivers489]

About the whole Jet thing: Myron merely CLAIMS he invented jet. He might well have stumbled upon it in some pre-war magazine, and lied about it. Would suit his character.

[@martinivers489]

Actually, when asked how he created it, he says: "In my lab? Next question?" is avoiding when asked a second time and finally replies with some completely non-sensical pseudo-scientific bubble.

[@randomdude-4353]

Yeah, but the only way to produce it is from brahmin dung and the brahmin only emerged from nuclear radiation after the bombs dropped. Even if Myron didn't invent it, it still is a post-war invention.

[@thorcdt8875]

Ian Miller only postwar way of producing it that we know of. They’re could easily be a pre war way of producing it that has been lost to time.

[@Wired_User]

Ian Miller could have been using pre-war cow dung before hand. Honestly jet just sounds like jenkem.

[@uberd3323]

I just chalk it up to pre war Jet and Myron's Jet being entirely different chems that share a name and imbibing method: Pre War Jet's high changes people's perception of reality to make them feel like theyre moving through bullet time and has far less of an impact on the user's health and minimal withdrawal effects 180 years later, Myron is employed by the Morenos to make a chem that'll get people hooked fast. He experiments with peyote but finds that its not addictive enough before having a Eureka moment upon witnessing the Brahmin herders getting whoozy after working in the pens all day. He slowly refines his new chem to be extremely addictive and detrimental to the user's health, and decides to use the empty pre-war inhalers laying around as a dispensery, and the Morenos just call it Jet because thats what the labels on the inhaler say. The Great Khans, enraged by the events of Bitter Springs, begin to supply The Fiends with chems, and in an effort to spite the NCR they use information learned from the Followers to combine the effects of Pre war and Post war Jet together by adding Aerosol to the recipe, which proves to be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands due to its incredibly high addiction rate and potency. Turbo is introduced to the wasteland on a wave of blood and fire.

[@sbenton827]

It's not strange if you think about it like this 2067 - T45D deployed, obviously there is some kind of prototype now being worked on which turns into T-51B released in 2076 2076 - T51B deployed new prototype being worked on gets rushed out for civilian control( T-60) and to replace the older models while now another prototype is being worked on that will be superior in every way (x-01), but bombs drop leaving only maybe a few prototype suits of the x-01 In existence and maybe some schematics that the enclave use to finish fully developing it..?? makes sense to me..

[@mancan2494]

Makes sense to me to like.

[@Dom_510]

yep that clears it up pretty well. its not lore breaking you just actually have to speculate and use your brain lol

[@LuciferLonseraph]

@Dom510 Or, and just hear me out on this, you can use your brain and choose to interpret it like this: T-45 D: This represents the form of power armour predominantly used during the Sino-American War during 2067 and beyond, according to the Anchorage simulation IF you choose to believe that the General didn't choose to use his hand-wavium to justify its presence. It's name indicates that it's T45 Mark D, though it's more likely that the suits used during Anchorage are probably Mark As and Bs, with further developments being made later on during the war giving us Mark C through to Mark F. After all, why would they deploy the fourth variation to the front line first, as opposed to the first variation and then use the data found from the live-fire tests of actual combat to improve upon the design? T-51 B: This represents the form of power armour which is commonly considered to have replaced the T45 suits. It makes sense that eventually a different model would be produced, but probably to be used alongside the T45 in a different role, similar to how not all tanks are equal and some are developed for specific roles. They are, after all, meant to be the next evolution of combat, and all militaries are, if nothing else, people who choose to have lots of excellent single-task equipment as opposed to one above-average generalised piece of equipment. The name chosen suggests that its the Mark B variation, which again makes sense since its the model closely related to the Brotherhood, and any later variation suits would have been better put to use on the frontlines of the Sino-American War. This is all well-established, with the T-45 slotting in nicely to explain issues with the idea of power armour and stuff, and we can accept this. Here's where it gets tricky though - if the T-51 B variation is only meant to have been establised as a legitimate power armour by June 2076, that means that, at best, models C through F are established within the final, what, 16 months of the conflict, AND they managed to get a Model T-60 into mass production? Alternatively, look at it like this: T-60: Represents an upgraded version of the T-45, using similar techniques to the production of T-51, but because it modifies an already existing design with already existing materials and properties, as opposed to having to establish a brand-new design, it is able to be rushed out. Or alternatively, it's meant to be a BOS-exclusive synthesis of pre-war and post-war design, since the East Coast have apparently ditched all their T-45 suits and now exclusively use T-60, created during the in-between years of FO3 and FO4. This is fitting within their new lore, since they have apparently managed to create a modified zeppelin airship, as well as fully repairing Liberty Prime. Them managing to create something new based on pre-existing power armour designs to better suit their needs actually works for Maxson's forward thinking version of the BOS (forward thinking for the BOS, though their reasoning makes sense). X-01: IS just the APA from FO2 and FONV. The APA Mk 2 seen in FO3 can in turn be considered to be the APA Mk2 of FO2, or alternatively in keeping with the pre-war designation systems the APA V2 in FO2 is considered to be it's Model B to the APA's Model A. This makes the Mk2 in FO3 a legitimate development made, as opposed to simply retconning a design choice. As for their inclusion in the level lists? This is Bethesda, who heard our comments on the Enclave's PA in FO3 and therefore reused the old, more fondly remembered design AND allowed the T-60 to be used by non BOS players, and so added it to their level lists in order to avoid complaints about 1) locking the "best" gear behind a faction and 2) not allowing people to use their favourite enclave looking gear.

[@mandela7147]

or the t60 was to be a more mass produced power armor while the x01 was too expensive, kinda like the t34 is a mass produced tank and something like the is and kv series is less produced but more powerful

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

Maybe they got a suit of T51B and shaped it to look like a T-45D? X-O1=Advanced Power armour X-O2=Advanced Power armour MK 2 X-O3=Hellfire Power Armour

[@DUCKDUDE4100]

It makes sense why the military and later the brotherhood use T-60 when X01 exists. T-60 armour's inferior, but it also seems much simpler in design and more similar to previous itterations than X01, so it was likely easier to repair and produce on a large scale, especially post war.

[@jvazacas]

Most likely, the Brotherhood found schematics of T 60 but not for the X O1. And if X O1 is a prototype that wasn't put into mass production before the bombs dropped, the schematics would most likely be in one particular spot or building

[@thegermanfool8953]

The t60 is far easier to repair. and it doesn't cost nearly as much. it's less advanced and doesn't have as much complications as the x-01. not to mention the x-01 never got out of its experimental phase. so it's no surprise that The enclave were the only ones to modify these suits.

[@TacticalGoat]

​@@jvazacas hell no ur dumb, its just a modernized t45

[@farius125]

Oxhorn: makes clarifications to the fallout lore Fallout 76: Ima bout to ruin this mans whole career

[@TheCerbari]

Doesnt 76 work with his explanation, since you can get the plans for the XO1 in a prewar Terminal?

[@joemonkey18]

Fallout 76 is not cannon because its dogshit

[@thekornwulf]

I'm pretty well expecting Fallout 76 isn't gonna be considered canon

[@domagojgalekovic8507]

@@joemonkey18 its better than FO4, FO4 felt bland and boring, rather have a canon 76 than 4

[@teoborges3949]

@@joemonkey18 and never should be!

[@MikeBae]

Three things: The loading screen is actually consistent with the lore, if you consider that it says that the X-01 SERIES of power armour was developed by the Enclave. As you mentioned, the APA is actually an UPDATED version of the pre-war X-01 PA. This would mean that the APA is still part of the X-01 series of power armour--so unless Bethesda explicitly says that the series number of the APA is X-02 and not X-01, there no contradiction in the lore there. The T-60 series of armour can be seen as an upgrade kit of the existing T-45 series of power armour. This makes sense considering how similar the T-60 is visually to the T-45. The prevalence of the T-60 in the Commonwealth also makes sense considering the presence of the National Guard and army bases in the Commonwealth in general, and, as you mentioned, the T-60 was only deployed domestically. Had the world not ended, it's likely that the T-60 upgrade kits would have been sent to the front lines for field upgrades to the already-deployed T-45 (which is sensible since supplying your entire front line with T-51s would take a lot more time and resources, and upgrade kits require minimal engineering work). In terms of how the T-51 fits into all this, the loading screens still state that they were the most advanced power armour deployed at the time the bombs fell, yet the in-game stats have the T-60 as being superior. Advanced ≠ best, however. The T-45, and the upgraded T-60, offer protection by being bulky armour constructed almost entirely out of thick, heavy steel plates, whilst the T-51 is far more mobile / agile, and offers similar protection without thick, heavy armour plates. So the T-51 would still be the most advanced power armour available on the balance of the technology it uses, the protection it offers, and the agility it provides. This is consistent with the stats in FO3 and FONV, where the T-45s came with a huge loss in Agility compared to the T-51. Basically, if the T-51 came with armour plates as thick as the ones in the T-60, it would offer vastly superior protection due to the more advanced polymers and ceramics in its construction, while the T-60 gets its protection by literally welding even more thick, heavy steel plates on top of the already bulky steel T-45.

[@1111Tactical]

"The Enclave"also existed before the war. So the Enclave making something =/= must be made after the war. The Enclave were a shadow government portion of the US Gov't that bsically existed as soon as it was known nuclear war with China was likely, pre=planning and preapring to hide away in their own bunkers and bases like the Oil Rig in FO2.

