Some people are fed up with Discogs - here's why

Discogs is the world’s largest online marketplace for records. It’s also a valuable database. But some people are fed up with it - here’s why.
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[@VMX1.]

Greed always ruins everything.

[@JumbleTasteSpinning]

Exactly.

[@beatmet2355]

There are tradeoffs. Yes, greed can motivate unethical and exploitative policies, but they can also be the catalyst for customer service, quality assurance and innovation. The same thing that causes price gouging can motivate financially beneficial policies that benefit both businesses and customers. It’s not a perfect world.

[@rockets4kids]

Yup. I don't use discogs but I knew the reason before I even clicked.

[@gomey70]

it's simple market based economics. People don't have to pay over the odds for records. The buyers ultimately determine the prices. When I sell a record on there, I list it as the cheapest option in my area (EU), otherwise it just sits there unsold for months or years. I see buyers paying crazy prices for records on there, presumably because some people just have more disposable income than others.

[@beatmet2355]

@@gomey70 yes, sellers get blamed for the prices, but they can’t sell something that no one wants to buy.

[@MrAustrokiwi]

I am shocked how unhealthy discogs sellers are. In the last 2 months I have had 5 sellers explain to me their hospitalization had prevented them sending me my purchases in a timely fashion.

[@spicystick]

I have had the same response from sellers.

[@dcarbs2979]

Must be the shock that they've had an order.

[@TMINE100]

Dust from all those records is doing them in?

[@Helo_rides_for_commies]

Lol 😂

[@Helo_rides_for_commies]

@@dcarbs2979I sell a couple here and there. I’d run out of the hospital to get a record shipped. 😆

[@davidvirgilio902]

The problem I’ve had with Discogs is over sellers having items listed that when you buy them, then you get an email that they couldn’t find one or more records or they were damaged and can’t be sold. Yes, I get a refund, but when I buy records, I buy multiple records from the seller who has has the most of what I’m looking for, so I can make as few orders as possible, thus lowering the overall shipping costs because it eats into my buying budget. Then when they do this (and it’s happened like 10 times now), then I have to search with other sellers and it costs me a lot more in shipping having to make more and more orders.

[@mikeosier1273]

Same here, very frustrating

[@krazyfork5892]

I always cancel the entire order if they can't ship the entire order, because the excuses are ridiculous. I like sellers that guarantee they have the record, and I don't mind paying more for fully play graded records. Boneyardjunction are great.

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

a lot of that sounds like side gig or tourist sellers who just happen to have been gifted a bunch of vinyl ect.. they have no inventory method to keep track of where they put things and could care less to do so just making $$$ .

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

@@krazyfork5892 it's ridiculous to say guarantee though.. unforseen issues can arrive to the best most organized even to find a record has broken and sometimes simply stolen if you have a shop or sell to the public. The money back is the guarantee.

[@jeffcher10]

It is frustrating, but Myself as a seller(and buyer) occasionally struggle to find records of cds that I listed 4 or 5 years ago.

[@VincentPresley]

I stopped selling on Discogs because of the fees. I stopped buying on Discogs because there are way too many sellers that over grade and rip people off. Worse is that crooked sellers can easily get negative reviews removed. "What other option is there?" - oldschool record sales. Get some record nerds together and have a sale at a bar or venue. It's a lot more fun than selling online, people have a couple drinks and start buying more stuff, the sellers end up buying and trading a bunch of stuff with each other, etc. It's a hell of a lot more fun and it's cash and no fees.

[@theharshtruth8563]

Even the submission moderators on discogs suck now. There are a few of them that insist on deleting pics & randomly changing info that has been perfectly fine for almost a decade & replacing it with unverified new updated versions and then getting their other friends to outvote everyone else to keep it submitted & they are hellbent on arguing with other content uploaders about it. It's turned into a big dopey nerd fest. You can't even rely on the database for accuracy anymore.

[@davidwright7588]

I’m sick of sellers describing their wares as ‘very good plus’ when they’re scratched to bits and the sleeves are falling apart. I won’t waste money posting them back they just go in the bin.

[@charlesgund4812]

That’s happened to me multiple times on eBay though aswell…

[@temporoboto]

How about when they say the sleeve is VG+ then go on to describe bent corners, split sleeves, and a corner notch cut out lol!

[@ness-ee]

When I get a vinyl that is sold as VG+ but arrives NM I leave feedback saying so. This way I know who my favourite sellers are.

[@daviddanglis7135]

Taking a cut of the seller's shipping charges is reprehensible. When eBay started doing that, I thought "well, many sellers charge a flat rate in an attempt to cover their expenses and goose the selling price a bit -- taking a cut of that makes some sense." But when I realized they took a cut even if I charged actual shipping costs, THAT burned me up. I'm not making that money, the shipping service is -- maybe the platform should take their cut from the shipper, right? Sure.

[@whssy]

It's also a spiral. Adding 9% to shipping to cover it means that discogs can then take another 9% of that 9% and so on and so forth - so in reality Discogs isn't making 9 on the 100, but 10 on 109.

[@jimb032]

What do we hate more...discogs with the price increase or KZbin with all the extra ads that are nore and more intrusive? Download your discogs database every now and then so you dont have to start over if it goes under.

[@davidellis5141]

Discogs is definitely a major factor in the ridiculous prices of used vinyl these days. The median should be the normal expectation , not the top.

[@dcarbs2979]

Depends on the record and condition. Some I struggle to sell at the bottom, others I've sold way above the top. Variability is huge.

[@nintendy]

Who the heck are the Staff they've laid off?? Nobody's ever there to help when things go wrong; you just put in a claim from whoever you used to payto get your money back when you're cheated; Discogs NEVER get involved...

[@garypamatat3167]

I totally agree with you discogs have ZERO customer service .

[@derekgoss]

I miss the days when I could go into a used record store and buy a k-tel various artist record from 1983 for $2. Depreciation on a 40 year old item. How did we get to this spot where everybody thinks that record is now worth $26, your tape deck is worth twice what you paid for it 30 years ago, your turntable is worth 40 years old, more than a brand new one from Best Buy. My 2009 Corolla is now worth twice what I paid for it 5 years ago. All prices have gone nuts!

[@aaronrojas5399]

We have this local record store, Let's call him "record guy." He sells his LPs going off of Discogs pricing. I went once and never went back. If I wanted to buy records at discogs pricing, I would be broke. I use Discogs if I can't find an album elsewhere. So it's used out of desperation not everyday spend.

