Something Strange Happened In This Desert 70 Years Ago

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[@Thoughty2]

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[@robertfoertsch]

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[@Peace.and.knowledge1]

Champ !

[@jefflee1189]

bro, youre slipping hard. youre turning into the history channel

[@leonvoltaire]

They were working with Nazi scientists in Project Paperclip, hence the cover up. The Air Force brass made a calculated error when they spun it and used the litre green men card. After grabbing more attention than one could imagine, low and behold, the weather balloon is pulled out of their arse's! The dirtiest of all these secrets, the USA and the Vatican collaborated with the Nazis, to start the 4th Reich. Proof: Operation Ratline and also through the FOIA Nazi War Criminals Disclosure Act This one is on me....

[@onikai7055]

Funny thing is that I live in Roswell lol

[@darrenwoolley51]

This is one of the best channels online today... Always thought provoking and factual, most of the time I didn't even know I was interested in the given subject... Awesome

[@Thomas-yr3id]

Yep, dunno what I'd do without him hes brilliant

[@kingLroc]

Okay only down side to the suggestion in this video is why not let people belive its aliens ...surely that's the best cover up for goverment testing no? Why go and tell them it's wheather balloons.

[@Aryan-rx9rl]

Ikr! Know of any more channels like this one?

[@walkingdeadman4208]

@@kingLroc i know, he makes jokes about it. Thats why he doesn't mention Bob lazar

[@humphreyfluffy906]

I feel it has an agenda to it ?

[@Timmah200]

I applaud Thoughty2 for moving through this content without any mention of the X-Files. Well done, sir.

[@heidi_homsestol2728]

What are they

[@blitzmotorscooters1635]

@@heidi_homsestol2728 I want to believe

[@heidi_homsestol2728]

@@blitzmotorscooters1635 what

[@Steve-yl6wv]

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone mention The X Files this side of 1997.

[@m9078jk3]

The X=Files basically a new incarnation of the Invaders TV program 1967 that had flying saucers in it.

[@stevenmorillo4432]

“Hey guys, Forty2 here” 😂😂 am I the only one who still hears this? I love the videos though, keep up the great work

[@drewsleepmusic8656]

Just today I realized, the intention behind the name forty2! I feel dumb.

[@tomfromoz8527]

@@drewsleepmusic8656 42...is the answer.

[@dianamayfield5615]

@@drewsleepmusic8656 What is the intention? I may be too slow to have caught it.

[@jacks433]

I hear it every time it’s impossible not to

[@l.palmer6747]

I slowed this down to .25 playback speed. He is saying 42 as in the answer to everything. Funny guy.

[@willswalkingwest7267]

A couple points are always missed when this story is brought up. Brazell found the debris on ranch land over 70 miles from Roswell. He was days away from his home via horseback. He rode out to the ranch, being used for sheep, slept in a shed when there was a storm overnight. He heard the loud explosion during that storm. The next day he rode out to where the debris was. He didn't collect any of it just then. He went home and discussed it with his neighbors. They mentioned to him that there was a $$ reward for anyone bringing any parts or debris from a flying disc (UFO). So he went back out, another overnight trip, collected a small amount of debris and then went home, another overnight trip. Then he drove this small amount of debris to the Sheriff in Roswell. This is all important and I will say why in a moment. The sheriff called the air base and Jesse Marcel was sent out along with a government intelligence agent. They drove out to the site. They had to stop before they got there and spend the night in a shed. The next morning they showed up to the debris field. Which by the way was extensive, hundreds of yards long and hundreds of feet wide. Now, it had been many, many days since Brazell first stumbled on this debris. Years later, the Air Force threw that Project Mogul story out there to try and shut this thing down. A couple of problems with this. First, Project Mogul wasn't in place till AFTER this event. Second, Major Marcell & the intelligence agent were COMPLETELY WELL VERSED on any projects being conducted. Third, if any TOP SECRET flying device being used to detect Soviet nuclear tests had crashed and gone off the grid, most assuredly there'd of been some sort of search for it. Given that this thing was laying around in the open desert for many, many days and no one from the Roswell air base had been dispatched to look for any crashed devices, the story of ANY secret government flying devices crashing just doesn't hold water. Further, Marcel loaded as much debris as he could in his car, the intelligence guy grabbed a bunch and there was a whole field of it left behind. Marcel took the materials home before taking it to the base the next day. After he got to the base the order was given to go back out and collect the debris left behind. More days going by and no one searching. The most important points are that Marcel had full knowledge of any Top Secret projects. He had a Top Secret clearance, he was an intelligence officer and had full knowledge and understanding of all balloons, aircraft and anything they were using. His descriptions of the debris were very specific. Critics keep going to the writing on the I-Beams. But they keep overlooking the feather light foil like substance that could be folding and crunched up and then when set down it would open back up and have no creases. And the other plastic/metal type of sheets that couldn't be burned, dented with a hammer or be destroyed. The I-beams couldn't be broken, burned or destroyed. In his words, these materials were like nothing on Earth. It also has to be said, MAJOR MARCEL NEVER SAW ANY ACTUAL CRAFT OR ALIENS. Just the debris on the Foster Ranch. This story went away after it happened. Only decades later before Major Marcel passed away did he speak to Stanton Freidman about what happened. For me, Major Marcel's account is good enough. So many nutjobs and liars have spoken to would be authors and "investigators" that any credibility has been lost on this story. But if you go back to Major Marcel and his son, who handled some of the debris, and take that alone, you know it was no balloon, no Mogul or similar thing. And a final note, when the dust settled from this, Major Marcel was moved to the program that tested for Soviet detonations of nuclear devices. He was in the loop.

