Son Goku Is A Good Dad, The Slander Must Stop

[@megapokesonicx]

Piccolo: Drowns a child and leaves him to starve in the wilderness. Father of the year 👏👏

[@PrimeShiem]

RIGHT

[@MONKEYDZETS]

Piccolo was evil back then who makes time to visit gohan take care of him who did gohan ask for an outfit from! Did piccolo give cell a senZu bean cell

[@PrimeShiem]

No, but did Goku drown Gohan to wake him up? Also, Goku gave Cell a Senzu Bean cause he knew Gohan would win regardless.

[@nayan.punekar]

​@@PrimeShiemNo he gave a senzu bean to cell to show how confident he was that Gohan could defeat him.

[@PrimeShiem]

If that was the case, his confidence wasn't misplaced.

[@chriskoloski32]

For a man who was raised alone in the woods as a child, has no kind of formal education, and has saiyan biology. Goku has been a damn good father from the moment he risked his life to save gohan from his own brother. I know Teamfourstar didn't start this slander. But they made it significantly worse

[@PrimeShiem]

Yea, as someone who lost his father figure early, I'd say he did pretty good. And yeah, while they by no means started it, they did kinda boost it, not on purpose tho.

[@chriskoloski32]

@@PrimeShiem I'd say it was half on purpose, I mean they wrote gohan to have daddy issues on namek complaining that gokus never around, which makes no sense when he was dead for a year and then hospitalized after the vegeta fight. They had to know going that direction would cause something

[@PrimeShiem]

@Darc Hart94 yeah, I feel like they didn't mean to propel the argument, but when ya mention it, yeah, it was to be expected.

[@ojpickle5923]

​@@chriskoloski32 nah Gohan was 5, him being upset is justified because 5 year olds aren't meant to be rational. Plus Goku immediately then after left for a year to train on yardrat without him so Gohan's TFS feelings aren't 100% rational but they are how a normal person at that age would feel

[@goblingoovo6508]

@@chriskoloski32TFS’s pull at that point was nowhere near as big as it ended up, plus they, as stated in every single episode, are parodying the show. I don’t think they would have any reason to suspect people to actually fall in line with that idea.

[@SoraTempez]

You know what's sad? The fact that Goku is actually a good dad and he is even better than some parents in real life (Those who abuse their kids, Neglect them, Ignore them, use them or straight up not even be part their lives or abandoned them) and Yet people hate on Goku as a dad and even actually deadbeat fathers Like this man died twice for him and broke the rules of life and death for Gohan and people still have the Audacity to call him a bad father

[@PrimeShiem]

That's what I'm saying, he literally goes above and beyond when possible for the earth and his family

[@Derrick-n9q]

⁠fr atleast this man is a better father then endevor and shou tucker

[@MasterofVirology]

Yea let's ignore that Goku was confused why Vegeta wanted to stay in Earth and Not trained when Bulma was pregnant. Keep in mind that Vegeta didn't come to earth until he was an adult. So Vegeta and not Goku should be more ignorant of Earth customs . Let's ignore the fact that he was ignorant that Gohan was not a fighter. Had it not been for Android 16, Gohan would have died. Piccolo where "Do you want to know what he's thinking. He's not thinking of strength nor competition. He's wondering why his FATHER IS WATCHING HIM DIE. And so your son may be the most powerful person on the planet , but he's still a scared 11 year old boy. Yea that's father of the year mentality right there

[@trayboy214]

​@@MasterofVirologyyou clearly didn't hear the speech Goku gave Piccolo as a rebuttal but yes let's give the abusive green alien who is no older than Gohan the best dad title. Goku never once doubted Gohan and even acknowledge Gohan could surpass him. Bro took a Self Destructing Cell bomb, stayed on dying planet so his kid could escape. Pieced up Bojack from the afterlife for laying hands on his son and consistently gave him praise when others shot Gohan down for lack of confidence or fighting prowess. Piccolo and Vegeta shamed him about his bravery and fighting ability while he was a child A CHILD WHO IS JUST GOKU'S son Goku never once shot Gohan down for not being as strong as he could be. He was just confident all his foes would be light work for Gohan if he really went there. The whole reason he took the Cell bomb was simply for the fact he didn't want his only son to die

[@MasterofVirology]

@@trayboy214 if this was a rebuttal , then why did he ask Piccolo for a senzu bean. You clearly ignored the face Goku made when Piccolo gave that speech.

[@CelticMadLad]

Piccolo: So you just gonna let your son get beat up by a monster?! Goku: So you gonna act like you didn't kill me and do the same? 1 - 0 Goku

[@PrimeShiem]

Facts!

[@srkrishnaiyer797]

He also younger, way less prepared and on paper(his base power level was like 1200-1700 ) close to no difference even rage amped was like 2500. That is still less than piccolo by 1000. Suppressed ssj Gohan is the strongest Z fighter bar none

[@Wabbit804]

Gonna need a senzu for that one

[@red5158077]

Yeah, Goku's a better dad then people want to admit. Super, he's not that bad either. He says he's proud of Gohan on his strength and that he's happy for him having a child. He keeps Goten and Trunks from the tournament of power. So the people who say he's a bad father are liars.

