STW #27: the nWo in WWE

On this episode: A year after the conclusion of the Monday Night War, the nWo invaded WWE as Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash returned home to WWE. Bruce and Conrad take you behind what really happened during the New World Order’s 2002 return.
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[@williamscolaro1159]

“I can’t wait to kick out of that (your finisher).” Lol that’s great.

[@jasonvoorhees6416]

Lol funny as hell . So Scott hall and the nWo 🤣🤣🤣

[@cjvaye99]

obviously it was a joke but the fact that it infuriated bubba makes it funnier. he's such a baby sometimes. I saw a shoot where he ranted about stacy keibler 'disrespecting' him because she did her hair in front of "his" mirror.

[@twinktoiletsbestfriendsmomscan]

*I love how Hall knew that FAKE WRESTLERS would seriously get mad at him making that comment and that was the entire reason why he would say that.*

[@cscola4824]

😂

[@PersiaX582]

The way Scott Hall took the stunners was awesome. That’s probably the one positive from that feud.

[@joaquindelossantos7140]

Hall took the Stunner and Luger's Torture Rack pretty well, not bad for a bigger guy

[@stinger917]

I can't believe that you guys didn't talk about Kane's promo with Rock and Hogan, it was one of the best promo up to that point 🤣🤣🤣

[@moffjerjerrod1579]

“The MILLYUNS….” “AND MILLYUNS!” “Of Kaniacs out there!”

[@theoldhermit2601]

@@moffjerjerrod1579 Kanenites*

[@MikeLavin]

A big part of why it didn’t work was their start back with the company... Because right from the get-go, you had the 3 nWo guys almost losing to Rock and Austin in a HANDICAP MATCH… You had Hall losing to Austin, even with Nash’s help…You had Hogan losing to Rock, and to make it even worse for the nWo, you had Hogan turn face and leave. Gee, I wonder why it didn’t work. It was set up for it to fail. The audience was into them, it wasn’t about them not being “over,” because they were

[@williamflowers9435]

They couldn’t have a decent match anymore. All 3 needed to be carried just to not embarrass themselves. Hogan squeezed out a couple matches the fans were into (idk why) and since he never did much in his prime, it was “classic” hogan but that got old quick

[@williamflowers9435]

Hall & Nash stopped caring by 1998 and were just collecting a check

[@jameswesten2018]

1:38:57 ok that was forking hilarious 🤣😆

[@JoeyMartz]

I want to preface this by saying that I live in northern New Jersey. I keep singing The Jeff Jarrett song out loud when I'm waiting for the bus and then people look at me like I am out of my f****** mind. Having said that, I love you guys.... You two get me through Dark Times.

[@TheCMPunkNetwork]

I remember being pretty damn psyched for the nWo coming to WWE when I first found out it was happening, and the Vince promo, and awesomely done nWo vignettes. Im sure I'm not the only one who was excited, but turned out being one of the biggest letdowns in history.

[@Rschr101]

The only thing WCW related that worked in WWF/E despite the booking, was Booker T. Everything else bombed.

[@andytoon11]

Rschr101 rey mysterio? Eddie? Jericho? Beniot? Oh forget about the last one lol

[@patrickbateman4pres]

Timothy Boese I

[@allencollins1617]

I Was Too Timothy Boese. Someone Said Hogan, Hall & Nash Couldn't Take On HHH, The Rock & Kane, Because The NWO Were Considered Old In Their 40's.

[@allencollins1617]

Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall & Kevin Nash vs The Rock, Triple H & Kane, Size Wise Is Top Notch. Kevin Nash vs Kane, Scott Hall vs HHH & Hollywood Hogan vs The Rock. Or How About, Lex Luger, Kevin Nash & Scott Hall vs HHH, The Rock & Kane. Lex Luger vs The Rock, Scott Hall vs Triple H & Kevin Nash vs Kane. Hollywood Hogan vs Mick Foley

[@leestens5539]

The 3 on 2 handicap match between the nWo and Austin/Rock on Raw prior to Wrestlemania was freakin great tbh

[@leestens5539]

I mean at least Big Show and X-pac joining the group made sense considering they were both members before

[@DUFFYISBACK]

starts 21:15 thanks jason

[@jasoncutshaw8401]