[@W1HURI]

Thank you for the good read. Whatever that flying thing was, i think that storm made it crash.

[@Lion_-eo4rg]

thanks for the info!

[@ajelliott9923]

i hate when this story is told as if the "conspiracy stories" r just nonsense.

[@johncurtis6815]

Excellent job recapping the events. You summarize it perfectly. There’s no question in my mind that UFOs landed at Roswell. Marcel and his son are very believable and credible witnesses.

[@mauricepowers8079]

I have a question about the "Debris Field"...was it just scattered over the surface? Did it create a trench or furrow when it hit?

[@fruitgod2076]

I remember my grandma telling me that when she was 15 in 1965, the year she migrated from Greece to Australia and at school everyone there saw a UFO during recess and everyone in the school staff told everyone not to tell anybody. In 2021 there was a show on this in Australia.

[@romerjason]

Westall. Happened in Zimbabwe too as well as Miami at a much smaller scale

[@kaos7181]

I'm Aussie and recall hearing such a story

[@botezsimp5808]

There's a Netflix alien documentary that mentions this incident! That's so cool.

[@zinro]

Westall UFO

[@Tony32]

I watched a doc about this called The Phenomenon. I was very impressed about how after all these years the witnesses still remember everything, they were finishing each other sentences. I was convinced the saw something.

[@okamithekid9398]

I used to live in Roswell for about 15 years. Everything is Alien based there, the lights downtown, the McDonald’s lol. Good video! Shared it with my family thanks thoughty2!

[@jetjaguar4285]

I live a few hours away. Always a fun visit on UFO day there

[@BABABABABANCHAN]

like the town next to zone 51

[@okamithekid9398]

@@BABABABABANCHAN yeah haha I did bro. Basically. Roswell New Mexico

[@okamithekid9398]

@@jetjaguar4285 haha thanks. Small town though bro. Like 7 years ago we had like not really good food chains there lol. But we got better food places and we were gonna get a amusement park but all the old people said no bruh

[@bigmike9128]

I was born and raised in Roswell .

[@patriciapalmer1377]

I was a huge skeptic until I walked onto my deck midday and something bigger than a major hotel was hanging silently above the trees. I froze, started shaking uncontrollably and in that split second realized there was a vast difference between extreme fright and terror. I never want to feel that way again, never told anyone. 1985, North Atlanta, Georgia.

[@antonackermann9620]

10/3/2015. 7:15pm. Walking home from work when I saw a bright glowing object pass silently directly overhead. Traveling roughly 30km/h and flying so low that I could have thrown a rock at it. No more believing for me afyer that. Now I know.

[@cyborgchimpy]

that sounds pretty terrifying

[@W1HURI]

@@antonackermann9620 couldnt have been a drone no!

[@masonhawley4106]

6:30 to 6:45 08/03/2016 I walking my dog through a park I saw a strange thing in the sky but it wasn’t like a star it was closer like I could touch it almost then it comes closer it is a weird shape and then is disappeared

[@charlierobert3571]

That's the thing we need definite proof to silence all the doubters, so many people have stories which are fascinating , intriguing and mostly believable , it's hard not to believe someone who has gone through such a experience but sadly nothing will change until there's 100% proof

[@eclecticjon1019]

This has got to be the best unbiased take on the Roswell incident I've seen. Great content Thoughty 2👍

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

I actually went to the Roswell McDonald's one time, in my teenage years I believe. I found it so hilarious that it had a UFO replica on the outside of it. The kids area was actually a lot bigger than I thought it would be. Even though it was in the UFO portion of the McDonald's, I thought most of that portion was just oddly shaped wall on the inside.

[@JUMALATION1]

I must have seen a pic of the McDonald's at some point somewhere and forgotten about it, because when I was a teen I once dreamt that I visited an identical McDonald's on the moon and ordered a Big Mac 🚀🌖🍔🍟🥤

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@JUMALATION1 Well, that sounds like a normal dream by my standards, but it is still interesting. I just went to that McDonald's that one time because my family would go to Capitan on occasion and Roswell is on the path to Capitan.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@11AceHearts11 Can't believe it's still open. It's been 9 or 10 years since I went there.

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@RockBrentwood That sounds hilarious

[@fumanpoo4725]

My cousin was an ET...he was born with an extra testicle.

[@DrethNET]

I will never cease to be amazed by Thoughty2's dedication of creating his own stock footage for these videos. Truly amazing.

[@Xxtayce]

Waitaminute... seriously??

[@Xxtayce]

Okay, FR, I'm going to need someone to confirm this one. Even the caveman video clip? Just the illustrations?

[@sandersamu4655]

Then InfoGrapchics just copy and paste the idea for their own videos

[@Xxtayce]

@@sandersamu4655 I don't think that's the case. Very similar animation style but a lot of channels have the exact same style. No way could a channel get as big as Infographics show with pirated art from a channel as big as Thoughty2's.

[@soundscape26]

Animations are not stock footage... unless you are making some sort of joke.

[@jasongitar]

Awesome presentation of the Roswell incident! I love watching your videos Thoughty2! I have met Stanton Friedman and have been following this story for years, thanks for giving and unbiased accurate depiction of the story :)

[@ambientheat]

I’ve been to Roswell back in October and visited the museum. I could have just watched this video and learned as much. Thank you for your balanced look and presentation of the events that took place there without going off the deep end on either side of the debate. Well done!

[@rigajykra3159]

Have you heard of someone called David Hawkins?