[@Derrick-n9q]

fr i mean i get he died and wasn’t around when gohan and goten needed him but he had to do it to save the earth

[@PerryMcCall18]

That, or people have only seen DBZA and think it's a accurate.

[@littleaqua32]

It’s worse than that, they’ve deluded themselves into believing the lie as truth

[@DraggyCash]

Not true. He suggested the kids join but Vegeta declined it in Manga

[@PrimeShiem]

True, but the Manga and Anime are different cannons

[@batim_b5815]

The fact that even vegeta couldn't care less of saving baby trunks when he fell out of bulmas ship 😭😭😭💀

[@PrimeShiem]

I really should of brought that up, that was crazy😭😭

[@batim_b5815]

@@PrimeShiem fr

[@MasterofVirology]

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[@MasterofVirology]

@@PrimeShiem this WAS NOT for the tournament of power. Goku just wanted Vegeta to train with him. Bulma would have been cool with Vegeta leaving if the entire universe was on the line. There was no universal threat. I implore you to re-watch that episode and then return to this conversation

[@PrimeShiem]

@@MasterofVirology which episode was it?

[@oolooo]

Love how people believe the dude who kidnapped a toddler after he killed his father and left him in the wilderness to fend for himself and forced him to train for a brutal fight against terrible people and the dude that punched his son , was willing to let him die with his mother when he was a baby and did not pay attention to him during the first 7 years of his Life are seen as better paternal figures than the dude who died for his sons twice and supports them in all they want to do in Life and is proud of them . DBZA has killed the fandom's ability to properly see characters in Canon .

[@PrimeShiem]

I know, absolutely crazy right. Honestly. I should of brought up cell saga Vegeta, but I felt that it'd be weird to backtrack, and Piccolo is self-explanatory

[@oolooo]

3:56 Also , this moment felt out of character .

[@TheFakeMakotoYuki]

@@oolooo no that was in character goku’s knows what will happen because he was in gohans situation when king piccolo killed krillin and goku was on the verge of death after that fight so he knew he had to stop gohan so he wouldn’t make the same mistake as him

[@RockStoneLee19]

Understatement. Look at popo canon vs. Popo abridged. Completely different ppl.

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

mr popo is one of them also can people stop being cunts to the name Karen?

[@justasentientmclarenp1879]

Is Goku a bad father? No, he could’ve been better in raising his children, but he literally died for his children and has spent time with children when available. He wasn’t there for most of Gohan’s life because he was either dead or fighting for his life trying to save the universe.

[@PrimeShiem]

Right, I don't think he's the perfect dad, but I think he did a good job.

[@1kbmahan]

The whole concept of being a better father is cringe since in these shonens father hood and being a son is a different ideology in these stories because it’s fiction. We can’t say he could be a better dad if we’re currently not fathers ourselves. It’s fiction and it’s not that big of a deal. Gokus father and son relationship is a narrative decision for a story of Saiyan warriors. This whole discussion of goku of being a good dad is annoying because at the end of the day gohan is proud of his dad and goku is proud of his son.

[@timebreaker9190]

One of the main things people choose to ignore is why Goku decided to stay dead for 7 years. Goku knew he attracts all the villans that came to earth and he was 100% right. Saiyans arrival, Frieza and the whole cell saga existed because he didn't finish the job. Buu was a coincidence but MAJIN VEGETA was not

[@PrimeShiem]

That's true, literally the whole Buu Saga could've been avoided.

[@lapplandkun9273]

Because people watch the anime where it had the filler otherworld tournament and didn't read the fucking manga, the true source material, where goku wanted to stay dead because Bulma told him he attracted all the villains. Goku is both selfish and selfless honestly, but his selfishness makes him much better than Naruto as a shonen protagonist and on the level of luffy.

[@moresarmsmorearms6380]

@@lapplandkun9273this shows you didn’t watch the anime or read the manga. Goku couldn’t come back because the dragon balls couldn’t bring someone who died already once. Goku was using that reason as to comfort his friends not as a reason to not be resurrected.

[@superpaytonmars8852]

As for the bean toss, consider the following. Vegeta, tried to destroy Earth in desperation. Frieza, succeeded in destroying namek in desperation. Cell, has both their DNA.

[@PrimeShiem]

That is true.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@PrimeShiem goku sensed the bitch in cell and took no risks

[@ninjanate5018]

@@durrangodsgrief6503THANK YOU. FINALLY, SOMEONE SAYS IT.

[@SonGojit456]

9000% True!

[@RockStoneLee19]

​@@durrangodsgrief6503😂

[@buppd0641]

The senzu bean did nothing for cell cuz he still got folded by gohan just proves goku was right to have faith in gohan

[@PrimeShiem]

Honestly, when you put it like that, you right.