[@kniknayme9865]

I notice a lot of stores use that. When I sell records to them they give me 30% of the discogs price . I miss the days before discogs when you could actually find a gem and the store was oblivious.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

Let's look at it from their point of view; why would you leave money on the table by selling say that copy of Aja for $5 or $10 when Discogs says it is selling for $100?

[@grayhalf1854]

Even thrift stores are adopting that approach nowadays - I've been told by one insider that they derive their sticker price by taking the Discogs median and adding on the shipping figure that that buyer would have paid. Ok you can check the vinyl there and then but honestly the staff in these places aren't specialists and my impression is that they're hoping their customers aren't either...

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

@@grayhalf1854 Which, if you think about it, is what you would WANT a thrift store to do. Most have a charitable component to them, and I would want them to get maximum value for my donation rather than sell that original pressing Abbey Road for $2.

[@espresso8925]

Same

[@slyfondle1885]

Bandcamp was one of best ways to support artists selling new music on both physical and digital formats, but the future is very uncertain following the sale of the company and sacking of multiple staff members. The biggest issues I have with Discogs are dishonest grading and poor packaging that doesn't protect records in transit. I'm sick of receiving albums with bent corners.

[@strupp1]

Well that‘s a problem with the sellers, not Discogs

[@SeekingRedemption227]

You must drive yourself crazy trying to keep your collection in mint condition. Poor packaging? what are they supposed to do, spend $50 more to make sure you corners aren't bent? Even if they did, once they hand it of to USPS, it's out of their control.

[@HarmonyinChaos-ul3fk]

true. many sellers use those cheap white mailers instead of using better ones like whiplash or hell, almost any other mailer than that white cheap mailer! i always contact the seller first to learn what mailer they use.

[@storungz]

So true man about Bandcamp... can no longer look towards it as a stable, fair, platform for artists and an accessible way for fans to really get closer to the artists they love. Well, it maybe time to think of the community coming together to build something together and NOT sell out; a co-op music store.

[@mikethebloodthirsty]

​​​@@storungzto be honest I had stuff on bandcamp under Broken Mono. Unless you were gigging it wasn't really a site that had traffic such as KZbin, it was kind of a great platform for gigging slightly known bands. Hopefully it'll still work as that, but that's the story of the internet😢... Starts off as great, MySpace, lots of little music communities online span off that, then it just collapses because of greed or lack of money. The internet has absolutely destroyed music ... I have stopped seeing it as a outlet long ago, looked through my old Computer Music magazines recently, all the articles saying how great the internet would be😅...

[@zundap100]

Trade through Discogs for ours in Europe is complicated and full of various taxes, surcharges and other costs. In the end when it all adds up, it's not worth the work.

[@christopherklinck]

As someone who is only a buyer, I still love it? Having curated my collection for so many years, these days I’m usually on the hunt for hard(er) to find titles, and often third party sellers are the only means to that end (especially for punk collectors looking for pressings numbering 500 or less). While, like most people, I’m often turned off by rising prices, occasionally I truly don’t have another reliable option. Saying that, it is an “option,” meaning an option I’ll pass on when prices are past the point of reason or budget. My two cents?

[@Pluralofvinylisvinyls]

You never answered whether you loved it or not, and is that your two cents or not?

[@storungz]

Totally agree with you man. When I got the email about increasing fees, it made sense especially given the economic environment globally. I mean, during COVID I wasn't shocked about the increase in shipping cost along with much longer shipping times; that made sense too. Ultimately I look at this increase as directly affecting buyers, so I'm a bit confused as to why the sellers would be so upset about it. I suppose perhaps, an increase in prices will lead to a slowing down in sales? Also, the fee increase is pretty freaking small, like I find it generous on Discogs' part to have not gone higher.

[@tomeisenmenger6475]

@@storungz The fee increase isn't that small when you take into account it's also being applied to shipping fees. For a $100 sale (and 4.99 shipping), the fee was previously $8.00. Now it would be $9.45, which is a 18% increase.

[@oldloaf]

@@tomeisenmenger6475 this is what made me pull all my albums off as a seller. I can't win with the fees. It's ridiculous.

[@tommynorcal]

This is where I stand. I only noticed the prices rising over the last few years being a main detractor for collecting in general. That said, somebody did hack my discogs account to sell records they didn’t have but I sent one email and it was rectified. That sucked but everyone is getting data stolen (which is just a sign of the empire crumbling)

[@beauwilliamson3628]

Same as happened with Ebay before, the high prices on Discogs get taken as gospel by sellers who don't have experience to know better, so I find more and more average used records being priced as if they are the sealed mint version that sold before, or the signed version with the rare poster, or whatever legit reason there was to sell a 15$ disc for 40$ I've definitely been emptying my cart of a few treasures when I see what shipping will cost. Last night the latest - an 18$ record with 26$ shipping. Add two more to try and 'save money' and shipping went to 37$. I just couldn't pull the trigger on that.

[@DjTroublemaker]

I love discogs, most sellers offer $5.00 flat rate shipping for any amount of records I order.

[@23rdGiant]

I used Discogs to catalogue my collection, Vinyl and CD (1300 pieces), a mini seasonal hobby, off and on for 2 months. Don't see it as a daunting task, use the App on your phone, to scan barcodes and enter catalogue numbers, use the App on your PC at the same time (phone App doesn't have all the options) and once your in a rhythm, it goes fast. The best part is the research and "rabbit holes" you end up in. I've learned new incites of the musicians, songs and history, which in turn has lead me to new music. This year i've started my catalogue journey, with cassettes and 45's.

[@franksmusic2880]

I started using Discogs in the 2000s when it started up. It was mainly for dance music and EDM records. I agree with you on one major point you made. It has certainly pushed up prices on used records. I remember being shocked at the first time I saw a record employee looking up records on Discogs that I bought in to sell. It was the first time I ever saw an employee do that. The prices really jumped after 2020.

[@gomey70]

Same, I joined in 2001 when it was just a database for independent electronic labels. It's amazing to see how it's grown, yet the website still feels like it's 2001 lol.

[@budsmoker4201120]

Yeah, I see a lot of stores trying to sale used records at Discogs prices. 😂

[@spacemissing]

Price increases are forgotten just in time for the next one to occur. People need to maintain their rage long enough to make it do some good!