[@wandamaximoff813]

Love how you play and analyze every topic. You're an amazing storyteller 👌

[@H3liosphan]

Not quite every topic, didn't go into how Stanton Friedman switched from physicist to ufologist and made a fortune from keeping the conspiracy alive for the rest of his life. Just read his Wikipedia page - to this day there are several dozen top ufologists that make a mint from it, and probably don't truly believe that aliens are snooping around planet Earth (doesn't really matter), but keep the conspiracy alive just for their book sales.

[@JustindeEugeneWhyIQuitDeMonRat]

*WeLL TrumpPimps!!!! Wut did your Mo Ron GOD, TRUMP, DO about ALL this????*

[@jessswanger8547]

The reason I'm highly skeptical of Roswell being a crashed alien UFO is simply that, if an alien civilization has mastered interstellar travel, I would assume that they would probably have the whole in-flight repair thing down, too. The idea of a craft that advanced crashing just doesn't seem likely to me.

[@tubehepa]

The crash was obviously intentional. The aliens found were likely very advanced robots...🙃

[@thebiggianthead8364]

Bingo!!

[@SoulThrashingBlackSorcery]

How do you know the aliens didn't drop thier own ship on purpose as an experiment on us

[@SvetlinDimitrov]

Hm.. My take is that accidents or war could happen to any civilization, no matter how advanced.

[@commanderjavik6369]

It was actually a luxury ship they had to ditch to avoid astronomical taxes.

[@olawunmidaniel8845]

I'm always amazed by your videos, very creative and still very enlightening and educational. Brilliant!!!!. This is one of my favourite KZbin channels yet. I'd love to see u make a video on cryptids like mermaids

[@TheEarl777]

I think the class of school kids who witnessed a craft landing near their school and went and witnessed beings from it is the most compelling story. Would be great to see Thoughty do an episode on that one.

[@Teef305]

The way Thoughty2 and Jack's humor work together to make such informative and hilarious videos is a true gift to YT

[@12Ger13]

5:14 you made me burst into laughter with that one: "That's a pigeon, you prick" hahahahaha

[@subcityrebels9341]

the titter i’d produced was enough to get me to realize my sense of humor is stupid.

[@fergoka]

We have very different taste in humour I think...

[@xion1305]

Seen a "did the rosswell UFO crash happen" and thoughty2 made so clicked. Woulda passed anyone else. You put solid work into researching your topics.

[@venox314]

Can we just appreciate the great animation for these videos!

[@godlakwarrior3886]

This is honestly my favourite channel on KZbin. Love what you do, 42, you're the best!

[@gringoguapo]

I still call him 42 as well, even though it's "thoughty 2"

[@prabinprabin5490]

@@gringoguapo why 42

[@vatsal512]

@@prabinprabin5490 age

[@TheAmericanPsychoHimself]

@@vatsal512 i dont think he's forty2

[@xtianosickboy]

It's 42 cos of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy

[@katekrylov]

I believe that Roswell gained plenty due to that UFO obsession. Great way to revive a small town!

[@jackdurden466]

That’s a damn good way to see it! Silver lining! No pun intended…😂

[@JustindeEugeneWhyIQuitDeMonRat]

*WeLL TrumpPimps!!!! Wut did your Mo Ron GOD, TRUMP, DO about ALL this????*

[@MetalCharlo]

America never wastes an opportunity to monetize something

[@katekrylov]

@@MetalCharlo the best and the most real things in life are for free and will always be.Otherwise, I don't see any problem with turning a buck and earnings some money for the people, feeding them, giving them some opportunities maybe. And that's exactly the case.

[@jimdigitalvideo]

If all this turns out to be just a well-planned 'publicity stunt' by the locals to put Roswell on the map and make a fortune in tourism, then it will have to be one of the best publicity stunts in all of human history.

[@dylanstuart2432]

Nothing beats a day off with Thoughty2 and Mr Ballen!! Im lovin it

[@romanoscorgie3903]

Man this guy can carry out a story so well

[@mushtaqbhat1895]

Your perspective on all the stuff out there that human history and humans have concocted through the ages is really the healthiest and least depressing that ever existed on the web and yet it can truly claim to be as impartial as any. I have never imagined what all we humans are capable of! Watching your episodes on human nature and the historical characters that you bring back to life is like visiting a cosmos of weirdness that no fiction writer has ever been able to conjure. Yet you seem to have a soft heart for their weiredness and are never deprecative even when incisive and biting in your descriptions. You are master in revealing the follies and foibles and frailities of human character that I imagine even Dickens would have appreciated. And more than that the charachters are real! A new genre of art you have created that way.

[@Carpenters_Canvas]

im proud of you man i been watching you for a long time , basically the beginning!! i knew you would explode, you deserve it

[@ronb8066]

Again, a nice and well-explained video, and with the usual proper humor. Even I read a book about the Rosswell Incident, and always wondered why an advanced technological civilization would travel across the interstellar light-years, only to crash in the desert.

[@bootstrapperwilson7687]

Same reason an advanced intercontinental aircraft travels thousands of miles only to crash into trees a mile from an airport: technical breakdown.

[@askagain]

Hollywood and BBC can learn a thing or more from Mr. 2 here, by far the most professional amateur content creator out there, keep it up Mr. 2, you're doing a hell of a job and ....thanks for showing, i'll be watching ; )

[@7LeagueShoes]

I find it interesting that the original UFO in this video that "skipped like saucers" were (supposedly) cigar-shaped. Yet after the papers reported "flying saucers", people started seeing... flying saucers. Not cigars. And if you look at descriptions of aliens themselves, as told by people who claim to have seen them, the forms the aliens take pretty much lag right behind how they're depicted as in popular movies of the times. But I'm sure that's completely unrelated.