[@SonicmanChannel]

Finally someone spitting fax, my man goku might not be a perfect parent, but he sure as hell is a good one.

[@PrimeShiem]

I'm glad there's so many people who think he's not a bad dad.

[@StareachValcin]

All I can say is that Goku is a good father to both Gohan and Goten, caring about both of them, and even dying for his oldest son twice.

[@NamiNaoLe]

People who say Goku is a bad dad have never truly experienced having a bad dad/parent

[@Yangnarium]

Goku isn’t a bad dad, he’s just careless but supportive of his son’s decisions. ChiChi isn’t bad either, she’s one of those ‘tiger moms’ that just wants Gohan to have a good future.

[@nickeel8401]

I don’t think Goku is a bad dad, I think ppl r just provided better examples of healthy fatherhood later on in the series and blow Goku’s admitted faults out of proportion. Best dad title is a tie between adult gohan and krillin. Both love their kids unconditionally, both provide for their family financially and in stability, both fight threats to the planet (and thus their family). Everyone knows Goku’s faults as a father cus they’ve been memed to death

[@PrimeShiem]

Exactly, I'll admit he ain't perfect, but he's a lot better than what people give him.

[@kamikazehound3243]

Tbh its because of TFS abridged thst paints goku as both a horriboe dad and husband

[@PrimeShiem]

Yeah, it definitely swung people to that opinion, intentionally or not.

[@saynboi6985]

The only reason most of them are even able to do that is because of goku in the first place

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@saynboi6985like Goku has any clue because he’s an idiot. He has an excuse for being not the best

[@distheotaku3595]

Honestly the funniest thing about giving Cell the senzu bean is that Goku was 100% correct in his decision and no one sees why. First off, Gohan was literally the only person on the planet with the potential to defeat Cell, but he needed to be pushed to SSJ2 first. Get Cell back to full power and his arrogance and pride returns. That arrogance and pride is what causes Cell to practically torture the Z-Fighters and push Gohan to SSJ2 in the first place. Had Goku never given Cell that senzu bean? Surely he would've killed Gohan and the rest in his desperation, wanting to destroy the Earth and move on before he gives the Earthlings too much room to make a comeback like he did in canon. Even if you assume Gohan in SSJ alone would've killed Cell, this would mean that SSJ2 (And SSJ3 by proxy) never comes to fruition, which means everyone dies in the Buu Saga. So no, Goku didn't fuck up by giving Cell the senzu bean. What he did was give Cell just the ego boost he needed to push Gohan to SSJ2 in the first place.

[@MasterofVirology]

Goku absolutely fucked up. Cell has Gohan in a bear hug. Gohan was literally dying . Android 16 rescued Gohan. if Gohan has broke free on his own , then I would agree with you . But Gohan required rescuing. Even then ,Gohan couldn't reach super Sayain two on its own. If Android 16 hadn't been there, then Gohan would have died.

[@saynboi6985]

@@MasterofVirology That is where the piccolo speech comes in which cause goku to fight cell as he saw that his plan to push gohan didn't work because the desperation didn't work as it would have for goku. Android 16 realized what push gohan needed and became the push goku wanted to give to gohan.

[@MyGoat4207]

​@@MasterofVirologyBlud did not read the comment

[@JuanchoFrmUpstate]

I would consider Piccolo as a horrible teacher to Gohan but yet everyone praises him and calls him Gohan actually father is all the way outrageous for anyone to think of 😂.

[@PrimeShiem]

That's what I'm saying! Father is wayyy to gracious of a title for Piccolo.

[@jawadgzlh6869]

@@PrimeShiemnot to mention that he is only 4 years older then gohan💀

[@PrimeShiem]

@jawadgzlh6869 bros an older brother at best☠️

[@MasterofVirology]

​@@PrimeShiemPiccolo was still evil. Since he became fully good , he's been a much better father to Gohan than Goku. In super Goku was bewildered why Vegeta when Bulma gave birth. He literally said it's not like you're pregnant .

[@PrimeShiem]

@wingeddragonra3953 firstly, he wasn't. In Z, before Goku died in the Cell saga, Goku was just as present as he was (even more if you count the time he spent with Gohan before Raditz showed up), and we don't know what Piccolo was up to for the 7 years Goku was dead. DBS also likes to retroactively dumb down Gokus character, to a point that the only consistent thing about him is his design. Seeing as he was literally with Chi Chi and OX King for a good few years, I find it stupid that Super tries so hard to make him this ignorant and emotionally inept. I'll give Piccolo this, he's likely been a better figure in Pan's life than Goku, but not a better father to Gohan.

[@seaman2338]

The senzu bean toss is crazy, but that's just how much Goku believed in Gohan. Gohan didn't even care about the bean either, cause he understood the sentiment.

[@PrimeShiem]

Honestly, that's true, Goku had the faith in him to give Cell a fighting chance.