[@kek1247]

Mike Bae yes

[@pyrxent.archive101]

Mike Bae 1. THE ENCLAVE IS ELEMENTS OF THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT NOT MILITARY. THE BOS IS ACTUALLY REMEMENTS OF MILITARY.

[@solidmoon8266]

Actually no the T-51 existed beforw the battle of Anchorage and is designes to be a more versitle armor in exchange for reduced heavy plating...

[@clickbait6035]

Mike Bae. I think it’s developed pre-war and was never mass produced. The Enclave knowing how to build it mass produced it.

[@Gorgotrove]

Don't forget in military designations, X denotes a prototype. Working theory, wasn't actually employed yet, but in a stage of mass produced prototypes, in which production kinks and other development bugs are worked out. Given the state of imminent war, the US military was probably pushing out all sorts of designs, even if redundant (developing Prototype T-45 Medic armor on an inferior, older version of power armor, FO3). That would be in keeping with US military tradition. WWII saw this happen, and the Cold War especially, with equipment being developed and produced that was already inferior or immediately phased out after little time in service. Given real world snafu's, Bethesda has the luxury of just pointing at stupid in-game bureaucracy and blaming that, and it actually kinda makes sense most of the time. Lets just hope that never becomes SOP.

[@1111Tactical]

Yup, field tested M16's that were experimental and before they were standard issue were called XM16E1's.

[@RocketHarry865]

Had I been on the development team of fallout 4 I would have made it so that the T-60 power armour to be slightly weaker than the T-51. The T-60 would be an attempt to update the t-45 to more modern standards and was intended to be a more cost efficient and easier to produce alternative to the T-51b.

[@robertcanty9756]

Military could have announced, or was about to announce a new prototype and thus handed one to Nuka-Cola. Remember what the military uses the letter "X" for in equipment models. It means experimental.

[@robertcanty9756]

+Liam Barnes That's a Roman Numeral, the military doesnt use those in primary designation codes.

[@mrnobody9193]

Lance O'Enchiantie in fallout two it was developed by the enclave on the oil rig. so either it's a loose lore or expanding or its being retconned.

[@five5105]

Actually, the US military uses the designation "XM" (This used to be a "T", but was changed in the 1960s) for prototypes and projects in development (For example, the XM29 OICW). For equipment put into military service, the designation "M" was given (For example, M1 Abrams, M16, ect.) The US military in Fallout does not do this, but from what I gather they designate things like power armor with a "T", and rifles (Such as the R91, AKA the Assault Rifle in FO3) received and "R" designation. Other weapons used by the US military in Fallout are named by their commercial names, rather than military designation, for some reason.

[@NoName-cv9zc]

Lance O'Enchiantie dheuhd

[@DoctorPortal_IX]

Actually, I seem to remember that a series of logs in Fort Strong told us that the T-60 was *not* a newly-designed power armor set. Rather, it was still just the T-45 suit, having been upgraded and improved on so much since 2076 that, by then, it hardly resembled the original T-45 and was therefore reclassified as its own unique line. That both ties in with what you mentioned about the T-45 and T-60 being so visually similar, plus it answers the question about why they would deploy the T-60 when the X-01 was already in development.

[@sunicarus8607]

Nah they just put the Quantum X-01 power armor suit in the space display because they wanted to motivate you to get ALL THE GOD DAMNED STAR DEALIES SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY OPEN IT ://

[@topcoppelion6626]

Found all star cores and i have no regreats

[@adnansabanovic6488]

@@topcoppelion6626 lol

[@johannesdesigbjorn8033]

And you still can glitch in to that glass, steal all the pieces and glitch out of it xD

[@craig2114]

Johannes De Sigbjorn I kept getting a near by enemy message so I had to go and clear out the whole place before I could leave, I glitched in 5 different times before I could leave

[@jaydoesanything7652]

I just used the cheat room mod. I got the suit in the room, and now I own 2 Nuka-quantum X-01 suits.

[@moonscript4675]

I WILL FOREVER BELIEVE X0-1 WILL BE ENCLAVE POWER ARMOR

[@theresnothinghereatall]

penis

[@moonscript4675]

Ok

[@jackhayter2364]

SlingJellyStickyGlue BECAUSE IT IS

[@moonscript4675]

I BELIEVE IN YOU!

[@markm204]

F!ck yeah

[@thomassmith6580]

The only update needed to fix the loading screen is move the comma from “earlier, pre-war” to before the word “and” in the first sentence.

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

Correction, Jet was created pre-war Myron only took credit for rediscovering it and making the process faster and cheaper, the wiki credits him as the "creator" of Jet.

[@deathbyignoranceYT]

really nigga

[@SoupyMittens]

thats only a theory, its not really known if it's pre war or not.

[@crystalclearchaos5387]

@@SoupyMittensisn't it on a pre war drug dealers terminal in sanctuary

[@YouJustGotHustled]

Hey can you do a 30-40 min lore video about that eyebot that gets possessed after its death starting at 5:50? Thanks in advance!

[@GamerMoment_]

is that an eyebot or a basketball?

[@LordOfTheEyebots]

Tons of tiny air jets that initiate a spinning attack? XD

[@peachesperiod6382]

Clowns lol I noticed it too

[@jessejohnson8031]

its a joke :p

[@hendrik8277]

I'm dead.

[@Mad1Caster]

In my opinion, the T-45D, T-51B, and the T-60 power armor sets were a commercial military version set of enhanced armor, while the X-01 power armor was a top secret (CIA like) set of advanced armor that had perks that the commercial version did not have. That would be used as a trump card for the war of resources. Due to a nuclear apocalypse, they had to abandon the prototype, which was later finished by an unnamed source or faction after the Great War. All those who play fallout should know the pre-war government liked to hide a lot from the public. Subscribe to this guy and leave a like. He deserves it for his research.

[@210420rocky]

Indeed my friend.

[@EwanMarshall]

It may have been not until 200 years into the enclave that they had figured out how to mass produce the X-01 in sufficient quantities. I figured they were trying to shortly before the war as well as after while in parallel trying to improve those they could mass produce.

[@headhunter-ty1zx]

Voodoo Ranger very secret of them to put one in the middle of the most populated theme park in the world super secret

[@Mad1Caster]

@headhunter 9865. Well yeah, Its a prototype just like how the USA army is making an Ironman power suit(loosely speaking) It was in a magazine when I 1st found out about it around 2007-08. In other words what I'm trying to say is EVERY one is proud of what they make and can't keep things to them self no matter how secretive they want it to be leaks will always be out there it's not well known that the usa is making an Ironman suit and I'm sure more then half the people reading this message will look this up in disbelief( here I saved you some time www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/politics/special-operations-iron-man-talos-suit/index.html ) . They could have wanted to make a big reveal of the product at the theme park but the bombs fell. So again it still is plausible that the armor would be there.

[@1111Tactical]

Could also still be a military power armor, but for special forces only.

[@nickfox9643]

I think it is like you said, just a goof. why would they display the results of a top secret military project (the Quantum enhancement), and top secret set of power armor at a theme park.

[@LadyTakanashi]

People would initially think it was a Sci-Fi prop, not really a legitimate piece of equipment, its a common military practice at times when dealing with new equipment or controversial materials. Make it seem farfetched and more fictional, to discredit actual legitimate claims of the objects existence.

[@TheMegaOlve]

Sometimes the best place to hide something right under somones nose

[@alcolito7265]

TheMegaOlve I tried it with my dog, hid his food, he instantly found it You lied

[@paulalang5992]

Some scrubby Scrub Can you smell military secrets? Wait, don't answer that... They're watching... 😕

[@tonyandrys8872]

The Yf22 Raptor was put into a video game 10 Years before it was made public.

[@duckhunter354]

Let's think about this from what we know in fallout. The X-01 is more costly to repair than all other suits in the game. Most likely the United States Government decided that, rather than pouring tons of money into a prototype suit that hadn't even been fielded or battle proven yet, they could do the cheeper option and upgrade a pre-existing suit that saw extensive service in the sino-american war, the T-45. Plus, they could have still been putting it through tests/modifying it. That's my theory, anyway :-)

[@ilovefanservice]

Bethesda really doesn't give 2 shits about the fallout universe lore... let's be honest here.

[@stuckp1stuckp122]

agreed

[@stuckp1stuckp122]

i agreed to ilovefanservice

[@adamudale7872]

just because they retconn lore doesn't mean they don't care...that argument is so dense. Retconns happen in almost every franchise.

[@meanguy1243]

But not to this extent with the release of one entry in the series. Power Armour lore is completely fucked at this point, seeing as Power Armour represents Fallout's image; 1. vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/d/d1/Boxart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050209002312 2. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/PC_Game_Fallout_2.jpg Tactics. www.mobygames.com/images/covers/l/6256-fallout-tactics-brotherhood-of-steel-windows-front-cover.jpg Pen and Paper. vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/3/31/D20_final.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20061211012109 3. vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/8/86/Fallout3_Cover_Art_PC.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150327224156 4.glitchsgr.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/fallout4_pc_boxfront-ee-01_1433339890.png?w=730&h=1024 Bethesda doesn't care about the franchise, you'd be blind to not see it. This is just because of lore misconceptions, the RPG element got tossed like a salad, the DLC was shit, Automatron was the only one that felt like it brought something new, FH was Point Lookout but Fallout 4'd meaning it was full of potential, but failed to live up to it and Nuka World was two dimensional. Obsidian made a better game in 18 months than Bethesda made in 7 years.

