Solving The BIGGEST PROBLEM With The Flood...

Today, we answer the BIGGEST question about the Flood... Disputing something I see whenever people bring up the notion of the Flood returning, I want to prove that the Flood CAN come back without invalidating the original Halo trilogy.
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2:26 - Why do people think this way?
5:44 - How do we bring the Flood back then?
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[@HiddenXperia]

The Flood CAN come back and I'm tired of hearing they can't

[@fireboysquad]

zombi phobe go brrrrr

[@1Loftwing1]

I don’t want them to I’m board of them

[@emilianocastillejos1330]

@@1Loftwing1theyve been gone for 10 years how are you bored of them 💀

[@1Loftwing1]

@@emilianocastillejos1330 quite easily I was sick of them by the time halo 3 came out they didn’t make my Dick hard like they seem to do with the rest of the fan base

[@soulgamer9295]

You cannot truly destroy the Flood. They have an ethereal consciousness tied to the universe itself. You may be able to wipe out the physical embodiment but you cannot destroy them.

[@Delta5x7]

Personally I'd make another ODST style game where you start out trying to quell a suspected insurrection attack (kinda like Winter Contigency) on an ONI planet but it slowly ramps up from insurrectionists to the flood

[@KAKU_64]

Yesss

[@syntheskeleton]

This would be such a cool idea if it started as a traditional FPS and gradually became more survival horror-flavored as the flood creeps in more and more I would play the hell out of that!

[@Delta5x7]

@@syntheskeleton my main inspiration is from Blacksite: Area 51

[@tivionte961]

I’d say 343 could make a new odst game taking place during combat evolved and have then go up against the flood and the best part of it they won’t make it off the ring so it won’t break cannon whatever they do

[@mattl9084]

​@@tivionte961they technically already did that with fireteam raven, it takes place as an odst squad on alpha halo, but unfortunately it's only an arcade game

[@thebritishexo252]

I would follow up on Saturn Devouring his Son. An infected Spartan, after commandeering a Condor, crashes onto a Human Colony and works to start a new outbreak.

[@brecibros2469]

That's how it's going to play out. I'm sure of it

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

Corruptor protocol may not be so forgiving. Remember they bombarded the infected. The pov of the guy escaping was a normal human so we don't know if any ONI equipment other than the condor fell into the floods hands. Furthermore, Mjolnir power armor has methods of tracking it. Likely the systems on board the Saturn could detect the infected Spartans locations. Expect a proto gravemind in the condor cockpit tho

[@unknownusrname]

Or hear me out, the infected spartan crashes on a Spartan 4 training site, infects a couple of spartan 4s with various layers of mjolnir, from spartans in gen2 mjonir tech suits to kitted out with gen 3 mark vi armour causing humanity's greatest weapon to be its potential downfall

[@forgottenbeing]

In the same vein, I'd like to see Infinite have its own version of Spartan Ops (I actually kinda liked the concept), except your team is checking out a remote colony that was *supposed* to be hidden from the Banished that recently went dark. Get there and it turns out that the Flood really were doing like @HiddenXperia mentioned in a recent video, the infected Spartan took the Condor to remote colonies to quietly build up biomass

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

@@forgottenbeing I had an idea like that. It combined spartan ops, war zones garage and gear drops, halo fours equipment score streaks at times (but we get things like MW3 strike team but it's ODSTs in three pods... Stuff like that. And it was all randomly generated open world like campaign, playing off like ODSTs campaign kinda. VISR mode returned and so did the TAC OBJ menu that ODST had when your pressed back. And I even made sure this new mode would encompass two new campaigns and have its own standalone... Plus we would be getting a lot even battle royal... I can envision it I just can't code it

[@johndimino3002]

From your own previous videos about the flood! As the gravemind is defeated in original trilogy he sends a communication to a separate body of flood that successfully reached intergalactic or interstellar stage and they come to the Milky Way after however long it takes to receive the message and travel there to reinforce and reinvade!!

[@BLZS9804]

It would be nice to see the flood coming back from outside the galaxy

[@theresurrecteddragon34]

Mass Effect style

[@farfish7309]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@Enlightened_SpursFan]

thats a terrifying concept 😰

[@joshuareece6639]

I would as well but I would think that everything would have to line up just right (lore wise in relation to the Primordials prediction) in order for that kind of grandiose entrance to take place.

[@Celsius_03]

it would take "eradicate->return" formula off the table and have ever present flood threat out there which is better than having to use said formula repeatedly however, trans-galactic flood? that'd just be out matched i'd say somewhere in the same galaxy is fine and fair enough

[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

I find it frankly absurd, tbh, at the notion that the Flood was definitively defeated by Halo 3. Even before 343 made the Forerunner's lore deeper, I found it hard to believe that they would've only made the Halo array and the Ark the only places where Flood specimens were kept. They're probably hundreds if not thousands of forerunner facilities across the Milky Way that we don't even know about yet that kept them for study just waiting for people to be dumb and release them. And even then The Flood not really ever able to be defeated entirely makes them, of course, even more terrifying. They more than deserve to return the fold in the games at this point, and I can't wait for the day they do again! :)

[@colbyboucher6391]

Even ignoring all that, killing a Gravemind != killing the Flood. Frankly the Flood's real issue is that if you think about it for more than half a second, the idea of anything surviving when the Flood exists is absurd (particularly Earth in H3)

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

Especially since there is no way the Gravemind got on High Charity (or to the Ark by extention), seeing as he physically DOES NOT FIT on In Amber Clad. Sure, Halo has some scaling issues, especially in regards to ships, but such an important story event should have proper size scaling.

[@ethanlawrence8504]

sounds like bot logic to be honest

[@Thevikingninja117]

@@colbyboucher6391finally someone gets it. Exactly. In reality if the flood even existed period…everything is fucked. “Oh the rings” wrong. The rings did nothing.

[@tjpprojects7192]

Even in Halo 2 in the atmosphere of Threshold, there was a Forerunner facility distinct from the Halos.