[@BannedByMe]

NSA (No Such Agency) didn't existed for 30 years and it was reddiculed the same as aliens. But then it came out to be not a conspiracy theory after all. I personally belive that one must be very selfish and proud to believe that we are the only living beings in our galaxy. We have evolved and developed most of our technology in 200 years time. Just imagine a civilization that has been around let's say 1000 maybe 2000 years more than us.

[@Jabberwocky818]

@@BannedByMe I don't think the dispute is whether or not extraterrestrial life exists, I think most people are in agreement that it does.. The question is whether or not they have actually made contact with us..

[@libertycowboy2495]

One caveat to that is if you see the cigar shape, and are expecting a saucer shape, its easy to assume you saw the "saucer " in profile.

[@coreybristow4128]

Well up till the roswell incident aliens wernt depicted as little green men in movies the movies were inspired by the stories they heard

[@damnd6277]

@@Jabberwocky818 well most people are not in agreement with that because their has never been any proof

[@DarisT-qc1fw]

My heart sank when for a moment I thought that thoughty2 was trying to get us into NFTs.

[@TH_5094]

Purchase fart good NFT bad

[@fefek1]

I don't even know what a nft is but I keep hearing about em bru

[@nerdexproject]

Ironic that this actually is about NFTs. It's just not explicitly mentioned XD

[@Samon187]

Same with crypto 😅 90% of scam comments on KZbin are crypto based

[@OldManPaxusYT]

hahaha me too! Isn't it an NFT site?

[@thirdlawofmotion]

Glad you covered this subject fairly seriously. One day things like this will be used in the court of public opinion to show how we are being manipulated.

[@jamiewaymire7599]

Always appreciate your videos! Definitely food for thought every time! Kudos!

[@JustindeEugeneWhyIQuitDeMonRat]

*WeLL TrumpPimps!!!! Wut did your Mo Ron GOD, TRUMP, DO about ALL this????*

[@mrurchu4812]

Yes, it did happen, I saw it with my own eyes! I was in that spacecraft, still got a scar on my knee from the crash. I even go to therapy for the PTSD.

[@RayGamingChannel10]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Scottocaster6668]

Thank God you were wearing your seatbelt and the airbag weather balloon was deployed. Good luck to you sir, thanks for sharing!

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

@@Scottocaster6668 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tensaibr]

@MrUrchu Yeah, sorry for that. I was on the way to Tau Ceti but took the wrong exit. Became nervous and took the wrong exit again, all suddenly I was at Sol 3 and that's where I bumped onto your spacecraft. I contacted the stellar emergency center but they replied the Sol system to be too remote. So they ended up contacting the Sol 3 natives. Sorry for the mess.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

You might want to go to a psychiatrist for all that crack you've been taking too!

[@seanb3516]

Well...there's probably around 100 Billion stars in the Milky Way and given a statistical likelihood of around 4 planets per star on average there are probably closer to 400 Billion planets in the Milky Way. Of course this is really all Semantics once you clear the first 50 Billion or so.

[@NRSKristensen]

Semantics? Dubious, maybe

[@jdmaine51084]

400 billion stars in the galaxy, I thought.

[@chrisramsey6725]

Never underestimate the Great Filter

[@microbuilder]

@@chrisramsey6725 No need for the great filter idea really, the universe is so large that it could be very well populated, but still seem completely empty. Lets say advanced life was as rare as only 1 species per every 1 million galaxies, that would still mean there are 2 million forms of advanced life in the universe, but they'd be spread out unimaginably far.

[@n-steam]

2 in 3 stars are part of multiple-star systems, which aren't likely to have any planets. Not all singular stars have planets either. Probably still more than 50 billion planets though.

[@rentturaakki]

Great vid! Haven't watched in a while and was wondering where did you lose your snappy suit?

[@shaunwalker7238]

Thank you so much for a real examination of the incident

[@jstone247]

Never expect those in authority to reveal anything truthful regarding Roswell.

[@jjwhittle8873]

And here, summed up in one sentence, is the problem with *all* conspiracy theories. You're taking a stance where you can never be proven wrong. Official statement admitting the incident? That's evidence of the incident. Official silence or dismissal of the incident? That's *also* evidence of the incident. People who believe in conspiracies need to ask themselves - what evidence would they actually accept as proof against the conspiracy?

[@skankhunt3624]

It's not a secret that the government has more advanced technology then they publicly admit to for military reasons. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we could use this technology for the betterment of humanity, but we don't, so here we are.

[@jrrgimli5378]

@@jjwhittle8873 i completely understand what you mean, but the problem is sometimes the evidence you would accept that a conspiracy theory isn't real is either lost, destroyed, or impossible to get. For example, I could say that the evidence i would accept as proof that there weren't aliens or alien spaceships at Roswell, would be if i could read all those military documents that were mysteriously destroyed months after the Roswell incident. But since those are gone, there is no longer any evidence in existance i would accept, and it would have been impossible for me to read them at the time anyway. This is mostly hypothetical but i hope you understand what i am trying to say

[@jjwhittle8873]

@@skankhunt3624 And here is "problems with conspiracy theories #2". The fact that the government keep *some* secrets doesn't mean that *all* conspiracies have the same chance of being true. "I know this conspiracy is real because the government keeps secrets". So what? So they develop military gear in secret? That doesn't mean they have wildly advanced futuristic sci-fi tech that can make all our lives better. That assumption simply doesn't follow from the statement "the government keeps secrets", but almost all conspiracy theorists use it as an argument (as you just have).