[@BbkBtw]

Stockholm syndrome being the foundation for Piccolo and Gohans relationship is like mind numbingly accurate unfortunately 😂

[@PrimeShiem]

It's hilarious as well🤣

[@dingbat5231]

10:41 With Vegeta hitting both Trunks and Goten in that scene, he only did this because neither one of them would listen when Vegeta told them to leave. He knew it was the only way to get the boys to safety

[@PrimeShiem]

Yeah, I definitely overlooked that on purpose, so thats my bad.

[@gokufromfortnite5600]

yeah but come on, that gut check on goten was personal

[@anthonytamuzza591]

Team Four Star and their contributions have done permanent damage to the Dragon Ball fandom.

[@PrimeShiem]

Yeah, I kinda thought they springed the idea of him being a bad dad to life.

[@b1akn3ss93]

People really confusing the TFS abridged version with the original 😂

[@Mr-Mxrgan]

Fr💀

[@Max25670]

Piccolo kidnaps 4 year old Gohan and leaves him in the wild for a week. Fandom: PiCol0 iS gOhaN's reel fAthER!!!1

[@littleaqua32]

Piccolo and Gohan’s relationship can be summed up as Stockholm/Lima syndrome

[@PrimeShiem]

That's what I'm saying.

[@eetfuk3571]

Piccolo and Gohan are more brothers than father/son. Piccolo is just 4yrs older than Gohan, and Piccolo was big brothering Gohan the whole time in the wilderness instead of being a father to him. Piccolo has never been a father to Gohan at the first place so why the fuck people think that way lmao.

[@Tffoxfirefly18]

@@eetfuk3571it’s still Stockholm syndrome

[@Ultra4848]

"the dark arches" is HILARIOUS, imagine getting majin vegeta in your happy meal

[@Killakwabo]

AInt it ironic that people want to talk about Goku letting Cell fight with the Senzu bean yet forget that Goku prevented him from fighting Cell when he knew he would die

[@mraaronstewart1556]

Its mostly cause the abridged, and people take the abridged version too seriously. People be internalizing the abridged characters as actual ones. edit: also just realised, bro got 1.5 k subs lol, this is some 500k sub video quality ngl like the editing and comedy i know this channel gonna blow up lol

[@lapplandkun9273]

It's ridiculous. TFS fanboys are saying it's their true dub when TFS went out of their way to say its a parody and people should support the original show/manga by toriyama. Those people should stop.

[@RockStoneLee19]

​@@lapplandkun9273for real!!!

[@edelette6529]

Goku is not the literal best father ever but he's a pretty damn good one. He genuinely cares for his sons, spending a lot of time with Gohan and as much time as he can with Goten (for the literal day he was allowed back). He dies twice for Gohan (somehow thats abandoning his family????) like he chooses to stay dead because he believes being alive will continue to cause problems and suffering for his home and people. That's so upsetting. Also Goku is so supportive of both Gohan and Goten and always tries to boost them up to show his support. Not that Vegeta or Piccolo are bad or anything but I find it glaringly obvious that people have only either watched TFS or Super and that's why they think those two are "better father figures." Vegeta - who didn't care if his infant son died, didn't hold him for the first 8 years of his life, who only does the one good act before offing himself. And Piccolo - who tried to off Goku multiple times, kidnapped Gohan, screamed at and berated him, checked a four year old at a mountain, abandoned him in the wilderness... Like I love these characters but it's like everyone forgets all that other stuff...You know who is a great dad, no questions asked? Krillin.

[@ultimatevaltryek1235]

Goku's a good dad, people need to stop comparing him to people like Ging

[@TETANUS.]

Who would name their kid 'Ging' that's crazy.

[@alexdeghost2729]

8:53 Goten and Goku's moment is canon. Toriyama has gone out of his way to say that the anime and manga are canon to each other. Specifically now it's Kai that is canon to the original manga.

[@PrimeShiem]

Ah, so if the scene is shown in Kai, it's cannon, ok.

[@alexdeghost2729]

@@PrimeShiem Yup! And to add onto it, since Super is a direct continuation of Kai, and the fact that Toriyama has worked personally on the anime continuity of Super and said the Super manga is different, the anime version of Super is actually the canon version while the Super manga by Toyotaro is it's own continuity.

[@PokeHokage]

@PrimeShiem kind of hard to cut it out. It's still a canon scene from the Manga just added a few scenes on it. Cutting for the sake of manga canon would have made it choppy. There were other situations with Kai where cutting filler would fuck with the Manga canon too.

[@PrimeShiem]

After thinking of certain moments of the anime and the fact that Piccolo mentions the fact he never got his license, a reference to the best filler, yeah, I guess you're right.

[@vanesalodico7798]

So the kiss scene after Goku wakes up from the heart virus is canon.

[@scood3747]

Goku is a W father, I wish more people realized that

[@koammudo43]

I literally rewatched dragonball z and was like WTF are people talking about 😭hes a awesome dad

[@PrimeShiem]

Thank you! That's what I'm saying.