[@MightyMooncowsback]

As much as I too want to see an FPS flood outbreak in Halo again, isn't one of the major reasons why they're not returning is because 343/microsoft decided to make Halo a T for Teens series and they can't bring back the flood with out raising the rating and potentially loosing "Loads of Fans"? Kinda wish they'd drop the T thing as Halo needs more of the fear factor and blood back into it :(

[@Finger112]

That is pretty much the reason currently why the Flood can't come back and why were only getting lore comics or book lore on the Flood only. If they came back in a visual format in a movie or video game, it would be rated M in Video Games or R in a Movie. And yes for marketing reasons, if you want to market a FPS shooter to more people, you cannot include blood and gore like you did in the earlier Halo games, which the flood induced. So 343 has to decide if a Halo game is not going to include horror elements in a Halo game going forward or stick to the T rating without any of that.

[@garybrown2039]

I mean, it's a lot more likely that they want to make more money by appealing to the kids and having micro transactions while doing so. Mostly because we all know kids are more susceptible to financial tricks and predatory behavior. Especially loot boxes like in Halo 5.

[@KAKU_64]

I played halo 3 when i was in kindergarden lmao

[@binbhrf]

Within the highest selling games in the past 20 years pretty much any and every that involve killing were rated M. If they really think this way they are dumb.

[@Mario_Judah6823]

⁠@@binbhrfthe last 3 brain cells at Microsoft’s marketing department fighting for superiority here

[@garybrown2039]

5:15. Well sometimes we see flood get wiped out in Halo when a ring fires near it. But we also got to consider the fact that Cortana literally said in Halo one that "A Halo ring doesn't kill flood. It kills their food." At best it probably just "did a number on the arc " As Cortana would say, but it probably didn't kill a completely. And " one single flood spore can destroy an entire planet." So is that enough quotes to anyone who wants to say that the flood should have died at the end of Halo 3?

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

fun fact, in lore the flood don't die when hit with a Halo blast, rather they get crippled and can't move because it destroys the neural tissue and then sentinels dump biomass eating acid and clean up the planet, and then they reintroduce non flood life back to the galaxy, it took hundreds of thousand of years to complete that task

[@OPgiSh0tzonYT]

I love the flood videos, always have. They're just to intriguing and interesting, and you just convey them in a great way

[@TheWideMurloc]

There’s also a lone infected spartan with a slip space capable ship somewhere out there in the galaxy right now, canonically, thanks to Saturn devouring his son. Finding a crashed condor and having the ship’s computer explain that outbreak to people who didn’t read it would be a cool way to bring them back in a 343 guilty spark style horror mission where instead of feral flood, you’re introduced to an infected spartan led flood. As for story, the flood are basically a twisted eldritch GOD, existing outside our perception of existence, but you’d never know that if you only play the games. Having an in game story that highlights that would be awesome, like having the new flood recognize chief and remember what he did last time, and finding out why that is in an effort to defeat them again would be really compelling

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

It's likely that infected Spartan was nuked given it couldn't pilot a ship without a proto gravemind controlling it and that story took place before infinite so we would have seen an outbreak by now.

[@TheWideMurloc]

@@AxisChurchDevotee that's all based on assumptions. as far as every non flood was concerned, everyone who was infected in that story got nuked, but that 1 spartan got away unbeknownst to the unsc. Either it's smart enough to bide its time in secret somewhere out of the public eye, or it's not smart enough to know where to go, and will drift until it's discovered. Point is, as far as that story is concerned, he got away.

[@darklucario7214]

There are other Flood containment facilities on other rings, O4 and 05 weren't the only Flood facilities.

[@unappealingpig8592]

Palace of Pain on Zeta lol shame we never got too see or hear fuck all about it 🤣

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I also wouldn't be surprised if there were flood facilities on shield worlds, imagine that instead of being a sanctuary world from the flood it's a prison sphere for the flood where they breached containment are sealed inside the shield world

[@augustday9483]

Why did the Forerunners think it was a good idea to keep Flood samples alive after the firing of the rings? Seems like a completely self-defeating decision. That completely invalidates the purpose of firing the rings.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

@@augustday9483 my head canon is they got the last surviving forerunners with a logic plague that made them think it was a good idea to do so, sort of the flood last trick if all else fails and they lose, this is by no means canon but it's plausible given the lore

[@Kawasaki10rr]

​@@augustday9483so they could continue to study it and find a cure in case the flood returned someday somehow, but that all went to sht when basically all the forerunners died

[@zollof6699]

Obviously Installation 04 and 05 weren't the only places that had flood research stations. I'd bet that most of the rings had them. Not to mention, (from one of your recent videos) that the flood likely exist outside the Milky Way. They still exisit somewhere.

[@KAKU_64]

Zeta halo has one right?

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

@@KAKU_64 I'm not sure if it's still a part of the ring, it could have been in the part the got blown up in the pre infinite Banished vs Infinity brawl

[@codys6409]

The issue is bringing back an enemy that even the forerunners couldn't stop

[@Itzz_Gamby]

Nah, we'd win

[@bigdaddynero]

343 ruined that with the Forerunner trilogy. They could've easily been stopped with all the lore 343 introduced into the books and games.

[@RainbowBuster]

@@Itzz_Gamby “If they made a Gravemind, they may give me a little trouble.” “But would you lose?” “Nah, I’d win”

[@codys6409]

Typical of 343. Though they do seem to be doing a much better job in the past year.

[@Bubby35]

@@bigdaddyneroNot true at all. Every strength you think you have will become an even greater disadvantage in an instant when faced by the Flood. The Primordial was a foe far beyond even the Forerunner.