[@jjwhittle8873]

@@jrrgimli5378 Sorry, you might honestly believe that this would be your stance, but it just isn't the case that this is all you need to take down a conspiracy. What do you want, paperwork saying "it wasn't an alien craft"?? That can be just as easily claimed to be faked or deliberately misleading. Paperwork saying "it was a weather balloon"?? You really think official paperwork of this nature is enough to take down a conspiracy theory?? You can't prove a negative. You cannot prove that aliens didn't crash at Roswell. It's logically impossible. The burden of proof is on those making the claim, not the other way around. As I say, you might believe that this is your stance, but if that were the case we would be here discussing this. All these conspiracies are built on spurious logic, mis-reported media stories, decades-later "eye witnesses" and blatant fabrication. If it was as easy as "show me some official paperwork", you wouldn't be here discussing this. If it was that easy, you wouldn't believe ANY conspiracy theory.

[@HypnotizedAwake]

Always a treat your videos are! Thank you Thoughty2

[@tompoe22p]

I went to college in Roswell in the early 1980's (NMMI). We used to go rappelling in the abandoned missile silos in the desert, near the town. We participated in the annual streak every year. (The streak had started as a protest in 1978 as disapproval of allowing women into the military academy). I spent my first year after college in the Army national guard and my unit was in Roswell at the same base Marcel was stationed at in the 40's. lots of crazy stuff going on in Roswell in the early 80's. But 1 thing we never heard, ever, was the mention of any UFO, or aliens. not at college or in the military on the same base. I think all the UFO hype started sometime after the book "The Roswell Incident" was written in 1988. about a decade or so after that the town really started promoting the UFO stuff. Roswell has always been a fairly poor town and the UFO story gave them an avenue to get a different set of tourists to the town. Frankly it make me sad when I go back to visit or attend Homecoming events at the college. I have great memories from Roswell, none of them UFO or alien related.

[@anastaciosoto5594]

Is it crazy that I trust this Channel more than anything else on tv love your work man please never stop

[@ziyadnour]

Great video about Roswell .. you shared all point of views and did NOT take sides . Super work

[@kosmique]

my girlfriend and i had a sighting 10 yrs ago in germany... weird maneuvering, hovering silently in one spot, and getting lost in the stars is a fragment of a second. these things are definitely real !

[@iniquity123]

YOU SAW A U F O........ U F O IS NOT ANOTHER NAME FOR ALIENS. U N I D E N T I F I E D.

[@beespace.]

@@iniquity123 I’m pretty sure the only person who said Alien was you

[@thebob3712]

I dont believe you, the girlfriend part that is, everything else I believe

[@verypettygirl]

10 years later she's still your girlfriend?!! 🥺😳

[@joeynasir]

@@verypettygirl Lool

[@motorway2roswell]

I thought for sure you were going to shoot down the UFO story, but you left it as the "?" that it truly is. Excellent reporting work!

[@surfbreakn]

Seriously thoughty2, it took you this long to cover this?!!!!? Well, you've always left me satisfied.

[@Dr0p0fahat]

The thing is, none of the "alien body" stories were mentioned until Stanton Friedman started interviewing people many years later. Memories being what they are, it's very plausible that dates/years could get confused, especially since it wasn't a big deal at the time. Friedman effectively "created" the story by piecing together things that various people told him. Project Mogul exactly fits what Mac Brazel saw.(Right down to the flowery tape that was used because it was laying around.) Everything else was "remembered" years later. It's not even a close call, it was definitely Mogul.

[@MilliardoMK]

Nice try, Klaatu.

[@shannonbayley3684]

Hmm nope, you're missing sooo much here. Just dig a little deeper Mulder.

[@CronoBJS]

Many of the military personnel had oaths and NDAs to not speak about the incident. We got many deathbed confessions of what actually happened. One of my favorite witness that experienced something but wasn’t directly part of it was Lt. Corso. There are many more people who seen something and know something. Just gotta do research because “they” definitely don’t want you to know

[@gringoguapo]

@@CronoBJS I love Lt Corsos book, the day after roswell

[@williameldridge9382]

@@CronoBJS do you honestly and genuinely believe that the US government would be able to keep aliens hidden from us for going on 80 years? You are absolutely delusional. They couldn't even hide the doings of Wateragte, yet you want them to hide extraterrestrial beings that would have a technological prowess that we can't even begin to imagine? No, everything lines up PERFECTLY with the official explanation.

[@davidlancaster6941]

Good job Thoughty2! Appreciate the lack of scepticism. Your humor is appreciated. Good graphics. Thanks bro.

[@JustindeEugeneWhyIQuitDeMonRat]

*WeLL TrumpPimps!!!! Wut did your Mo Ron GOD, TRUMP, DO about ALL this????*

[@poysm]

Yes, one of my favorite Unsolved Mysteries episodes. Please do Victorio Peak treasure :)

[@everhernandez915]

I'm glad to hear you're input thank you for such a masterful video

[@javaally1203]

The cover-up was real, what they were covering up is unknown

[@bolg892]

Facts.

[@bolg892]

But deep down, I think we all know what it was. We just won't admit it because humans fear the unknown.

[@diane9496]

@@bolg892 bigfoot?

[@somerandomfella]

Thinking we're the only ones in this universe is like a grain of sand on the beach thinking it's the only one.