[@SteveHendrickson]

My biggest problem is with sellers who overstate the condition of their records. My last few purchases have been listed as Mint- or Near Mint, but the albums I received looked like they were dug out of a dumpster!

[@zeram01]

No way to avoid models of business. My gripe w/ Discogs remains to be sellers that over-grade.

[@kynta2220]

Mine is rap collectors who don't understand if the record is unplayed and have a surface traces due to pressing, it is definitively at least Nm- (but not VG+). Mass market products have default. Best thing would be to put pictures. I try as much as possible to send pictures before selling. Problem then, buyers tend to try to negociate half Price ! I am tired of Discogs buyers. I try to sell everywhere else. But niche records are only for this market place

[@justinpape]

I have a true love/hate with Discogs. As a collector, its been amazing to catalog, make wishlists, cross reference in physical shops, find weird releases I don't find other places. As a seller, the way they do the shipping is a pain in the ass. In a country like Canada, shipping prices can drastically vary from a major city in one province to a smaller town in another, and to make shipping policies for every town in a country would crazy. With the tech out there right now with online shopping, to be able to integrate a system that pulls data from major shipping companies to get accurate pricing would be SOOOO helpful to sellers. As a label owner, of a very small and strange label, I have gone through 2 years of trying to get access to post and edit my own releases due to some random person downvoting my catalog and putting me on CIP. Discogs has not helped me and I have basically just given up on having access to that editing capability. As someone that loves physical record stores, I have noticed that with the rise of Discogs, a fall of the gems that used to pass through my shop and bring excitement to going to shops.

[@highpath4776]

please also add your products to 45worlds (CDs/12in formats and so on) there is no trading as such on that site buy you can reference your releases on your own blog sites/ facebooks etc

[@sparkidee]

I had the same problem with the CIP ban so I changed my VPN IP, made another account and carried on listing my tunes on my small label lol they still haven't twigged and are thick as anything. All because I forgot to put a comma or full stop once! I swear they were bullied at school and the only way they get back at people is being some admin on there lol 😂

[@thetownspeople6486]

Discogs kicks booty. My collection is listed on discogs. If you take the average value of each record, your going to get a value that’s close to accurate. I don’t sell on discogs. I collect on discogs. Not on Amazon, I repeat I don’t purchase from Amazon.

[@joeyfromnowhere]

I’m a small time eBay seller. Mainly selling rare items from a personal collection (from Blu-ray’s to records) I always do free shipping. It’s just easier (imo) and always sells, I also do it because like I said I’m a small time seller, so when someone buys something from me, it’s usually a rare or expensive item that I like to think some other collector is looking for. I have never used discogs so unfortunately can’t say anything for that.

[@memal25]

I love Discogs as a resource and have enjoyed sharing my collection and getting an idea of the estimated value of it. I've twice bought records and have luckily had great experiences with the sellers. All that said, nothing will ever beat the local record shop for used records, and I say that being lucky enough to have a few in the area. I should add that ratings, despite all the bad can go with them, are still a good tool to help guide in deciding who to buy from.

[@markcusack6335]

Discogs’ decision a few years back to instruct all of its sellers to remove all “unofficial” or bootleg releases from its marketplace - in the process forcing many dealers to trade such titles privately - was a catastrophic own goal and one they must surely regret.

[@sparkidee]

I have hundreds of white label bootlegs in my collection and prob half of them can no longer be sold on there.

[@ROOFTOPGUY]

I would love to own bootleg records. Sucks

[@AndiCat14]

Etsy did the exact same thing a few years ago. They raised their percentage, told the artists to offer free shipping (and if they DIDN'T, Etsy would lower them on the algorithm), and encouraged artists to "just raise their prices" to offset free shipping costs - which to ME is underhanded.

[@DovidM]

What do buyers think? Some at least prefer to have shipping included in the price rather than be charged separately for shipping. Some sellers on eBay have offered “free shipping” for years.

[@kevystead]

For me one of the best things I used Discogs for was finding Rare, sometimes out of print records I couldn't find locally.

[@JimmyV1530]

I have never bought or sold anything on discogs, I may eventually buy but I love it for being able to see my entire collection listed etc. I don't really care of what my collection is worth, never looking to sell it off especially since this is my 2nd time around of collecting vinyl after giving my 1st collection away back in the early 90's (ouch) I am now back up to just over 400 albums all listed on discogs.

[@yozzer6449]

I agree Jimmy, I use it just to catalogue my collection. And have a database for insurance purposes, should the worst fire/flood happen. I've also bought one or two albums, and had a good experience.

[@simplechronology2605]

Publishing the sales history of a record or CD does not necessarily push up prices, and I wish people wouldn't automatically assume that it does. As always in a supply/demand environment, sellers can undercut the others any time they want to gain a sale, and they do. If a hundred sellers are charging $50 for an item, the one who charges $40 will probably get the sale. Newer sellers, who do not have many customer ratings, also tend to sell items for lower prices because customers tend to go to the sellers with the most transactions. That puts downward price pressure on the larger sellers. I've seen plenty of items bounce up and down in price; in the end, people will pay what they are willing to pay. I've made over 630 purchases through Discogs in the last 2 years and have found plenty of low-priced bargains.

[@generalsdragons6952]

When I started selling records I had to let some very good albums go for low prices just to get sales and that good review that will boost future sales.

[@simplechronology2605]

@@generalsdragons6952 It's just part of the dues to pay when joining an established market. Rightly or wrongly, new sellers are almost forced to offer discount prices in order to get those first few feedbacks. Then, it is up to the larger seller if they want to match the lower prices, some will and some won't. I do think that as a worldwide marketplace, Discogs actually works relatively well, and any bias in pricing is slight and more in the buyer's favor than the seller's.

[@killrmillr]

I regularly check Discogs for what my most valuable dozen or so vinyls are being listed at. Over the past few months I've noticed that the selling prices have dropped significantly. I think the bubble is popping.

[@highpath4776]

The "last sales" of course one has to adjust for item and sleeve condition, which can make a difference. But I think we lost a lot of collectors following covid and the general inflation of the last year has left folk with little spare money.

[@MrJasonMeans]

What did we get with the price increase? More staffing at Discogs to address scamming, new features like adding an image of the record for sale (storage is pretty cheap) those would be a couple investments they could make to improve the experience. So far I’ve seen nil improvements - in fact some of the experience has got worse

[@thegood9]

Discogs is MOST DEFINITELY responsible for the increased/inflation of vinyl over the last several years. It's indisputable. How could anyone be "pissed" at that? It's just a fact.

