As an architect doing higher end residential I just want to thank you. These videos always teach me things I don’t know. Finishes and tech. Thank you! Keep up the excellent work!
@bentswoodworking6 ай бұрын
Great to hear!
@Mike-dy8bq6 ай бұрын
If you have a Shaper Orgin, you can save the money on the different templates and make your own perfect matched veneer covers. You could also make the gap between the outlet and base board pretty much invisible.
@GoggleAX6 ай бұрын
Yikes at $3,200-$3,600 USD for the Shaper Orgin system, this approach looks a lot more financially accessible.
@Mike-dy8bq6 ай бұрын
Yeah, but he has one on the shelf right behind his right shoulder. I agree that a DIY project wouldn't benefit from the Shaper cost, but someone that trims out high end spaces day in and day out would.
@1arctos6 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@Mike-dn4ju6 ай бұрын
I thought he cut these when I saw the thumbnail too.
@TheTinkerinMan5 ай бұрын
This is pretty slick! I was questioning it but by routing the recess into the wood, it made that the new “finished surface” so it satisfies NEC 314.20. And as long as the veneer is part of a UL listed kit, it satisfies NEC 406.5(d). To be on the safe side I would have the paperwork from the manufacturer ready to show the inspector. Any of them I’ve dealt with would want to see it.
@lossless41296 ай бұрын
Been using my flushtek jigs for a year now and it’s honestly my favorite thing to use in my projects. It’s so satisfying.
@STV-H4H5 ай бұрын
As an electrician I can imagine a huge problem with this. The appliance is plugged in, but the plug isn’t seated properly into the outlet. The thickness of the plate appears to be around 3/16”. Which is nearly a quarter inch. A toaster oven or something drawing higher amperage is what gets used in kitchens, that plug can heat up the blades, which are now partially exposed, the veneer is likely to be flammable. Additionally, heating the plug and the outlets contacts, possibly from the looser fit, creates heat, heat from resistance. Tripping the breaker. Just because something looks good doesn’t make it a good idea
@johnnyeddleman50505 ай бұрын
Agreed...veneers (combustible veneers) fire issue & yes seating of the appliance cord is an issue that appears to not be talked about, 3/16" or 1/8", overall good product, minus the combustible/seating elliment.
@whatthehell25925 ай бұрын
I build a kitchen for my daughter last year and I veneered the covers in walnut to match the island. Lot of work. Would like to have seen these then.
@joem.3816 ай бұрын
Lots of comments about the installation height being a code issue. For what it’s worth, the National Electrical Code does not appear to specify a minimum height for receptacle installations. This, of course, doesn’t mean your municipality adopted the NEC verbatim, so your local code may have minimum height requirements. However, the NEC *does* specify in 324.20 that receptacle boxes mounted in combustible materials must be flush with the finished surface. The code allows for a recess of no more than 1/4” from the finished surface of non-combustible material. My code book is a few years old, so might be outdated. Just wanted to point out that the recessing of the box is likely more of an issue than the height at which it is installed.
@gcaflyer5 ай бұрын
The issue with recessing has to do with combustible material being exposed. By recessing the entire box this way no combustible material is open to the inside of the box. This system appears to satisfy all NEC requirements.
@2001airrun5 ай бұрын
The ADA does have something to say about mounting heights, 15"-48" is the ada standard for outlets and switches.
@TheTinkerinMan5 ай бұрын
The ADA isn’t the NEC. If your working in a health care facility, ADA all the way. In a house? If it’s spec’D for it then yea, ADA, but otherwise it’s the NEC, local building codes, and ultimately the AHJ.
@DriverDude1005 ай бұрын
Great video. I routinely use Claro wallplates so this system would work well for me.
@Bamamarama6 ай бұрын
Doesn't matter if your house is 100k or a 100m, everyone is using the same outlets and switches. Its great to see some innovation in this category. This seems like a great idea for historical houses.
@mookisabatuki42016 ай бұрын
absolutely not true
@dirtychevyful6 ай бұрын
Such a simple jig yet pretty awesome results
@ramontan-torres62036 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing, I think it will go well with my flush base board too.
@notspm91576 ай бұрын
This seems dangerous and against electrical code. You are adding an extra bit of dept to the portion you plug in so it's going to hold the contact point out further which reduces it's holding power and could even lead to electrical arcing if it falls out slightly.