[@ArmadilloJohn]

People legit just watched dbz abridged and said "yeah that's canon goku now" because there's no way the slander would be as bad as it is without it.

[@PrimeShiem]

True, wouldn't be half as bad.

[@jebespolitiko]

The only shitty thing Goku did is that when he decided to stay dead he didn't once try to call and talk with the family wher he would find out another son was born. Communication through king Kai was simple. It was Goku's choice to never talk with his wife and son(a) for all those years.

[@notrandombeard9365]

I think abridged did the most damage to his reputation as a dad

[@ultimatederek1815]

Dude ever since I saw Dragon Ball I never saw Goku as a bad Father bell he’s far from that he’s not perfect but who is?? Goku is one of the best Fathers Gohan and Goten has ever had SO THANK YOUU FOR BEING THE SAIN PEOPLE WHO KNOWS THE TRITH INSTEAD THE WHOLE FOURSTAR PARODY BULLSHIT THAT I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT ITS THE REASON THEY THINK GOKU IS THE WORST

[@nezukokamado46]

Not to forget….PICCOLO KIDNAPPED GOHAN LIKE ON GOD

[@CuteRedPanda64]

THANK YOU!!! people keep slandering my boy for no reason with some scenes that shows he was an ok Dad. Not to mention team four star kinda did this to him.

[@PrimeShiem]

Yeah, he definitely don't deserve the bad rep people give em. I feel like TFS fanned the flames more then starting it themselves tho.

[@GogetaKai]

​​@@PrimeShiem i mean tfs did it all as a joke but the dbz fandom being the dbz fandom 🙃

[@GogetaKai]

@@PrimeShiem meh i dont like piccolo that much anyway tbf

[@carltontheduke2571]

⁠@@PrimeShiemAs a TFS fan myself, they’ve really run that “Goku is a bad father” gag into the ground.

[@PrimeShiem]

@@carltontheduke2571 with how much it comes up, yeah that's true

[@s1y22]

Its crazy how alot of people say that Goku is a bad dad but those are the same ones who didn't even WATCH Dragon Ball. Goku literally agreed with Chi-Chi that he should do his studies instead of going fishing with him and Krillin and they all were shocked. If that isn't an example, I dont know what is.

[@Kckjustinjr]

the reson he gave cell a sezu bean is- becuses- -gohan would have become to cockey to deffet cell then he would end up losing

[@marcelitox8146]

That 16 death edit man 😭

[@PrimeShiem]

It was one of the first things to come to mind😭😭

[@HypercomboProduction]

To defend Vegeta karate chopping Trunks, it was to prevent him from fighting Buu. Remember, Vegeta was going to blow up and the last thing he says to Trunks is "take care of your mother for me." Goten getting punched in the stomach on the other hand was personal.

[@PrimeShiem]

Yeah that's true

[@azzulbustillo]

preaaach i roll my eyes whenever someone says vegeta is a better dad than goku

[@DocumentarianWeady]

Even with Goku giving a Senzu Bean one- he did that so Cell got overly confident and just didn't take out Gohan right away due to his weakened state. This allowed for his plan to potentially work, knowing Cell could likely make Gohan tap into his hidden potential.

[@MagnusZero]

To this day, I still find it nonsensical that people hyperfocus so much on the main character's parenting skills in a "battle shonen," where none of that is even relevant. While Goku isn't winning any father of the year rewards, who actually cares? We're in a story where the emphasis is clearly on the values of strength, self-improvement, and defending the planet from aliens. The fact that something so simple as Goku being either dead or incapacitated for massive chunks of the story getting glossed over is wild. Not to mention how the dude was genuinely remorseful during his actual screw up (the senzu) and atoned for it. That's also part of the self-improvement theme, despite parenting not even being a focus. ...That's not to mention how this dude literally couldn't rest in peace after his 2nd death because his successors couldn't step up to the mantle (which is moreso an issue with the writing of the Buu arc than Goku himself). Ever since TFS (which I love btw), this only got more and more annoying over the years. When a literal recurring joke in a parody somehow validates a pre-existing flawed argument for people, that's when I knew it was time to give up on arguing with the "Goku bad dad" crowd. It's a waste of energy.

[@PrimeShiem]

Y'know, I genuinely think I couldn't have put that any better than you did. I never even stopped to think of the lack of significance Gokus parenting has on the story ever since it's been brought up. I also love TFS, and while the joke is great there, when people started to push it onto actual DBZ, it started to get annoying.

[@shadowmaskjs]

That sad thing is people says hes a bad father because of the cell games and hes better than some actual fathers hes better than vegeta you already explained the rest

[@iqd2072]

Ok, its actually big brained to give Cell a Sensu bean, if Cell was like 1 hp, he would kill Gohan. Because if hes confidant, he will go easy, take his time with his literal food like an animal. So the sensu bean would give confidence, and is controversial, but in a way its nice because Goku sees how powerful his son.

[@Wabbit804]

I’m not gonna lie, I paused when I heard ‘Vegeta is a better father than him’, bro literally never showed up to TRUNK’S BIRTH. Who would say that HE is the better dad?