[@anojsubodaperera]

Yoo what happen to ma guy yall went from clean shaven happy face to unshaven depressed face..all jokes a side you da GOAT . um still here since 2018 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯

[@MrWhisperingwildly]

Appreciate your open mindedness on this, and not just ridiculing the subject

[@jasonforrest9833]

Thoughty 2 is awesome. I could listen to him talk for an eternity.

[@MrZedblade]

Marcel said the metal which was all bent and broken from the crash was impervious to being bent and broken. Sounds legit!

[@JoelBrandonMedia]

Glad to see you’re covering this topic. There is more. MUCH more. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Hope to see you delve into ufology more!

[@alwallace4538]

I'm of two minds. One, I was stationed at RAF Bentwaters shortly after your Roswell, the Rendelsham Forest incident. I trust what my commander and the SPs claim they saw. On the other hand I know people in DARPA and they can't say what they're working on, but "you'll see it in twenty years." Anyway, great episode.

[@egrogan6482]

FWIW, I once knew Jacques Valle (world's top authority on UFOs he works for various governments investigating UFO incidents). He says he believes Rendlesham is one of the actual real UFO events.

[@cornishgamehen9373]

Wish you’d mentioned the public announcement made back in April 2019 (?) by a pentagon official admitting they’d acquired material of an extraterrestrial origin. It was hardly covered. Not even a mention from the mainstream. Great content as always Thoughty. Thank you.

[@monkieassasin]

I first found out about that from the New York Times. I can even probably find the article citing it.

[@gringoguapo]

@@monkieassasin can you send me a link please? I would love to read it ❤

[@ellayted9522]

@@monkieassasin Post the link plz.

[@cjb444220]

@@ellayted9522 just look on KZbin type in Lue Elizondo. He's done many interviews recently. He says it on Fox news. Think the exact quote was "the US is on possession of exotic material" that's all I will say about that. He also said after leaving the uap program. "we may not be alone"

[@ellayted9522]

@@cjb444220 I'm aware of Elizondo but I don't recall him saying anything about the government being in possession of extraterrestrial material and I've watched alot of his interviews. Lemme go look anyway. Thanks a lot.👍

[@MysticalNerdTV]

Hey Thoughty!

[@Rainer_ow]

2*, thoughty2

[@atvega7]

Always an intriguing story. Interestingly, the sketch provided by Jesse Marcel looks an awful lot like the Horten Bros fixed wing design from the decade prior. I always felt there must a connection which would explain the secrecy of German tech making its way to US soil. Just a guess.

[@jbear3562]

Hello Mr. Lomas. I don't know what research you have done in the Post WW2 era, but I think it may be worth your while. As the Allied Military entered central Europe at the end of WW2 they found that Germany and her allies were working more than a hundred experimental airborne weapons including guided missiles and manned craft. Many of those experiments were bundled up and shipped to White Sands proving grounds to be reverse engineered. While some of those experiments have been widely publicized others have not. I firmly believe that an alien craft did crash near Roswell, I but it's origin was much more likely to be Germany or even Japan, not some far off planet. As for the "Alien" bodies? In the words of Tom Wolfe: "They were called Test Pilots... And no one knew their names."

[@TrapperKeeper32]

Great video. Fair analysis. One thing I saw that (if accurate) would also be relevant was that the debris was scattered across multiple acres and required something like 2-4 flatbed trailers to transport the debris to the base they took it too. If that is true, it really doesn't sound like a weather balloon of any sort.

[@iniquity123]

But as you say - is it true....?

[@Mona_Lisa123]

Hmm

[@erwindewit4073]

@@iniquity123 Who knows......

[@DutchGuyMike]

I did see footage of police cars escorting a few large flatbed trailers carry stuff in a Roswell recording with date and everything on it (side of the road)

[@warriormanmaxx8991]

@John Schroeder - re: "...really doesn't sound like a weather ballon ...." No Kidding !! Now that your evaluation is complete, do you wish to file a lawsuit against powers that be down in Roswell ?!?

[@ellistomago3369]

I currently live in Roswell. There are some UFO-themed shops for tourists, but it is nothing like Disneyland.

[@soulesslemming]

My wife’s family still lives in Roswell and we visit a few times a year, I love the people (mostly) they’re much friendlier than here in Colorado. I wish burrito express would open here lol that’s the only place I must visit when I’m there.

[@shawndory5193]

In the early 70s when I lived in Roswell, aliens weren’t talked about. That came later.

[@Heinz_Stresseinheimer]

Currently live here too, definitely nothing like Disneyland at all lmao but it's still nice, I like it here

[@Heyheywhatcanido]

I like how he's kept the same intro over all these years

[@RobertOrgRobert]

Thoughty2 researching 47 ! Loving it !

[@greenlung]

Could you do a video on pre Roswell sightings such as Aurora 1897?

[@bigfoottoo2841]

I saw one last night in my backyard. It landed and a small creature got out and came up to me and asked if I knew where it could find some intelligent life forms. I told it I was an example of the most intelligent creatures on earth. It looked at me for a moment, then jumperd back in its craft and flew straight up and out into space. I assumed it was excited to get back home to tell its kind about finding such an advanced creature as I !!!

[@GavinScrimgeour]

Just my suspicion - humans are so irrelevant. 😂

[@MM-ig1iv]

Right... and "we" still don't even know what we are.. I find that more fascinating than aliens! we are still just a theory!

