The Biggest Lie Told About Goku.

[@TheMaskedMan]

There is no way y’all are going to say him DYING TWICE FOR HIS SON is the “bare minimum.” Get outta here😂

[@JDWalker495]

Jeez, I guess that makes coming from the afterlife to save him, a decent job

[@7thebomb]

Put some respect on Goku 😤

[@kukilenjalal8797]

Pls read Zomgam

[@SamTheGumMan117]

Any parent should and would do this how is that a new concept?

[@SamTheGumMan117]

@DragoDMyth Death means little to nothing in DB as a whole anyways. There are some moments where it leaves an impact, but coming back and back constantly is too redundant

[@NasuPrime]

A single bean has done more damage to this man’s reputation that any villain who’s managed to kill him

[@guyWSonicpicture]

That bean the best villain fr fr

[@strange4993]

yeah but that beam was SPECIAL.

[@joshcooper467]

​@@strange4993 indeed it is. But so was the BEAN that Goku tossed to Cell.

[@anounimousyesispeltitwrong759]

I see it as a parent wanting his child to face a difficult challenge and over come it on their own

[@vemvir01]

Moro

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

Goku’s taught Gohan and Goten to live off the land. They know how to hunt, fish, swim, and use plants to create medicinal herbs. He’s not a traditional dad, but considering he’s lived almost all of his life in the wilderness, I’d say he’s passed on quite a lot to his kids.

[@FourteenthAngel]

Yeah they know how to defend themselves if anything else. Then again I would never call Goku a bad father either.

[@joshuamccormack9240]

I mean Goku didn't teach Goten but Gohan taught Goten what Goku taught him

[@dakai-kun2248]

@@joshuamccormack9240 gohan learned how to survive and fight from piccolo not goku

[@dwaynejpeterkin]

@@dakai-kun2248yet piccolo punched gohan, and threw him To a mountain

[@zenin_failure]

That was piccolo who taught him not goku for goten, goku was dead lol

[@historicflame972]

He was not a dead beat, he was just dead Honestly the greatest line ever uttered

[@lapplandkun9273]

There's people who say King Vegeta and even Bardock is better than him. I lost brain cells at people thinking Vegeta's own dad is a good parent when he fucking disowned Tarble and only kept vegeta because he inherited his high level of power, and original Bardock was a fucking prick. His regret not hugging goku doesn't redeem him. DBS bardock wasn't even there for goku's birth either. He's much better than his original Z incarnation tbh, but compared to goku, goku still is a better parent

[@editsMrRushh]

@@lapplandkun9273exactly

[@brysonwilliams7133]

@@lapplandkun9273to be fair tho bardock barley got the chance to be a parent not defending him(I am a lil but I fw bardock) but you gotta admit he didn’t have time to be a father fr

[@DeathKnight5608]

⁠​⁠@@brysonwilliams7133 After completing a mission, Fasha/Seripa makes the suggestion for Bardock to go visit Goku on Planet Vegeta, and Bardock says “To see the lowest-class warrior without any promise at all? What kind of fool would make that trip?”

[@FollowerofChristSpidey]

​@brysonwilliams7133 Well depends what version or Bardock. If you are talking about super bardock, he seems like if he got the chance would've been a good father, but z bardock kinda sucked ngl. But he's cool.

[@downd.stairs8313]

Goku staying on Yardrat and learning Instant Transmission has been proven countless times to have been a good Idea.

[@ghoulchan7525]

That skill is Goat. And it makes sense he felt the need to learn that skill too. Because prior he usually got to places late. Almost too late. Boom instant transmission solves that problem.

[@johnanimelord]

That's gotta be one of the most useful techniques in the show only less important than flight and sensing key

[@cudo8248]

@@johnanimelord i mean he gotta sense ki to actually teleport to somebody but i get ur point

[@Chronoflation]

Yeah, his only arguably bad dad moment really was choosing to take the spacecraft home instead of using Instant Transmission, but he probably just spent the whole flight trying to think of a way to apologize to Chi-Chi, lol

[@observantbuddy]

@@Chronoflation if you're talking about why he didn't teleport when mecha frieza showed up it's cuz he felt Future Trunks' energy and knew everything would be alright. In the future timeline, what youre saying he should've done is what he did and would've done in the main timeline too

[@onyx6774]

i always took this as a joke but recently i started to realise people actually think he is a bad father, like bruh

[@CapGodSama]

Fr the people who perpetuate this narrative are people who ain't watched the show or people with horrible reading comprehension because there's no way you can sit through dbz and say goku is a bad dad (I'm disregarding super as it has its own problems with goku's character but for dbz no way goku is a bad dad)

[@JDWalker495]

Exactly, and you don’t see anyone badmouthing Monkey d dragon or Touji zenin for literally abandoning their kids

[@CapGodSama]

@@JDWalker495 with dragon it's kind of nuanced because dragon witnessed the craziness the world government went through to find the child of gold roger so him the most wanted man would put luffy's life in jeopardy if the wg caught wind of dragon having a kid but I hear u tho

[@projectmessiah]

​@@CapGodSama I would argue Goku is a better father in Dbs to be fair even though he isn't around for Goten as much.

[@JDWalker495]

@@SolidSnake240 doesn’t really help his case that much since basically just gave up. Same as will’s dad from fresh Prince of bel air If anyone could escape fromthat lifestyle to live normally it’s Touji. Dude’s basically a ghost in the jujutsu world, hell his epithet is “the invisible man”

[@moonlightmando7163]

Gohan describing Goku as an Angel to Goten says everything about how good of a parent goku is.

[@godzillagurus576]

Dragon Ball fans: gOkU iS a bAd FaThER Gohan and Goten: say that to our dad again or else we’ll kamehameha your asses

[@nezukokamado46]

@@godzillagurus576EXACTLY gohan is quite literally like “IM MY FATHERS SOOOOOOON” as he went super saiyan in bojack like goku

[@godzillagurus576]

@@nezukokamado46 dont forget gohan wanted to wear goku’s gi in buu saga to honor him before fighting to super buu.

[@JDWalker495]

Goku wasn’t perfect, but he was far better than most. He was present in gohan’s life, supported his endeavors and even sacrificed himself to save him, multiple times. He even came back from the afterlife to save his life. The main point of contention is the cell senzu bean thing, but goku’s whole arc was realizing that someone would need to replace him eventually. He trained gohan himself for a year and even saw him go super saiyan, if anyone knew Gohan’s ability to beat cell, it was GOKU

[@xvingar6318]

The thing is about the senzu bean act is that Gohan literally wanted to train with Goku. I wouldn’t say Goku forced him as well as Goku wasn’t fully sure if Gohan’s potential worked in that way or not till witnessing his progress in HTC. Now, you can say Gohan trained with Goku because of Piccolo’s statements mentioning that Gohan wanted to spend time with Goku. Which is fine but if he wanted to just “spend time” why did he seem all surprised when Goku picked him like he didn’t just train with his father for a whole year in another dimension? Well I think there’s a big misunderstanding in Gohan’s character. Firstly, the HTC training. Gohan talks about being useless and being a side character though always need to be saved while being the son of the main character. He realizes how horrible that is so he goes super saiyan for the first time. Why is this important? It shows Gohan’s reasoning for fighting even though he doesn’t have the desire to. Gohan wasn’t shocked at the task itself he was shocked he was chosen by his father for the task. Cell literally being the strongest warrior the earth has ever seen is to be defeated by a mere child? How? Exactly what gohan was thinking but he then reveals he knew why Goku picked him. Goku picked him because he trusted Gohan with the task due to belief in his power, before even piccolo would trust Gohan’s strength and he would fail them but now he has a chance to prove himself to not everyone but to himself. So what Goku did was actually a good thing for both sides, it was just very risky like piccolo stated. You shouldn’t just send your son out there to possibly get killed with no second thought

[@YardonTCF]

@@xvingar6318 I mean it made sense though, at the end of the day Gohan was the strongest by far. It wasn't without a second thought either, Carthu's Dojo explained it way better than I can but Goku knew the risk but it was the best shot they had at beating Cell. I can't even say plot armor would've saved Goku because majority of the time the Plot Armor is given to the villains in the DB verse.

[@chavaspada]

I pity the childhood and family life of anyone saying Goku is "far better than most".

[@mohamedkamara7701]

@@xvingar6318 not true gohan went with train becuse h e thought his dad need help to beat cell He only accepts he had to fight cell after 16 death

[@Necroverse19]

​@@chavaspada Pity yourself.

[@timelink8633]

Everyone forgets that Goku was with Gohan from his birth till Raditz fight,not to mention the 2 years before Android 19 and 20 arrival, there's also the training and the days before the cell games and to top it all off Goku always supported Gohan on his goals and beliefs

[@mist0804]

There's 3, actually. They trained 3 years for 19 and 20.