[@trev3971]

Skyrocketing demand raised prices, not Discogs. If anything, Discogs has caused prices on a lot of things to go *down*. Years ago you might've paid $30 on the west coast for a Richmond VA punk comp that rarely made it across the Mississippi; nowadays every store in Richmond will sell you one shipped to your door for $10. Same with rare old pressings. Yes, price normalization might've caused real market prices to inch up relative to demand, but no one in rural America is getting away with charging 3x market value for rarely seen items any more.

[@gavinjohnson8951]

I think record companies have seen the huge profits that people have made on buying and flipping vinyl and have got in on the action. The price of new vinyl is ridiculous now when some new releases are around £40.00 on Amazon

[@trev3971]

@@gavinjohnson8951 It's only the majors who are gouging like that. The companies who never stopped putting things on vinyl (4AD, Thrill Jockey, etc.) remain reasonable on new prices. With that said, vinyl production *is* very expensive at any scale. Cost is probably 8-10x what a CD costs.

[@golds04]

Agree. Its a business. Those who are selling aren’t complaining. More important stuff in this world than co vinyl prices. Go stream them.

[@R3TR0R4V3]

I have to agree.

[@r_stooge]

The price increases are never forgotten. With the price of gas, we're just forced to fork over more cash. Hands are tied because the need for fuel and no viable option available to reduce its consumption. With records, these costs have just pushed me out of buying. I'd argue the costs are recognized and my purchasing has already stopped because of it. That's how it works for me on the non needs anyway. Shipping is the real killer here. Online buying is not an option in 2023.

[@jdthompson5778]

I agree! Still it’s not Discogs fault! The economy sucks and for reasons that should make us all angry. People should re-direct their anger in the proper direction.

[@jasonlamoureux7909]

Unfortunately when gas prices go up, it causes EVERYTHING to go up in price.

[@jdthompson5778]

@@jasonlamoureux7909 100% Correct!! AND- Gas/Energy prices skyrocket when you purposely shut down pipelines and oil production (and even drain the strategic reserve selling to other countries, many who hate us) in a recently energy independent country, net exporter - and vow to ban gas appliances & vehicles and go all electric using only wind, solar, and re-chargeable Chinese batteries… that will not work and will further bankrupt all of us even more. As we are now also becoming more and more dependent on importing oil at inflated prices. On top of that we are printing money like crazy and piling up national debt and sending 100s of billions out to support unnecessary wars around the world while overwhelming our own cities with millions of un-vetted people from all over the world. Come on in! $2200 a month and free lodging in a place of your choice while homelessness & violence plague our own citizens. Seems like intentional destruction to me. I say leave Discogs alone!! Blaming Discogs (or pressing plants) for high vinyl prices is a stretch beyond a stretch in understanding the real problems that plague us and will not get better on their own if there isn’t a massive wake-up soon! Cumulative REAL inflation of the last 3 years on average is about 30% and vinyl and CD prices have no magic escape hatch!

[@georgeholoubek6600]

Gas prices are the same they were three years ago. I hear that lame excuse from everyone I talk to who is raising their prices. It was 279 for regular unleaded here in Houston 3 years ago - and it went up to around 3.25. but it has gone down to 2.79 again, which I just paid last week.

[@jdthompson5778]

@@georgeholoubek6600 I call BS!! Jan 2021 gas was just $2.10 a gallon here. It got up over 2x that in mid 2021… fluctuating between $3-4 here now. I hear California is now paying $7 a gallon. Brace yourself because gas is going UP more over the next year as the gimmicks of draining the strategic wartime/emergency reserve the last 2 years for political reasons and mid-terms and then buying for highly inflated prices from the middle east and communist South America… it’s gonna backfire either with higher prices or they will just print more money due to 2024 election year… to keep the prices artificially down. That too could backfire though with all the new manufactured money-laundry wars and mass invasion at border - which could literally light us up not just gas issues/prices being much worse by then. 9-11 may look mild in comparison. Hope not.. but it’s where we are headed.

[@truck9moon100]

My phone app has not worked since labor day. The support team is a joke. I ended up at my Apple Store. I was told there that the problem lies with Discogs not me. I am a seller also, and have been for over 2 years. I give my items away, but i can afford to because i buy my product at auctions and pay pennies. I treat my customers with kid gloves, everything is cleaned, sanitized and poly bags are included. All items are shipped out the next business day, my customer feedback is 100 percent. The catch is I am a vinyl junky. Great video, Thanks

[@alanjerram9258]

IMO Discogs is a contributor to insane prices for vinyl, but there are many hype-creating contributors in the industy and media. This adds to the growing base of people interested only in being investors instead of consumers of vinyl who spoil the experience.

[@norton750commando]

I've been using the site for about 5 years now, and have slowly been using it to catalogue my collection. It has been a great fun project to kill some rainy day spare time in my recent retirement, but have a long way to go. I have about 2000 records and about 2500 CD's. Like you said it is great as a resource. I don't use it to see what my collection is worth, as it is probably going to my kids to deal with after I pass(ha), but i do show them the values of the stuff I have just so they don't get ripped off. I actually bought my first record from a seller just a couple of weeks ago (Teenage Head with Marky Ramone on pink vinyl). The only reason was it was released on wax for the first time and the seller is the manufacturer, based in France of all places, and unavailable in Canada. Record prices these days are horrendously expensive anywhere you go. Used shops, new shops, fleabay, and Discogs, all have taken advantage of the resurgence in wax. Hell, even most artists have taken to flogging represses of their older records and are charging an arm and a leg.

[@kever8789]

I've had nothing but good luck with discogs in both buying and selling, CDs and vinyl. I agree when problems arise with a purchase (which for myself has been infrequent) they aren't of much assistance.

[@virgilseaman9786]

Hey Frank, Another great vid! I too like Discogs and use it often to buy records. I only had one problem years ago when I bought a record from a seller in Great Britain as the LP was lost. The seller refunded my money. I always research the sellers before buying. I have slowly been cataloging my LPs into their database. I’m about 55% done and it’s a great learning experience and pretty easy to do.