[@cniht]

At this point I agree in a general sense. Bethesda is just milking the franchise. Craps given = zero. The story in this one and the after ending was horrid. And any time a franchise starts relying on the old troupe of 'Nazis' (Maxson's Brotherhood of Steel) in a game it gets tiring fast. Crazy thing is with Skyrim they started doing that as well. The question is if they just end up taking the Thalmor too far.

[@ivanbro1208]

Maybe the X-01 was made for some kind of special forces? While the T-60 was made for the common army

[@aarbeienmelk]

Cud be a thing

[@TheDmantheman100]

I'm sure it was built to work with the fat man due to high quality armor and radiation protection. just to expensive to manufacture so only billionaires and government got those prototypes. t60 was updated t45 for home defence and crowd control towards the end of the war. that's why bos have so many suits and all t60 suits stayed in America and never fought in Alaska or China.

[@randomzebraontheinternet7779]

You're wrong buckeroo, T-60 is one of Bethesda's shitty retcons to make some "kool lol" power armor meanwhile T-51b and T-45d were military power armors, X-01 and the X-02 were developed by the Enclave and sure X-01 could've had some pre-war prototypes but that'd be really it and X-01 and Hellfire are post-war. Fuck Bethesda's retconning and fuck you because this is the internet and I can do whatever I fucking want.

[@randomzebraontheinternet7779]

@American Nyan That was actually funny

[@glinting_infantry6823]

Possibly?

[@PHANTOMCOWGIRL]

This is probably just a game level thing, but Fallout 4's power armor is the only one that's like proper power armor as most people know. In others, it seems to be just strong armor/clothing in a sense.

[@rubenlopez3364]

The others are more like Halo Spartan armor but more retro

[@bolican9843]

@@rubenlopez3364 yea

[@justasgriskevicius3492]

clearly you haven't played fallout 1 or 2. in those games while wearing power armor you are ACTUALLY invincible unless very high damage special weaponry is used against you

[@plack_benis382]

Thats one of the only things i really like about fallout 4. They did that right for sure, though they lost the need for power armor training along the way...

[@PHANTOMCOWGIRL]

(really late, I know) I meant my original comment as in in the other games, Power Armor is just armor pieces like normal that are super strong. Whereas Fallout 4 is (as far as I know) the only one where it's a standalone system of proper power armor/exosuit kind of deal. I'm sure they're strong in the early games but (from what I've seen in videos, I admittedly haven't played myself) the way they're equipped is like regular armor. "Game level" probably was me trying to say something like development limitations... or something, I'm not too sure on that front. It's weird trying to decode comments from your past self 1-2 years ago during a deep-dive of random youtube videos that was likely at like 1 AM.

[@shanejude25]

Bro your character in fallout 4 was in the military and used power armor pre “the big kaboom” If you remember that’s the whole reason he was able to enter the vault in the first place

[@SirLyonhart]

Your character was a chopper pilot pre-war and while he/she would have been familiar with power armor, at least from the standpoint of getting someone out of it in an emergency, he/she wouldn't have been trained in its use.

[@thevikingseer]

@@SirLyonhart we see him in the beginning cutscene in power armour

[@unfortunatecircumstances8870]

@@thevikingseer That isn't him. Your character is in the infantry, the one with the locket of Nora.

[@nodignity6159]

Ok, but it doesn't explain how everyone in the Commonwealth knows how to use power armor. Y'know, like Gunners... Raiders... I HATE how FO4 hands these things like candies when they're supposed to be more rare

[@Nobody-js2og]

@@nodignity6159 i feel like gunners could get a pass since there more Militarized like they found a old bunker with info

[@murkrowyeet8484]

T-60 was probably developed for domestic use because it is so similar in design to the T-45d. In pre-war posters and magazines, the T-45d is what's most commonly depicted (from what I can remember). The military probably had the T-60 modeled after the T-45d so that it would be recognized by civilians, and wouldn't be too new, or give away how much power armor has developed. The X-01 was probably top secret (except for the quantum suit, which was probably explained as being just a display model of a 'space age' power armor suit, and not an actually functional prototype) and therefore wasn't going to be used domestically.

[@murkrowyeet8484]

Additionally, the contradictory statement on the development of the X-01 vs the Advanced Power Armor may just come from in-world confusion on the differences between the two. If the projects were secret enough, then it would be understandable if knowledge about them is mixed and mingled

[@ZezacleB]

Its also likely that the T-60 was developed and deployed as a cheaper substitute for the X-O1, leaving the advanced model to only be used for combat.

[@Crazyollie123]

Leon H Not to mention that most enclave armor has built in nutrients and water delivery systems so it would make sense that the military contractors at nuka world would be working in on it after hours. Better to bullshit about it being a non functional display, than having journalists crawling over the top secret labs and seeing it.

[@TotallyArrJay]

My theory is that the T45 and T60 are actually the same, just with slight modifications and appearance changes, kinda like how in the real world there's the FN MAG and M240, or the M249 and L108A1 machine guns

[@Chonk_Wrap_Printing]

The X0-1 was probably made to replace the T-51 and the T-60 was probably gonna replace the T-45, hence the need to make both of them

[@ohlala9546]

Or the production cost of the x-01 was too high so they needed something faster for mass production and the x-01 was only for special forces and such

[@ohlala9546]

well the x-01 looks more grim than any other power armor. For special forces or even for the normal infantry that could play a part in psychological warfare. That could be a reason for the missing t51 look.

[@Toastermansack]

Isn't there a locked away X01 at the top of a building in the common wealth protected by assaultatrons and a Sentry bot? Doesn't that add to the confirmation that the X01 was created pre war?

[@ohlala9546]

Problem with the gear in Fallout 4 is that it's levelled. It is only a full x-01 set if you are lvl 40 or above (i think) when you first approach it. It can be every other armor. Same goes with the other Power armors spread around the wasteland. Its sad that there is no constant x-01 spawn thats just protected by such difficult enemies that you can only take it at such high level, because that would give a little story background.

[@Friedrich687]

When it comes to military, sometimes the best isn't always accessible, perhaps the T-60 was a cheaper "Poor mans" version of the armor.

[@randomzebraontheinternet7779]

Power armor would only take up like 5 minutes of small arms fire before getting you killed in reality, so it's just a waste to even develop power armor in reality and why the fuck would the U.S need power armor when military vehicles would've been nuclear powered and therefore nullifying the need for power armor because what's more effective? A metal man that would die in like 5 minutes or a FUCKING TANK! Not even mentioning fallout's U.S army having a huge supply of military-grade bots capable of either simple logistics work to THROWING TACTICAL NUKES AT THEM FUCKING COMMIES!

[@Cybetrexs]

@@randomzebraontheinternet7779 the point of power armor is that its ARMORED. It is several inches of hardened steel or titantium, it can resist hours of constant small arms fire. They say in the lore they didnt use tanks and switched to power armor because the tanks they had werent able to be fueled by fusion and of course oil was all but gone, so they downsized

[@jamestodd1104]

Professional Zebra Moron, search the RESOURCE WARS. They didn't have the fuel to power thousands of tanks

[@Cybetrexs]

@@jamestodd1104 not only that, if i remember correctly, the reactors they had were too big to fit in tanks and the fusion cores are too small to power the massive tanks they had

[@jamestodd1104]

The Gaming Specialist Yep, US would've had an unstoppable fighting force for all of 2 weeks until they were out of fuel and stranded in china

[@tuckerkaup]

I'd almost say that the T-60 was less of it's own development and more of a modernization of the T-45 being that they look so similar, it would be like a retrofit of older armor to be able to match the capacity of the T-51B which for a resource scarce world makes sense to retrofit old armor to be more capable, since that would shrink production and research costs, that would also help explain why there is so much of it (along side the brotherhood making their own)

[@hanzzel6086]

Especially since the T-51 uses complex composite materials and coatings, whereas the T-45/60 use simpler steel alloys.

[@taganreaper7304]

I think it's more like that X-01 was pre war prototype, then in 2198 Enclave continued work on it. Finally after years of research and development in 2215 they came up with Advanced Power Armor. Both armors looks similar, but when you look closer there are differences. So as some folks think they aren't the same thing. Imo Bethesda seen it this way.

[@RageUnchained]

i agree, the X01 lacks the cooling fan and in addition it also has a more symmetrical shroud around the shoulders and back where the APAMKI and APAMKII is Asymmetrical

[@coolminecraft1457]

Tagan Reaper I think your right plus a terminal entry in the Whitespring bunker ever says something of the sort

[@namesnotjoe1394]

@@coolminecraft1457 you've been replying to a lot of these comments lately.

[@captainobvious8264]

NamesNot Joe nothing wrong with replying

[@davidj3841]

Yes it was a prototype. That's what the X means. The X designation means prototype.

[@WillemDelport]

The X-01 is likely an experimental or prototype PA. Experimental aircraft in the real world are referred to as "X-planes", it is possible that is where the "X" in "X-01" comes from. The Enclave probably improved upon the prototype design and named the final version "Advanced Power Armour Mk. I". Edit: The Commonwealth was probably where new power armour was developed and tested, that would explain the presence of X-01 and T-60 on the east coast, and the absence of it elsewhere in the United States. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-planes

[@kitkat9322]

Good theory, you can even see how the Enclave's helmets get smaller and smaller, reducing the weight and (probably) improving certain parts.