Your WELCOME 💩

[@jasonbattaglia2390]

Starts 21:15

[@johnnykeane9633]

Thanks man 👌

[@brobsty1856]

🍆

[@fins2334]

jason battaglia thx

[@jamesrrath]

The hero we don't deserve but the hero we need

[@MikeDest]

Conrad's entrance music starts at 0:00

[@mikelong2756]

When old school wrestling podcasts draw more than today's WWE 😂

[@jynakaga]

Cuz

[@evilsWa]

You don’t understand the irony of the fact that you’re still watching WWE content…You may not like their product now but you’re still enough of a mark to watch anything related to them online. That’s still drawing for them. A guaranteed at least half of you haters on here pay 10 bucks a month WWE for a subscription. Y’all are real rebels though blowing them up in the comment section of KZbin.

[@jasonvoorhees6416]

Lol

[@gospitsgofox2155]

Its amazing that both Scott Hall and Sean Waltman are both still alive!

[@skippythealien9627]

not a NWO guy, but you can throw ric flair on that list too lol

[@jeffzehnpfennig1554]

6pac does a podcast never thought hed ever beable to speak clearly for an hr str8 ever again after mexico city scott hall is still ify I think he relapsed again

[@airwolfwwf]

RIP hall

[@paulcolston9963]

Not any more

[@outlaw_86]

This comment didn’t age well 😒

[@SkyGlitchGalaxy]

3:10 wow! Massive call out from conrad to yours truely. I appreciate it, buddy! I certainly earned it.

[@mitrisaosefh9610]

Back when this show was amazing

[@EmoEmu]

Adding Waltman was a no-brainer. Once you move past the original 3 his name should be right there.

[@savagetilley2782]

everyone HATES Hall vs Austin to me I LOVED IT i'm a huge Hall Mark. But to each their own.

[@christianedwards4476]

Savage Tilley Agree. I enjoyed it as well.

[@markwilliams7054]

underrated mania match. i was 12 at the time and hyped as shit for that match.

[@markwilliams7054]

i also preferred the way it turned out rather than if they'd done hall/rock and austin/hogan

[@scottyb003]

Me too. Glad someone else liked that match.

[@aikidoboynj]

Yeah I liked it too, I think its tough not to compare how much better a mid 90s Razor Ramon vs Stone Cold would have been.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

Would have been cool to see a Wolfpac nWo of Nash, Hall, X Pac and HBK if they were all healthy. Seemed like they were going that direction.

[@battlestories5169]

love this show!

[@keithcrockett9539]

Shane behind NWO coming in wouldve been pure gold

[@lukesaki1211]

Not a bad idea. Revenge for putting him out of business.

[@codydeering7450]

Love your podcast tho boys! Keep up the good work and the grind 🙏

[@markwilliams7054]

it's crazy how fast wrestling moved back then, i couldnt believe my eyes seeing nWo vs rock & austin on raw in 02 when that would have been almost inconceivable a year or two earlier. I was so into Hogan back then (i was 12) and was destroyed when taker won the strap off him at judgement day. but watching that year back now I was bored senseless by his run lol.

[@ville777cky]

The pic on the right makes me laugh. I can just imagine Hall doing his regular pose and Hogan sees that, thinks it's cool, and copies him. And then Nash just does his own thing

[@Super122291]

When was that pic taken Ryan

[@ville777cky]

@@Super122291 Huh?

[@zanezeiter]

starts at 21:16

[@robsop]

why is this so far down? Thanks tho!

[@nevgil]

Bless you🙏🏾

[@MadYokeRap]

Sgt. Slaughter used Kurt Angle's theme too at in your house dx 97.

[@mackboneyakakushthoughtspo589]

And the patriot

[@iTubeYourDadsMinge]

2:06:08 that’s not what happened. McMahon drafted Hogan to Smackdown, and Flair drafted the NWO to Raw.

[@bdr113080]

Bruce doesn’t give A damn about the truth. Whether he’s working for WWE or not throughout the years of this show, The guy will blatantly lie about something that you can go watch on the network for yourself and see that Bruce wasn’t painting an accurate picture. It’s the WWE mentality of rewriting history

[@booboogang8195]

If i got a dime for everytime they say innuendo in the STW videos i would be a millionaire.