[@PrimeShiem]

THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW VEGETA IS SEEN AS THE BETTER DAD

[@Wabbit804]

@@PrimeShiem Ngl, the only dub Vegeta gets from this video is that he looked like he regretted hitting Trunks, that’s all the charity he gets

[@geothepoly]

Flirting: Piccolo dropping Gohan into the wilderness to survive Harrassment: Goku giving Cell a Senzu Bean

[@screwoff45776]

5:31 fine, I will Goku damn well knew Gohan had the power to kill cell, but most likely thought that if cell was already injured like he was, Gohan might not have awakened ssj2

[@PrimeShiem]

Yea that is true, an injured Cell may have hurried things along to get back to fighting Goku.

[@screwoff45776]

@@PrimeShiem or try to blow up earth a lot earlier then he did

[@xkingxcj2015]

I just find it dumb that the anime community expects a guy with no education what’s so ever to be the best father in the world it’s crazy vegeta actually had a dad who cared for him Goku only had grandpa gohan for a few years

[@PrimeShiem]

Nah fr, and yet, one of them turned out to be the better father, and it wasn't Vegeta.

[@xkingxcj2015]

@@PrimeShiem that part lmaoo I’m more of a piccolo guy anyways 😂😂😂awesome vid bro keep it up

[@davizi6146]

Gonna keep it a stack, you have this KZbinr shit down to a T despite having this (relatively) few subs and views (especially on this video specifically). Please make more content like this

[@PrimeShiem]

Thank you! I'd love to, I had a lot of fun, and enjoyed how the video turned out, so I wouldn't mind!

[@Scarftheking]

When gohan fought cell twice he still won cause goku knew he could fight two cells.

[@tedscheett9420]

So there's this small channel, TeamFourStar, maybe you've heard of them. They've got a modest following of about... 4 million people, no big deal. And they have this niche series called Dragon Ball Z Abridged where they essentially make Goku the Homer Simpson of anime, which is to say, a dumbass bad father who couldn't care less about his son. Now, the Goku bad father debate could have started well before the series ever hit the internet, but it certainly fanned the flames. A lot of people have not truly watched Z. I'm one of them. There simply isn't a good reliable streaming service for it. So a lot of people may very well be getting their information from Abridged, which is, and I cannot stress this enough, a *PARODY.* I love TFS's work. It's great, funny, entertaining. But I know that some people struggle to make the distinction of what is parody and what is canon. And we cannot ignore that they play an integral role in this argument anymore.

[@FlameReaper97]

The prince of all saiyans? More like The prince of all foreheads and widows peaks.

[@NKtmk]

Hugeeeee W for listing the music in the description 🙏🏾

[@PrimeShiem]

Of course, staple of the channel!

[@user-te9ym5ky3iBagman2.0]

Goku = Good Dad

[@John-Svanlund]

I didn't even watch. I already know you're right.

[@Bufanda_Nocturna69]

I mean, Goku gave Cell a sentzu because the man is a fair fighter. Too much? Yeah, but it ain't the first time he does stuff like that; it was to be expected.

[@devinhaywire2]

2:13 Only one with common sense.

[@ApertureDragon]

You can argue that in Super when Zamasu and Goku Black said that after he switched bodies with him he killed Chi Chi and Goten after killing him and look at how pissed Goku got just from hearing that. Imagine what would have happened if he saw it happen in front of him. The sheer amount of anger that would explode would probably scare Beerus to his bones.

[@Sifi999]

Anything that goku is a bad dad people say can literally be countered by “he was fucking dead” or “goku is just stupid” And the cell bean thing? He just was so proud of his son he thought he could beat him again.

[@ulquiorracifer9083]

3:21 This scene always amazes me Wait a moment, isn't that the moment he uses burning attack that's a technique that uses two hands? whatever. 7:11 Simply lovely.

[@crimsontheidiotmangodangop8039]

Gohans and piccolo’s relationship is not son and dad it’s older brother and little brother

[@IceMannnnnnn]

been looking for this type video

[@SkooterBrother]

Gold being bad dad is like a meme that got out of control and now people think it’s actually true :D Great video by the way man, subscribed instantly. Really solid work!

[@PrimeShiem]

That'd a perfect way to put it, actually. And thank you so much!

[@dvontechappel1579]

To justify Vegeta only once cuz that’s all he can get: Vegeta loved his son enough to knock him out and have him taken away when he was gonna kill himself. because he didn’t want Trunks trying to stop him or see it happen. That is all for Vegeta wise being a parent.

[@PrimeShiem]

True, I'll give you that.

[@aozorahaou2643]

It's bad no matter how you defend it, but the only way to explain the senzu bean thing is Goku had too much faith in his son to get the job done, parents realistically good parents have these big expectations for their kids they have faith in them, just Goku's faith in Gohan was misplaced. It's not wrong, but Goku could've trusted Gohan's agency to tell him of the plan even though Gohan immediately knew.