[@unmi1231]

Willem D great theory, on top of that what if the T-60 was produced for the national guard and domestic warfare? Though it doesn't make since why would you use something that upgrades the power armor troops use over seas just on your homeland. But that's were the X-01 comes in. If it was finished it would have been deployed over seas.

[@vonneely1977]

Willem D Exactly. Baxter probably sent that suit to Bradburton to see if he could improve it with his new "quantum" tech, just like he did with his prototype FatMan. Figure it was just leaving yhe testing grounds when the bombs dropped, which is why the Enclave had them but the BOS didn't. Pentagon high-ups vs grunts in the field, basically.

[@andrewpowell4184]

I agree. The XM4 is the Experimental model of the M4 service rifle.

[@Lordmarlowe]

My understanding is that you don't require the power armor training perk because you're an army veteran and already trained in the use of power armor.

[@tristanriffle5288]

Nat Carr what about Nora? She's just a lawyer

[@zenoopt5990]

Tristan Riffle he's talking about the other fallouts not fallout 4

[@metaldad9695]

Nora is the female's default name in F4 lol

[@bananabanana7860]

Nat Carr Excatly what i thought

[@fpshightide]

The reason the player doesn’t need training to wear power armor is because he was already trained he’s an unstoppable killing machine before the bombs fell he was a war hero

[@Eventualmoss315]

He. HE. HE. My bro what about Nora?

[@fpshightide]

@@Eventualmoss315 you telling me if you got special training to drop any mf out there you wouldn’t teach it to your wife?? Cmon man it’s obvious Nate prepared Nora to handle anything

[@Msoy1999]

​@Eventualmoss315 oh I thought she was a war lawyer

[@kahunakool2155]

The T60 could be a modification or an enhanced variant of the T45. Here’s what I think would’ve happened; After the Battle of Anchorage, the US Military took notes and statements of the T45’s use in battle. There were probably many complaints with the armor that needed to be fixed in order for continued use to be a viable option. The engineers went back to the drawing board to make tweaks and modifications to the T45’s design to make it more suitable for combat. Keeping in mind the huge quantity of T45s that had been made, and factories that would have to be scrapped or modified to manufacture the new armor, the design needed to use the same or similar manufacturing machines as the T45 Power Armor to stop this time and money wasting process. It also needed to be compatible with the older models for easy modification and interchangeable parts so they would have to scrap as little of the T45s as possible. This led to the T60 design that was able to meet the criteria. During the modification of the factories to manufacture the T60s, all surplus T45s were gathered to modify into T60s or sell to private businesses such as Vault-Tech. During this part of the operation, the bombs fell and left the project in a standstill. There would be huge stockpiles of T45s across the country waiting for modification at different factories. Plus the factories would have the machine modifications partly installed or waiting to be installed. The Brotherhood would just have to find a factory mostly intact with the modifications waiting to be installed. Then they would just go from factory to factory, stockpile to stockpile picking up T45s and turning them into T60s, or making T60s from scrap.

[@SudsyMedusa53]

My personal theory on why there are so many X0-1 suits in the Commonwealth is the fact that power armor production factories were centered in Natick; also known as ground zero for the glowing sea. The reason you can't find those factories are because they were vaporized in the nuclear attack.

[@felmaraquino9986]

So X-01 armor is pre war but enclave X-01 is post war oh I get it but the enclave power armor is more advanced so they called it advanced power armor mk1

[@givemebutter5962]

felmar aquino Pretty much

[@RageUnchained]

the original designation of Advanced power armor is MkII powered combat armor. besides that the Advanced Power Armor MK2 looked like the X01 and its mk 1 variant and then eventually they developed the advanced power armor MK2 used in fallout 3

[@jackcraig1153]

I bet the X-01 was like Nuka Cola Quantum, meaning that it was only just being distributed when the bombs dropped, which is why it is so rare

[@jaydonthewarrior636]

if x-01 is post-war, there still fucking up lore. t-51b is meant to be the best post-war yet this would mean both t-60 and x-01 beat it out on this.

[@godsownaccident]

The not so lore friendly part is actually rather accurate. The “remnants” of the us army i.e. the enclave used this prototype only after the war. Which actually goes with what your saying.

[@mkohlhorst]

One possible explanation for developing the T60 when the X-01 already existed could be the government seeking a cheaper or more easily mass produced armor, or even something along the lines of a company that designed the T60 being awarded the contract for full production and the X-01 company (assuming it's a different company) being award a lesser contract for limited production. Or simply the T60 had been okayed for full deployment while the X-01 was still being developed and the T60 was slotted to be phased out by the X-01 but the bombs fell before this happened.

[@Fenris2]

The reason for nuka suit of x01 was funding for the military armor

[@coolminecraft1457]

mkohlhorst I’m not going to start an argument but if you bought Fallout 76 I suggest that you do the enclave quest and after gaining access to the military wing ( full access) there’s a terminal entry that describes some of the X-01

[@Mandemon1990]

T-60 was propably an upgrade pack for T-45, they share the same similar appearence and bulky look compard to T-51b more rounded looks. T-51b was propably still superior in terms of mobility and functionality, but T-60 was more advanced by sole factor of building on T-51b and upgrading T-45's to "Modern" starndards.

[@DarinRWagner]

On a related subject, I have always thought that the T-51 was a civilian/commercial version of the power armor used by the military since it has the most commercial paint jobs (Sugar Bombs, Abraxo, Vim!, Nuka-Cola etc). Sorta like the Hummer is the civilian/commercial version of the Hum-V.

[@StarFoth]

Darin Wagner Same here

[@dillonleon5558]

Darin Wagner makes sense

[@steamtacular]

I think it's more that the T51 was the most common suit at the time and as such there were plenty of surplus suits floating about. The Vim! paint jobs even reference the military appeal. I would imagine there was the beginning of a shift from the T51 to the T60 just before the war started meaning the US government was offloading some of its T51 stock. Hence why these companies grabbed them for advertising purposes.

[@glez13gt]

Actually since T-51 is the original power armor and it is also the one used in a great battle so it would be popular and respected within the public in the Fallout universe. So it makes sense that Bethesda choose it for all these paint jobs. There is no such thing as a civilian/commercial version, at least until now. They most probably just gave us the Quantum X-01 because it was the last DLC and they wanted to give us an unique version of the most powerful power armor, and went through a few hurdles in the lore to deliver.

[@P0werL1ch]

Its Humvee, not Hum-V. Or, the HMMWV, which means High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle

[@vd9866]

Maybe X-01 power armour is prototyped before the great war but mass produced after the great war? And the reason why T-60 is also developed and deployed after US army already had X-01 is probably that T-60 can be upgraded from T-45 to save budget, same reason why US fielded M3 grease gun even though the existing M1 Thompson is better. Resources would get scarce at the end of a total war. That also explains why BoS has such a large amount of T-60s considering they had many T-45s in FO3, they just need the schematics to upgrade the T-45s, much easier than produce them from the ground up.

[@bloodypine22]

Vlad the Impaler The M3 was better than the Thompson

[@vd9866]

www.quora.com/How-did-the-M3-submachine-gun-compare-to-the-Thompson

[@ohf3594]

The imperial Inquisition That's like saying Justin Bieber is better than Nirvana.

[@dstblj5222]

could also be a tooling problem which makes t-60 much easier to produce in the short term so it was a stop gap upgrade, and maybe the X0-1 was really expensive to make so they needed to find a way to make it cheaper.

[@vd9866]

dstblj 52 Yes that's a very plausible explanation, T-45 streamline can be directly re-purposed to T-60 production but for X-01 completely new streamlines are needed.

[@donavanrupard6219]

What’s funny is that it’s kind of simple the prototype suit was used to promote a soft drink that hadn’t come out yet somehow a 15 minute video was needed to explain

[@IsilmeTuruphant]

This is my headcanon for the X-01 in Nuka World. When the Enclave made their move in the time of the Chosen One, they sent scouts out all over to find and secure old military assets. When you find X-01s in Fallout 4, you always find them near Military assets or crashed vertibirds. Nuka World, with it's research into Power Armor enhancement (Project Cobalt). (The Original Cobalt-Enhanced power armor is actually the T-51 hidden in the World of Refreshment.) So these scouts arrive in Nuka World. They naturally make a beeline for Star Control which, with all of the Star Cores still in place, is networked to every corner of the park, including where Project Cobalt is. So they are unable to find the original enhanced suit. However, they are able to get the research data, which they then apply to one of their own X-01 suits. The research team gives their shiny new Quantum suit a snazzy Nuka-World themed paint job - Everything else with a Nuka World themed paint job is RED, but they went with BLUE for their prototype. Then The Chosen One blows up the Poseidon Oil Rig. The order is given to withdraw, but... there is limited space on the Vertibirds. People are more important than equipment at this point, so the armor is ditched. Those who can secure the armor in pre-war facilities. Some suits are damaged and just abandoned where they lie. (The poor bastard in the Listening Post in the Glowing Sea tries to repair his armor enough to be environmentally sealed so he can escape, but starves to death first). The Nuke World team has to ditch their armor. But where? They realize the glass on the display case in Star Control is armored, so they put it in there, figuring it would be mistaken for being part of the diorama. They then place a high level encrypted lock on the case. THIS is why you need more Star Cores to open a display case than you do to control every single armed robot in the place (Star Control needs enough processing power to crack the encryption). They always intended to return to retrieve the suit, but history had other plans.