[@EJones-dk8xc]

Bruh Goku wasn't even there for Gohan's birth, but go off

[@guess6635]

​@@EJones-dk8xcHe actually was since he was doing nothing else but living with Chichi and Gohan for the first Four years of Gohan's life to where he comfortably knew him as his father. Ironically enough which no one ever ever talks about, during the Five Years in between Dragonball and Dragonball Z.... Goku basically retired from Fighting since he was already the World Martial arts Champion, Piccolo was still out there but not causing any trouble and they both had their eyes on each other from afar... which is why when Radtiz confronted them separately they both initially assumed Radtiz was either Goku or Piccolo. Roshi mentioned that Goku was "still strong" like he was during the 23rd tournament but he didn't get exceptionally stronger during those Five Years. He still trained and kept up with his moves but he also told Piccolo he doesn't have any new moves etc with Piccolo saying that he's been slacking. As far as we truly know, those Five Years in between Dragonball and Z was the only time Goku truly pretty much put a pause on his overall training... and was really just spending his days and time with Chichi and Gohan as a Husband and Father. No one ever brings up that time period when they're bashing him for doing the opposite.

[@vg-_-universal8283]

@@EJones-dk8xc I’m pretty sure that was filler and he was

[@22kingdomheartsfan]

@@vg-_-universal8283 Lots of the filler was made and approved by Toriyama

[@redoseights3232]

Goku is literally the John Cena of shonen anime. No matter how much a positive influence he had for the kids and adults as well, there are others that just don’t appreciate him as much as other characters.

[@ashyflame]

I think ash ketchum fits that bill as well

[@rko2016]

goku would never sell out to a country that kills and tortures their own people

[@liveandlearn4445]

Facts!

[@liveandlearn4445]

​@@ashyflamefacts!

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

Faaacts❤❤

[@ceros4726]

People also tend to forget that Goku and Gohan spend a whole year in the timechamber together, he even had to give the kid a haircut. You can't tell me that goku never spend any quality time with his son when the dude spend a whole year with him doing nothing but training 24/7 and being completely postive and supportive throughout all of that. Hell they even went fishing afterwards

[@J0YB0Y88]

Goku should have given Gohan the fade tho 😂😂

[@kailowrez5126]

3 years training in the android saga

[@alexrobinet7576]

And the birthday party when they got out.

[@yashaoftheflames8475]

people also forget that he spent the first four years of gohan life with him before the saiyans attacked

[@thecringekid1929]

Plus between the db and dbz time skip goku was a stay at home dad who forgone going on adventured to get stronger. He helped raised his kid and enjoy spending time with his loving family. If it wasn’t for the plot Goku would’ve probably spent the rest of his life doing that.

[@NinthShinigami]

When I picture a bad father in anime and manga, Shou Tucker from Fullmetal Alchemist comes first to my mind. Goku ain’t a perfect father but he’s far from a bad one. He’s even better than Ging Freeces in that aspect, since Ging wasn’t too busy being dead…

[@angelgomez7081]

Literally

[@purerage7963]

Ging also asked his friend to play a killing game with his son to see if he's "worth it". Wouldn't even visit him while in a coma. Even then, Ging isn't necessarily a terrible person to Gon. He was an awful father until they met, and they connected pretty quickly. Ging and Goku are interesting characters just because they're not the most noble parents but they're also not dumb and have reasons for their actions.

[@NinthShinigami]

@@purerage7963 Yee I agree

[@Rosso4654]

​@@purerage7963 They talked once in the entire series that's it. My man he is not a good dad.

[@mray4784]

@@purerage7963 He's a bad father and that's enough to be a bad person.

[@emperorzizen1081]

I also want to point to a scene in the Buu Saga. Once Gohan’s off to fight Buu after obtaining his ultimate form, Goku has a chat with him. He tells Gohan he’s proud of him and the man he’s become, and basically apologizes for missing out on having a little more father son time along with not being able to fully see that man come to fruition. Even Gohan looks to Kobochi and asks him to change his Gi to match Goku’s because Gohan has that much respect for him. Hell, he described Goku as an angel who only brings love and joy to the people around him. Where did this notion of Goku being a terrible father come from? It ain’t from the bean because that’s just Goku’s kind and fair nature with NOTHING to do with being a bad or good dad. Is it Goku letting Gohan get the shit beaten out of him? So Goku and Vegeta can go through hell to unleash their power but when Gohan goes through it it makes Goku a bad dad? Seriously? the only reasonable counter argument is Piccolo sympathizing with Gohan by telling Goku he’s just a kid and a scared little boy. I know Picoclo has gone through significant character development but he’s none excusable when he sent Gohan to fend off giant dinosaurs by himself. And when Goku’s plan almost backfires and Cell unleashed his minions, Goku apologies for the mistake he made. He knows when he fucks up.

[@theoneandonlymsg991]

I'd say TFS were the ones that brought on this notion that Goku was not the best father. While the show itself was fine and had many good moments of writing as well as the comedy. There notion of writing Goku as not the best father essentially made it kind of a meme at that point. And so it kinda just stuck from what I can understand.

[@user-ts9rm9ce3h]

Piccolo was always around during Gohan's training to make sure he didn't accidentally get killed. Piccolo also stood in front of a Ki blast to protect Gohan which ended with him dying and going to King Kai's planet. After defeating Freza. Piccolo chose to stay on earth to look after Gohan even though he could've left with the namekians. During the cell games Piccolo had to literally tell Goku to his face that his plan wasn't going to work because Gohan was gentle in nature. If you look at the dichotomy. Initially Piccolo was also counting on Gohan's hidden potential to fight off Vegeta and Nappa, yet unlike goku he had more insight into who Gohan was as a person and recognize it wasn't going to work without anyone having to tell him to his face like Goku. The narrative that Goku was a bad father came from the fact that he didn't really raise his kids... After the cell games Goku chose to remain dead despite Gohan saying he still needed him because Goku believed he was the reason for all the bad things happening (Piccolo chose to stay.) After beating Buu Goku chose to go live in the desert with Uub completely abandoning his family... Dude's living the life of a single man when he's got a family. That's why he's a bad dad....

[@Dave-gk6si]

Goku doesn’t say he’s sorry for not being around when Gohan leaves to fight Buu. He says he wished he stayed with Gohan cause he wanted to see him grow. But he didn’t want to put earth in danger.

[@emperorzizen1081]

@@Dave-gk6si arguably the same thing but you have a good point

[@Dave-gk6si]

@@emperorzizen1081 That’s just funimation changing dialogues.

[@narutokiubissj2]

When Gohan could have easily killed Cell and his hubris got the better of him, Goku payed for his mistake with a smile on his face trusting him to take care of his mother and the planet

[@nani4249]

My only problem with him staying dead was his reasoning, his motive should have been Gohan has a new perspective he's younger and smarter than any z fighters. Goku should have stated that his personality naturally morphs people to replicate him which isn't false, and how being around a father who cares about fighting affects his friends and family. Goku was leader of the group and decided to not go after gero which lead to perfect cell being created that should have been a focus. I think Gohan should have brought up stopping gero instead of Bulma and bring all these solutions to stop conflict from the beginning but oncd Goku mentions not hunting gero gohan should have dropped it immediately. Gohan focus of intelligence and stopping fighting before it happens should have been center, gohans strength should have been a sub factor with Gohan IQ, logical reasoning and his leadership be what stands out rather than just his potential. Gohan only acted savagely after having been out under stress by Goku to be better, Goku should have reflected on this and say that it'll be better if he wasn't around because he drops the iq of the whole planet basically instead of simply attracting bad guys.

[@blksmagma]

​@@nani4249 "Goku was the leader of the group" excuse me what? Goku is a country bumpkin that just likes fighting. The man has displayed almost no leadership qualities nor has he actually led a team. Also, remember, before Z started nobody thought The Red ribbon army still existed. Goku didn't even know who Gero was before Trunks told him. Goku wanted to stay dead because he felt like his presence on earth caused nothing but trouble. And guess what happened on the day he comes back to see his family the same way his grandfather came back to see him? The Buu saga. I called him a country bumpkin earlier, but the man has a really good instincts.

[@Fridge_Fiend]

"Take care of your mother and soon to be baby brother my 11 year old son who needs all the trauma councling in the world after what I put you through but I won't be there for you as you need to learn to grow up and they have a really cool tournament in other world, I think I could even become a super d duper Saiyan"

[@TheLastInferno]

​@blksmagma Goku has displayed no leadership qualities? Literally all he does is lead. You're lost.