[@jackhilton8921]

Imagine in a possible campaign dlc or smaller game styled in part after ODST, we play as a spartan 3 (maybe even something cool like a headhunter) who’s tasked by ONI to go scout out a far off colony planet on the fringe of covenant remnant and unsc controlled space which has gone radio silent. It would be a small planet that’s been glassed in the war and is being terraformed to be hospitable again like we saw in Halo 5, so there would be very little life on the planet and only a single space port with any slip space capable ships. Your headhunter spartan 3 (that you would’ve been able to customize the armor of like in Reach) lands in a desolate area of the planet that’s just barely in reach of any civilization for even a Spartan (they’re a headhunter after all, they’re gonna be inconspicuous and there’s a possible covenant remnant on this planet). Venturing into the city during night as stealthily as possible, they notice its barren and empty with literally no living beings present. Making their way to the spaceport your spartan and their onboard dumb AI notice every ship has been scuttled or had their slip space drives hastily ripped out or destroyed. In that spaceport there seems to have been a severe crash too as a condor wreckage lays buried in a wall of the port. You notice a unsc marine friendly ID tag on your radar but as soon as you do it quickly runs off. So you chase after it needing more information on what happened here which leads you to the unsc marine outpost here (one that is notably larger and more well armored than armed than any outpost really needs to be at all, even one near covenant space, and furthermore the building seems to be much more recently built than the surrounding infrastructure, both of which are details that your AI note). Entering the building, your AI makes a remark abt how excited they are to have been assigned to you as this is their first field deployment outside of a ship, to which your spartan somewhat ignores. Using the AI, the spartan gains clearance to the interior of the building (which your AI again notes that the security clearance to some of the levels of the building almost exceed their own). You can’t find the seemingly rogue marine so you plug your AI into the computer archives to which they begin quickly searching and find something that shocks them, they display a video recording to your hud of UNSC security cam footage in the space port control tower. The video plays a there are people in a slight panic talking abt a UNSC condor entering the atmosphere, they try to hail the ship but get no response, we cut to an exterior camera pointed at the ship in the sky which seems to be flying normally although somewhat quickly heading towards the landing platform of the port. But it’s suddenly shot out of the sky and crashes into port wall, cutting out all the security footage. As soon as the clip ends, you hear screams coming from outside the building, your AI worriedly notes that heat signatures outside the building are rapidly popping up. You unplug him and begin to run for the door just to turn around and see that same Marine ID Tag on your scanner but when you lock eyes with him, you finally see it, the flood. You quickly dispatch the combat form (being a Spartan 3 in gen 3, and having been trained as a headhunter along with being an ONI operative, your spartan is immediately clear on what the flood is and how to subdue flood forms). You fight your way out to the entrance but it becomes very apparent by the horde of flood infected civilians (maybe even including flood infected children if we really wanna get dark) that you are not exiting the way you entered. But just when it seems completely doomed, flamethrowers are shot from the stairwells of the main entrance hall, keeping the flood back for just a second but a second is all you need to turn around and make it up the stairs. The marines you meet up there are all wearing combat gear that’s been enhanced with biohazard equipment. They’re led by a chief ONI officer who they take you to upon being ordered by you. The officer is revealed to be the one that ordered the unsc outpost to shoot down the condor using its anti air guns that were previously noted by your AI, furthermore (upon seeing your clearance) he details how some number of months ago, a flood outbreak was recorded on a mining installation not far from the planet (the events of Saturn devouring) and how some flood managed to escape in a damaged condor that had limited slip space capabilities, which gave ONI time to establish bases of operation in the three habited planets within range and on the path of the condor’s last recorded slip space jump. The bases were created as a way to intercept the flood inhabited condor, however ONI had made one huge oversight as they did not account for the fact that the only infected individual on that ship was a spartan 4 in gen 2 armor. So despite believing that they had destroyed the ship and its infected crew when they shot it down, they instead found that the sole spartan pilot had survived and began rapidly infecting the populace. So the ONI officers and his men assigned to this outpost were forced to hide in the secured areas of this building and after a day the flood began making movements toward the other colonies along the planet until they saw your ship arrive and began making their way back here but now in greater numbers. It’s clear that despite how relatively small the infection is due to the low inhabitants of the planet, the planet is still very much lost and they need to get word back to Earth. However your AI is appalled at the fact that ONI would willingly not share this information to the public and even furthermore to him or your spartan. You have to fight your way back to your ship before the flood get to it as that is now the only slip space capable vessel on the planet and could easily make it back to Earth. You would grow attached to the marines accompanying you back to the ship but would lose them one by one as you made it back, eventually you would be left with just a single ONI marine (maybe chips dubbo?) and your AI. But have to fight off the infected spartan before you could get to your ship, it’s an extremely hard fight but your better spartan 3 augments, as well as headhunter training, and vastly superior armor gives you the edge and you make it off world. This is where your AI remarks that he hopes this is the end of any physical contact with the flood, to which your spartan replies that it’s just the beginning

[@reapedgaming065]

A really cool way to bring back the Flood is maybe to give us a game as a Sangheili citizen on High Charity during the roughly 17 hours it took to infect the whole place. Give it Dead Space style gameplay and a few more survival aspects and they could have a serious horror game that would be highly competitive on the sales charts

[@Yay295]

Or you could even play as a Grunt! Or any of the other Covenant species, now that I think about it. They were all there on High Charity.

[@Aiddan3]

I’d love a survival horror as a grunt on high charity during the outbreak, but imagine being a Hunter on a sort of anti-Flood Task Force or something, since they can’t get infected only used for biomass.

[@blebcat]

@@Aiddan3 4-player grunt coop game surviving the flood. l4d grunt style

[@rorykeefe8954]

I personally don’t see the flood being marked as extinct, but it should probably take a good long time for there to be flood at the scale of pre-Master-Chief. Not just a few years, but at least a few generations. Even just a few generations would probably be faster than a fully-built Halo ring firing / having ALL the halo rings fire (I could be wrong though) EDIT: I like the 2nd idea for how to bring back the flood, but that flood would be a good bit underpowered in terms of horror because that outbreak would probably not be anywhere near a Gravemind-stage, meaning it would only be around for a mission or two in total, but the flood’s horror (at least how I feel) comes from its threat of never stopping.

[@powersteak7325]

I want a space rts game that has the player use forerunner and ancient human ships to fight the flood with the game ending with the firing of the Halo rings.