[@ricosalvaje8131]

12:00 why is hhh in a production meeting? The guy is barely a year in being a main eventer and is now saying an olympic gold medalist cant beat him. WTF???

[@nirvana19931]

He wasn’t in production meetings at that time

[@taekwondotime]

I love how the barometer of who to go with is whether or not HHH can beat them lol... as if HHH is some legitimate tough guy or something. He's a body builder. That's all.

[@FamousMovieScenes09]

@@taekwondotime why dontcha try him?

[@Airdathegamer]

IIRC HHH started to give input on the creative as early as 97. I think I heard something about Vince liking some of his ideas, so he basically did some stuff in creative without getting extra pay for it. It's almost like an internship if you think about it. You can scrutinize him being in that position in the first place, but this is the explanation I remember hearing. It might not be true though.

[@taekwondotime]

​@@FamousMovieScenes09 There's always some jackass in the YT comment section who wants to take everything I say and (rather than apply it to the topic at hand) try to set up a match between me and said person. So how's this? Bring it on. Challenge accepted. Prime mid 20's or even 30's me mops the floor with HHH and leaves him screaming in agony. How's that? My mobility is 10x greater than his. My stamina is 10x greater than his, and I would hit him so hard I'd knock the spray tan off him. Body builders are NOT fighters. Not even close. He would have NO chance against me at my best.

[@matsong5134]

Regarding tWrestlemania 17 situation where Vince supposedly asked Hulk to lose to Triple H with the pedigree, it wasn’t Vince who suggested it. It was Bruce. 😂😂😂😂

[@philliptompkins4064]

This is the only channel I don’t skip the ad song

[@YoursAnonymously]

I have a hard time believing the plan at first was Hall/Austin and Rock/Hogan. Austin's said he didn't think he and Hogan would've had a good match, but if he was game for it, there's no way Vince would pass on Austin/Hogan for WrestleMania. It doesn't get much better than the two biggest names in Wrestling on the biggest stage of them all.

[@duffman18]

No it's always been a thing in wrestling. You don't put on your biggest potential matches on all right away, because then you have nothing left. You've gotta have stuff in the bag ready to use. I think it's called "blowing the town" or something like that, where if you're almost bankrupt or something you say "fuck it" and just book a card with all the biggest matches on as a desperate last ditch attempt to save the company, but then even if it works you've got nothing left anymore, nothing exciting to build up to. It makes perfect sense they'd wanna build Hogan/Austin up for an entire year to culminate at the next wrestlemania. But they didn't see it coming that Hogan would basically immediately turn face, and didn't know Austin was in his final year

[@bearcathampton5844]

Austin said he didn't want to do the match with Hogan. He's talked about how its 1 of the regrets he had. We missed out on the biggest dream match in wrestling history because of Austin's ego.

[@stmatz1233]

nWo 4 LIFE!!!!

[@evilbanjos5768]

Hogan must pose, brother 😂

[@keithcain8333]

@Bill Blass in about 100 other casts. Got to sprinkle the Hogan dust...

[@DNSV-ex8of]

So far the biggest names in wrestling history in there best run are.. Austin Hogan Rock Flair Andre Sammartino Lesnar Cena Undertaker Goldberg Shawn Michaels Bret Hart Savage Warrior Sting

[@kevinedwards7670]

That was spiteful writing by Meltzer. The most successful wrestlers in the United States were always, for the most part, the ones that Dave ran into the ground every week. Hogan, Cena, Nash, Hall, Michaels, HHH, Flair, etc. He has no love for people who don't call him and give him information. He has no love for people who don't work a certain style in the ring. To Dave, you've got to be someone like Dean Malenko or Eddie Guerrero to make it in this business. All of those guys are much more successful than Dave and didn't need him to get over. In fact, they got over in spite of Meltzer.

[@smarkslowplay3512]

Flair? They were and are buddies, Flair gave Meltz infos, Meltz praised Flair nonstop

[@DeegoL9]

Hall wasn’t built up properly to face Austin. He was the nWo member used to take bumps. Conrad should’ve asked him if the Hall/Austin finish was changed and when it was changed. Hall has openly said it was the finish change that really soured him.