[@MajorTurnip]

That's surprisingly good.

[@TripleT706]

Whoa....

[@thelongdrivehome3003]

Polenicus what about the big dig X-01

[@jessicstewart2010]

makes sense

[@rossadinho7362]

Polenicus that is logic, very good frend!

[@CDKing_]

Oh the joys of retconning and writing mistakes.

[@CSSstravag]

Not necessarily a mistake. No evidence to support this other than IRL precedent, but I suspect what you are seeing is divergent armor manufacturing paths from two or more different companies. The structure of the T-45 and T-60 units are real similar, so there is your first manufacturer. The T-51 is structured quite a bit different in terms of plate assembly, so there's a second. The X-01 could be a third company or a different take from the same group as the T-51 manufacturer, with my guess being same company as the T-51 production units. Remember that in pre-NATO designation nomenclature, the US used T-designations for armored units (T = tank), and X-designations for experimental units. (Air force uses T = trainer and X = experimental) How this possibility echoes IRL is that the present-day US aircraft are manufactured by multiple companies (Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, Boeing being the big three) but all use the same designation series (F = fighter, A = Attacker, B = Bomber). By this metric, I think the government issued frame specifications for the power armor and had more than one company bid out armor units to attach to those frames. Just my standing guess on the matter.

[@sulleh7127]

it's definitely a mistake, why would they retcon that? they just don't know shit about the series they doing

[@sabermaverick]

Wrong on the designations. Prior to 1962 all branches of the US military used their own designations for whatever they were using. After 1962 all of them were homogenized to resemble the Air Force system. Before 1962 the US Army used T=Test, M=Standard model accepted into service. For example when the M103 heavy tank was in its development phase it was known as the T43. As to what the US military does in the fallout universe is only up to the guys telling the story. Why Bethesda did what they did makes sense because they were not the originators of the story, merely those who currently own the license. So they can do whatever they want with it. Not that that is ever the best way of treating lore *cough* Star Wars *cough*...

[@YOGI-kb9tg]

sulleh exempt they know fully well there own lore and Bethesda have been making retcons for years in all there games. The way Bethesda makes there games is they make the world first then they add the story so they sometimes end up contradicting lore so they have to write a reason on why there is new lore that was never in an old game

[@ichangedmyname2231]

Ho boy.

[@LukeShimek]

It could be that the X-01 and T-60 were simultaneously developed, with T-60 being further along in the development and testing process than the X-01 so that the military felt they could deploy the T-60 to "average" soldiers, while the X-01 was still primarily a prototype when the bombs dropped.

[@briansouthparkstudio1357]

it's also likely that the T-60 is just an upgrade and refit for the T-45. maybe even the same kind of upgrade the brotherhood did to their T-45's to be ready to fight the enclave in fallout 3. and can even easily explain the brotherhood's ability to make them as even fallout 3's brotherhood of steel could make the T-45. so being able to make the upgrade and refit kits to upgrade the armor they can already make would be better for them then the advanced power armor mk 2 and the hellfire armor they had access to in which they have to retool and make their whole industry to make

[@Sworddancer48]

I agree that from a lore viewpoint it would probably have to do with the manufacturing cost. Even if it's not just a T-45 upgrade, its similar enough to be a lot less costly to produce than the X-01. Especially for mass production in wartime, less retooling of factories, as you already mentioned.

[@famtamradek5733]

Yes. The lore says that there was different ones. The first generation were used in the winter war and turned the tide. The next gernation dropped into China rightbefore the nukes... this special was supposed to be an elite model.

[@ChrisSauce77]

Yes, that was my thought as well ... t-51, t-60, and x-01 may all have had earlier concept and design, but the way things worked out, they all finished rather close to the Great War, despite having staggered starts.

[@Delphineas]

And/or the General in charge of Project Cobalt didn't share his info with his superiors/they didn't share. Wouldn't be the first time compartmentalized information ended up hindering progress. Though I can see how trying 2 or more ways to solve a problem in parallel might work.

[@LORDTHUNDERX]

Jet existed before the war, Myron just rediscovered and refined the process of making jet.

[@lHawkel]

Maybe the Enclave's PA and X-01 PA is the same. The X-01 found in the Commonwealth are prototypes, and the one from the Enclave is the official version that was actually mass employed for combat. As for the amount of X-01 in FO4, there are only 3 OFFICIALLY placed sets, and all of them are in Nukaworld. The rest are level dependent, which cant really be considered as part of the lore. If you never reach level 28, you'll never find ANY X-01 in the Commonwealth without Nukaworld, except a single X-01 helm from the Brotherhood of Steel, which made sense cuz it's probably a version employed by the Enclave.

[@lHawkel]

As for the loading screen, the process of engineering took place over a long period of time. The so it's possible that the Enclave continued the development of the PA after the Great War, the X-01 in FO4 is only the prototype. In this case, everything is lore-friendly.

[@Kirkto7]

Also in the Automatron DLC, if you pick an expert lock in the fort Hagen satellite array, there is a full suit of X-01 Mark III PA

[@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd]

Dude. Wtf is wrong with you people. Fallout Obsidian famboys and Anti Bethesda people dont use common sense. Youre gonna make them lose their last brain cell.

[@DarinRWagner]

Just "Oxhorn" and not "your friendly neighborhood Oxhorn?"

[@ignore2466]

Darin Wagner rip

[@theresnothinghereatall]

This is our evil city block Oxhorn.

[@DarinRWagner]

I've been really enjoying Oxhorn's channel. He's come a long way from "roflmao"

[@Weirdcheeto218]

i doubt youll see this oxhorn but what clothes does your character have on

[@Rct3master44]

There’s a mod for hearts of iron 4 that is themed around fallout and it has a really good solution to this problem. I makes x-01 the prototype for enclave power armor

[@randomzebraontheinternet7779]

Yeah but thats HoIV and this is Fallout

[@Nightmare-tf7zk]

And that's not true. The X-01 was a prototype it's self there was never no X-01 prototype cause it always was a prototype. The armor was never used on the battlefield however it was mostly finished. The X-01 is not Enclave Advanced Power Armor. The Enclave took the X-01 and modified it into Advanced Power Armor MK1. They did some modifications to the torso and arms. The Enclave also put mini Nuclear Reactors in the suits rather than use Fusion Cores. That's the true story behind it.

[@Scotttjt]

Love X-01 armor for its design alone. It's so unique compared to the rest; it almost makes you look like a hunched monster more than a robot.

[@thegermanfool8953]

problem is with all of that defense comes at the cost of repairing it. it's why I usually travel in t45s or t5s since they only require steel.

[@evant4739]

makes you look like a mirelurk

[@SoupyMittens]

@@thegermanfool8953 t5s? Thats gotta be the worst damn suit of power armor ever used

[@thegermanfool8953]

@@SoupyMittens my bad, I meant t-51.

[@marknewton7539]

There could be several reasons why the US might adopt the T60 after already creating an X-01 prototype. Firstly, defence spending isn't entirely, or even partially, dictated by utilitarian thinking. There is a hell of a lot going on behind the scenes, including budgetary issues, political wrangling, inter-departmental rivalries - you name it. I can imagine the X-01 was a pet project of certain individuals or companies and they continually pushed to develop it, despite it being, generally, impractical. It seems to be the US Army at this time became a bit technologically obsessed. They likely saw it as their only effective means to counter to the raw manpower of the Chinese - initial success at Anchorage would likely further encourage it. It's possible the DoD, DARPA (whoever) fell into the same trap of the Germans in WWII and became obsessed with what my history professor referred to as 'gold plated tanks' - gargantuan armoured machines, which although individually impressive, were simply impractical to win an actual war. I think the X-01 might be synonymous with German projects such as the Lowe, Maus and Ratte - massive super-heavy tanks that were being developed from as early as 1941, but which were all ultimately dropped (or ended by the end of the war). Prototypes were built, but they were so expensive, labor-intensive and impractical they essentially remained purely conceptual. So, faced with the actual day-to-day task of actually fighting the war, the Germans continued to build their established tanks (although these were also over engineered to a large degree) and instead made various upgrades to them in the form of variants. Considering their relative visual similarities, I imagine the T-60 is essentially an up-gunned T-51, and was much easier, cheaper and quicker to produce than rolling out the X-01, which at the time, had perhaps not even gone under combat trials. Furthermore, it seems likely the T-51 and T-60 share many of the same components and factories building one could easily be converted to build the other. That might not be so easy with the X-01. By the time the Enclave came along, they perhaps had the time and resources to develop what was in 2077 still a flawed project into something workable - the Advanced Power Armour (its interesting they changed the name, because traditionally the prefix 'X' is reserved for prototypes, so perhaps this suggests the X-01 was now out of prototype?). So, what is one doing in Nuka-World? Well, (and I dont have the DLC so I can only speculate) but perhaps it was a bit of a PR push on the part of Nuke-Cola and their military supporters to generate buzz around their project, which was seemingly being overlooked in favour of the T-60. For all we know, that X-01 quantum could simply be an aesthetic shell and was displayed far in advance of the project actually being completed. This is unlikely if it was top secret, but it might be something a corporate entity might do to win a government contract? Anyway, that was a lot longer than I expected.