[@scope5016]

Great video man! You should do "What if Noble team boarded the pillar of autumn" (Kat emile Carter 6), "What if master chief was at the battle of the mortal reverie" "What if humanity never invented Spartans" or "what if Delta company was trained as Spartan III's"

[@Xenbiotic]

Could just do another form of Reach. But for a Flood story without playing as the Master Chief. Kinda like how Halo 3 ODST was a story in the same timeline just as a more grounded person you play as. Also I loved the Halo Combat Evolved Flood the most, pretending to be dead and being super gross, only thing missing was when you removed their arms they should be able to headbutt or charge at you just for the extra flavor to show just how much they want you dead. Also I know you as the Flood guy, why I subscribed way before your youtube channel update.

[@nicholasshealy9040]

Let’s not forget about the Endless from Infinite, how Cortana outright says they’re more dangerous than the Flood. Not because they’re “stronger”, per se, but because the Endless or at least the Xalanyn were able to survive the firing of the Halos. And the Flood weren’t. If “Halo 7” does bring back the Flood, then 343i should also bring light to whatever or whoever the Endless/Xalanyn are. I feel like there’s a lot of potential there, just sayin’.

[@Dizzy5996]

I wonder if somehow some of the endless could have been infected and corrupted before being locked away. Atriox freeing them could not only release the endless, but unknowingly releasing the flood through the infected specimens

[@wyattmaniscalco3090]

Honestly I always thought the endless were kinda lame. Like if they’re immune to the halos, that means they don’t have any neural tissue, which would also make them “immune” to the flood the same way that the lekgolo are. If that were the case, and they were powerful enough to worry the forerunners, why didn’t they help in the war against the flood?

[@nicholasshealy9040]

@@wyattmaniscalco3090 I don’t understand how that makes them “lame”.

[@sainsburyshopper]

@@wyattmaniscalco3090 I didn’t like them because they stick out like a sore thumb. No indication they were a thing in any of the previous games, no inkling of their existence in the lore, yet apparently they’re this galaxy ending threat or something. If you’re going to pull an “ancient evil” out your ass then there’d better be some narrative groundwork laid for it. They should’ve been a new threat, like invaders from a distant galaxy

[@griffinsanders7933]

@@wyattmaniscalco3090 I'm pretty sure its because their species reached space flight the moment the Halo's were activated and they were in that 1% of the galaxy not getting chewed on by the Flood.

[@ethanlatto7227]

Could the Endless bring them back if they came from the Primordial's dust and the Primordial was a Precursor, which the Endless are looking like they are the Precursors?

[@davidcarljones7565]

Will the endless have a hand in the flood’s return? Will Humanity and Forerunners form an alliance to combat common enemies?

[@nalzhaaaaaaay]

What forerunners 😂

[@ASIRIDesigns]

I think Installation00 has the best proposal as far as the flood's return, as part of a potential Halo Infinite DLC. Utilize the release of the protograveminds that are contained on Zeta Halo, and have the Endless release them.

[@FelipeNiclvs.]

Just imagine a Halo game (or flood arc in a game) being like "where did they come from?", "we couldn't have known", "we thought the flood was eradicated on The Ark" they could always just warp in from outside the galaxy or an unknown location. they could escape from a research installation or be found stranded on a remote planet. this concept just gets cooler and cooler the more i imagine it.

[@rellianthebonemeowster3450]

You don't even have to go that far. The Gravemind infected all of High Charity, a moon-sized colony ship that housed an untold number of Slipspace capable covenant ships. Does anyone out there *actually* think that Indulgence of Conviction was the only seeder ship that The Gravemind launched out of High Charity before High Charity ended up on the Ark?

[@FelipeNiclvs.]

that's a huge plot for a game. all these concepts are just so cool to me man.

[@th3thatguy631]

Hey i stumbled on to something when replaying the halo series that i havent you cover anywhere despite being relatively active in the lore community. In halo 5 while youre on sanghelios you come upon Ancient hieroglyphs, depicting Elites worshiping what looks like multiple Harbingers. The legs are straight instead of curved like a sangheli and they wear that giant headpiece the harbinger wears. Then in infinite theres am audio log of the Marine reacting to what he saw (the harbinger) and Chak-Lok says that once his race would've considered them divine. Ive listened to the log before and i thought he was talking about the Covenant but with the Glyphs i dont think so. What other things could they be foreshadowing in infinite? They did mention the flood in every 343 halo game so that could be it

[@bable6314]

Nice catch!

[@th3thatguy631]

@bable6314 I feel like with how old halo 5 is and how vigilant the community is I doubt I'm the only or even the first to catch this but it's still a cool topic I'd like to shine a light on

[@fishclaspers361]

If the flood make a comeback, I think taking some design queues from DeadSpace and other horror game in terms of gameplay might be a good idea to make the flood more diverse in enemy types that you need different weapons and weapon types to fight more effectively and make fighting them more interesting and different from the regular enemies.

[@ZedByt]

Kinda breaks Halo's combat sandbox though, although I guess 3's different combat forms is closest to what you're talking about.

[@Funnigreensnad]

Yooooooo love your videos man I’ve been asking a while for a video of scp versus flood

[@A3KingGamer]

i was replaying halo infinites campaign and i have to say, It really is missing the flood! imagine fa flood outbreak with the open world! going around and seeing banished squads fighting flood squads

[@TheManuelHayabusa]

Would pay anything to see a Horror Survival kinda halo game featuring the Flood.

[@cherrytonshawty9120]

I like Argent Moon because it's a horror-based level that DOESN'T feature the Flood. Seriously. There's more horrifying shit out there besides the cosmic space zombies. Asteroidia is a great example of that. And don't forget about Cupid's Knife, of course.

[@darienattano1272]

Yea idk boss. Having my consciousness forever conjoined with untold Trillions of others from all across space and time in an infinite devil machine of torture and memory theft while my body rots and twists and breaks and kills outside of my control seems like pretty top their horror to me.