[@1999zrx1100]

I haven’t bought or sold anything on Discogs in close to a year now. I was never a big seller maybe 30 records at a time and a couple a month would move but since the price increase it has stopped completely. As far a buying I can’t bring myself to paying $30+ for shipping on a $40 record. In the past it was $10-20 which didn’t seem a big deal especially if 2 records were shipped. Sure glad I did the bulk of my buying 3 years ago. These days it’s what ever Blue Note has to offer with free shipping. 😎

[@Homebrew58]

For what I use Discogs for I still find value with it. I use it to keep track of my collection (which I just requested an export of my entire collection for the first time in a long time after Frank's speculation of future charges) and I use it for buying albums from my wantlist. I don't buy the first version offered however. I've waited months or even years for some of my purchases until I find one within the price range that I'm willing to spend. My long time gripe about Discogs wantlist however is that we are not able to filter the results that are sent back to us. I don't want to pay overseas shipping and I don't want anything less than VG+. I would like to set those filters in my wantlist so that only albums of that grading and higher being sold in my country of residence are the ones that show up in my inbox.

[@Albee213]

I have purchased over 700 LPs in the last few years. Just like anything else, sites like Discogs drives up the prices and the price increases are making me second guess new purchases. I have almost everything I ever wanted and not enough time to listen to most of it anyway. The few left I want I am not willing to pay the higher prices. Now I have gone back to CDs for the most part.

[@thegood9]

If there were any other options, I would be glad to explore them. However, as of now, Discogs is the best we have, and we have to bend over unless someone wants to develop a whole new business. Otherwise I guess it's just much easier to gripe and complain.

[@chrisrobleski1452]

As a seller having a fee of 9% for the shipping charge is a joke. The 9% fee for the sale is fine, but taking a cut of shipping is a borderline insanity!

[@Jayfive276]

Nearly every other major site does it - ebay has done it for years, amazon do it, pretty sure depop do. And paypal take a cut of all monies paid. Not saying it's right, just saying calling it "borderline insanity" is a bit much.

[@chrisrobleski1452]

@@Jayfive276 eBay does NOT take 9% of your shipping costs, in addition to 9% of the item fee. I sell on eBay regularly.

[@joaopintojr6780]

The biggest problem with discogs is the amount of bad sellers, a lot of them selling fake records, damaged records and etc… and it is very hard to get your money back, paypal doesn’t do a lot of help, I recently bought an album and the package was perfect and the vinyl was broken, had to imagine that it happened on the shipping, the seller refused to take responsibility, another record that I bought a double album it came with with one wrong record in it.

[@williamdenton5716]

You actually had a seller refuse responsibility ? PayPal will stand behind you if you choose to go that route. I hate hearing about sellers who choose to operate without integrity. Those guys make it increasingly difficult for me. I do everything in my power to sell with honor. Sometimes, that means that I issue a refund and lose money on the return shipping fee, which I pay. I have learned to grade very conservatively, which has helped reduce the need to issue refunds considerably. But again, dropping a grade in Condition cuts the sale price by 50%. Still it's much better to have repeat customers than it is to be dealing with disappointment on the part of the customer. I wish that you had stumbled across my listings, I would have treated you right. Just like I do everyone.

[@joaopintojr6780]

@@williamdenton5716 paypal didn’t approve my claim on both occasions, and with 100% certain that both were fraudulent sales, in other occasions the grading was way off but I let it slide, cheaper records.

[@andyshacks7812]

Discogs is my go-to resource for anything vinyl related. I’ve never sold on there but have bought a fair bit on the site. I wish they’d update the interface but I guess then we’re into the territory of charging for use !

[@ianseymour8218]

I enjoyed this honest piece of journalism. It echoes my feelings about Discogs, which is “it’s great to have, but think twice about what you’re buying and from whom”. Also love that piece of advice about using their database to catalogue your albums. I used to have everything on an excel spreadsheet but now it’s all on Discogs - brilliant. I’d hate to go back to that old spreadsheet but if discogs started charging then i would have to! Any way, this is the first time I’ve watched your video and liked it very much. Thank you.

[@JamboLinnman]

The valuation feature on Discogs is useful for insurance purposes and is probably a fairly accurate representation of what it would cost to replace your collection.

[@kynta2220]

Yes, this a solid argument 👍

[@clevebaker8399]

Things were better when discoverys/goldmine was the way we used to get odd or rare items! Honest people are wonderful! Crooks are the enemy! A new market place will open some day! Scanning the vinyl community we could interact with each other to limit the middleman! Great work Frank!! 🥳

[@theflipside-vinylcommunity]

Great video bro

[@toddrorick117]

The biggest gripe I have with Discogs is related to the database function. I have SEVERAL newer releases that I hold in my hand by big name artists that simply aren’t on the site. Sure I can add them, but I have been sent angry messages by people saying I’m incomplete or a missed a dash in the runout code. Sooooo…I leave it to these experts. And lately they have been dropping the ball. 2 items to see what I’m talking about. I’m a CD guy. But my collection is over 6000 pieces, and I’m not new to this. Steve Miller Band Joker: J50 CD & and new Van Morrison called Accentuate the Positive also on disc are nowhere to be found. Why? Much more to add and say but I’ll save that for another day. Until then keep up the awesome channel from a longtime viewer.

[@Helo_rides_for_commies]

Some users are true pedants. But I figure they are needed to keep the database accurate.

[@trev3971]

The nitpickers are truly annoying. To answer your question, though, there's very little overlap in the target market for a new Van Morrison album in 2023 and those who edit online databases.

[@toddrorick117]

I suppose I can appreciate that. But what is the criteria for people to care about a title? Sort of defeats the purpose of a database when stuff isn’t loaded. Or it’s picked apart in seconds by “someone who knows more than I”. It’s a social media platform for some hardcore people at times. There’s tons of stuff on there I’ll never care about. New releases are VERY slow to be put in place. I feel it’s in part because of some of these nitpickers. Just my 2 cents. 😁

[@highpath4776]

@@toddrorick117 The database is user generated, it seems odd that record companies are not using it to sell direct or add their latest releases to it.

[@Jayfive276]

@@highpath4776 Because record companies havent got the time to enter the data or the inclination to learn how to do so properly.