[@akiraguy]

5 months too late for me, but I wholeheartedly agree

[@isaiahsmith7123]

Mark Newton Having the military show off experimental tech and new designs is not uncommon at least as per the early 20th century. They used to let reporters and photographers on new warships to show the public the raw might of the new steel Navy, so it's not inconceivable that in the hyper idealized world of pre war Fallout, that the military would do something similar but with power armor and weapons, of course all curated to not reveal secrets

[@joshuakim5240]

One thing a lot of people tend to forget is that when it comes to warfare, armor is almost never distributed in the most advanced form available. This is because a weapon is just one handheld device, and can be given to everyone MUCH cheaper than and entire suit of body-covering armor that likely costs several times more than the weapon. One example of this is how someone already made bulletproof "power armor" (so to speak) as early as 2007 and even demonstrated it on youtube, yet not a single soldier in the US military operates a single suit of those, nor are there any efforts to improve upon that suit for military purposes. The ONE downside to the X-01 compared to any other power armor model in Fallout 4 is that it is VERY resource expensive to repair, costing several additional, rare components like Copper to keep in good condition. In a resource perspective, the X-01 is actually the least efficient power armor for continuous operation because of how much more expensive it is to actually maintain. This is likely why it was never issued because the much more cheaper T-models still did their roles well enough and cheaply enough to make the X-01's existence rather ironically unnecessary for much rather than an experimental template. The thing we can gather from this is that The Enclave based their Advanced power armor on the X-01, but did NOT just merely copy it via reverse engineering because it was way too resource expensive to distribute to an entire army. The many years of experimental armor production therefore were likely efforts to make a "cheaper" but still just as effective version of the X-01, which they did succeed at doing.

[@zavire4]

joshua kim that suit of armor you talked about only protects against handgun rounds and the current issue stuff stops AP 30-06s that's why it wasn't adopted because the taliban uses aks not makarovs

[@charless.6429]

Mark Newton hai

[@errantvenatus6732]

For the T-60 and X-01 it could be that they were developed as separate projects. For different field applications and so on or with the X-01 suit being a badge of authority with the T series power armors being an enlisted set. Just a thought as to their ordnance.

[@Lunartic_]

James Sparkler No. They just fucked up lore

[@patience__8051]

Decus Extinctum i think they didnt Fuck anything but the loading screen. Sometimes the lore simply cant give accurate informations. Some do theories while some dummies (like you, yes you.) just criticise the game.

[@Lunartic_]

Alexandre Loens Accurate information? Advanced power armor is made by the Enclave after the war to be a successor to T-51B power armor. Bethesda fucked it up along with much more. When will you realize that?

[@tactic34wot52]

Decus Extinctum dude this is actually pretty wirte and listen to what he says very careuflly, in the log as oxhorn reads that they applied quantum isotop to X-01

[@dr.lemonpants432]

Just read that X-01 was a prototype power armor and not many were created before the bombs fell. The one in nuka world being a prototype.

[@jamesholt860]

To be fair, the loading screen pertaining to the X-01 armor states that it was specially engineered and that it was used by the Enclave, but it doesn't explicitly state that the Enclave developed it. Very confusing wording.

[@Dame.937]

Employed meaning used

[@AnuarK94]

I thought the same, the wording is kind of ambiguous in that loading screen...

[@evilboy3521]

To that one brotherhood with T-60 question. The brotherhood made the T-60's themselves.

[@TheSegert]

I see thus comment too often. The t60 is pre war. You see it in the prologue. By two guards wearing it.

[@evilboy3521]

@@TheSegert Yes but the brotherhood got the blueprints of the T-60 and built it themselves, I know the T-60 is pre war but they don't use pre war T-60 armor they found, they copied the design and built it for their units, they got T-60 production.

[@AA-bz1pr]

@@evilboy3521 Or maybe they reverse engineered it?

[@ryancook6452]

the brotherhood are also made from remnants of the military

[@BrianDagame]

Yeah, they were made from a small squad guarding a research facility in the desert. I don't think they would be getting their hands on any power armor schematics/highly advanced power armor.

[@harlech703]

Vault-Tec Maybe seeing as the facility they were guarding was the main hub for military secrets like FEV

[@Patman0074]

there most likely was schematics at the base, but i don't think they took it because they didn't have t60 all the time.

[@ryancook6452]

Funnyman 0074 I don't think they have the facilities to produce whole suits of x o1 suits.

[@Patman0074]

Lance corporal cook no im not talking about x01 armor im talking about t60

[@SirPetterTheFirst]

What about the suit of X-01 that is in that building, protected by robots, behind a blast door. the suit is obviously pre war also due to the damage paint job

[@oxhorn]

Exactly

[@moldycurvegaming9613]

Hi

[@MrLucho-tv1st]

You can also get a suit T51/T60 if you didn't know. How? By going into a place you shoulnd't at low level. Is a gameplay wise gimmick, not lore wise. (Hell, all PA drops are gameplay wise, less the one you get at The Prydwen) By the way, is called Hub 360.

[@mag3ntalavalamp]

I think it was a prototype, or, it literally just was a X-01 suit because as Ox said, Enclave did research on X-01 and made the Advanced Power Armor, it makes sense that a X-01 suit would be there, behind a blast door protected by all the robots. X-01 was prewar, after all.

[@mr_beezlebub3985]

It's because Bethesda doesn't care about lore

[@juliancumbia6443]

Bethesda's Fallout 4 game engine also makes X-01 Power armor easy to find once you hit level 30 or higher

[@user-rk7yy8rw9r]

Julian Cumbia I honestly would have preferred if they made it so there’s only 1 set and you had to visit every faction (non add on) to find the whole set

[@topcoppelion6626]

I mean there was a location where X-01 is guaranted so. Also if you just stay out of Nuka World until high level you can obtain loads of them

[@csabaszasz4466]

It's called " some assembly required " mod, it does just that.

[@Alexstark444]

Ok, here's how I see the power armor timeline: first the US Military develops the t-45d, in order to fight the chinese stationed in Alaska. The suits prove useful to stop the Chinese from conquering Alaska but not enough to defeat them, due to design flaws, such as exposed wire in the arms or its difficulty to operate. As usual with any invention, progress is slow at first, that's why it took West-Tek ten years to develop the t-51b. With it, America manages to get Chinese troops out of Anchorage and even advance into mainland China. Then, as everyone knows, the Chinese desperately launch their nukes and the Great War happens. However, human development in technology is always slow at first but gets exponentially faster. That is why, as I see it, scientists were able to come up with the t-60 and deploy it as a test afainst rioting civilians in only one year. (Then the Brotherhood found theout schematics for the armor and were able to mass produce it). The Military, unsatisfied with the t-60, pushed West-Tek to improve the suit. They came up with the X-01 prototype. They were not able to mass produce the suit as it wasbig developed right before the war. My explanation for the Nuka-Cola Quantum power armor is that Caleb Bradberton, with his ties to the Military (as demonstrated by Project Cobalt) liked the new prototype, so he managed to convince the US Government to provide him with one (along with a suit of t-51b, found at the Quantum Factory in Nuka-world). Its otherworldly appearance made the suit quite appropriate to advertise Nuka-Cola as the bottles had a rocket shape, also related to space. So as to boost the advertising campaign of Nuka-Cola Quantum he had the suit painted and put in a display at the galactic zone. Then the nukes fell. The Enclave did not start development of new armor, as they did not need it. They believed everyone outside of a vault had died and that China was no longer a threat, so they prioritised survival in the Oil Rig. Once they started venturing into the wasteland with their vertibirds, and found people had survived and were forming large (and potentially dangerius communities, such as the Brotherhood of Steel), they realised the need of technical andvantage over those mutants. Work began on a new power armor, based on the pre-war prototype, the X-01. They developed the Advanced power armor, and later, the Advanced power armor Mk.II. Now they were ready. Feeling confident, the formed an outpost at Navarro and then spread across the continent, establishing bases in the Midwestern United States and the East Coast. After, the Enclave's defeat at the end of Fallout 2, severely crippled them, leaving the bases at Raven Rock and the Adams Air Force base as their maon headquarters. To justify the enclave power armor from Fallout 3, I'm going to assume that, with the destruction of the Oil Rig, most of the Advanced Power Armors were destroyed, and their schematics along with them. Obviously, the remnants from New Vegas had their own suits they kept. In this situation, Autumn Senior ordered the devlopment of a new suit, also based on the X-01 design. As their resources were not as plentiful, the resultant suit was not asavailable powerful and the development took several years. Then the pesky Brotherhood showed up again. This time with a very different policy. As they recruited wastelanders, even though their technology was not as modern as the one from the west, their numbers were menacing, and a threat to the Enclave. So they developed the Tesla Armor. (It may also be that the Enclave created it as a contibgency plan against possible threats, well before the BoS arrived). Whilst they were fighting against the Brotherhood, they developed the Hellfire Power Armor. Again, it was never as powerful as the Advanced Power Armor Mk.II, due to lack of resources and to the fact that it was a suit especially designed to be resistant to fire. Then the Enclave were defeated by the Lone Wanderer and their presence in the Continental US practically disappeared. This argument would also explain the Fallout Tactics power armor. I know it was a Brotherhood armor but maybe they stole or recovered it from Enclave outposts in Chicago.