@jeffhowden93265 ай бұрын
A trick when using the Lutron products. Get the outlet screwed mostly in, but not tight. Then attach the backing plate for the cover. Run those screws down tight. Take some playing cards and use them as spacers to get the backing plate perfectly centered in all four directions. The screws for the outlet are still accessible. Run them down tight so nothing moves. Remove the playing cards and snap the cover in place.
@devinreynolds-FDWАй бұрын
This was a great video again bents and u are very help ful and a great man and u always will be and I’ll always love watching u and your the best and that show was awesome and I will miss it and u sir!!
@731Woodworks6 ай бұрын
Such a cool product. Thanks for sharing!
@bentswoodworking6 ай бұрын
Anything for you! 🤣
@sl78096 ай бұрын
You have all four templates but the kit includes only one. I like your channel and your informative videos but this definitely seems like an ad for the manufacturer.
@darealmaul5 ай бұрын
KZbin videos are now just brand advertising for a while now. They just have to be less honest about the advertising.
@ThePlockets5 ай бұрын
He was pretty upfront that you had to get the exact template to match your desired combination of box and wall plate, or at least I did not think at any point that I would get templates for more than 1 combo in an order.
@VideovigilanteUSA4 ай бұрын
Stop ads are how this works ? Are you a boomer ?
@steelsunpi6 ай бұрын
Wondering about the fire danger for the wood veneer.
@acerjuglans3836 ай бұрын
You can go into Home Depot and buy wood cover plates.
@steelsunpi6 ай бұрын
@@acerjuglans383 yeah, both those arent slotted so that the plug tongs slide into it.
@rrrrkoop27765 ай бұрын
@acerjuglans383 wood cover plates do not have wood around the prongs.
@migueldesantiago72585 ай бұрын
This would be totally illegal in the EU. BR from🖤❤💛
@watchyoutubeaccount16 ай бұрын
cool product. @00:54 idk if an outlet that low/ in a baseboard would pass home building code regardless if it's flush or not...seems like a bad idea in general.
@acerjuglans3836 ай бұрын
1000%
@chrisjohnson67656 ай бұрын
My first thought…
@lancem59656 ай бұрын
These outlets are so slick a building inspector wouldn’t even notice them in baseboards
@johnhill89586 ай бұрын
Would NOT pass code if it were on the countertop.
@2001airrun5 ай бұрын
Definitely not ADA compliant
@davem42565 ай бұрын
I think that is a very cool idea, from an electrician's perspective I'd like to see how you remove the cover without damaging the surrounding surface. I've installed many of those type of outlet covers and to remove them you need to apply some side pressure to the cover to get it to pop off the back plate. Maybe a little follow up video about removal after they are installed, would be nice. Regarding electrical code, cover plates need to be listed and non combustible. With that being said I know you can buy wood cover plates, but those plates aren't slotted where the prongs of an appliance cord pass directly through the wood part. I'm curious what a local authority would rule on these veneer plates.
@bobmonday9256 ай бұрын
How do you remove cover after you have snapped it place in case you need to get in box?
@ngarber5 ай бұрын
I would use a plastic pry tool. Carefully.
@alberthua5 ай бұрын
@@ngarberI say get a bojo pry tool. Recently got hooked and bought a few.
@ngarber5 ай бұрын
@@alberthuaYeah, those. Never knew who made them, thanks.
@rodpotts26666 ай бұрын
I can think of several places this would work in my home. If you had a laser you could cut the veneer yourself. Really cool .
@danielrobbins26686 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing me the joy of discovering a new thing to want.
@bentswoodworking6 ай бұрын
You’re welcome 🤣
@chrisjaustin886 ай бұрын
I'm just SO incredibly impressed with the template and product considerations. But what about having to remove the face if you need to do electrical work again? Is that going to destroy the veneer?
@ThePlockets5 ай бұрын
I believe that type of face plate pops off by prying in the gap with a flat stiff blade such as a putty knife or screwdriver. With a little care, you should be able to finagle it off without applying much pressure to the veneer.
@Timber2Toothpicks6 ай бұрын
Totally Pro ! Do that starting shuffle with cups and a couple C-Notes you could make a fortune! Great Find…..