[@FumblingFlingle]

A Dutch comedian once had good point. In one of his shows he explained there are either 3 options with the case of aliens. The first one they simply don't exist. The second one: their technology is inferior to ours. In which case, we shouldn't be interested in finding them. The last one: their technology is superior to ours. In this case they should be able to find us. Result: we should stop looking for them🤣

[@jmullens90]

Thoughty2, great video, you might want to look into making a video on the UFO stuff the Pentagon released.

[@erikk77]

Jessy Marcel Jr. wrote a book about his experience describing his father's account. The title is The Roswell Legacy: The Untold Story of the First Military Officer at the 1947 Crash Site

[@nickabel8279]

Think he was on rogans show

[@zsmusicmonstrosity9913]

If you scrolled down this far you are a legend and must love this channel

[@ilarious5729]

Literally didn't need to scroll at all, do I still qualify?🤔

[@shadyonej]

@@ilarious5729 I think 💬 🤔 so

[@auntiehollyd6395]

2nd comment I saw lol

[@eunoiaye5349]

@@auntiehollyd6395 Same

[@BiggieCheeseJr.]

Literally the featured comment for the video

[@tonyh2181]

We used to drive to Roswell from Alamogordo to go drag race cars. I saw a lot crazier things in the sky on the way to Roswell than I saw while I was in Roswell. The New Mexico sky at night is insane.

[@Heinz_Stresseinheimer]

True that. Where do you drags cars out here, just on the streets or that raceway?

[@hassannrah7742]

honestlythis guys been killing it since i watched back since 2015. that was nearly 7 years ago. 👌

[@dann3r55]

same! his content has been very consistent thru the years! Not many channels manage to do that.

[@kruzrken]

I was four years old at the time of the Roswell crash. I couldn't read at that age, but an older cousin related the Roswell crash story to me. BUT, what evidently has been heavily redacted, is a part of the story that I have never seen again online or anywhere. He related, "A flying saucer crashed in the desert in New Mexico. There was a smaller one too about two ft. in diameter, and a farmer caught it. It started to move and he wrestled with it, but it got away." Has anyone else heard this part of the story? I sure would like to hear about it.

[@bishalbhattacharjee8183]

Sounds interesting

[@lesliecogan641]

No, I haven't heard that, but I've been receiving messages in my face, that wants my focus on it. It's been over 3 years, and I just learned I was conceived 666 weeks after the crash; born in Roswell 11 weeks premature and my mother didn't know she was pregnant with me.

[@gailwatson4927]

I lived in Roswell in the 60s and I will never believe that story. My dad was stationed at Walker AFB in Roswell and he always told me that if I see any unusual looking aircraft that it would be an experimental aircraft.

[@alexkapinga2024]

Thoughty2 you legend. Love you man.

[@edinburghtumuran916]

Another informative video! Thanks, buddy!

[@Cosmically_Forsaken]

Fun fact, the "ufo" crashed on the border between my grandpa's friends father's farm and another landowner. I have met the daughter of the man who owned the farm personally and eaten dinner from there. My grandpa lived there when this happened. My whole family is from there. It's a huge part of my family history, and I love trying to convince people I really think I'm an alien 😂

[@CSSuser]

So are you an alien?

[@chrisinglis3750]

Hey thoughty2, How are you doing? Hope you are staying safe amongst the craziness which is the COVID pandemic. You make the best videos on KZbin. My girlfriend and I watch them all the time and enjoy the interesting topics and your hilarious commentary. Keep up the good work brother!

[@andrashavas]

Haha, very well put together. Reminds me of the sci-fi comedy movie Paul !

[@Yourmom-bl1yx]

Seriously one of the greatest channels in KZbin history in my book

[@Dysputant]

I would say this is amazing that expansion of phones with camera and digital stabilization somehow made alien/ghost/demons/cryptic animals videos extremely rare... and mostly debunked in less than few days after release.

[@HankMeyer]

I don't think they're any more rare than they were before.

[@kggupta3643]

@Saiyan in the Iron Mask they were debunked also by thunderfoot and many other proper scientific news channels it was a duck or seagull something like it.

[@inyrui]

@@kggupta3643 I have a hard time believing any bird was traveling as fast as the object in those videos. Granted I don't think they were aliens but I don't think it was birds. It also seems kinda ridiculous to think a science youtube channel figured out those videos when the government had hundreds of experts try to debunk them before they finally released them. Personally I'm sure the experts the government contracted proposed the bird hypothesis and it was thoroughly tested and ruled out. Unless the years and manpower they spent debunking all but those 3 videos somehow didn't think and test one of the most obvious explanations lol. Not that I trust the government but if it really was birds I'm pretty sure the government would jump at the chance to blame it on a natural occurrence rather than admit they don't know what it is

[@Zool2107]

@@kggupta3643 Just think about the purpose behind the disclosures. Governments never declare or make public anything 'just because' - especially on such controversial, contentious issues - there is always some (even secret) purpose to them. Do you think the fact that some youtube investigators (who use youtube to make money) can easily find out what government/military experts, including military radar operators and fighter pilots - who are supposed to be protecting the country, by the way - have been unable to decipher for years, sheds any light on them? Do you think the aim is to make fools of themselves? Think about it a bit, even if you dismiss this whole extraterrestrial issue, just ponder the political and military motivations a bit - and you won't sit on top of every story on either side. Critical and logical thinking - worth learning.

[@shaunbowen]

It always baffles me that a supposed advanced civilisation with the technology to travel light years, generally doesn't know how to turn the damn headlights off on their crafts at night. Any reports of 'lights in the sky' immediately get disregarded by me.

[@ThisNameIsMineDude]

It was just swamp gas reflecting light from Venus.