[@PrimeShiem]

Yeah, that's why I ain't even bother to defend the Senzu Bean. I understood that Gohan was the only one who could best cell, but the Senzu Bean was extra

[@aozorahaou2643]

​@Prime Shiem Man, this dude Goku had the mentality of if Cell fought Gohan at his peak, it'll motivate him to release his full might XD

[@marvellux4654]

Senzu Bean thing was crazy but to Goku, that wasn't even a gamble. There was no doubt in his mind that Gohan was gonna lose. That was just a fact to him it was basically like playing a game going all in with a pair of tricked dice. There was nothing the other player could do to come out on top. At least, he thought so, but he realised his error and made up for it and tried to fix it like a good Dad

[@MrJomalley123]

Goku is an extremely better father than his own father Bardock only because Bardock was a pure blooded saiyan raised on vegeta and didn't really care about Goku because of his "pathetic" power level only till then did he receive the power to see the future that he realized his son was going to be more than just some low class warrior but one of the most powerful Saiyan's in the universe it changed bardock at the end of his life when he challenged frieza now skip ahead some decades and we have Goku raising his son gohan the way his grandfather did with love and care and fuck Goku is willing to die for his son if it means he'll be safe that honestly makes Goku an incredible dad in my book

[@Neuwey331]

Goku lacks qualities of being a great father, but he still a good father nonetheless. He's not the best father, but his love is true and genuine.

[@PrimeShiem]

I wholeheartedly agree. He ain't the best, but he's definitely a good father.

[@ryszakowy]

by xenoverse naming goten throwing a rock as "stone bullet" you can bet your sweet bippy that punch goku did in bojack movie would be a super attack and take half of health bar

[@c.clasher]

Tbh I don't really see Piccolo as Gohan's actual dad, I see him more like a stepfather even though he kidnapped him and was being a dick to him at times and was being cold to him

[@DaniG._.German]

The senzu bean was a desperate move. Goku learnt that humanity would die without him. Goku needed a successor. Remember, Cell has saiyan cells😂. When Gohan beats Cell after a zenkai boost, Goku knows he can die happy knowing his son, wife, friends, and home will be safe. Unfortunately, Gohan almost dies in the process, and Buu debunked Goku's theory.

[@legomania2427]

Hey man, I want you to know that I literally do not care about dragonball. But you made this video entertaining to a MegaMan and Transformers nerd. So good job!

[@PrimeShiem]

I'm really happy that you was able to enjoy the video even if your not a fan of Dragon Ball, and thanks for watching!

[@shirosatsuma4946]

why would you click on the video or watch it if you don't care about db

[@PrimeShiem]

@@shirosatsuma4946 he's a sub of mine, and I really appreciate it, as I usual make Mega Man, AND DBFZ videos

[@legomania2427]

@@shirosatsuma4946 if a content creator I like makes a video on something I’m not really interested in, I’ll still watch the video because I like the creator’s style and personality.

[@tatohayanami9156]

Mecha gente is fair

[@rossdavis428]

Thank you, Prime, for being willing to think outside of the Mainstream (Team4Star Abridged) Narrative that Goku is somehow a bad father. That nonsensical narrative needed to be obliterated from the Dragon Ball Community and you did FANTASTIC WORK at contributing to the cause. Well done, Dragon Ball Brother!

[@koffibentum7452]

Vegeta in the Cell Saga:Treats his son like yesterday's garbage Fans:He,'s a good dad Goku in the Cell Saga:Trains his son to be the strongest he can be, believes in his own son and he's more than willing to give up his own life for him Fans: What an awful father What kind of baloney logic is this

[@bryce_knight]

I literally subscribed bc of this also my only wish was u touched on Goku's interaction with Gohan in the Buu Saga but even without it 10/10 video

[@PrimeShiem]

Thank you! Also, I did plan on talking about that, with how they hugged in the manga, but it was just a quick embrace in the anime, as I found it weird.

[@bryce_knight]

@@PrimeShiem 1st see that's honestly fair and makes sense 2nd bro ur response time is faster than Jesus' respawn time 😂😂

[@PrimeShiem]

@@bryce_knight yeah, I respond pretty quickly given the chance😂

[@bryce_knight]

@@PrimeShiem i have great respect for u

[@PrimeShiem]

@@bryce_knight thank you.

[@SMCwasTaken]

The amount of Vegeta meatriders is insane 💀💀💀

[@PrimeShiem]

Nah it really is💀 like ain't no way.

[@carlenesinclair404]

Your acting like you guys dont Beatrice goku

[@carlenesinclair404]

You act like you guys dont meatride goku either

[@legendarytronic7774]

I know goku isn't the best father but people need to stop saying hes a bad one. There are much worse anime fathers trust me.

[@PrimeShiem]

Woo, I got Fullmetal Alchemist on the mind now.