[@adamlemons7909]

Part of, no a large part of my love for vinyl is the hunt. With that said, my wife and I decided when we started down this grooved road that we would never purchase anything that we couldn’t physically hold in our hands first. That means no online or through the mail purchases for us. Fortunately we aren’t vinyl collectors but music lovers that enjoy the vinyl experience and only purchase what we listen to and not just albums to sit lifeless on a shelf for years on end. Because our need to “catch them all” isn’t governed by a collector’s obsession to fill holes, we are free to wait patiently for that hard to find album that has eluded us thus far. Also not being a collector and being blind affords me the luxury of not really caring too much about the condition of the jacket or inclusion of sleeves or other promotional items. As long as the vinyl itself is in great playable condition I’m all about it, though my sighted wife is a bit more picky about her selections, lol! I guess it also helps that our area is overflowing with retail record stores and trade shows/expos. If we lived in an area with slimmer pickins’ our buying practices would likely be much different.

[@paulreichel1522]

Discogs have been really sneaky with adding their fees to shipping cost - I didn't know this before watching your vid - so BIG thanks. I'm not a 'dealer' - I'm just disposing of the unwanted part of a big vinyl collection. Recently, I sold an album for €50 - to ship from France to the US - so the shipping costs were €31.75 - yeah - for one single album?! International shipping costs are increasingly demotivating international buyers. When I looked at the statement from Paypal, the partner fees (ie Discogs) were €14.56. So as I just recharge the actual costs of postage - packaging and my time are free - I am paying €14.56 on a sale of €50 - ie 29%!!! So there must also be an additional 'partner' in this transaction - THIS I find unfair!!!!!!

[@frederickfranchi6408]

Frank once again I thank you for your honesty!!! You know my feelings about this subject,. I sold about 30 records now and everyone has been below discogs. No one will pay those Ludacris amounts that they say are the value of records. I love music but all this crap on KZbin has soured me I will keep selling at a fair market price I hope one day things will turn around ✌️

[@thomas3crows487]

- Discogs is a big nope for me. I don't trust the sellers, and their ego. If I can't get it local so I can see it, inspect it, know what I'm getting, then I'll go without.

[@DecriminalizeMarijuana]

Very informative.

[@alistentcanada]

It's a true shame. I wish there was somewhere else other than discogs and eBay as a seller. We were forced to put a fixed price for shipping last year too, so because of this sellers are either eatting the difference or charging out to lunch prices for shipping.

[@tshew1]

Discogs is a wonderful database for vinyl information and a great way to track your own collection. It offers another selling option and still is better than eBay.. moving on.

[@travisw6378]

Yup agreed, fees are higher on eBay as a seller

[@jeffthrow6892]

I agree with everything you've said here except one thing.....I still prefer most of the time to buy on Ebay, maybe that's just me...

[@MickSupper]

There’s something wonderful a out being able to actually see photos of what you are buying. It’s not an exact science, but way more confident buying a record you could at least inspect in photos. I’ve bought records on ebay but never have yet on discogs.

[@Bondrkmz]

@@MickSupperthis is so true. Annoying you can’t see a picture of the item you are buying. I’ve noticed some seller will say to contact them for photo’s, but I haven’t done that yet. eBay is still my preferred way of buying.

[@MickSupper]

@@Bondrkmz I don't buy much on Ebay either because I've had records have static that appeared to look to be in excellent condition. I haven't had much luck on Ebay either.

[@dosgos]

The database is awesome.

[@TallisLizzy]

The scamming on discogs is certainly on the rise. I still love discogs. I’ve certainly gotten some steals, but it’s not as good as it used to be, that’s for sure. Lot of snobbery on there.

[@vintagevinylvets1187]

We agree with you 100% Frank. We have our entire vinyl collection on Discogs. That being said, we’ve only purchased 3 records, all new, in 2023. The rest has been CD. Vinyl has gotten too expensive anymore(especially since Chris’ Parkinson’s has escalated). We’ve taken a brake from vinyl for the time being.-Chris & Beth🎧

[@mileshigh1321]

Discogs used to be really good. I bought a lot of LP's and 45's for my collection, with some really great prices and reasonable shipping. But in the past couple of years it has changed. The shipping has gone up and It's a piss off when you see how many sellers have "Does not ship to Canada". I started putting my collection on a bit at a time over the past 5 yrs. I made a fun thing to do, and I have had to add quite a few Canadian releases, mainly Elvis records and 45's, to the database.

[@highpath4776]

Canada post has a problem, they wont handle heavy items.

[@farrellmcnulty909]

Forty years ago, when I was first joining the "work-force" and had a job downtown, thee must've been at least 7 or 8 record stores and I went to all of them all the time (every payday) - they were all within a mile of each other. Now there's only one place left that hardly ever has anything I want, and when it does, the price is way too high (32 bucks for the new Stones album for example) - Now we have a Target across the street from the last (formerly) awesome record shop in the downtown area - and, of course, Wal-Mart, which jams the records in the racks (not rack-jobbers, rack-JAMMERS - SHOVERS). It's abysmal. I'm lucky in that one Saturday or Sunday a month in a suburb near my own (20 minutte drive) a record show is held from 9 to 4 (on average) - used and new LPs, CDs. et al - I trust that more than Big-Box shops like Wal Mart & Target. I try to see the good side of shopping there for LPs, but i's not easy. It's the shows I like best these days.

[@porchestra]

Aside from what you’ve mentioned, there are days when I can't sign into my account regardless of which device I'm using. I’ve also had the issue of having to re-enter titles I've previously saved or when the app suddenly closes for no reason.

[@josephsavich2451]

It took me about 5 years to put over 1200 cd titles and some vinyl(mostly still sealed), and like 5 cassette tapes. And like 2 titles weren't even in discogs database so I had to put everything in the database, and I still have about 25 plus cd's that aren't even in the database still.😊

[@highpath4776]

the idea is that you indeed at the items to the database, you cannot wait for someone else to do it, additions and error corrections are not the remit of paid staff.

[@davidlacey2588]

Never bought any media of Discogs, it always seemed really expensive. But as a Database it's fantastic, especially if you want to know a new vinyl reissue sounds good. But with rampant inflation, people will prioritise basic living costs rather than buying records so raising fees could backfire on them.

[@Choochill]

It will backfire eventually. But there's people out there right now, spending 60 bucks or more on a million different versions of Taylor Swift albums! Selling like crazy! The new Stones album sold out already in some places. There's a lot of money still to milk out of people. Reminds me of the sports card craze in the 90's.