[@erikk77]

LOL

[@catlover0160]

That was really interesting, thanks 😍🇬🇬

[@ericrodriguez5592]

With all honesty, this was a very interesting and I think there's a lot more going on than just a "Weather Balloon".

[@jonathansteadman7935]

A lot of Roswell witnesses were threatened with something unfortunate happening to either them or their family. Frightening civilians obviously seemed acceptable to keep them quite.

[@wendigowendigone]

Wouldn't say that if I were you something bad might happen to your family👽

[@fergoka]

@@wendigowendigone Especially if that's being said by a Wendigo.

[@DutchGuyMike]

Like that school shooting a while back, the people in that area suddenly had their mortgages payed off. Coincidental, as they apparently had info that would have implicated the government/FBI/CIA.

[@mikecook8712]

Haha i actually live 2 hours from Roswell and if you gotta go to federal court, you know disability or such, thats where you go... Its a mega tourist trap today... But your still twenty miles south of the location and even then its private land and they will not allow you to look ... So yeah...

[@jetjaguar4285]

Alamogordo?

[@mikecook8712]

@@jetjaguar4285 i dunno live two hours away in Texas... I just know we couldn't get to the actual location

[@edgauthier3348]

I love when @Thoughty2 talks about aliens! 👽

[@JohanErikssonSWE]

I love this channel, its amazing, i can´t belive Thoughty2 has not been released on netflix or documentary medias. You deserv to be spoiled rotten, hope you make a good living from it brother.

[@williamcrowley788]

Lived in that part of New Mexico for awhile, been through Roswell many times, knew many people. In fact took my kids to the alien museum there the other week. I try to keep an open mind about these things. Still processing the tic-tac vids. The alien museum is genius, brings lots of money to the area. Personally, my little opinion is that it was a crappy cover up of crashed experimental atomic bomb detector like the museum has a display of in a passageway. The museum is well worth a visit and there are some displays that provoke thought. My kids enjoyed the McDonalds but unfortunately the play area was closed due to Covid. BTW yes I did see a ufo in New Mexico! Spherical, silvery color , high in the air. But when a cloud covered the sun it turned transparent. Then I realized I was looking at a weather balloon! If it wasn’t for the cloud I would claim an alien spacecraft perhaps. Lololol.

[@srspower]

It's all good fun and it's great that it brings in tourism. But yes you are right they were testing a stealth fighter. Interestingly it was based on a design by the Nazis but the Nazis couldn't build it due to the need for computing power.

[@solzstice]

@@srspower Do you happen to have a source for this? Would love to read more

[@srspower]

@@solzstice my grandfather told me. He worked for the rsre.

[@kyallogideon8625]

Just Imagining there are aliens among us watching this videos and thinking, "This Guy is really good, he might find us out"...Thoughty2

[@sidneyrobinson9186]

as always very nice and informative video always enjoy them.

[@franciscampagna2711]

My memory definitely grows sharper the more time passes.

[@biikuajet]

Did the Pentagon not confirm that they have aliens in roswell already?

[@macktheripper7454]

You should look into the landing at Rawa where 62 kids saw a ufo land and 2 beings come out

[@michaelkaminski84]

I think most people are forgetting that the whole idea of "flying saucers" is a misinterpretation. The guy was describing their movement as being like saucers skipping on the water. He was not describing the shape. But the papers printed "flying saucer" and then everyone started seeing flying saucers. But the reported "flying saucer" that sparked it all was never saucer-shaped. So you can pretty much be sure anyone describing a "flying saucer" is just the power of suggestion. The term never had a basis.

[@joab757]

Wow! You tackled an easy one this week!

[@Dark0neone]

I've seen UFOs with my mom before. It could have been a military test but why would the military run a test during a meteor shower when they know people will be looking up? The UFOs in question were stationary, then rotated around the center between them and became stationary again. if anyone can explain that, please do.

[@jakebella5683]

Because they can Still blame it on the meteor shower. nasa, the government, the armed forces, all the rich people have been lying to us common folk for hundreds of years. All they want is our money and have us die after that. They DON’T CARE!!!!!

[@ConTheDon187]

I've seen half a dozen ufo's and I haven't seen one in a long time. One time while I was in the woods with my school, a girl and myself decided to sleep together (hahaha) and while we were in the school's tahoe messing around we started talking about stuff and eventually we ended up just sitting there and watching the stars because it was such a clear night, and that's when I noticed a ufo darting around in the sky, pointed it out to her and she saw it and started freaking out, then the entire forest flashed and the ufo went from white to red, the forest flashed again and then it darted off into a cross shaped set of stars and she absolutely lost her shit and started crying and freaking out, I thought it was awesome. Another was the massive black triangle ufo and it flew over myself and my friends and was completely silent and had a big dome light in the center and other lights around it. Seems that the triangle UFO has been seen by tons of people, and especially where I live

[@alectrotter5527]

That sounds familiar. The stairionary thing then spinning again. But i don't think it was about a ufo. Something to do with quantum mechanics but just in theory.

[@barbarafogle3541]

Would you say it looked like at least 3 lights maybe more that would rotate like in a fan pattern coming together at a central point then expanding back out to the large circular pattern again?

[@Dark0neone]

@@jakebella5683 I was asking for an explanation of the phenomenon. I already know that stuff.

[@occhamite]

No. An officer who just happened to be a UFO buff got stationed at Rosewell, and suddenly, all manner of UFO's began to appear! How very convenient for him!

[@scottdavidson526]

"Oh Ronald you witty bastard." 😂😂😂😂