@sannyassi735 ай бұрын
I've been wondering why this wasn't a thing ever since I got into remodeling 20 Years ago. I've seen it ONCE a long time ago and have always thought flush mounted outlets are so much nicer and have wondered as well how they aren't common or a trend at the least. I was thinking more along the lines of drywall though, since that's the most common wall material- just plugin prongs and switches, no surrounding stuff, no seams either. Probably has to do with how difficult servicing them would be, you'd have to re-drywall any time you had to mess with a switch or outlet.
@bnssoftware32926 ай бұрын
Aren't outlets supposed to be so many inches from the floor?
@danielakerman82415 ай бұрын
They are recommended to be 12-18 inches from the floor, but there’s nothing saying you can’t have outlets higher - bathroom and kitchens often have outlets above counter height
@AB-nu5we6 ай бұрын
Yeah. Wow, very cool idea for a mid-century or modern home design.
@ryandury6 ай бұрын
Something looks off when it's just the veneer and plug holes, I almost think it looks better with the proper white trim around the outlet.. But i love the idea of having it flush mounted. Cool system.
@mrsdjwildcat6 ай бұрын
Hey man, just thought I'd point out you didn't have any wire in that outlet box. Thought I'd let you know in case you plugged something in and it didn't work. 😂😂😂😂
@bentswoodworking6 ай бұрын
No wonder my phone wouldn’t charge
@petrmotejlek14274 ай бұрын
Can you really use the wooden veneir just like that? I live in one of the European Union countries, and while I cant talk for all of them, at least in here, the code requires you to use only products that have been approved for the use with electricity (they usually don't catch fire at all or at least burn at a very slow speed). Not sure if this would pass the inspection :) but it does look damn pretty :D Maybe, somebody from EU could chime in with a local product that works with our outlets and is up to code :)
@TomDiebolt4 ай бұрын
You could have used your Shaper Origin to make a cover from the same panel...
@funnyguy55able5 ай бұрын
definitely dont want to be jamming screw drivers beside a wired outlet. that will end badly.
@simon-xn1wz5 ай бұрын
Looks like something you would find in a sixties trailer
@AxGryndr6 ай бұрын
Does the thickness of the veneer affect how well the plug fits?
@pecantreedesign5 ай бұрын
Nothing worth doing is easy, but man that looks tedious as hell
@rrrrkoop27765 ай бұрын
If the material is non combustable it meets the National Electrical Code, if it is combustable like wood or wood veneer it does not meet the code and is in fact a dangerous fire hazard. The electrical prongs of a cord can heat up under different circumstances. As an electrician and a former NEC instructor for 20 years I would not even consider doing this in my home unless the veneer is non combustable. . There are plenty of safe alternatives.
@TheTinkerinMan5 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t trust the veneer either, especially after the receptacle gets some age on it and starts loosing its grip. This installation method does satisfy the requirements of 314.20 though. By routing the rabbit around the edge of the hole it made that recessed surface the new “finished surface”. The face of the box sits flush with the new finished (combustible) surface and the box cover sits agains the box just like a normal installation with an old work box. As a 30 year journeyman I don’t see a code violation here. The AHJ could choose to fail it for the veneer though. Depends on the AHJ. Some are worse than others.
@edwardr12506 ай бұрын
Not sure I see the necessity for a special template or the two step process to routing what ends up being the support rabbet. Cut/rout the through hole and then rout the rabbet in one pass; or rout the rabbet in one pass then cut/rout the through hole. Maybe the factory template has value in the baseboard application, but I'm not seeing how it adds anything but cost to a relatively simple operation.
@richardlug61396 ай бұрын
At $199 price tag I would have to agree. If a guy would have a number of them to do like maybe a contractor does and on future jobs I can see it, but a diyer and maybe used once nope, not me anyway.
@PatrimonyPainting16 күн бұрын
Is it possible to use the template in upright possition in already installed wood paneling?
@AzraelThanatos5 ай бұрын
My only worry with it is that you're going with a kitchen outlet and there doesn't seem to be a GFI in it
@SpencleyDesignCo6 ай бұрын
great overview jason!
@bentswoodworking6 ай бұрын
Thanks buddy
@jklgc216 ай бұрын
True fig was the first. I have used this style for about 7nyears now.