[@rocky-o]

hey frank..as you know, i love discogs..and although my album is sold on there, i personally dont do any selling, so i have no knowledge from that perspective..but as far as my purchasing goes, i have never had any issues with buying vinyl, and i dont care about my collection's worth..the only worth to me is the music...hope the family are well..best to one and all..peace..rocky

[@ProfessorEchoMedia]

The fans have spoken! We all want to see the return of Julie London’s delectable figure behind you on the display shelves in the videos! 😊 As for Discogs increasing the prices the same charges used to be aimed at eBay when they were more popular and there’s no way around that, I don’t think. It’s up to us to draw the line and only pay what we ourselves think something is worth. Obvious, right? But as with most things in life, the more effort and research you put into something the more you will get out of it. Don’t expect Discogs to make all the rules for you, make some for yourself!

[@Jayfive276]

All I know is that the amount of items for sale on discogs (around 73 million at time of writing) has remained steady all through the period of fee increases, hit pieces in the media and so on. Sellers are complaining but they aren't going anywhere. Especially the ones that say they are removing their inventory and in fact never do.

[@UncommonRecordsnyc]

For what its worth I typically use the tool for looking at past sale info and undercut the highest sale in order to move stuff faster. Or i look at the current posted copies and try to hit the lowest US number. Unless its a super rare three figure record which is very rare for me to have to sell. Not saying others dont do what you are saying with the data, but I usually do not.

[@PopPop_2]

I'll never use Discogs again. I bought a few things then started getting notices that I need to pay for cd's I know I didn't buy. I was threatened with being marked as a non paying buyer. Never going back to that sight again.. done! Have a great day..

[@asasouth4848]

I’ve never catalogued any records on Discogs or bought any records. As you do Frank I dearly value the corner record stores. The people the friendship the search. I love love vinyl dearly. And what there worth is how I treasure them. Discogs to me should be data base not an online seller. Just my opinion. Love your show love your opinion Thank you Asa South Knoxville Iowa.

[@martythemusicmonster6772]

I just sold all my records and going back to CDs since I can buy 2 to 6 CDs new or second hand to just one record and CDs you get bonus tracks etc . But I noticed cd prices are going up as well maybe others are going back to cd

[@claudec2588]

An interesting topic. I've purchased used records from Discogs in the past but not often. I feel that Discogs sellers low ball their price but then make it up on the shipping cost that they charge. (I believe that Discogs knows this and is why they now take a percentage of the shipping cost.) The charge for shipping is too high. The person that is only an occasional seller isn't in a position to make deals with their shipping supplier. For me purchasing a used record on Discogs is a last resort. My entire collection is catalogued on Discogs so I don't purchase the same record twice when I have a perfectly acceptable record in my collection. That for me is the main purpose of Discogs.

[@Helo_rides_for_commies]

I just bought a new record (Taj Mahal, Savoy) on Discogs because the artist’s web seller wanted almost $20 to ship. I wanted to make sure the artist got their due but I changed my mind right quick and the $4.75 didn’t seem so bad.

[@williamdenton5716]

I have 2200 listings. I charge $6 shipping on one record or 10 records. I lose money on shipping EVERY RECORD at $6. First Discogs takes .50 of the shipping fee. Then The Media Mail averages $5. I buy Inner and outer sleeves .25 each. I buy the shipping box for $1 each. I buy packing materials and shipping tape for another.50. Then I drive it to the Post Office for .25/record. That's $7..75 per record. So at $6 shipping I lose $1.75....

[@davidrenfrow1805]

Frank, As you know, I’m a Beatles collector. You showed my room in a “Vinyl Dens” episode. I don’t use Discogs at all. I have found many errors on their site and I don’t trust the information. I sure as hell don’t agree with the prices! 🤦🏻‍♂️ As a collector for the past 50+ years, I have my own resources. My collection is NOT on Discogs because, as you said, it is a business. If Discogs decides to start charging users to access the site, then users will have to pay for pay to access their information. I don’t believe that’s fair. MHO And if Discogs goes under, as several of their other websites have done, then all of that information, time and effort could be lost. I won’t take that risk. I’m old school and I’ll stick with my spreadsheets! 👍🏼 David

[@monaural2.988]

I use Discogs the exact same way I use the Record collector price guides; for Release years, label info, any reissue information, value increase or decrease, etc. I’ve never used Discogs for a store. Sellers price too high.

[@derrickk752]

Hey Frank. Like your axe in the background, what is it? thanks!

[@Channel33RPM]

In the corner? That's a Gretsch 2420T. Really nice (and pretty affordable).

[@PrankZabba]

I just inputted all 600+ 45s I got. Was funny seeing top price as $5000+ and the low end was almost $1500. If someone handed me $1000, then i might sell it. But it wont happen. I got 3 friends who do the discogs thing and all of them think its too much of a hassle. One of them pulled everything off except his big money ones and sold them to a record store instead. Shipping is a nightmare when it comes down to what the weight is. I also haven't bought anything off it in years. But i always ask the seller about the shipping. Especially if they know some tricks in packaging for shipping.

[@automatedelectronics6062]

I've made a few purchases through Discogs and it has turned out OK. Shipping prices have been reasonable on what I bought, so far. My purchases are based on cost + shipping being the lowest first of equal quality. My big gripe is the inaccuracy and incompleteness of many of the records & albums in the music database. They didn't like me correcting information or adding new info, pictures or even new and unique listings. Sometimes, I have a newly-released record, awhile before somebody finally adds them. Some of these new additions are obvious made from sealed records, so there may be no track listings, pressing information or the info scribed in the deadwax.

[@TwoStepsAway]

Hi Frank, Thanks for all you share with us. Love your channel! I'm new to cataloging, and currently don't have a list of my albums and was thinking of simply creating an Excel spreadsheet. But I like the idea of getting the information for each album, so I'm considering signing up to use the service Discogs offers. Are there any other online services, or apps that you recommend? Thanks in advance!

[@Channel33RPM]

For info, Discogs is the best.

[@TwoStepsAway]

Thanks, Frank! If I'm not planning on selling or buying. Do you still recommend Discogs? I appreciate your help. As a former DJ I'm diggin' the KEEP ON SPINNING ORANGE LOGO" t-shirt in your store. Nice! The "I STILL OWE MONEY" t-shirt is hilarious! Definitely planning on picking up one or both.

[@Channel33RPM]

Thanks! Yes, despite its faults, I recommend Discogs as a resource.