[@SteveSmith-cm1hx]

The NWO blew up in the WWE because they had no clue that the fans would go so wild with Hulk's return. Vince never expected that and neither did Hulk.

[@andrecorreia848]

WWE never got what the nWo was! The nWo wasn’t just a stable. The nWo was an entity built by ex-WWF guys, that wanted to take a over a company (WCW) and start their own company with their roster. Therefore it could never be just 3 guys, or even 5, or even 7. You wouldn’t be able to reign in a company with only 3 or 7 guys. That’s why the nWo had a big roster! The main angle was to have an entire roster split in two, nWo and WCW and have them wrestling each other for supremacy and for the show’s control! So when I hear these WWF guys like Bruce Prichard, and even Vince, talking about how the nWo shouldn’t have been the way it was etc… It really gives me the whole clue on why the nWo failed in WWE. Just like WCW didn’t know what to do with a Bret Hart, WWE didn’t have a clue on what to do with the nWo.

[@stacyjohnston9803]

And for another $9.99 you can get Jennifer Flowers?

[@willthisdoreviews3376]

21:10

[@kagishokgaile]

Thank you.

[@gothchicksbongrips5712]

The leg drop death blow comment and Bruce's reaction 😂

[@clintbeastwood3797]

Bruce does some good impressions of Vince and etc lol

[@coleredmond8459]

They're a major highlight for these podcasts.

[@JoeyMartz]

"Well, you know"

[@matsong5134]

Hulk Hogan said that it was Andrae who taught him to listen to the audience and work off that.

[@darnelldarden9429]

Pritchard was right there was a lot of chemistry there. Too much chemistry. That’s why Triple H had the program cut short

[@rmelvin82273]

Put the t on your back.

[@AmericanGypsy206]

I remember watching the WWE in 2002 and by this point they were not interested in Austin anymore. They put him against Scott Hall at wrestlemania 18 and they wanted him to lose to Brock Lesnar on raw clean which led to Austin going home and leaving the WWE at the time… no matter how big of a star you are in the WWE after a few years they will forget about you and focus on other talents

[@shonuff0330]

21:11 Start

[@Rschr101]

I love that Hall punked out Bubba. I always liked the Dudleys but behind the scenes, Bubba sounds like a big baby.

[@thickerconstrictor9037]

Bubba is a legit bad ass. He's a big dude in person too. I had a tryout with TNA and I was hanging out in the backone of my buddies who was signed at the time and bubba was hands down bar none the most intimidating guy there. I mean I met Hogan Van Damme angle flair styles Anderson, I was hanging out with garett bischoff who is Eric son so I met Eric and I met Bruce but bubba hands-down was the most intimidating dude.

[@DeegoL9]

Batista hates Bubba if you watch the evolution doc in WWE. He painted Bubba as someone who always tried to steal the spotlight. Hall has always said that finisher lockout to people who took their shit too seriously as a joke, even back to his Razor days.

[@nickgonzales4674]

If you've never seen the net gun clip, please go watch it. Its gold for all the wrong reasons.

[@InsShogunGage]

"he's got a gun!!!"

[@travelreview5962]

I loved the rock paper scissors! Its perfect for the NWO. It's like hey we can kick this guys ass so easily its just a game to us. Still love it today!

[@MrMack1622]

They did this in wow too. The rock papers scissors isn’t a bad idea

[@MrMack1622]

Wcw *

[@feeyukyou7416]

I LOVE UUUUUUHHHHHH!

[@markmenning1804]

I never got that the outlaw group was working for Vince

[@flashpointblank4914]

Conrad hitting the bong at 32:50 😂???

[@Ckypwnd]

Always wonder why hogan never had a program going into summerslam 2002 and survivior series 2002 always what if ohhhh man

[@splitter7376]

Rip Scott Hall

[@benzion8885]

They should of brought back eric bischoff and Michaels for the NWO at the same time

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

1:11:56-And its a good way for him (Austin) to lose to Jericho without looking weak.

[@gbody2617]

I wish Macho Man would've made an appearance at the end of the WWF and throughout the WWE years until his death.