[@whyamitalkingtothisguy]

since I'm not on my phone, i can't tag people, so the guy above me is correct, but wow, he went do into detail with that, bro

[@rellianthebonemeowster3450]

Can't say I agree because, as much as we use "Space Zombies" as an easy explanation, it's super reductive. The Flood are just 'space zombies' as much as Necromorphs are just Space Zombies. It ignores the overarching, eldrich component of The Flood being the final trial left by the literal creators of all life in the Milky Way in exactly the same way that the Bretheren Moons of Dead Space act as The Great Filter that no species since their inception has survived.

[@cloudywolf5087]

I'd love to have a halo horror where you try and survive as a basic odst soldier or marine on a oni blacksite or experiment ship

[@o_o-037]

I have an idea on how to bring the flood back. I really want a Trilogy of Halo games based on the Forerunner Novel Trilogy set 100,000 years ago where we play as Bornstellar AKA Iso-Didact, and as the games progress, Bornstellar gets more & more at odds with his own mind after being implanted with Ur-Didact's personality, trying his hardest not to forget himself while (we the player) he's fighting the flood. This prequel trilogy can also expand on the lore of each character beyond what the books and H4 Terminals have shown us, allowing us to see Ur-Didact's slow decent into madness, Fabre's resolve to do what needs to be done, Librarian's plans to preserve the future, and the ancient human "Chakas's" transformation into a forerunner construct, and his involvement in the war before beind re-comissioned as 343 Guilty Spark after it. We can see a MUCH MORE aggressive and arrogant Gravemind. The terrifyingly convincing arguments of Mendicant Bias's views in favour of the Flood. The Nature of the Precurdors & how they came to be the most powerful beings in the universe before they created life in our Galaxy, Brand new Flood forms we've never seen before because it's a prequel consisting of infected humans & forerunners. The possibilities and potential of a prequel trilogy set during the Forerunner Era is absolutely endless. Speaking of which, we can learn who the endless are at the end of the 3rd game so we get an explination for Infinite. And, to top it all off, as the ark is charging, the flood bursts in from all angles in the control room, intent on stopping the charging sequence. In this final battle, we get to choose between playing as Bornstellar, Fabre, Chakas, and our MP character. Each with their own objective as we defend the control room as it's preparing to fire the Halos. The final battle of the Forerunner-Flood war.

[@MEGAbrandon281]

I think the biggest obstacle there is to bring the flood back to Halo would be its game design and the various animations that would be required to bring it to a modern Halo game. It’s definitely possible and way long over due

[@ZedByt]

Infinite added plenty of new designs and animations that were mostly "original" and were used a lot, like some of the new enemies that weren't even in the other games, and boss animations and stuff. I would assume they did a decent bit of random animal animations as well, which they wouldn't need in a DEDICATED Flood game at least. Not to mention the overwhelming budget on these games lol, the developmental logistics are not a likely handicap at all.

[@theeredh00d9]

Flood horror game, playing as a marine, trapped in a facility with an outbreak trying to survive/escape.

[@rageagainstthehygiene2357]

basically impossible with spores. need contained breathing like mjolnir or any outbreak quickly becomes unsurvivable

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

there's a fan game being made by the branching sickness team where you're a marine on the spirit of fire stuck in a forerunner facility with flood on the loose, it's nowhere near done but it shows promis

[@Yay295]

@@rageagainstthehygiene2357 Grunts use breathing masks. 🤔

[@rageagainstthehygiene2357]

@@Yay295 Spores obviously arent the only way you can get infected. But if you breathe the air you literally get infected no matter how well you defend yourself from the regular flood forms

[@christophergritti9873]

Love your videos, makes my day, thanks for all the awesome content!

[@JorisWeima]

A map-wide Flood infestation in Halo Infinite could actually be pretty cool.

[@aceofconquest5745]

Didact vs Gravemind in a chess battle... Left over flood from other galaxies that did not come to ours in the Forerunner Flood war could be used as well. A imminent ominous threat of Tier 1 tech driven by keyminds riding to the Milkyway would be very intriguing.

[@ZedByt]

Didact vs Gravemind chess? I don't if that's referencing something and/or is just facetious, but the Didact would get DESTROYED lol

[@aceofconquest5745]

I'd love to see it, then have all the current chess masters study the game for decades :)@@ZedByt

[@ZedByt]

@@aceofconquest5745 you think Magnus would win?

[@aceofconquest5745]

The Flood have suffered losses before... :)@@ZedByt

[@peytonbollhorst6624]

Just a thought about a possible video idea: which halo weapons should return in the next game, since we know that game is on the way. Would love to see you cover that, here’s to hoping lol

[@Ghostdahaloguy]

plasma rifle

[@Ghostdahaloguy]

Regular carbine

[@Ghostdahaloguy]

Beam rifle

[@Ghostdahaloguy]

fuel rod cannon

[@Ghostdahaloguy]

Flamethrower

[@jessetorstonson8318]

I wake up wanting content and my boy delivered!!!

[@datguyjimmeh]

An ONI based storyline where they have been a direct cause for the near-extinction of humanity would be awesome. Even cooler would be seeing dead spartans that went MIA turned into weapons modified by the flood but controlled by ONI. Throughout the story chief could be hunted down by his old teammates which is terrifying and traumatic.

[@bigyoshi5170]

Can they drown?

[@PedestalPrime]

Yes? No? Iunno

[@dubstepsnake1069]

You better hope so

[@Finthelrond]

Probably not

[@sylvananas7923]

GIven an infected person does not need air, food or basically anything a regular living being needs to survive, I don't think they drown. Even worse I think that having a combat form in water could result in the water itself carrying the infection

[@MEGAF4IL]

The tiny infector forms that come out from the carriers, can be seen in some places throughout the original trilogy swimming around in their containment tanks. So I doubt the flood can drown.