[@TwoStepsAway]

You're welcome! Do you still use the DIY approach using an Excel spreadsheet?

[@barkingstarz4730]

Hey Frank! I use Discogs as a database too. Never sold anything, as you said, it seems too much trouble to sell anything there. Have bought a few records & have always been very satisfied. If they start charging to merely catalogue my collection, then (probably) I’m gone!

[@whssy]

If they start charging to use a database that we, its users, created for them at no cost - then they can go f..k themselves as far as I am concerned. The community did all the actual work.

[@lenwennerberg1631]

How many pieces in your collection? I feel the same way about them charging us access but it took a lot of time, work and effort to catalogue my entire collection. To abandon my account and just walk away from that....

[@johnnyhawk1753]

Hey Frank. It's been a long time. I really enjoyed this video, and I agree with your POV. Discogs is not going anywhere.

[@Channel33RPM]

Hey man!

[@johnnyhawk1753]

@@Channel33RPM Vince Neil and Nikki Sixx signed the "Too Fast For Love" lp that you sent me years ago. Hanging up on my wall in my Music Room

[@Channel33RPM]

Very cool. That is a great pressing. Did they blink at all when they saw that version?

[@johnnyhawk1753]

@@Channel33RPM Vince didn't, but Nikki did mention how rare it was. At first he thought it was the Leathur version, until he saw the Electra name. and said he didnt even have a copy of it!

[@DorianPaige00]

The artist and title pages now look different. Discogs has charged 8-9% for every sale yet they don't have to go out and buy new or used merchandise. All they have to do is maintain the site and take zero responsibility for liability on sales which is handled through paypal or ultimately civil suit. There's virtually no risk in this business so I understand why they can't make it when they make nearly 10% gravy off of every sale. There are sellers who don't make that and they are doing all of the work.

[@freeman10000]

Aussie here. Was in Cash Converters (second hand / pawn shop) today and noticed that a second hand, well used copy of Jazz by Queen was selling for 90 Aussie dollars. Just Twelve months ago I bought a mint copy of Wish you Were there for 45 Aussies. This vinyl thing is becoming stupid. As a collector of physical media I am going to stick with good old compact discs. The old scratchy, plastic, vinyl can get stuffed.

[@EmbryonicRobot]

As a fellow Canadian, I am sure you know that shipping to Canada and from within Canada is insane. So, I have stopped buying from Discogs. Sometimes, the cost of shipping is the same or greater than the price of the record itself!

[@Channel33RPM]

Absolutely - shipping costs make it very difficult to buy records online.

[@davidbindert]

I quickly soured on Discogs after receiving a 7” single that was listed as the 10” EP. I ended up paying shipping both ways just to get refunded the purchase price. At least eBay requires photos of the item so I know the record listed is the one that is for sale.

[@DovidM]

While the requirement by eBay to show the item is good, dishonest sellers on eBay sometimes upload a photo they found on the Internet to mislead the buyer.

[@stooges151]

Whatnot is also an option other than eBay. Found some great used vinyl on there.

[@betaville72]

the problem i had with Discogs time and time again were sellers mid-grading their vinyl. in the end i would only buy from them if they could send a photo of the actual item.

[@tonywilbanks3541]

As a database, great! I started a couple of years ago to try and look for records to purchase when I started noticing that the fotos used in the listings for the same records were ALL THE SAME. So I wrote discogs and was told that it was pretty much standard practice to use stock fotos for listings. Sorry, the standard record rating system is no more reliable than the person using it to grade their item for sale (subjective). I need to see the exact item I am purchasing before I buy. The higher the value, the more important this is.

[@AMOKIAN]

The average cost of making new vinyl has been around $1000 for 100 units.( Nice for novelty or gifts) I was getting 800 records for $1000 in the early 2000s( great profit margins for retail & wholesale) Domestic and International distribution too. Everything has increased….as is life. Imagine the cost of shipping 30 albums from U.S to U.K today?

[@sharksenesac9997]

Was anyone around for Music Stack? Late 90's/ early 2000s they were top dog. They are still up and running.......

[@festersuncle6298]

Unfair, as eBay has been charging folks fees for years, same goes for PayPal.

[@Cornflake81]

The app is struggling lately with no signs of fixing the bugs. I haven't bought anything in a while, I do like it for tougher to find electronic music.

[@daintycaked]

free shipping is only a sales booster when the item is not one-of-a-kind. I use discogs mostly for research tbh. But the "volunteers" run databases typically run into this issue with users on not getting paid for the amount of work they put in. Not sure how wikipedia has avoided that.

[@utp216]

I use the Discogs figures for what my collection is worth ONLY for insurance purposes. It’s totally crazy!

[@hackelite01]

Use the barcode feature to get your record collection entered. It get you close sometimes depending on the popularity.

[@ROOFTOPGUY]

My problem with Discogs is that some probably Automated Users are editing my Submissions. I collect more rare records and there are tons of missing European Schellac Records. So i add them and specifically write the title like it’s written on the label only for a know all user to come and wrongly correct it. When i literally upload pictures of the label. Also its horrible to add new releases, you gotta use your browser because you can’t use the App and then the whole interface isn’t very intuitive and it throws out the most absurd errors and „dublicates“ If there was a good alternative i would be the first to jump ship. Tons of sellers are also selling vinyls for 0,90 cent only to then say they only ship orders 25€ upwards.

[@EddieBosanoAndrews]

What's really annoying me as a buyer is the shipping costs. I'm in Ireland and so tend to buy from European sellers. Shipping for a single vinyl LP should be about €5-7 across Europe. However shipping costs vary wildly depending on the desirability of the LP/CD in question. I can't understand why one record's shipping is €7 but another can be €20+, they all come in a cardboard box through the same postal system. I've passed up on many a purchase because it's screamingly obvioius that I'm being gouged on the shipping costs.

[@paulboggan]

exactly my thoughts too. I'm an Irish buyer too

[@saarinmaki]

Germany tripled the shipping cost a year ago. Cannot buy from Germany anymore.

[@highpath4776]

@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee varies according to countries really.

[@highpath4776]

dont forget if an item costs more then to cover loss in transit insurance the shipping cost will be higher, it is always worth asking a seller if they can reduce shipping if you can give them a reason to, they can adjust invoice before you buy

[@grayhalf1854]

It's great for checking the value of something when you're out digging