[@xAstrophelia]

Àlex Stark I love this . your thinking is amazing and I think it’s spot on, thank you . 🖤

[@scalycoronet5198]

I’m too lazy to read the whole thing right now so take a free like until I have the time to read this

[@therosijedha]

Holy fuck

[@Cybetrexs]

I would like to point out one major flaw: you said the chinese launched their nukes, but no one actually knows who started the launching. There are theories ranging from the chinese to skynet in california all the way to the zetans.

[@Kyle-Thor420]

After hearing the regret and guilt felt by the pilot of the sub in fallout 4 I think it actually could've been the cause (Chinese). Perhaps he launched the missiles under orders from someone who had been ordering the missiles fired because of any number of reasons. Including the aliens and skynet I suppose. Or because of missiles launched at China because of those reasons.

[@andrewstrauss7586]

Your ability to research this stuff, in a completely fictional universe, is absolutely amazing! I was just asking myself about the loading screen and the Quantum Power Armor. You use so many sources and the way you explain it is very clear. Well done sir! I've subscribed in hopes of seeing more of your videos about FO4 mysteries.

[@oxhorn]

Thanks much!

[@wimpybanana7598]

Dude, i forgot where, but i remember somewhere in fallout 4, it said that that the X-01 in fallout 4 was developed during the great war.

[@baron8107]

It was probably just entering the prototype phase before the war. Very few functional models would've been available. Probably intended for use by Special Forces. The blueprints and tooling needed to produce more were likely brought out of storage by the military after the bombs fell, and eventually ended up in the hands of the Enclave, who proceeded to try and reduce the material cost, resulting in many deaths. The end result? Glorified Combat Armor that only resembles the X-01.

[@Ashpkfmdmdmdmd]

Scowler fallout obsidian fanboys dont use common sense. Just stop.

[@leftmorningstar6954]

You know, with all the clothed skeletons lying around I have to ask: "Why don't they also have shoes?"?

[@goomy__6420]

Someone that really liked shoes took all of them

[@jackvonkuehn9038]

Anyone familiar with the military would not be at all surprised to learn they were developing XO1 and T60 simultaneously

[@vaultrant2499]

Obviously the correcr anwser is that todd is a universe time travelling lore ruiner. DUHHHH

[@krisbrooks1825]

they own the game they make the lore..

[@P0werL1ch]

Except there was a bunch of lore prior to Beth owning it, and Beth has been just trampling that.

[@krisbrooks1825]

Thomas Finnegan​ they bought the rights they own it now. Even the guy who made the fallout bible/ fallout suports them on it. Only people who are jaded about it is fallout 1/2 fan bois stuck to the past.

[@P0werL1ch]

Thats fine and dandy Fallout Bible man supports them but its kinda arse when Bethesda contradicts themselves half the time anyway. Also, maybe being 'stuck in the past' isnt such a bad thing when the games are objectively better written stories.

[@krisbrooks1825]

Thomas Finnegan no thats just your bias showing. To me fallout 1s story wasn't that great 2 was good.

[@starlightfromabyss4853]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't West-Tec the corporation behind Power Armor developments? Continuity is easily explainable if X-01 Prototypes were made for different purposes than normal PA, perhaps even by different organisation. Knowing that Enclave were aiming for space colonisation AND we find X-01 prototype within Space themed Nuka-World section, I'd say perhaps X-01 was developed for space colonisation?

[@ChrisSauce77]

if they're all West-Tek, then it's like all brands and divisions under any multi-national corporation ... take cars for example. within any given auto manufacturer, not all of their products look exactly the same.

[@argylehenricksson4987]

Good ideas.

[@Sh1tbagActual]

That may very well be. That explains why the X-01 has what appears to be an onboard air supply aside from the normal hydraulics the other armors have, in addition to being a much more sealed system.

[@samfreek1010]

that is a good point. i never really thought about it but it makes sense if i do. if you look in NV you see that there was a lot of research going on about space travel, space mining robots, and space exploration. You would need a specialized suit of armor for space that would be sealed, have air, and be heavily armored against radiation and space junk.

[@lylemitchell1991]

yeah I had this idea also, I mean the obvious fact being that they go, T-45 - T-51 - T-60... X-01??? seems to me obscure, because if it were the same company surely it would just be T-72 or something.

[@aarongreen27yearsago96]

Every time I watch one of these videos I'm always like "What makes him an expert" but then when he's done I'm like "yeah he's definitely an expert"

[@hughmann9568]

I never thought about this but maybe it was a resource issue and that is why even though the X-01 was already developed they went with the T-60 as it was more similar to the already available T-45.

[@mattiasek2217]

The US military guards at vault 111 at the start of game wear t60 armor if I'm not remembering wrong.

[@cheesewolf6168]

Mattias Ek they do

[@ChozoSR388]

+Mattias Ek Yeah, they did, but the X-01 hadn't been approved for mass deployment yet, in 2077. It was still a prototype at that point, hence the X-01, "X" standing for "Experimental". However, they weren't U.S. Military guards at Vault 111, they were Vault-Tec guards, who employed T-60 power armor because it was, as Oxhorn stated, deemed for civilian/domestic use. Vault-Tec is a private sector corporation, employed by the military, true enough, but were not given military personnel for guard duty, much less mechanized infantry.

[@Nick-ws3vv]

ChozoSR388 Yes, actually, the soldiers at vault 111 in the beginning were US Army personnel. Vault-Tec security has their own uniforms. They don't wear Army uniforms or have military power armor. And Vault-Tec was contracted by the US military to build the vaults and run their experiments. It was called Project Safehouse. Of course they would send soldiers to the vaults when the attacks were imminent. They were working with Vault-Tec.

[@skellymoe]

RingWraith75 I was gonna say pretty much the same thing lol. I thought it was obvious that they weren't civilians due to their heavy weaponry and armor. there's even soldiers present that weren't in power armor, wearing just military uniforms and helmets. I don't understand how someone could assume a mini gun toting armored beefcake was a civilian, but to each their own lol

[@zombiemarine2628]

Yes you are correct that 2/3 of the guards at the gate had T60 Power Armour suits.

[@ChevyChase301]

Hellfire armor is the best ever used by mankind

[@冬-01]

Most badass too

[@cheeseburgerfreddy6350]

Joey Angotti yup 100% facts

[@sorrenblitz805]

Joey Kevorkian even though the Winterized T51 set in FO3 has the same stats and doesn't need to be repaired but OK

[@theblueshellthebaneofmario3469]

Reminds me of hell hounds from greek mythology.

[@ZaleraArkanus666]

Super Wukongo Maybe some people would rather look cool than wear armor that is technically cheating. The only reason the armor is unbreakable, is because the wrong version of the suit was put in the game.

[@_Yeo_]

what I can conclude out of the us military developing these suits so close together is for the same resons why the US military today developed the f-22, and the f-35 jet fighters. the f-22 is more expensive and is all around better, but the f-35 is cheaper and easyer to mass produce. I think that the x-01 would be similar to the f-22 in this situation and the t-60 is to the f-35. if this is true then that's probably why the brotherhood of steel has so many because they were mass produces right before the bombs dropped and the brotherhood stumble across some factory or storage location. This is simply what I can make out for the reson for developing them basicly on top of each other.

[@jorkkeker8097]

I just imagine it wasn’t a prototype so much as a concept suit that never really got developed and finalized until after the war

[@dongrose5999]

There is no way a brand new suit of high-tech power armor sat completely open for 200 years without anybody trying at all to take it.

[@Livid72Des]

Wyatt Y Grose apparently lore wise you would need special training to use it. Also, you can't eat power armor so it's uses to the average wastelander are quite limited.

[@dongrose5999]

tallguy7890giant I wasn't implying you would eat it. surely there would be some ex-military survivors after the war that would have adequate enough trading to be able to snatch that right up. either way, it would be a nice surprise to find

[@BananShakeProduction]

There is lots of stuff jyst lying around in the different fallout games the "normal" people would pick up. There shouldn't be nuka-cola machines still filed with bottles 200 years after the war

[@dnfking1144]

Wyatt Y Grose exactly it's just glass

[@SocktheWorm]

Nevermind the miles of hordes of angry robots you have to travel through to get to it, and only if you know where it is.

[@spookigreyman3757]

Fallout 4 is so full of lore discrepancies. It's painful to think about, I just play the game and shoot bad guys now. The T-51 suit should be considerably stronger than the T-60. The T-60, like the T-45 is just cast and riveted steel armor and the T-51 is made up of advanced composites. T-51 is supposed to be stronger, and faster, and better protecting than anything but the post-war Enclave armor. This stuff bugs me.

[@DaxOrien]

You should make a mod to fix that. And then force several of the Brotherhood members into t-51. I'd download it in a heartbeat!

[@argylehenricksson4987]

Well, T-60 is designed to be reinforced and modified T-45 armor. But considering the problems with T-45 armor, that means T-60 should make you tougher than T-51, but slower than all other Power Armors.

[@argylehenricksson4987]

Just make a mod that makes it so that for every piece of T-60 armor that you add to your PA, while using that PA, will reduce your agility by 1 point.

[@spookigreyman3757]

The T-60 is basically T-45TUSK. Bethesda really dropped the ball on the power armors in-game. They all could have been unique and useful but instead it's just linear progression from worst to best (Though you do skip the true worst, raider PA is pointless).