[@PelemusMcSoy]

I think the Flood can come back, and if 343i insists on going forward with the timeline, they _need_ to come back. The UNSC, the ONI, the Swords of Sangheilios, and the Banished are aware of its existence and have begun preparing countermeasures, and seeing how they face off against the Flood again is only inevitable. With the first infection of a Spartan, we've seen that our countermeasures are woefully underprepared. This and the accidental release of the Flood from High Charity also shows just how quickly an infestation can spiral out of control. The former was a result of arrogance, and the latter being a result of ignorance. What if the next outbreak was intentional to be set loose against an enemy of ONI? What if the next outbreak is more subtle like how Humanity was originally led to believe it was immune and spread by infecting a pet species that was highly sought after? What if Humanity experienced many Smart AIs succumbing to the Logic Plague? What if an infestation is so bad in one part of the galaxy that one faction is desperate to light a Halo? As you said, there are a billion ways this could be done. And frankly, I think it _should_ be done.

[@bable6314]

We already saw the logic plague bit happen.

[@PelemusMcSoy]

@@bable6314 With Mendicant Bias? Or with Cortana?

[@sadlislorfanproductions9475]

Due to saturn devouring his son what if we got a Game that followed that where a Condor with a Single flood spartan lands on a Human colony world and causes a mass outbreak forcing you the player to go and clean it up.

[@MrPortal]

I always appreciate your use of OSRS stuff in Halo vids

[@msmith1890]

Halo ODST 2 with flood as the main enemy would be so awesome.

[@unknownposter2075]

They’ll come back… except it’ll be changed where confetti will pop out every time you kill a flood unit instead of brown/green gore, allowing the game to keep its “T” rating. Just kidding*

[@animalhalo5984]

I love the ONI method. ONI is convinced they have finally broken or “hacked” the floods method of telepathic control and upon testing at a small battle, Humanitys hubris is revealed as they see that they were being played

[@lithoplanemasters6522]

Imagine if that allowed the flood to infect everyone that was being used as the test dummies for the telepathic control.

[@jonathanwelch4460]

I think that another way 343 could implement more horror is with the player playing a marine or ODST vs a banished brute force where the brutes will eat you if you get captured. They could show a pile of human bones in a brute camp and that sort of stuff.

[@PedestalPrime]

The Flood shouldn't return in Infinite if it keeps the T rating. The body horror aspect has always been their main draw. Although an M rated spin-off? Oh hell yes 343 plz. Also, GET RID OF THE ORANGE BOILS! Every single Sci-Fi "zombie" has had those dumbass things since Dead Space. And prolly before.

[@hjalmarrsviakappa9666]

The flood, with the gore turned up to dead space levels would be amazing

[@PedestalPrime]

​@@hjalmarrsviakappa9666 I know man, that would be so cool

[@PhilipMcCrotch]

The answer is 343 can’t make a halo game

[@gmmg8734]

I'd like to see a Key Mind from another galaxy invade ours. And it's intelligence was so great that it created new combat forms that we could fight that were super keen. That way the AI wasn't all just zombies with moon gravity lunging at us again (although those types would still exist). I'd also like to see more large scale Flood types like the equivalent of tanks and scarabs but flood versions that make sense within the lore.

[@bulbasaur1534]

I hope that when the flood inevitably come back we see them commandeering vehicles like in quarantine zone, oh! and bring back the other flood forms from halo wars 1 (maybe 2) and concept art

[@IVolutionI]

Love the concept of mystery and digging Into ONI more. But we do have the flood on the arc. Why not have one operations on the ark who are doing stuff with the flood. Would be a great way to use fireteam Osiris and have the actual "hunt the truth" Either the vibes. Could be a cool way to have the banishes feel like good guys who know about the experiments and are trying to stop it.

[@lolwithme36dd]

I like these Halo lore videos you do, they're actually quite helpful and fun for the IP and as a sad fan, I really appreciate the work and excitement you put in for the cause. Hopefully the next game will come out before I can apply for senior discounts and the next bunch who will deliver this fabled game do us all a solid with a full, unbroken and robust Halo campaign. Until then, when it comes to Halo, I look forward to your next video! Cheers 🍻

[@yawningpheonix]

Plenty of Flood still on installation 05. That outbreak formed a gravemind before the containment shield was dropped (which doesn't seem to mean much since the gravemind had physical access to the volcanic lake where Chief was knocked out after killing Regret, and this was before the Arbiter even embarked on his mission to the Library). Now it has access to the entire ring's ecosystem, you can bet there's another gravemind on the ring now.

[@kilerseb117]

AYO THE RUNESCAPE SPLASH AND THE MUSIC

[@MeddlerPropagandist14]

First song name is library suite

[@zachbeckman5835]

I honestly think Ce was in part chiefs fault since they turned off the rings security systems and the covenant just happened to get the blame because they saw this area. Also something people forget it that the Halo rings firing don’t kill the flood they kill it’s food

[@ZedByt]

Well tbh those covenant were gonna get their way into those "weapon stashes" no matter what, ring security systems or no. They had almost every time before that, afterall.

[@zacharyshelton4087]

I think an awesome way to reintroduce the flood would be to bring back something from the original forunner-flood war. They could have a human detachment find the roots of the original gravemind (the one in Halo: Legends) who have all detached from one another and mutated into a new, worm-like form that coordinates flood forces within a localized area or have a buried hellion resurface and start havoc on an unsuspecting city or military base. I would also like to see more of the banished fighting the flood. They are proficient and effective tinkers, and I wanna see what countermeasures they could develop given enough time. Hell, the flood resurfacing might even be enough to temporarily create an alliance between all of the major factions

[@riversshadow9678]

I was skeptical at the flood's return at first, but as soon as ONI was mentioned I imagined a story where Master Chief learns of ONIs plans to weaponize the flood, gradually looses faith in the UNSC's chain of command, and ultimately fights tirelessly against an overbearing flood outbreak, power hungry ONI agents, and rogue factions of the covenant to save the galaxy once more. Kinda like the "manhunt" story Halo 5 teased but never really delivered on. I also think a situation where the Banished or another faction release the flood as a deadman switch upon defeat would also be really interesting.

[@rando3939]

There can always be another forerunner flood containment facility, or a lost flood filled ship. They can make a comeback easily

[@michaelsullivan8497]

0:15 Granted it was a lore drop for an Infinite event, but I would call that Corruptor Event major in terms of the milestone.