[@legendarytronic7774]

@@PrimeShiem Ha

[@dannylopez5976]

Vegeta nearly lets wife and son die to andriod 20. Doesn't hug son for 7 years since his birth. Risks life of his family and becomes majin to fight Goku. Such a good dad.

[@Candidatescales]

Bro died for his son twice

[@xperiodic]

I will say in vegeta defense, i think it was suprise that caused him to punch back and getting caught up in it, even he looks shocked he fought back

[@PrimeShiem]

That's fair.

[@TheSuperGoober]

8:53 it *is* canon though, it's canon to the Anime only, but it's still canon

[@Arichson]

3:56 I like this, as it makes sense and adds some realism, of course Goku would throw a punch as his first act when trying to halt someone going at a high speed, he has had a ton of fast paced battles so far. It’s only natural the instincts of his highly conditioned body would react to this like they would in combat, It also makes him a Realistic dad, as if you saw your son attempting to rush towards his death wouldn’t any DECENT human being get mad at their son making that stupid of a decision from the father’s perspective? The fact he apologizes afterwards is also really good, because it shows that he is able to push his pride aside and admit when he’s in the wrong

[@polybent9748]

Saying Goku’s a bad dad is like the new Mario gets high on mushrooms joke

[@waterh2o299]

Goku is a good Dad in Z Vegeta is a bad Dad in Z Goku is a bad Dad in Super( tbh he doesn't get the chance too) Vegeta is a good Dad in Super

[@ButterBeerChugger]

Love how it took his son getting an ass whopping for Goku to see that he fucked up

[@PrimeShiem]

Yeah, there was no defending him on that one.

[@Ezzese455]

Lil bro had to get THE ass whopping of his life for Goku to realize his goofy ass fucked up 💀

[@DarkDraconX1]

Always love hearing Megaman Legends in the background 1:55

[@ian09dbz]

istg everyone calling goku a bad dad aint watched the show and only watched tfs and the memes

[@curtoonstudios3809]

You forgot the part where Vegeta was the one who let cell reach his perfect form.

[@PrimeShiem]

TRUEEEEEE

[@ojpickle5923]

Wild how everyone casually walks over the fact goku willingly didn't see his 5 year old son for a year just to train on yardrat when he could have at least gone to Earth first and then brought gohan back with him so thag they could traun together. He had options but he chose literal child abandonment for like a year lmao

[@PrimeShiem]

That's true, he did just stay on Yardrat, he likely had good intentions, but like some other things in the video, I ain't tryna make him look perfect.

[@littleaqua32]

His intentions were trying to control the super saiyan transformation’s power and the rage that comes with it so he wouldn’t accidentally lose it and hurt his friends and family. Him staying away for a year must’ve meant the training to master himself in his supersaiyan state must have been extremely challenging for him.

[@zero-pl3tt]

To be fair, him staying on yardrat and learning instant transmission has been consistently proven to be one of the smartest moves he ever made lol.

[@PrimeShiem]

Now that I think of it, if I got so angry, I became a threat to my own son, when he did nothing wrong, I'd take some time to sort out my form as well.

[@Necroverse19]

So we're pretending like his ship didn't need to be repaired before he could leave? You're reaching, my guy.

[@whatt57]

Blame team four star for deadbeat goku memes

[@staticplays1871]

Also people are forgetting that Goku is not human. it's like Shrek in the case where he is new to being a parent and their nature of who they are come into conflict with that. hell, kid Vegeta did not even care about his dad's approval as far as I'm concerned. and king Vegeta did not care about he own son, only his power level. and you could argue if planet Vegeta was never blown up then. prince Vegeta being a powerful king would be important. with the only real hypothetical threat being a teen or adult Broly.

[@MexicanSuperman]

Goku giving Cell a senzu bean was him believing in his son like a Good father and he was right.

[@simon-peterwilliamson2412]

One thing people NEVER talk about is that whethere or not you agree with goku's plan. Once goku realizes he was wrong about gohan's personality.(an honest father mistake) he immediately requested a senzu bean and was gonnna save his son completely ignoring that he was not strong enough to cell. He was fully gonna step back into the ring and fight a losing battle once he realized he hurt his son and was going to defend him.

[@no.12papangkornkaewklad27]

Goku can't spend his time with gohan because he's FUCKING DEAD (and saving gohan's life) People needs to understand that.

[@attackontitanbeautytheking2725]

5:26 I'm defending Goku. 1. Goku had that much faith in Gohan 2. It was a way to break Cell. As a martial artist mentally and physically. Because once Gohan unlocked his power Cell was terrified even with his power at max. 3. Goku knew Cell wouldnt kill Gohan and would what it took to draw out his power

[@DaKrimzonEmpire89]

For the last time Goku gave Cell the senzu bean to show Cell that even at 100% when Gohan gets serious Cell at his best doesn't stand a chance

[@PrimeShiem]

If you're saying "for the last time," I'm assuming you mean this will be the last time I get this comment since this is your first comment on my channel. Sadly, this ain't gonna be the last one.

[@sougotokiwa8439]

Goku is SUPER!