[@argylehenricksson4987]

^Raider PA does look badass as fuck though. Overboss PA made me orgasm.

[@splicetape9435]

that silver model of the X-02 helmet sure looks like a Cylon head.

[@jawr1215]

Splice Tape you mean 'fracking toaster head' right?

[@splicetape9435]

Yes.

[@barbaraanjodyjodyanbarbara6327]

I know how it happened, star control used to have all the cores and the thing openned some enclave dude put a quantum paint job on his suit but no core, the scavvers came al9ng and took the star cores and closed the thing. You get the cores, place them and the thinggy opens, boom everyone but the dead scavvers are happy

[@LiquidBlackWolf]

well.. the x01 might be a top project that wasn't finished in time. and the t-60 was made whit proven tech. and that the x01 was completed as a fully working armour type after the war by the enclave?

[@cheeseburgerfreddy6350]

LiquidBlackWolf Yeah the enclave ungraded it and finished it

[@jogadom6624]

LiquidBlackWolf an expensive prototype not suited to mass production.

[@Hela03]

Also it might have been to expensive to mass produce for the war but the t60 was cheaper also what your saying is also likely and the enclave didnt need to pay there scientests factory workers

[@Knightmage_elf]

I always figured they were just plans that were never realized, because the bombs dropped. I also figured that the one you see in Nuka World is merely a prototype with that blueprint, but that X-01 suit just simply isn't actually developed until way later because it took 121 years to build up enough infrastructure to start producing power armor.

[@dyhall]

Regarding your question near the end of the video, the X-01 was probably expensive to produce, considering the materials involved and the bulk of the thing. The military would want to keep a cheaper, more mass-producable suit for regular combat use, AKA the T-60.

[@__X_X_X__]

I like to think that power armor in fo3 and NV was them wearing it without a chasis and then fo4 comes along and people started finding PA chasis around the world and started putting the armor on a chasis .

[@ssjwarrior1235]

I think the X-01 Power Armor was first made in October 23 2077 then the bombs fell and the enclave found it and made more of it like the brotherhood of steel of the t-60 PA

[@daviddiepio1752]

Mhm...

[@randomzebraontheinternet7779]

That's way too fucking convenient, plus time to ruin your hopes and dreams by taking a page out of the Fallout wiki. "The armor was created by the Enclave's skilled team of engineers and scientists after the Great War, as a result of a research program initiated in 2198, part of a larger project to develop various technologies. In 2215 the first actually superior suit is manufactured, entering service in 2220. Various accidents/explosions/deaths involved in its creation are classified by order of President Dick Richardson for the sake of the morale of the Enclave's personnel. It is composed of lightweight metal alloys, reinforced with ceramic castings at key stress points. The motion-assist servo-motors used in the armor appear to be high-quality models as well, giving the wearer a +4 Strength bonus. The suit has an auto-gyro system to keep it upright and the knees can be locked in position, to prevent the wearer from falling over, if, for some reason, he loses consciousness on duty (e.g. takes a nap). Additionally, like the T-51b power armor, it includes a recycling system that can convert human waste into drinkable water, enhancing survival[ and an air conditioning system for comfort. It was issued primarily to Enclave troopers operating on the United States mainland, with the Enclave insignia prominently displayed on the breastplate, while rank indicators were usually painted on the shoulders of the armor. Later, the advanced power armor Mk II was introduced, and by 2277 it had become the standard-issue Enclave power armor used by all of that organization's military units. During the events of Fallout: New Vegas, this model of power armor is associated with the defeated Navarro branch of Enclave, and it is known as Remnants power armor."

[@itskalechips1233]

*Casually murders*

[@ShadowHunter120]

Gotta love it when a frequent question when reviewing the lore is whether they fucked up.

[@THESHADOW-x4t]

I like the idea that all suits of X-01 power armor v belonged to enclave survivors from the capital wasteland

[@marionmorrison2854]

The timeline and how many types of power armor there were are not odd at all. Western militaries, especially the U.S , are constantly developing new weapon systems and modifications for them. They develop lots of systems. Sometimes they are contradictory or replacements for each other. There are always many versions of many different systems. It's been that way for a long time in countries like the U.S., U.K., Germany, Japan and many others. So it's completely normal and would in fact be kind of odd if it wasn't that way.

[@FurreverFaith]

This^

[@Roader72045]

The X-01 power armor looks like a falcon, so I'm calling it, "The Falcon"

[@Hootie.]

I doubt the power armors numbers follow a chronological order, most us military vehicles dont.

[@spartanwar1185]

Kinda wish it would It'd make things simpler (As if trying to cram all this lore into my skull wasn't hard enough)

[@starsiegeRoks]

One thing I'll point out is just because a military product is the next in a line of products, doesn't mean it fills the same role. The T-45 is the first stable version of power armor you see in fallout. It seems that the T-51 was intended to be the next best suit of power armor, and the T-60 is meant to either be: A refit of existing T-45 suits so they can continue to be used alongside T-51s, Or they are a slightly better version of T-45 armor, designed so the factories can continue selling all the T-45 parts they had lying around. I can also probably assume that the T-60 was cheaper than the T-51, which would explain why their more 60s than 51s around in general. The military loves cheap toys after all. But that's just my opinion lol.

[@Lonewolf11741]

Bethesda does a good job at making things really fucking confusing lore wise.

[@svenghoolie]

House Crane Try researching dragon-breaks in the elder scrolls

[@Pwnzistor]

Do some research on Zelda lore.

[@Lonewolf11741]

Pwnzistor one tumor at a time pls

[@JeremiahDouglas]

well if you really think about it try to trace the United States Secrets they don't release nothing unless they have there hand caught in the cookie jar, recorded,and 35 eye witness's just saying=)

[@KrookedKritter]

See, this just fucks up the story of fallout 4

[@thisguy3807]

Oxhorn I'm in the navy and you were questioning why the military making power armor while a newer version has came out. We do this in the real military like f-35 program. We still are making F-18s. We are still making Arley Burke class destroyers even though the zumwalt class destroyer has surpassed it.

[@IsengardMordor]

+Who Cared So you are slowly phasing out the older designs?

[@argylehenricksson4987]

Also, T-60 looks pretty much like a modified and more-armored T-45. Anyone with an understanding of combat/war/military technology could see that.

[@ClairisHolm95]

It is simple, the nuclear bombs fell because of anchorage and the war started due to a shortage of resources coursed by the atomic era/discovery (explained prelude fallout 4/lore etc.). The T-60 suit was developed after the X-01 to be more resource efficient, it did not cost as much to mass produce as the X-01 would have been. Primary example of this being F4's power armour crafting system (X-01 requires a lot of materials compared to T-60). Rather genius of Bethesda to put something like that in there, a simple update would fix the load screen lore-breaker or maybe there is more too it...

[@Sh1tbagActual]

I can confirm. Former army, now working at Precision Castparts, we still make engine parts for the Super Hornet, and have been making engine parts for the F-35's F135 engine.

[@BioClone]

as i know that was the t45, not the t60 (cheaper to produce)

[@MADAPPLE951]

Bethesda just don't give a fuck about true Fallout games (1, 2, NV). I like FO4 for combat and building is kinda interesting thing, but lore in it is garbage. APA a.k.a. X-01 is completely post war.

[@jawr1215]

Mad Apple it's a shame, considering they know (well some of their writers know) how to do excellent lore for the ES games.

[@blablubb4553]

wholeheartedly agree.

[@RaTecLov]

Mad Apple APA can't be X01. He stated that APA is 120 years old. X01 is older. And was indeed being actively worked on by the US Govt. Nuka world and base game both tell this. The bunker in the glowing sea shows the X01 being finished a short amount of time after the bombs fell. With the Nuka world one being finished the day of the bombs falling. so it is entirely plausible for this to happen.

[@MADAPPLE951]

Rafael Technolover At 1st APA being used by Enclave SINCE 2220. Taking from a wiki: "The armor was created by the Enclave's skilled team of engineers and scientists after the Great War, as a result of a research program initiated in 2198, part of a larger project to develop various technologies. In 2215 the first actually superior suit is manufactured, entering service in 2220. Various accidents/explosions/deaths involved in its creation are classified by order of President Dick Richardson for the sake of the morale of the Enclave's personnel." Now you MO-RON take your suit of X-01 and go guard the vertibirds! 2nd And here's a good reason why X-01 is in a display case. In game it has the best stats and most of players would enter Nuka World at high level 40+ so they probably want a good protection at this stage of the game becouse enemies level up with the player. There was no point to make a paitjob for a T-45, T51 or T60 simply becouse people would prefer X-01 for it protection. Also T-60 isn't lore friendly as well. I bet in next Todd's fallout they add a new pre-war armor T-64, T-70. Who knows?

[@oxhorn]

Mad, what are you even trying to say? The very quote you just used shows that the APA did not enter service until 2220. The bombs dropped in 2077. Bradberton described the Quantum power armor in 2076. Do I need to do the math for you?

[@UpToSpeedOnJaguar]

I always assumed the BoS manufactures power armor. Even before Danse mentioned it. It always made sense that the BoS would make practical advancements on the T-45d armor since it was the most common available. Fallout 76 now tells us power armor advancement was gearing up to be ready for the civilian market, like for excavating in mines.