[@nani4249]

@@blksmagma the Buu arc was going to happen without Goku being there, Beerus would show up regardless, Frieza would be revived and return to earth regardless of Goku had stayed dead or not, Goku black would be replaced with probably Vegeta or something but the arc would happen, the tournament of power wouldn't happen but the groups adventure would stop in the moro arc, either way these threats are coming to earth without Goku being there so why not be just a another guardian, if he really cared about the people of earth and putting them endanger he should learn to control is confidence, his carefree attitude and his addiction to combat.

[@arjundubey7694]

Gohan describes his dad as an angel to goten. That alone tells me everything about goku parenting

[@Ragnaracc]

He also lets chichi lock herself in his closet with his daughter when she isn't getting her way. In a rational world Gohan woulda put his foot down and kicked Chichi's ass to the curb. But no he laughs it off. Him treating Goku like a saint is well within his character regardless off the facts. *Gestures to the one who kidnapped him for a year*

[@chavaspada]

@Shin GT proves you wrong though.

[@Xeno574]

​@@chavaspada How? Piccolo died? Is that why he's better all of a sudden?

[@chavaspada]

@@Xeno574 He says "Goodbye, son" but you probably watched the cucked FUNimation dub where he says "Goodbye, friend".

[@Xeno574]

@@chavaspada I have not seen GT in ages

[@mr_0n10n5]

I think Goku seems like a bad dad not by choice, but by circumstances. In a normal world, he'd be a great dad. And given how crazy their world is, he did a good job

[@knightpg3d162]

Agreed

[@goldenapplesaga5446]

That's a pretty fair assessment

[@LegendaryCaptain]

True for example on Goku's first death he immediately wanted to be brought back to life but unfortunately due to the saiyans he had to train that year

[@odd-eyes6363]

Ironically, Goku sacrificed himself twice for his son and Vegeta, who's considered the best dad in the series, caused the death of his son twice. First by allowing Semi-Perfect Cell to walk and the second time by going Majin and stalling Goku which eventually led to kid Trunks' destruction alongside the rest of the planet at the end of the series

[@umbra_the_wolf5874]

Finally someone knows this

[@ays8975]

This is an even better point

[@kensei5068]

If Goku really wanted to he could’ve ended the fight by going ssj3 and defeating vegeta but he chose not to because he had respect for him. Both were at fault here

[@AdrianGonzalez-sh7qm]

@@kensei5068 if he used super saiyan 3 at that time he would’ve used all of his time on earth. He was trying to use his time sparingly

[@Fridge_Fiend]

Goku sacrificed himself to protect the planet and he was gonna die anyway so it was more of a kamikaze than a true sacrifice Vegeta made it very clear when he sacrificed himself it was for his wife and kid and it was a true sacrifice as there were way more options at that point, he wanted to make up for his sins which his family made him realize Everyone talks about Goku been a bad father to Gohan, he shouldn't even be called a father to Goten. While Vegeta was training and hanging out with his son Trunks, Goku didn't see his son until he was 7 and then just f*cks off training on beeruses planet like very shortly after. Goten barely knows the guy. Just seriously imagine you're either Goten or Trunks. Which childhood would you rather have? Which father would you want? I know who I'd want. F*ck Bulma and Getes are better parents than my real ones.

[@georgedeng8646]

Never heard this man with this much emotions in his videos.

[@merrymonkey5172]

I love the rage, my man is serving justice.

[@mashonem]

He’s had enough 🤣

[@fictionawsome12]

I mean the narrative was always ridiculous to begin with and worse when people took it seriously

[@Player_Redacted]

@@fictionawsome12 I feel like the narrative got popularized in DBZA, which worked well there since it was, you know, a comedy parody. For some reason it got memed so much that people started to actually believe it though.

[@fictionawsome12]

@@Player_Redacted so disgusting imo lol

[@familyguysofunny1933]

The thing about the cell scene is that Goku fully admits his mistake. We truly see that Goku has that "Oh shit. I fucked up badly" face and it stems from him being too confident in his son and forgetting that Goku and Gohan's childhoods were vastly different

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

​@xana7617uh no they weren't dude. Gohan was forced to be a child soldier the majority of his life despite hating fighting. Goku did what he did of his own free will.

[@nezukokamado46]

@xana7617shiiit you right and that one point I love goku when he went ssj for the first time said “GO NOW BEFORE I LOSE WHAT LITTLE REASON I HAVE LEFT” cause he knew if he snapped fully….he might try to attack his own son and that’s the last thing he’d want to do…intentionally hurt his kid

[@JDWalker495]

Part of this mentality might come from DBZA, the guys from team four star did excellent work with the series, but I think they did their job too well. To the point that people forgot it was a PARODY

[@s3studios597]

Funny thing is even TFS finds it annoying.

[@thefirstprime0124]

​@s3studios597 yea they did say that didn't they that they are tired of the goku being a bad dad joke

[@dwaynejpeterkin]

@@thefirstprime0124they should of written goku better instead of making him a fool 😡

[@magatsudreemurr7717]

​@@dwaynejpeterkin Goku is somewhat of a battle hungry fool because of the fall when he was young and his blood. I like the TFS more than normal dbz.

[@dwaynejpeterkin]

@@magatsudreemurr7717 he’s in for a good challenge however he also fights for his friends and family to make sure they are safe if he was battle hungry he would of joined raditz he fought for what he believed in

[@chronosite]

As much as people say he's a bad father We'll never have a dad as supportive as he is He never insulted Gohan for wanting to stop fighting and becoming a scholar Heck on the Cell saga he always said to Gohan to believe in himself since Gohan really have low self-esteem Love the video

[@joshtheryuk]

I remember watching the DBZ anime as a kid and thinking "Man, Goku is an awesome, caring dad". I never once thought of him being a bad dad. I think the TFS meme did more damage than good. Outside of giving Cell the senzu, every other instance of him being a deadbeat is completely excusable.

[@bensell982]

Hell we can't even call him a dead beat. In Super and the Special Yo Son Goku and his Friends Return (yes that's canon, it was written by Akira Toriyama and it's referenced in Super shut up), he's shown being a farmer. Working to earn money and support his family.

[@sakuraneko606]

The only bad thing he did was not teaching Gohan to just finish the job. If you don't remember, cell had no chance against Gohan, Gohan kept toying around with him until he lost it and decided to self-destruct.

[@joshtheryuk]

@@sakuraneko606 Goku never finished his opponents either tho... Only opponent he killed without mercy was Tambourine... (or was it Drum?)

[@bensell982]

@@joshtheryuk both also King Piccolo. Goku in og Dragon Ball has a massive massive kill count. The perception that he doesn't kill is from people who've only watched Z.

[@joshtheryuk]

@@bensell982 It's implied Kami taught him how to be kind and merciful. After all it's in a Saiyan genes to be violent.

[@vishaalmalolan4428]

Goku sacrificed his life to save Gohan in the starting of z also trained and trusted him to save the world he might not be the best but far from a bad one

[@nani4249]

He sacrificed his life to save everyone on earth and why shouldn't he, he granteed to get revived in the end, dying himself gives piccolo a higher chance of survival leading to the dragon balls still being around. A real sacrifice in dragon ball is bardock saving his son with no way to see him, no way to get revived and he's probably in hell so even after his death he can't see the man his son grew up to be.

[@TheBleedingEdge]

Finally someone gets it thank you Goku being a bad father was usually a meme but ppl be taking it literally now

[@JustADemon2023]

Even in DBS (anime), Goku is a pretty good father and his sons don’t have many bad things to say about him. Gohan allowed Goku to go to his wedding, Gohan defended Goku’s desire to train with Whis against Chi-Chi’s desire for normality in an abnormal world that’s constantly in danger, Goku would hang out with Gohan and his own family just to chill, Goku would take up farming to pay for his family’s needs, Goku respects Gohan’s desire to be a scholar over just forcing him to train, Goku almost dies to Hit and both Gohan & Goten are very visibly concerned for their father’s wellbeing, Goku after rivaling himself asks Gohan if it’s ok for him to chase after Hit, Goku tells Gohan about the Tournament of Power and trusted him to keep it a secret so everyone wouldn’t possibly freak out, Goku honors his son’s request to take him seriously once he does train, Goku makes Gohan the leader of the Universe 7 team, Gohan defends Goku against other fighters after his battle with Jiren weakened him and Gohan & Goten always calls Goku “father” instead of seeing him as a bastard who’s never around for them.

[@solarixstar]

Not to mention even Pan loves him! Flying around with her making sure she doesn’t die and keeping her engaged. He’s a good father and a great grandpa too!

[@galientl4723]

We ignoring when Goku was confused why Vegeta would be willing to skip out on training to watch the birth of his daughter?