[@jordaneason5658]

Would never happen not with the “rumors” with him and Steph

[@rocknwo1]

Conrad my question is SmackDown following Monday night Raw post WrestleMania 18 why is Vince McMahon rock in a black eye what's the story behind that or perhaps Bruce would know

[@aaronivey2765]

VKM once said that wcw wouldn't knw what to do with a Bret Hart. That was true and likewise WWE didn't knw what to do with NWO.. And it's sad because it could've been a big success if Booked right.. At the beginning they were booked d with a lot of heat, mostly unstoppable always made fools of us fans.. We were the baby faces and they bullied us every week for months on end with our heros who served as our representatives seldomly getting their receipts.. When they did it was glorious because we waited for it long periods of time.. There was no instant gratification.. Bit that never translated to the WWE.. To Bad it didn't.. What a waiste

[@seanleftwich]

12:59 🪦 shieky baby❤

[@warshipsatin8764]

i dont believe it was solely from smelling the beer...

[@johnpaulsen6301]

hands down the main problem was no Macho Man Randy Savage !!!!!!!!

[@peterfusco6783]

What guy that was over in any other company got over in the purchaseing company? Sting in Crocket?

[@ArmandtheWise]

"I know what we will do. Have Hogan and Rock team!" "Sigh. But there was a draft, they are on different brands." "FUCK IT!"

[@betunia98]

I thought the fishnet gun thing was cool I was watching it this time I didn’t know that happened until this podcast

[@christianedwards4476]

While the NWO angle may not have worked it was so endearing to see Hogan back where he belonged.

[@med1965]

Kevin Nash just blew out his quad listening to this podcast !!!!!!!

[@joaquinibarra1933]

Where's the episode when they talk about the vince mcmahon and hulk Hogan money disagreement story??

[@whidoineedthis]

Whos better Stephen P New, or RG Taylor?

[@MrMarcodarko]

how many wwe matches at this time were all dq.....WAAAY TO MANY

[@cyranocrimson3835]

This show needs to be sponsored by Chap Stick.... Bruce seems to need plenty of it.

[@kresienm9031]

What was Undertakers opinion on Nash and X Pac's influence on Shane 2:20

[@markmullins132]

Rick "The Model" Martel = The Greatest Wrestler ever

[@chrismonk8446]

I was very excited they were back. But it was hard to make the nWo make sense in New York. The concept was Hogan, Hall & Nash Ex WWF Stars going down south and declaring their better than wcw..and they were. In the WWF is doesn't work as much. Plus. It's HULK HOGAN in a WWF ring. No way he's not going to be cheered to death. It's freaking Hulk Hogan!

[@jasonvoorhees6416]

Yo yo yo fellas what’s going on? Thought this thing was 4-life ?

[@bladegreen9757]

Who booked this shit - Conrad Thompson

[@kyle2441]

Chat me up...

[@Rambomode92]

They should go undertaker 99-08

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

1:35:28-Is a rifle better than a handgun?? Lol

[@gregjohnson2824]

You always set the questions up multiple choice style…

[@armanirza]

Hey Conrad, were u smoking a bong at 33:00?? lol

[@delv213]

lol

[@fins2334]

Brad Jones has to be. What else sounds like that. Good listening

[@Super122291]

Andrew Bowyer damn Andrew

[@michaeldetoffoli7237]

LOL! He's definitely just adjusting the mic stand

[@armanirza]

@@fins2334 whats that old saying, takes one to know one? Well i definitely know that sound and u right MrCornetteGuy... CHOCOLATE CAKE BABY

[@wrayday7149]

2002 NWO in WWE stood for - Not Working Out

[@jedidethfreak]

Real Olympic wrestling hero, who wins a gold medal with a broken fuckin' neck: *exists HHH: 'nobody would believe he could beat me for gold.'

[@andrewbowyer5043]

Conrad "what did Pat Patterson think" Thompson

[@shilledoutbyfers2445]

The chemistry didn’t work because Austin thought he was better then Hall...But it was because Hall was not promoted right by WWF & Hall is partly to blame for that...But Still Hall has never got his just due credit for being an unbelievable mind, character & performer due to his issues!! There was soo much that could have been done with the NWO angle & the WCW invasion but the WWF “Dropped the Ball” on all of it in my opinion!!