@tcrilly92475 ай бұрын
Bocci outlets look much cleaner. I see the appeal and where this could be used instead.
@w2jdb6355 ай бұрын
I may be wrong but shouldn't electric outlets be at least 18" of the floor?
@denchwoodwerks6 ай бұрын
How easy is it to get that cover plate off after you snap it in?
@chrisjohnson67656 ай бұрын
My second thought😂
@anthonycollins63536 ай бұрын
Man you have my dream shop, you even have a Festool screwdriver😢😮😅
@DeanRockne6 ай бұрын
Is there a way to use these with an extention frame over an existing stud mounted box? These would be great for a remodel, but having to pull the boxes in through the front would mean undoing a ton of existing wiring.
@jochute6 ай бұрын
I think their marketing team is missing out on the shiplap craze, it has to be 1x7 shiplap or t&g to be wide enough. There are no pics on their website other than baseboards.
@ianbelletti62415 ай бұрын
The veneer seems to violate code. Is the veneer soaked in fire retardent?
@danielrybin20066 ай бұрын
I was waiting for this video!!!
@bentswoodworking6 ай бұрын
👍👍
@warrensmith29026 ай бұрын
You learn something new every day.Something to try in the future.
@b3arwithm36 ай бұрын
Isn't the veneer a fire hazard risk if it contacts your plug?
@bigsparky655 ай бұрын
An interesting 16:32 video would make an electrician life easier
@waynerutledge88026 ай бұрын
I believe Matt Cremona just used these in his home renovation.
@farmcat31985 ай бұрын
I don't wish I saw this sooner.
@acerjuglans3836 ай бұрын
Interesting, but it's a solution for a problem that doesn't really exist. Besides, it's against any building code to put outlets down low into baseboards.
@richardlug61396 ай бұрын
You are right about the baseboards, but there are other applications where a recessed outlet would be nice such as a faux brick/ stone wall that is uneven or a wall covered in knottypine/reclaimed wood. And like Jason did on his island. So I can see a contractor buying this and having it in his tool box.
@danielakerman82415 ай бұрын
Who said anything about putting it into baseboards? The application he showed was on the back of a kitchen island, well above the floor
@richardlug61395 ай бұрын
@@danielakerman8241 At the beginning of the video Jason said the owner of the company that designed the jig, designed it in the first place, because a homeowner asked him if he knew of a way to inset outlets into baseboards.
@eriklips582Ай бұрын
Can you show me where to find minimum receptacle height in NEC for residential. I can’t find it. Thx!
@chrisl2218215 күн бұрын
Got out of electrical a decade ago, but there was nothing wrong with baseboard receptacles then. Did many houses that way, all inspected, and it was never even a question.
@larahau5 ай бұрын
And for European style (modular)? Do you know something similar?
@kdubs36 ай бұрын
Very nice - I'm going to try these out myself. One side note: something you probably already know -- another rule change in the new NEC 2023 apparently does not allow installation of an outlet receptacle below the countertop. Maybe it's different in your area. Too many people were snagging the cord when they walked by and getting scalded from hotplates, crockpots, etc. or worse.
@MMAThailand16 ай бұрын
Lowest common denominators. 😒
@silverbackag97906 ай бұрын
Some of have no legal duty to follow the NEC..I won’t when it’s stupid. Others are under different NEC versions.
@joshuapinter6 ай бұрын
C L E A N
@chrisharrimanwireworxllc74255 ай бұрын
is that UL listed?
@chrisjohnson67656 ай бұрын
Solutions for first-world problems😎
@howler50006 ай бұрын
Very nice!!!
@bentswoodworking6 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@michaelc.38125 ай бұрын
“Levitron”?
@chris28845 ай бұрын
The mismatching color and grain makes me cringe
@maestrovso5 ай бұрын
I wish I didn't waste a few minutes of my time watching this. I simply don't see any positive point in these. You reduce the insertion depth of the plug to receptacle contacts' engagement, which is a major negative. Engineers call this kind of thing fashion victim design.
@Tom_Swift6 ай бұрын
Because 99% of receptacles are installed over drywall. And of those, it's mostly electricians who are installing them and they do not have the detailed touch of a woodworker 😂
@alberthua5 ай бұрын
I can only imagine the hours and labor cost to something like this for an entire house. Way too much for it if you have anything for than a few to do.