[@mr.weirdo5552]

Never been this early before. love the vids man keep it going ❤

[@AttakusZakus]

It was a shame that the concept of the Prometheans wasn’t established very well. They were supposed to be this new horror that achieved the same “this used to be a living creature, but is now twisted” vibe, but using digital horror and the Domain instead. Sadly, it didn’t really work and the closest we got to this was strangely in Halo: Escalation’s “Next 72 Hours” storyline. Now we have The Endless, where the whole concept of them should be terrifying. But is it? If you look at Infinite concept art of the Xalanyn, basically cosmic Starfish horror, it makes sense you can’t completely kill them. They’ll always return, even through the pulse of a Halo.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Prometheans could have been an incredible replacement for the flood if 4 handled them well and not treated them as just another enemy you immediately start fighting and defeating on mass. Buildup would have been so good if the writing was better.

[@ZedByt]

@@AxisChurchDevotee I'm not so sure, they aren't really "scary" in any way, besides combat prowess I guess. But their appearance, demeaner, what they represent and what their existence can lead to, have no horror elements at all and, (continuing assuming you are talking about the only Promethean designs we see through the Halo games), even the fact that they are digitized and enslaved human minds are more depressing then truly scary. The highest ranking elites using energy sword combat and dealing ruthless, inefficient torture on weak humans it preys on (closer to the horror in the Forward Unto Dawn movie) is MUCH more terrifying then robo slaves

[@Rammsteinfanboy2]

Just like that immediately with the first sentence X reminds me that I'm old and those nights playing halo 3 were 17 years ago. Great times and hopefully the flood can come back.

[@joshuafoster3636]

Like you said in your last video the flood has been able to travel through slip space and galaxy jumping. What if one of the old flood from the human forerunner war came back from another galaxy with humanities first ships while re-entering our galaxy with a fleet that has never been seen before.

[@stylesrj]

Getting Homeworld Cataclysm vibes from that. A ship goes out with an experimental FTL drive, comes back with something that takes over and then almost infests the galaxy before some space miners with an old Siege Cannon from an ancient conflict take it out.

[@RapidActionAnimations]

I think the idea of a trapped outbreak combined with a ship would be the best. You could have an ONI research based ship headed to some foreign system to study some organism and then use that as the reason for them crashing into a hibernating flood (trapped) outbreak. They would then be overrun and the ship could then provide a method for the flood to escape and infect other regions of space.

[@Oscar4u69]

i can't believe halo 5 came out 9!! years ago! that feels like a long time

[@KOAX117]

an ONI experimentation to make a bioweapon that goes wrong would be really great. Have it start on a human colony and have it ramp up to either going to a halo or forerunner underground ruins to find a solution could bring back the horror vibes the flood had in the original trilogy.

[@michaelrodriguez4818]

Maybe that can be a whole game. Oni creates very effective anti flood weapons. After an outbreak is discovered on some random planet, they suppress or eliminate it. So the game would be you hunting down and going to other flood infested worlds to put down crazy outbreaks with unique flood forms based on the ecosystem of the planet. It could be rpg ish by making your equipment customized and upgradable based on research you conduct while you fight on each planet. It could even be a bit of a game of trying to find the right tool for the situation instead of using stock weapons for every kind of flood.

[@zombiekiller4yo495]

these should be podcast, would go hard while doing school work

[@realdreamz8124]

3:40 the gravemind is likely referring to coming back as the flood from being a precursor originally.

[@TheLastSpider-Man]

I still remember all of the speculations about Cortana being infected by the Logic Plague. There were so many interesting ideas made from this theory. Like; Cortana chose to form the Created because subconsciously she was making an army for the Flood and making the galaxy vulnerable for their return, and she went to Zeta Halo because she wanted to release the Flood from the Containment Zones. Man, that one cutscene in Infinite where Cortana brushed off the Flood was disappointing and made it clear the Flood were never coming back... And there were so many hints to the Flood too. I remember Xperia or some other Halo KZbinr showed a book from a lootcrate that had lore of characters talking about Cortana being infected. And then there were those videos of 343 recording pug sounds that sounded exactly like sounds Flood forms would make

[@silverchairsg]

Can I request a video on how the Flood interacts with technology? The disjunct between their organic nature and the mechanical/energy-based weapons and ships the infected forms operate (ie infected UNSC and Covenant vehicles and ships) is interesting, like they still have the technical knowledge to keep ships running functionally despite being a pile of rotting biomass with leaking brainsss. (Imagine an infected UNSC Navy form trying to hold a spanner and make precise repairs to the engines with its rotting limbs.) Also the Halo 2 Gravemind was able to tap into the Delta Halo's teleportation network, and in between Halos 2 and 3 it was able to electronically torture Cortana. And there's also the logic plague.

[@monkeyprime6605]

if i were in charge, the idea that I would put out to bring back the flood is a terminal you deploy the weapon... or cortana 2.0... or whatever her name is now, in/onto but it glitches out just a little to connect to a hidden flood storage facility somewhere on the destination you're at (most likely zeta halo if we're still there)

[@bananabatman8778]

One idea i got would be a similar mission to Keyes with a horror vibe in where chief or someone is sent to investigate a downed banished or old covenant super carrier that has had a localized flood outbreak due to meddling with an artifact contains flood spores but with members from an initial investigation team push the population high enough to form a protogravemind that has enough intelligence to send out an escape pod or seraph with flood onboard meaning flood is just out there “somewhere” and you don’t know where until later levels also one plot point could be that if I remember every gravemind remembers me what the old one does so maybe have the protogravemind recognize chief

[@davidcronenberg304]

I think a meteor stricking either earth or a colony planet from the expanded universe, perhaps a back story of sorts for Noble-6

[@Apexassassin141]

A good idea would be flood cultists, human and or covenant fringe members, similar to the unitoligists from Dead Space. would be a cool way to fight both cultists and Flood.