[@JustADemon2023]

@@galientl4723 I’ll admit that it was definitely a weird thing to see, but it was less about basic training and more about getting Vegeta involved in the TOP. Goku saying that he wasn’t around for his sons births and Vegeta calling Goku a bad father is definitely a Toriyama moment that contradicts certain details. Goku wasn’t around for the birth of Goten since he was dead (free pass) and Goku lived with Chi-Chi during the time of Gohan’s birth, so even if her father was around and Goku wasn’t, I doubt Chi-Chi wouldn’t have been happy with Goku’s absence for such an event and would have explained the importance of it back then. Even if what was said was true, Vegeta wasn’t around for Trunks’ birth, so it’s not like he could judge Goku here. I just think it was one of those moments where Toriyama wanted Goku to look as bad as he claimed, but since the guy needed to do research on his own series to understand it to some unknown degree, it’s hard to take his words seriously if they contradict certain details of his own series. Goku was around when they (Goku, Chi-Chi & Ox King) were trying to figure out Gohan’s name in the anime, so he’d be around for that, but not the birth of his own son? It doesn’t seem logical especially when Goku never trained Gohan during those 5 years before Z started and Goku is practically addicted to training.

[@galientl4723]

@@JustADemon2023 Vegeta was still a bad person when Trunks was bad. Goku was never evil nor adhered to Saiyen cultural norms so he doesn’t have an excuse. The fact he couldn’t even comprehend why that would be something worth skipping training for days enough about Goku’s mentality. Chichi shouldn’t have to strong arm him into it. Talking about Super not Z, I don’t think Z Goku was bad.

[@JustADemon2023]

@@galientl4723 That doesn’t really matter. In the real world, if someone committed a crime, improved themselves and called someone else out for doing something similar, wouldn’t that be considered hypocritical? Vegeta was a horrible father, even if he’s changed, he almost let Bulma and Baby Trunks die just so he could go after Dr. Gero. This just means that if Bulma died at that point, she was replaceable. I only mention Z because it’s connected to Super and many things in Z are relevant to the discussion. As for Goku, it just doesn’t make sense for him to not be present for Gohan’s birth since that could have effected the beginning of Z. If Goku went to visit Bulma, Krillin or Roshi while Chi-Chi was in labor, then they would have known about the kid sooner, but they didn’t even know about Gohan’s existence until he was 5 years old (if Goku ran somewhere else, I can’t think of anywhere Goku could go at this time). What I’m saying is now that Toriyama can write Goku how he wanted in Super, so he tried making him a “bad father” even if it contradicts who Goku is. Chi-Chi is also important here. Why would she want another child after that horrible experience? If Goku’s that uncaring in Super, why would she go through that again if he learned nothing?

[@mutenroshi2950]

Give this man the respect he deserves.

[@TheSoyestToEverSoy]

I think Goku is a good father. He just lives in a world that can get really serious and traumatic, and sometimes he just forgets his son is just a kid and can't be there all the time, but, when he is, he is so kind and forgiving.

[@Ash_Wen-li]

It's wild that people say Goku is a bad father when Vegeta exists in the same series

[@Esteban-nk3nm]

Then some will say Vegeta is a better father? Need I remind in early z he could care less what happened to Bulma or baby Trunks and only just tormented future Trunks, I didn't sense any fatherly energy radiate off him till Super/gt really, there is the Buu saga, but it seems it just his ego or pride that Trunks could be stronger than Kakarots child

[@emperortoho]

vegeta only becomes a good father in super so you aren’t wrong

[@kanyenorth2605]

​@@emperortohonit to mention he had murderous intent bc his child was stronger than him I'm talking abt kid trunks

[@trentbell8276]

And Piccolo, ironically enough.

[@bignewsmorgans93]

DBS Vegeta was prepared to miss the entire Tournament of Power just to support his wife while she was pregnant. Can you imagine Goku ever doing that? Vegeta was a huge asshole for most of the series, but he grew and improved, and by the time DBS came around, he was genuinely a good father and husband.

[@krimsonkatt]

Goku is an absent father, yes, but he's not a BAD father. He literally died twice protecting his family. He wasn't around BECAUSE HE WAS LITERALLY DEAD.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Because he chose not to come back because hurr durr I attract bad guys and totally not because there aren't strong guys in the after life.

[@sonicbenchino.6324]

First, bro needs special perms to get brung back to life and has a time limit, and he is dead still, second after dying in the cell saga, you lost a realy important information, wich is told 102491204 times, You can't revive twice with the dragonballs, if you tell someone to revive but bro already revived with the dragon balls before, it ain't gon work@@Drums_of_Liberation

[@sonicbenchino.6324]

Btw yes there was strong oponents but there were not too many, only pakuhan and idk maybe another random guy but that's it, then he stayed training in kaio's planet there chilling, but cause it was the only thing he could do at that moment.@@Drums_of_Liberation

[@HotPocketM]

@@Drums_of_Liberation Was Goku wrong about him attracting bad guys? He came back for ONE DAY to fight in the world martial arts tournament and THE SAME DAY he came back. Guess what happened? majin buu. If I knew me being alive attracted world ending villains that could kill my family and kill every living being on earth. I would also choose not to come back

[@p4lejkjjjk]

I know is an old comment but, Goku's been with him the majority of his childhood, when Trunks tells them about the androids they spent those years together as wel, and then they spent another year with him in the hyperbolic time chamber. You can only blame Goku for being an absent father throught his teenage years, well, if you ignore the fact THAT HE WAS DEAD.

[@jross7287]

This is the result of 75% of dbz fans only having watched the abridged series

[@clementinelives]

Lmao

[@thespacecowboy4124]

At that point you're not even a dragon ball fan 😭. No 🧢

[@connorryan2715]

And even the dudes who made the abridged series regret making so many jokes about him being a shit dad

[@twistsnkicks]

For real.

[@delusional_rain]

Watch out. Twitter stans will get mad. They literally got mad at someone for posting something similar to your comment.

[@JDWalker495]

People really be calling Goku a dead beat for being DEAD

[@22kingdomheartsfan]

Papa Goku's not a dead beat, he's just DEAD! That line made me laugh but then it should. And its 100% true

[@trentbell8276]

It's technically not wrong

[@superyahci5339]

@@trentbell8276 it is 100% wrong. you cant be a deadbeat when you’re dead. thats not how it works.

[@chavaspada]

He CHOSE TO STAY DEAD. He first was fucking around in Yardrat for a year and then refused to get revived 🤣 He's such a deadbeat Goten doesn't even know his face

[@countdooku7133]

@@chavaspada he stayed dead because every z villan came to earth because of him and him being alive was a threat to the world untill the buu saga where he realised that he can live and villans wojt just come for him And also you are acting like goku stayed in yardrat because he didnt want to stay with gohan, he stayed there because the yardratians had very useful techniques that would help everyone in the future and actually the training he did there saved everyone from cells self destruction

[@NewAjFerguson]

What's even more funny is that Whenever Goku does something bad to Gohan(Even when it's not even that bad), The Fandom won't let him live it down, BUT when Piccolo does something bad, They Make Dumb Excuses to get him out of trouble.

[@ojpickle5923]

That's because piccolo was preparing for the literal end of the world and Goku decided to not be in contact with his 5 year old son for over a year because he just wanted to train (during peacetime)

[@Agendapusher]

@@ojpickle5923 bro what 💀 Piccolo kidnapped Gohan and made him fend for himself for 6 months straight Goku was Dead and needed to train to be able to defend his friends and family from nappa and Vegeta.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

​@@AgendapusherYup, sometimes it seems people who criticise like this didn't read the manga and just saw the parody

[@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist]

​@@ojpickle5923Goku was dead at the time, and he was training for the same reason Gohan and Piccolo were. Like WTF are you talking about? Have you even seen the series, or does all your knowledge of Dragon Ball come from TFS and memes?

[@darthgamer9861]

I am so sick of people downplaying or outright ignoring Piccolo’s flaws (cough , TFS, cough)

[@CornerRoom_Thoughts]

Its funny at the end you mention that a Goku being a good father would be letting Gohan study, because a lot of these same people hate ChiChi because she wanted Gohan to study instead of fight all the time lol.

[@ecpsuper2010]

FREAKING THANK YOU! People really out here comparing Goku to some of the most despicable fathers in anime but also praising Piccolo and Vegeta for being good fathers when they started off treating gohan and trunks respectively like absolute trash

[@Dragoncam13]

And piccolo was more of a big brother than anything,people forget how he's only 4 years older than Gohan and practically was a kid himself

[@fosterdawson7339]

@@Dragoncam13 wait piccolo was EIGHT when him and goku fought raditz?