[@jeffreymiller9808]

100% Agree Scott Hall had certainly paid his dues in the Business and SCSA forced Vinnie Mac to change the finish because the Rattlesnake's ego couldn't handle losing.

[@jackigoon6168]

Perhaps... perhaps not. But if rumor & innuendo were ever right about one thing? Scott Hall sold one HELL of a Stunner.

[@robertreams1231]

No, it was because Hall was an addict and Austin, after already breaking his neck, didn't trust Hall in the ring.

[@andrewft31]

@@robertreams1231 who has Hall ever injured?

[@damndippindots560]

@@andrewft31Disco Inferno’s hair and chest.

[@jeffreyriley8742]

2:07:41 "But there's a draft. They're on different brands." "Fuck it!!"

[@erikbenson3228]

Honestly, Ben Askren should be on this list. So many

[@AcidRayne100]

35:45 Random Rick Martel theme music.

[@ogarstyle]

I listen to these songs and all too buuuuuuuut... Kudos to you for even knowing Rick Martel's theme let alone recognizing it in the background...

[@Phantusa]

Nash aged better than Hall

[@hjq0023]

Hall drank and did tons of pills

[@tthomaselli2]

6:05.; Why would anybody say "Fuck Tony Schiavone!..."?

[@gothchicksbongrips5712]

Your buddy's research from the Angle episode had a lot of wrong information. I wouldnt plug his stuff either.

[@rackballjones6585]

Prove it

[@Super122291]

Rackball Jones yea prove it

[@seeyouinhellyeowie3865]

There's a few songs what get used again somebody call ma mamma was used twice the godfather & big brotus or whatever u call him lol.

[@AngeloMartinez6]

I though this guy was Jim Ross asking the questions

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

I used to think Conrad sounded like JR to the point I thought he WAS JR!

[@sonicplys64]

"Fuck Tony Schaivone". I agree Bruce. I agree.

[@KhronicYouth]

hey what are you saying the undertaker is just dandy

[@seanleftwich]

45:47 what are the odds?

[@dhthedh6948]

Can't blame Russo for this one.

[@MattSingh1]

No worries, plenty of other utter shit to blame him for...

[@joeygana8864]

Matthew Singh-Dosanjh Shut .up, MARK, RUSSO IS MISUNDERSTOOD

[@joeygana8864]

Matthew Singh-Dosanjh just Blame Russo, like just Blame Trump, I guess it was Russo’s fault WCW went under? No, it was done when he got there, if you look at the Ratings, they were up for the months he was there, and TNA was at its best when Russo was there, 04,05,06,07,08 were TNAs best years, Hogan, and RipOff killed TNA, Prick, yes I am, but Clueless, No, Not Even Close, stop listening to Libtard CORNETTE, he is still stuck into 1979,and I loved Pro Wrestling in 79, But it’s almost 2018, and CORNETTE WOULDNT have a podcast, if he didn’t use Russo, Trump, Dixie, KO, Kenny Omega, the Bucks, as his stick. Just stating Facts.

[@MattSingh1]

WCW under Russo- Nitro ratings went from an average of 3.08 to a 3.10. Average attendance went from 4,628 to 3,593. Pay-per-view buyrates (the biggest source of income for the company) went from 0.52 to 0.26 (they dropped BY HALF).

[@jaylew8408]

No disrespect cause he does a good job, but 90% of their listeners probably tune in mainly because Bruce is involved. Its like if I started a podcast about football and ditka was my co-host. Again he does a good job, but he's really got the goose that lays the golden egg...edit...ha over a half hour later he makes a reference to the golden goose

[@nicholasfarrell8403]

I thought hall was gone by the time wcw closed. Didn’t he do ecw dates

[@Super122291]

Yes Nicholas

[@jiminyjillickers5243]

Did I hear dude take a bong rip around 33 mins in?

[@justhearmeout9878]

I hear that 2

[@Mega-mt6ut]

That's what I thought too.. it sounded like a bubbling bong, exhale, and a lighter flickering...

[@fins2334]

Jiminy Jillickers yes indeed. Bong hit

[@michaeldetoffoli7237]

LOL! He was definitely just adjusting the mic stand

[@cjcal2674]

1:35:40

[@m.bowman2841]

I kinda doubt hall said the kick out thing to the dudleys, seems like youd get a black eye for that