[@THERATSANDTHERATS]

I want a gamemode like Juggernaut in cod with a "corrupter" idea, a grop of spartans fighting against a single super infested spartan

[@hounsdjentlow3074]

Awesome video as always. I was truly convinced we were getting the glood back with infinites campaign and can't believe they didn't do that. Also imo despite the halsey bashing i think the kilo 5 trilogy was awesome and gave an awesome insight to oni and the way they operate

[@deathstalker8851]

Imagine if HiddenX got a low taper fade

[@ILikeBlackholes77]

6:50 dead space but in halo

[@gigan6384]

Love you HiddenXperia 👽

[@DarthEngi]

Imagine that you are a spartan on like installation 01 where oni experiments on the flood that you have to try to contain but just like the end of reach you fail but instead of you dieing to the flood they hold you captive like the monitor penitent tangent in halo 2 but only if you be the game on legendary difficulty.

[@DragonShinobi]

The most natural way I could think of the flood coming back would be something along the lines of another ODST or Spartan ops stand alone game. Our character/squad is on some ONI mission on a remote moon/planet with frequent meteor showers and is also a forerunner research facility for the Flood and the endless etc... All the endless research is entirely digital/theoretical (for terminal entries/codex stuff) so the Flood can't take them over and we learn about them. During a routine meteor shower a flood infected ship from outside the system crashes undetected into a containment facility releasing not only the flood forms (pure and all) but also other species we haven't seen before, maybe even a ancient human or two.

[@additivewolf]

Argent Moon is such an hidden gem, wish we can have more of that

[@psycholamborghini4828]

My favorite thought for a new flood outbreak is something coming from when High Charity was infected, and the flood ship jumping to earth.. At that point, the flood could have very easily begun a Plan B for its inevitable return.. flood meteorites, or small sub-light ships holding flood within being sent out across the galaxy, to eventually land on colonies years or decades later, or be found by ships and brought onboard unknowing of what's inside

[@scorpius3302]

If I were to bring the flood back I would have it where Chief would be exploring abandoned Outpost that has suddenly gone dark and need to investigate when suddenly they appear out of nowhere and an outbreak begins

[@ReqchV1]

I love the idea of the flood having consumed most of what's outside the explored space that the halo event's take place in and make to where they slowly make their way towards the milky way pushing all the factions into a corner where every one has to work together to survive the flood. A story where earth is lost, Arby loses and the chief has to sacrifice himself to save the galaxy. Where the final test is won but everything is lost

[@tuckeredmondson6057]

One of the original reasons the Forerunners kept samples of Flood Forms was the fear that there might be colonies or even a single form somewhere in the galaxy. The rings were originally meant to be 12 to cover the entire milky way but the Forerunners were only able to construct 7. The 7 were not able to cleanse the entire milky way, so it's possible some flood somewhere in the milky way survived since they were so far removed from the firing. It isn't crazy to think they would try to find sentient life by moving further in after the firing. It also isn't crazy to think the flood could arrive from another galaxy entirely or within ours. Not the flashiest way to reintroduce them, but it has lore backbone and makes sense.

[@Glaedr11]

Could be cool to see them return with a sort of active battlefield general like Kerrigan and the Zerg from Starcraft

[@anthonylamonica8301]

An interesting variation on a Flood outbreak would be that someone unleashes them _deliberately_ to cause havoc. I don't think we've had that happen yet, where someone finds Flood specimens, _recognizes_ them and what they can do, and sets them free anyway. Heck, that could've been something done for H:Infinite; overwhelmed UNSC forces manage to find the Cylixes containing various Flood Forms, realize what they are, and decide that Humanity might not be able to defeat the Banished, but the _Flood_ can... and Humanity _has_ legitimately beaten the Flood before on a few occasions. In their eyes, it'd be trading an unstoppable horror for a nigh-unstoppable horror; an objective step up in the short-term. At least, that's how _I'd_ do it. It would be a great reintroduction to the Flood that _doesn't_ ruin any of Chief's accomplishments, that breaks the old stereotype of "meddling in forces beyond one's comprehension", that _genuinely_ puts the thus-far overhyped Banished back on the level of a proper faction in terms of power-scaling, _and_ would give the player an opportunity to deal with Infected Spartans in the Campaign.

[@plaguenotprophet7840]

I had once belived the era i had loved so much to be over... The meaning it gave my life... But now i see that fight was never finished properly. There are still enemies to fight, still rings to destroy, ancient enemies to stop... The flood has returned, and so must we. This is spartan RichardFalus G069... Calling all spartans who left the fight... Who went home. If we dont fight now there wont be a home, for any of us. The Flood has woken back up, and its headed for the rings!

[@Thorax2552]

If I were to continue it on the current conflict or Zeta Halo, I'd introduce the Palace of Pain and within a chamber of that place, I would have a few of the very first green powder vials that started it all. Through whatever means, it's brought outside the palace and contaminates the local area. As the games story progresses, we (as the player) would see wildlife (which would now be implemented into the game) running around with strange and subtle mutations that become more and more severe. There wouldn't be any hostility at first, but as the story continues, it starts to become a full fledged and raw outbreak like ancient humans had first saw

[@Speeff]

I really like the idea of Oni causing a Flood outbreak by experimenting with it and trying to control it. Reminds me of in Aliens, how the Weyland company caused that outbreak of xenomorphs because they knew they were there and experimented on them.

[@Aurora-313]

Nearly happened on the Mona Lisa iirc.

[@Eagle-EX]

Can you make a video on Buck? From his story up to where he is during Halo Infinite?

[@scarface406]

video's like this is why i subbed!

[@tubbytuke2363]

Would you ever do a clab with quizzy on demand. Ps neat vid. Gonna listen to it while work

[@noahzavala7101]

I hope they add back all cut flood forms ESPECIALLY THE JUGGERNAUT

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Juggernaut sorta came back in fireteam raven.

[@noahzavala7101]

Yeah but it wasn’t really the official

[@sama-taco]

Ngl I wish we got a live reaction to ur reaction of the newest info coming from Halo infinite "season 6" especially with the flood forge being added