[@Dragoncam13]

@@fosterdawson7339 yeah lol

[@dallasdean4115]

The person who put Goku in the same tier list as Peter Griffin is insane. One will torture and relentless bully their daughter consistently for the sake of a laugh, while the other one will literally walk out of heaven, fly across galaxies and sacrifice themselves 2x with out skipping a beat for his son.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

And then endanger the entire mulitverse cuz I wanna fight strong guys 😂

[@ninjanate5018]

@@Drums_of_LiberationFor the last time, GOKU DIDN’T ENDANGER THE MULTIVERSE. Grand Zeno was already planning to erase all the universes with low Mortal Levels. If anything, Goku pretty much saved the entirety of the multiverse by reminding Zeno about the TOP.

[@ajius6]

​@@ninjanate5018THANK YOU for pointing this out. Goku didn't doom everyone, he gave them a fighting chance to survive.

[@Ryu_zero393]

​@@Drums_of_Liberation turns out you couldn't read nor see nor hear as a dragon ball fan

[@ChiefShibaInu]

​@Ryu_zero393 he's a one piece fan, ofc he'd say something like that

[@hobodefender3476]

The bean is literally the one thing I would say is the most egregious of any of his acts, but something that I always point out to defend Goku is when he is literally taking time off training during the lead up to the Cell Games as a literal means to give his son, as well as his friends a reprieve from the violence and exhausting training. Even admitting that he was unsure he could win but didn't want anyone to panic and so chose to set aside his ignorant pursuit of strength to ensure their was good morale between his family and friends until the end.

[@goldenlockx]

He did it cuz he knew Gohan could win anyway. Besides it would make him stronger

[@hobodefender3476]

@@goldenlockx Incorrect. He knew he had the potential to win and was hopeful. Goku knew that Gohan had to be pushed to a breaking point, but also knew Gohan wasn't like him. Knowing fighting was a second nature to him. An obligation in a time of strife. Goku was thinking of Gohan's potential and did react accordingly after Piccolo pointed out that he was in immense pain, so he wasn't completely blind and still acted paternally, but risked Gohan's life on a gambit. Gohan did win and was made better for it, but had Cell not pulled out the Cell Jrs and killed 16, Gohan may not have had enough rage to actually reach the necessary state.

[@AlexSummary]

You didn’t mention it. But people always complain when he dies during the cell saga and decides not to come back. Goku’s reasoning was that, every time he’s around there’s always a big bad that threatens the earth. And so, for the safety of his friends and family. He stays dead. When he eventually comes back with the halo on his head, to participate in the next Tenkaichi tournament. Another BIG BAD appears. Might be too much of a coincidence, but he wasn’t wrong. But instead he gets called a deadbeat for protecting his friends and family😂

[@Hektols]

Agree, all his critics just forget that the Buu Saga just proved that his sacrifice was not wrong.

[@ningamer5]

When you think about it's even worse because of Goku coming back Vegeta let babidi control him to get power boost which lead to them fighting and Majin Buu being unleashed I'm sure that if it was just Vegeta piccolo and Gohan this wouldn't have happened

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

@@ningamer5 yea that’s true. If Goku didn’t come back, Vegeta’s flare up of insecurity at how much Goku surpassing him wouldn’t have happened. With Goku gone, he’s the strongest there, and he would simply be about his business and get rid of Dabura and Buu

[@viennasavage9110]

@@kanekikingstorm2113 Vegeta ego is genuinely annoying

[@rulerjayohenn3161]

@@kanekikingstorm2113 always thought the same. No goku. Means vegeta would kill dabura and destroy babidi himself after seejng gohan decline in power. Goku’s presence amongst the living even for one day is so profound. To defeat the evil that resulted from it, goku himself had to not exist and be fused with the very person that would have saved the day in the first place had goku not been giving life And for anyone that thinks vegeta would have not been the hero, even if it was gohan reawakening his true power it is likely to assume it would been vegeta’s influence and push that would have jump started gohan. Goku was proven right by every metric He should have stayed dead.

[@theoneandonlymsg991]

It's gotta be that TFS after effect man. They REALLY laid it out there to make it seem like Goku is not the best father. But I just recently watched some of the scenes between Goku and Goten. And I gotta say. Goku is an amazing father. Truly some of the best. I say this because I also love my dad very much as well. And as an adult I can now understand the flaws that were in my dad as well. He wasn't a perfect dad. No one's ever able to get it right 100% of the time. But the things that I was able to gain from my father. Like his level of patience is what really matters to me. His patience and understanding he had for me and my siblings was something to be marveled at. So when he had passed away back in November of 2020. That loss still hits me and my family every now and then. But I am still able to carry on because of what I got to learn from him. And Gohan and Goten had certainly gained something from Goku during the times they were together. No matter how brief.

[@nishchayjain1121]

I am so glad that you are making a video about it. What annoyed me is how people paint Goku a bad father, I seriously got annoyed with it.

[@frank10pez94]

He literally got himself killed and put the pressure of saving the world to Gohan

[@JDWalker495]

@@frank10pez94 funnily enough the two times he got himself killed was PROTECTING HIS SON And piccolo did the exact same thing against the saiyans, lucky daddy Goku came back just in time.

[@frank10pez94]

@@JDWalker495 no I’m talking about when he literally gave cell a senzu bean which got him killed and made Gohan have to kill him or die trying when it could’ve been avoided

[@frank10pez94]

@loxt2 it is his fault what do you mean. Cell was practically defeated and all he had to do was finish the job but instead he gave him back his strength put his son in danger and got himself killed in the process or else everyone would’ve died because of his mistake.

[@JDWalker495]

@@frank10pez94 he gave cell the sense bean because he knew gohan could beat him regardless, as well as it would push Gohan further, he spent year training the kid and saw his power super saiyan. Goku’s whole character arc throughout the cell saga was realize that he’s a trouble magnet and one day death is gonna stick, even then, the bad guys won’t stop. Someone had to take his place, and protect the planet. Let’s not forget that Piccolo was the one that originally gave gohan the sink or swim treatment.

[@UltiB247]

“Goku is was not a deadbeat he was just DEAD” 💀💀💀💀

[@thefirstprime0124]

HE RIGHT THO😂😂

[@chavaspada]

Not a very good line when he CHOSE to stay dead instead of raising Goten. Also, Goku is such a bad father that he doesn't even realise Gohan doesn't like to fight. It doesn't matter if he has a higher potential, Gohan doesn't like fighting!!!!

[@Rebirthed977]

​@@chavaspada Goku legit encourage gohan to keep studying in the cell saga just say you only watched clips of dbz bro

[@Another_Hibiki]

@@chavaspada He didn't even knew Goten existed until he came to Earth at Buu saga. Gohan also never stated or showed not liking to fight, Toriyama took it out of his asss like a magic trick, Goku may have telepathy, but he can't read minds.

[@chavaspada]

@@Another_Hibiki LoL he didn't even knew he got Chi Chi pregnant, father of the year everyone 🤣 He CAN read minds, he read Krillin's mind during the Namek saga. Common L.

[@SoraTempez]

It's sad because Goku is a better father than some real life parents (Those who abuse their kids, Those who hate them, those who uses them, those who neglect or ignore them, and those who didn't even bother to be part of their life and left or abandoned their kids) and yet people still hate on Goku as a dad like bro sacrificed his life twice and broke the rules of life and dead and yet they all still have the Audacity to call Goku a bad dad

[@DrJones0801]

THANK YOU! I've been saying this for a good while now. I'm convinced that the "Goku is a horrible dad" crowd haven't even read or watched Dragon Ball.

[@jjh01harmon38]

That's most DB fans tbh

[@StantonismyPookie]

75% of Dragonball fans haven't watched a single episode

[@johnman8398]

No sad thing is that a lot of people who do watch and read the series deadass say this unironically especially long time fans who have this specific idea of what DB is and refuse to re-evaluate it.

[@justinarney3050]

or have only watch the Abridge version

[@Nothisndhdudjdjdj]

I thought this because I haven’t watched actual dbz since i was like 12 and ive watched dbza like 20 times since then Peetty sure dbza is the main reason ppl think this cause thats why i thought this

[@JAY_X1]

The "Goku is a bad dad" narrative started from a joke made by TeamFourStar back when they did the Abridged Series. It just happened to have turned into an arguing point overtime.

[@TheMaskedMan]

Love TFS, and I love the joke but people say this fr😭

[@JAY_X1]

@@TheMaskedMan yeah its just one of those things where a joke became seen as a fact. Happens alot online

[@tyjones9864]

@@JAY_X1 the Yamcha jokes came from TFS too

[@ningamer5]

Power lvl joke too I know they didn't really Matter because of characters being able to lower it even toriyama said that he took them out because they spoiled battles But they can be used to know how strong character it's like if you see a frieza soldier with power lvl of 1000 or 2000 then you know that soldier will absolutely stomp all og DB characters

[@IfritBoi]

Goku being a bad dad was a meme before TFS even bothered banking on it and the Yamcha jokes from TFS were based on the actual dead Yamcha meme and how the writers constantly shaft Yamcha since early DBZ.

[@blazeblitzx988]

Ya'll remember when they got the news that goku was going to be coming back for the day to participate in the tournament? How freaking excited Gohan was? And then how he literally cried and ran to hug his father the moment he saw him again in the flesh? If Goku was the terrible father that people love to potray him as, Gohan would not have that reaction, no child has that kind of reaction when seeing their parent after a long time. Gohan hold pure respect for his father and loves him so much it's honestly sad to see soo many people misinterpret their relationship and call Goku a bad father. As much as I like to laugh to the jokes tfs has made with dbz abridged, I honestly believe it's their fault why the community heavily believes the narrative of Goku being a bad father, and even believe that gohan hates and hold no respect for goku.

[@peace1290]

You can't blame TFS, they have always explicitly stated in every episode "this is a fan-based parody". It's not their fault people can't separate a parody from the official series because they don't have the attention span to sit through the entire show again or are too lazy to read the manga. This is what happens when you view a series solely on your outdated memories of it and haven't bothered to re-experience it in recent times.

[@blazeblitzx988]

@peace1290 I understand where you're coming from. Normally I would say yes you are right, but as a community, we definitely can put some blame on TFS. Yes they are a fan based parody, but they are the ones who perpetuated this narrative of Goku being a terrible father. Hell, they even reference scenes or events to try proving their point in the show to point out why goku is bad while misleading the audience and they have also outside of the series, popularized the idea that he's a bad father. Even in their most recent buu bits with what vegeta comments of him being the better father after knocking out trunks and goten. Again, I would normally agree with you but when they don't even try to separate that "joke" from their content that isn't a parody, yes we can as an audience and community put blame on them for ingraining that idea to people.

[@britneybij3997]

The way I HOLLERED when you said "He wasn't a dead-beat......HE WAS DEAD!"

[@Sonic759100]

I love this Swagkage energy man, and i 100% agree. Ive been in this corner since the Namek Saga. Also I see (in a very headcannon matter) Goku throwing Cell a bean as a controlled environment for Saving the Earth 101. He's basically giving Gohan an enemy who outclasses him as a "The fight is never fair" scenario. That or Goku completely misjudged Gohans favorite activities.

[@samaarnelson8694]

I’m so glad you made this video i’ve been saying this for years. if anything vegeta deserves more of this he literally admitted he hadn’t held his own son since he was a baby but goku gets the bad name cuz he’s dead

[@viperblitz11]

Nah Vegeta''s a shit dad too. If I'm not letting Goku of the hook for dying twice to protect Gohan, I'm not letting Vegeta off the hook for dying ONCE to protect Trunks (with whom he was incredibly distant and demanding for the kid's whole life up to that point) from a crisis HE caused in the first place.

[@BlindRobotDragon]

Another point I'd like to mention is something that happened during Gohan's battle with Cell, before he went Super Saiyan 2. For most of the fight up to this event, Goku wanted to just let things play out in hopes that Gohan would awaken his power on his own, but when Cell was giving Gohan the mother of all bear hugs, Piccolo set him straight, letting him know just how much he'd miscalculated. A bad father would have just shrugged off this much-needed reality check and let it keep happening, but Goku asked for a Senzu bean. If Cell hadn't released Gohan and decided to try a different approach, Goku was about to step in and save the kid's hide once again. He was seconds away from rushing back onto the battlefield to get his son away from Cell. Did Goku misjudge his son? absolutely. Does that make him a terrible dad? no, not even close. He may not have fully taken Gohan's motives and personality into account, but he more than made up for that by giving up his own life to try and rectify the situation when it got way the hell out of hand. Also, there was an evil maniacal android powerhouse threatening the very existence of the planet and everyone/everything on it, and Goku knew that his son's enormous power was needed. In that moment, all that ultimately mattered was saving the world from the biggest threat it had ever seen up to that point. If anything, I'd argue that Chi Chi was the misguided one, believing that Gohan's education was of greater import than the salvation of the planet. If she'd gotten her way, the Earth would have been reduced to space dust and everyone would be dead. Goku is far from perfect. He has his flaws, there's no denying that, but this whole "he's a horrible father" thing is way overblown in my humble opinion. He's definitely made mistakes, but honestly who hasn't. In that regard, he's no different than anyone else. Edit: there's something I forgot to mention when I typed this out a few days ago. We all know how Goku chose to stay dead after the defeat of Cell, believing himself to be the cause of all the threats toward the planet he had come to call home. Another factor that people in the "Goku is a lousy dad" camp seem to overlook is how he set all of that aside. When Gohan and his adoptive home world were in mortal danger at the hands of Super Buu, Goku didn't exactly balk at the prospect of the elder Kai offering up his life force so that Goku could rejoin the fight. Goku opted to forgo his wish to remain in the afterlife and stay out of the affairs of the living world, just so that he could rescue his son, and save the Earth once again. Would a bad father do that? I don't think so.

[@Takerutomy]

Exactly he is not perfect, most fathers are not perfect but i think goku did a decent job at it.

[@BlindRobotDragon]

@@Takerutomy Amen to that! He did the best he could, and did what he thought was right. His decisions might not have been the best at times, but by no means does he deserve his reputation as a crappy dad.

[@dominiklange8382]

I love how the german dub handeld Piccolo giving goku a reality check. Not something "oh gohan doesnt like fighting". But a blunt "Did you ever told Gohan about your plan? The boy is top confused to fight right!"

[@BlindRobotDragon]

@@dominiklange8382 That sounds sort of similar to the English dub of Dragon Ball Z Kai. I've heard good things about the German dub... although I haven't actually checked it out, since I can't speak or understand a word of German lol.

[@dominiklange8382]

@@BlindRobotDragon still a time were we translated directly from jp and not funanimation and stuff. For example we got "It's over 8000!" instead of 9000. Tho tbh mid 2000 till i think 2018 was really a bad time for ger anime dubs

[@JesceeC]

"papa goku was not a deadbeat he was just dead" LMAOOOO

[@idkJuun]

The craziest thing is, tossing Cell that bean is one of the greatest learning experiences Goku have Gohan. Like saying, “You gotta learn how to fight this threat alone, because what if I’m not here?”

[@joehicks929]

putting your child in life threatening situations to teach them life lessons isnt good parenting.

[@Marshinist]

​@@joehicks929 True, but if you were in Goku's shoes you'd say otherwise lmfao

[@ON-ry8iw]

@@joehicks929 sure but they were already in the threatening situation. Gohan would get his ass took by cell regardless

[@legendarytronic7774]

@@joehicks929 Obviously but goku knew gohan had the potential and power to beat cell and gohan was LEGIT AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS ONCE ( THE ONLY ONE STRONGEST AT THE TIME WHO HAD THE POTENTIAL TO BEAT CELL WHICH HE DOES LATER) If goku didn't do this then they would have all died anyway. I'd say to have that much trust and belief in your son that they can beat cell if they unleash their potential makes goku a good dad.

[@losever1177]

Absolutely agree , just because goku let gohan fight sell alone doesn't mean he is a bad father ,it means he trust gohan and knows what he can do

[@JDWalker495]

And he was right in the end

[@Weeniewarrior15]

It’s not the fighting alone part it’s the fact he gave him a senzu bean to recover him to full strength. That’s like giving your child’s bully a gun and telling your child that they’re strong enough to defend yourself from a armed person. If that doesn’t show how bad of a father he is idk what will.

[@DBZFANX1000]

True, i think goku letting gohan fight cell is a good and bad decission. it is bad on the other hand because the red ribbon shit is technically goku's issue, especially with him allowing 17 and 18 to be created + the fate of the world is on the line. But it's also very much based on the fact that goku knows he can't do it but gohan can he has faith in his son it's a mix. It's not the best decision but it makes sense and it just shows how goku believes in his son. And it's one of those things actually better in the long run because somebody needs to be reliable when goku isn't around. That is why he was teaching goten and trunks the fusion technique instead of try to beat buu by himself because at some point these problems need to be solved without just goku.

[@JDWalker495]

@@Weeniewarrior15 so we ignore the numerous times he was there to save Gohan’s life With Raditz The saiyan Frieza’s men Frieza himself And the fact that he help make gohan strong enough to protect himself and his own family in his absence

[@BlackmanHD]

@@JDWalker495people forget he came from the afterlife to punch bojack bc his son was in trouble... he is DEAD

[@BDeerhead]

Everyone always talks about a mother's love. But what about a father's sacrifice?

[@superyahci5339]

TALK TO EM 🗣️

[@marc68521]

Two things I want to add. Goku stayed on Yardrat not just to take a vacation but to learn abilities he has never seen before, abilities that would allow him to save more of his loved ones as a lot of people got hurt in the Saiyan Saga because Goku couldn’t get there fast enough and his son almost died, then getting to Namek he barely got there in time to save Gohan again. So it makes sense that he goes oh cool an ability that will let me get to my loved ones in time to save them instantly yeah I’m definitely going to learn that. Next Goku didn’t just believe Gohan could beat Cell he knew he could and also knew that someone would have to be able to save earth after him as he had already died once, nearly died twice, and was now seeing more and more enemies show up.

[@songoku3072]

The sad reality is that most people watched tfs and believe the narrative they portray goku is the actual kind of father/person he is

[@SamuraiAaron]

1:28 Bro took it too personally.💀😭

[@MahirRahmanHK]

😂

[@kiratorasei6227]

I just recently rewatched the whole Z cell saga (And I’m in the buu saga now). Everytime I saw and see Gohan spending time with his father, they are happy. Sure stuff happens but over all, Goku has an excellent relationship with his family. side note, I don’t know why people call piccolo a great dad when he’s more like an uncle. I can’t name one fatherly thing he’s done but I can name a tone of things an uncle would do that he’s done.

[@diegosotomiranda4107]

​@xana7617Yep, piccolo is a poner and always goes his way when earth it's at Peace, usually disregard z Warriors company outside those momments

[@dawoodilyas1998]

I always thought Goku was a great dad and was confused why other people hated him. Also people need to understand bro's a saiyan and some of the stupid things he did was because of his saiyan nature. He messed up one or two times and people hate him lol

[@loganwoods1590]

Not to mention the early childhood head trauma.

[@bignewsmorgans93]

Vegeta's also a Saiyan, with a far more messed up upbringing, yet he was prepared to miss the entire Tournament of Power just to support his wife while she was pregnant.

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

@@bignewsmorgans93 isn't that basically Vegeta's core character arc? He goes from the most emotionally stunted, violent and unpredictable character this side of Frieza to being a loving husband and father who would gladly give anything if it meant protecting and being there for his wife and children. Goku on the other hand suffered a traumatic head injury that likely was never properly cared for. Unfortunately a common side effect of trauma to the head like that is a major loss in impulse control. This really does seem to be Goku's main flaw as a father, if he gets some idea in his head he can't seem to just sit on it, he has to start putting it into motion(be that "I'm going to train", "I'm going to stay on this planet to learn their techniques", "my son is probably going to be better able to defeat Cell than I am", "trouble only seems to show up while I'm on earth, so maybe I should stay dead". The man gets and idea and he has to follow through.

[@robbiedontmiss]

@@bignewsmorgans93 Vegeta didn't hug Trunks for seven years bro. Not to mention, The best fatherly thing he did for Trunks is almost get everyone killed when Trunks died. Vegeta is better in Super but that man is a terrible father.

[@Another_Hibiki]

​@@bignewsmorgans93 Didn't he beat Trunks up just to fight Perfect Cell? He only started giving some valor to having a son after he was killed by Cell.

[@RandomVex]

I like the passionate screams contrasting the hot calm asmr voice of the masked man. It's very funny

[@ON-ry8iw]

Same here, made me giggle way too hard

[@Popeyes_Eater]

Like sysnsei pointed out, Goku didn't really get the chance to be a father. Villains were constantly coming after him. Sometimes killing him

[@problemletstalknoletschat2288]

3:14 The funniest part is that Goku DIDN'T STAY i space to chill or fuck around,but to LEARN INSTANT TRANSMISSION,one of the most useful techieques EVER,so he could have something NOONE CAN and actually USE IT WHEN NEEDED!!!

[@MouthPeaceCorbett]

And another thing....everyone forgot, gohan trained with everyone's intention of him fighting, yet with cell, they magically forgot that. He was already gonna fight, not even as a ssj yet they was willing to ride wit it. Also, ppl also forget, after frieza died, hoku was hurt, needed to heal...and he just watched his best friend die, with no idea how he was gonna come back to life! Let that man have his time.

[@impactframes6514]

I love your sense of humor and you randomly yelling at times 😂 but you really helped me see how complex of a character Goku really is. This also helped inspire some of my own characters, thanks a lot for that! Really worth the sub 👍

[@cedricwine]

Goku didn't ask his son about school, girlfriend and work. That's a good father on my book.

[@goldenlockx]

Like he has time for that. Besides he probably did in the year they spent in the hyperbolic time chamber and the 10 days after. Or any other time that they didn’t have to fight and there was a time skip, like after the Buu saga.

[@Another_Hibiki]

@@goldenlockx I don't think that's what OP meant.

[@Another_Hibiki]

Yeah, not asking about these things makes a parent go from 5000 to over 8000 on my scouter.

[@charleschamp9826]

Didn't he stay in space after Namek not so he could chill but so he could train? Ya know if Goku didn't do that he wouldn't have had Instant Transmission, and if he didn't do that imagine all the stuff he couldn't have done, like teleport Cell off Earth to save Gohan.

[@marcus_dot]

In the original timeline where he dies from the Heart Virus, he actually does use Instant Transmission to defeat Mecha Frieza and King Cold. In the timeline that we know, he felt Trunks' power level and knew that'd he win, so Goku decided not to intervene because it wasn't neccessary.

[@diegosotomiranda4107]

A Lot forget that not only they can sense power level, but of that energy comes from a good person or a villains, Goku sensei a great power from trunks, but when he realized it was a good person he decided to not rush and let him take care of mecha frieza and k cold​@@marcus_dot

[@oshkeet]

Ironically, I think Goku's innocent shortsightedness (and weird upbringing) is the cause of a lot of this discourse. Goku has THAT much confidence in Gohan that he sometimes figures he doesn't need to be shadowed, which can feel weird from a dad/son perspective. Especially when you consider Goku's own parental figure was more of a Master/Student situation, though he clearly loved Grandpa Gohan.

[@Toonafishlol]

What I find as another reason he’s a good dad: he warns Gohan that he’s about to go insane when he first goes super Saiyan and you can tell he’s yelling at Gohan in fear of what’s gonna happen if he doesn’t get outta there right now, not in anger

[@problemletstalknoletschat2288]

Goku wasn't a bad Father,BECAUSE he CAME BACK after he died,wanted to actually be with his family,BUT COULDN'T BECAUSE OF NOT ONLY HIS,BUT HIS FAMILY'S AS WELL AS EARTHS LIVES WERE ALLWAYS TREATENED AND SINCE HE WAS THE STRONGEST ONE,HE DID HIS BEST TO ASURE NOBODY ELSE DIES!!!

[@mohamedkamara7701]

Careing for his family dose not mean he a good father

[@ItsKayBee111]

​@@mohamedkamara7701 your statement is as crazy as your spelling

[@nanashi_khun]

@@mohamedkamara7701guess your daddy was never there for you then

[@Ronin-errante]

other thing ppl love to point out is how "Piccolo understand Gohan better" because of that bit on Cell tournament... I personally always thought that thing about "Gohan don't like to fight" a little forced at this point... sure, he don't love it like Goku does, but he does have interest on fight... before that scene, if you ask anyone if Gohan prefer to study or to fight, everyone would answer "fight"... we have dozen of times of him, by his own iniciative, wanting to training, or help in the fights... everytime he appears studing, is because Chichi is making him do it.. but even disconsidering how forced this is, once Piccolo say it, Goku immediately decide to help Gohan (even though, in the end, he was actually right about Gohan be able to defeat Cell)

[@somerandomnon-importantper3219]

Even Gohan himself doesn't tell Cell that he hates fighting, he tells him that he hates POINTLESS fighting and violence

[@UnifiedEntity]

The Team Four Star scenes did not.....freaking help....and it's baffling to me that people took a fucking PARODY seriously over the actual series.

[@rominevideos]

Really happy to see this video. I've been screaming everything in this video at brick walls for 10 years.

[@davidcopperfield3536]

Can we also talk about the dialogue. Reading the manga gave me a whole new appreciation for Goku, I could never summarize it well enough but genuinely go read Goku's last words to Gohan before teleporting cell away

[@polyman6859]

Piccolo chucking Gohan at a mountain: *flirting* Goku tossing Cell a senzu so Gohan is more likely to be backed into a corner to use his full power and save the entire universe: *harassment*

[@jumbojohn890]

WE GOTTA PUT SOME RESPECT ON GOKU'S NAME!!!

[@sophiadebar382]

5:20 “HE DIED AGAIN” IM CRYING

[@oliverfalco7060]

The energy of this arguments is just so... I don't know how to explain it but I love it

[@JustNande2289]

I know I'm late seeing this but THANK YOU!! for this. I use to think people were just bantering but people were actually serious. When you add the popularity of DBZA it seemed like gospel that Goku is bad father.

[@ryszakowy]

gohan telling goku that he's too soft to train him properly because he doesn't want to hurt him is the peak moment of their relation

[@paulhiggins6433]

One more thing I'd like to point out, is that when Goku arrives in the Sayian Saga against Nappa and Vegeta, who is the first one he goes to help? Gohan. He does it again on Namek against Recoome. When Goku sacrifices himself against Cell, he pretty much tells Gohan that he's proud of him. Not those exact words, but the meaning is clear. Even though Gohan messed up and didn't kill Cell when he had a chance, Goku is still proud of his son.

[@johnman8398]

0:28 Almost any time someone brings up jiren. People ignore the development he had as a character and call him bland or trash despite him having more depth than every major z villain but nah the time skipping assassin with no depth gets a pass.

[@nexxanor-1059]

Was rewatching DBZ and in the beginning of the namek saga goku is literally in hospital and one of the first things he says is “I really do hope gohan is okay”

[@BugsyFoga]

Goku tried his best, and that’s more you can say about most other fathers out there.

[@williamrogers4917]

I never saw Goku as a dead-beat dad. He is a warrior, and a warrior life is a demanding one. Him off training to come back to protect his family and friends is not really any different then fathers whose jobs take him away but it is how he is providing for their family. In reality, he is not much different than a parent that is in the military, or on an oil rig, Alaska king crab fishing. There are many of job that have the parent away from the family.

[@Kirumi_Bear217]

THANK YOU. I HAD A COMMENT ON TIK TOK THAT ADDRESSED THIS AND MANY TT PEOPLE MISSED MY POINT ABOUT THIS!!

[@hulkinglasses7174]

Thank you for this video, too many people only watch the abridged version where they made Goku being a bad dad and Piccolo being the real dad jokes and took it seriously.

[@yoda2824]

“Goku’s not a deadbeat he’s just DEAD” 💀

[@zeldaholic777]

im so glad you made this video thanks

[@Jestylor6]

FINALLY, a video that describes how I've felt For YEARS. I Appreciate you...

[@badratnoir7657]

This whole narrative of Goku being a terrible dad might've been exasperated by TFS. As well-written as DBZA can be at times it really does perpetuate misconceptions in the community like Piccolo being Gohan's real dad even though Goku busted his ass to save the universe and improve Gohan along the way.

[@themonikult2979]

To be fair, Goku is a warrior at heart. A kind and compassionate one, but a warrior nonetheless. He didn't even know Chi Chi was in love with him and wanted to marry him for the longest time, and accidentally hurts her when he doesn't understand. I think the irresponsible things he's done is due to ignorance, not by selfish pride as with most saiyans.

[@aitorchul2262]

You're talking about the person who thinked marriage is food a person who has been thougth to figth, and even if he didn't know he accepted it. And ignorance bruh???? Is fck knowledge or will you know what marriage is when you have been libing in the woods for 10 years and then with literally GOD.

[@DoJayMi]

I feel like a MAJOR part of the problem is TeamFourStar, but even Takahata and Lanipator said themselves that they basically wrote Goku to be like Homer Simpson (notably listed among the "horrible dads list"), and also begged people to not take it seriously BECAUSE IT'S A PARODY. BUT WHAT DID EVERYONE DO?! THE EXACT OPPOSITE!

[@nxrth9463]

Its true though, hes a bad dad just accept it

[@ashborn7343]

@@nxrth9463 hes not cope

[@MagnusPrimeZ]

they and their low iq fanbase, ruined the dragon ball franchise, goku´s reputation is beyond repair

[@donutvernichte]

To be honest the only time i considered Goku not being a good father, was when in the end of the story he left to train oob. Which sadly was not mentioned here. But besides that everything you said is 100% accurate. Great video

[@123GOHANZ]

Yeah but at that point both of his sons are adults. Gohan straight up moved out of the house(later to move back near his family home) and has his own family. Goten is seventeen and practically old enough to make his own decisions.

[@Takerutomy]

I mean most of his family members can fly around the globe and sense his whereabouts, i dont see that as an issue lol.

[@funniguy-we5fr]

Plus the only reason he did that was so earth can have a protector when he isn't around since he knew Gohan, Goten and trunks were focused on other things and he accepted that and moved onto uub so many people twist that as him leaving just to train some kid but that ain't the case

[@PhoenixAce]

2:17 YES IVE SAID THAT SO MANY TIMES LMAO exactly in that tone too I love saying it it’s so amazing hear you say it

[@Atlantafan21]

THANK YOU MASK! I always see people meming while simultaneously being serious in saying Goku is a bad father. And the crux of their argument is almost always and exclusively based on the fact he doesn’t spend enough time with his kids (primarily gohan), even though he was DEAD for the times that they argue about.

[@zachjennings5320]

Big difference between raising a child and protecting a child. Protecting is the bear minimum a parent should do raising the child properly is also very important.

[@NeoReoxis]

And Goku did both 🙏

[@ghoulchan7525]

Keep in mind Goku only had his grandpa as a parental figure. And well he died. So Goku raised himself on the Mountain before Bulma found him to kickstart the series. From age 12 to 18 Goku really didn't have the most normal childhood himself. ( This is og Dragonball) So for a guy with little to no parental guidance. He does quite well.

[@phantless2203]

@@NeoReoxis no he really didn’t

[@NeoReoxis]

@@phantless2203 explain

[@phantless2203]

@@NeoReoxis explain how he actually raised gohan

[@deathangeleas2401]

I think the biggest argument levied at goku for not being the best parent is actually more so how he prioritizes self-improvement and fighting over anything else. When people bring up things like yardrat and the sensu bean I don't think they're reffering entirely on the fact that he wasn't there for his kid or made his kid go through shitty things, but rather how just much more battles and training to learn matters to him more then his son having a normal life. Now my opinion has always been that Goku is okay and that the reason why Goku doesn't prioritze that normal life that chi-chi wants for gohan is 1) because he doesn't think that is best for his son, but 2) because Gohan is a better fighter then he realizes and should focus more on that then school and other things.. Goku is only okay though because he pays attention, everything from how oblivious and dense on how gohan feels and how abscent he is sometimes indeed a problem. At the end of the day though the reason why Gohan is sorta forced into battle is because of his fighting capabilities, but also because this is a shonen. It was apart of his character development and people wouldn't have cared for gohan if he hadn't been bold enough to go to namek and fight cell alone. At the end of the day though despite gokus obliviousness, he has supported and been there for his son and most of the arguments leveled at him are mostly unfair, but some are and should be taken into consideration when talking about his fatherhood.

[@asura383]

Dont forget during the top vegeta asked about gohan going and GOKU SAID "naw he doesnt really fight anymore" AND WENT ON TO THINK ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE GOKU NEVER PUT HIS KIDS IN DANGER IF THERES NO NEED

[@Esteban-nk3nm]

Yet Goku is the strongest. When he finally ever leaves for real, the stongest people they'll have to rely on is Goten and Trunks to save the day, but Chichi even berates Goten into studying, so even he's gonna be likely carried due to less training, lol

[@dbzandrs2]

@@Esteban-nk3nm Uub

[@christopherford39]

@@dbzandrs2 unfortunately he isn't ready yet(especially since he hasn't met Goku yet in Super). End of Z, can't really say much there considering that's when Goku gets ready to start training Uub

[@acidthemosquito]

Team Four Star and the consequences it's had on Dragon Ball fans when it comes to Goku

[@theeternalslayer]

On the series as a whole 🙄.

[@test-ot1fz]

Not only for goku but for og broly too

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

@@test-ot1fz nah they were right about Broly. There’s a reason why people mostly consider DBS Broly to be the objectively better character

[@test-ot1fz]

@@sarcasticsuperjerk18 broly hating goku for crying is a joke made by tfs and if you actually watched the movie you know that broly gets ptsd when he looks at goku

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

@@test-ot1fz He hated Goku for crying, cry about it as hard as baby Goku did

[@MATTERSGAMES]

The distortion on the mic every time you yell HE DIES 😂

[@timbrady1176]

As a parent, you dont get to have a years vacation away from your kid. That is called being a bad parent. Now if it was forced like work for instance or when goku got killed by raditz that makes sense. But not coming back to be with his family after frieza IS a bad father move. Brushing it off doenst help your point. You also ignored goten goku entirely. Goku DECIDED to stay dead instead of being in his 2nd childs life. Didnt meet him until he was 7. Goku then spends most of his time training at king kais until he then takes extended leaves to train at beerus's planet. Then end of z he leaves his family again to train uub instead. All in all, his absence is what makes him a bad father, not his actions towards his sons

[@catalinaardila8391]

4 YEARS vs. a portion of 6 MONTHS!!! That's how DBZ starts out. Goku has been fathering Gohan for almost half-a-decade while Piccolo abandons Gohan for half a year and then abuses him for the better part of the remainder of that year. But who's the better father? GTFO!! .............. Great video - - someone had to be the adult and expressed this ish!