Sonic Adventure 2 with Heroes Physics

Despite having the same engine, Heroes' Physics are different than the Adventure games in terms of acceleration and speed. This video compares the two physics.
Outro music made by DJ SonicFreak.

[@TZMHBT]

Can't believe a 3 minute video that could have better described the differences between Heroes and Adventure 2 physics got above 10k views, y'all are amazing. Watch Sonic Adventure DX version here. It's much better and goes more in depth and isn't lazily made lol: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYPVZqN_nJxjnas

[@foxyin_1168]

Good job on the video you made 👍

[@PiggyPooPro]

1 week later: 20K+ views

[@TZMHBT]

@@PiggyPooPro I know right?

[@PiggyPooPro]

@@TZMHBT Crazy to think that a video can just unexpectedly blow up so quickly for what seems like no reason.

[@TZMHBT]

@@PiggyPooPro Especially with this video being nearly 2 years old too, algorithm decided to bless this video I guess

[@HalfHeartHero]

“You can easily outrun the gun truck” Gets hit by Gun truck.

[@TZMHBT]

If you're remotely good at the game, which I am not :)

[@madeiraislander]

lmaoooo XD

[@towndarling1618]

I believe that’s due to the rubberbanding on the truck, not necessarily the speed the truck will ever go in the original game.

[@evanmanor7444]

@@towndarling1618 he tried a summersault at the wrong time as well as the rubber banding the truck has lol

[@krisskross7700]

Damn, beat me to it

[@spaghettiking7312]

Noticeably Heroes' physics, but not Heroes' traction.

[@TZMHBT]

True, it's not 100% accurate to Heroes, but it's certainly close.

[@Sovic91]

Keen eye you've got there.

[@MisterTTG]

"But with Heroes physics, you can easily outrun the GUN truck!" "Ouch!"

[@KhaosKontroller]

It's more like Heroes' speed. Heroes' physics would have you uncontrollably running forward after landing.

[@TZMHBT]

You can thank Heroes for having little traction for that.

[@NoNamex1412]

@@TZMHBT i actually really like that

[@RosheenQuynh]

Yup... 😩 Hence why I abuse Fly Formation even in places that it's not required...

[@KrazyLanLo199]

I just jump after I land so I kill that unnecessary momentum

[@Ocarinist_Drew_Gaming]

@@RosheenQuynh Yeah I think the reason they made speed characters so uncontrollable in Heroes was because you had the power/fly characters to switch to when you needed to slow down. But then in Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow feels like a speed character from Heroes, and platforming is a nightmare. They got the physics right in SA1/2. Not sure why they felt the need to reinvent the wheel for later games.

[@SkyeWeeb]

You want a fun ride? Either SADX, SA2, or Heroes with SADX Super Sonic physics.

[@TZMHBT]

Bruh lmao. Maybe in a sequel to this.

[@Blorb12]

Sounds like the opposite of fun, but seems interesting. Lol.

[@CoolPlayersVic]

On all characters too

[@Onaterdem]

OH GOD NO

[@bunthewiser4330]

I played with the Super SADX client/mod, let's you turn into super sonic on-command with 50 rings in the Super Sonic campaign. It was fun

[@skyblade7438]

I think with Heroes they knew you would only be using the Speed chaacters in short sections, so they made their acceleration ridiculously fast to make up for the lack of momentum

[@TheKiddingStar]

Then I wonder what q a testing led to them also making every surface have the same traction as ice

[@paladincomics]

Heroes physics is more like "what if the floor was made of ice"

[@TZMHBT]

This time the ice was salted

[@LightspeedAdventurer]

Imagine if the game had an ice level tho 💀💀💀💀

[@justyumi4410]

Sonic: *Outruns GUN Truck with Heroes physics* *still gets hit*

[@TFD_Animations]

Blame it on human error.

[@Hishunxy]

@@TFD_Animations rubber band mechanics I think

[@TailsTheFox32]

My man playing with the japanese voices, very underrated

[@sirussimon8711]

I always play with Japanese voices

[@David-zr5gh]

@@sirussimon8711 +

[@peachy5454]

These were the best English Voice Actors, colors is when I went to Japanese audio

[@TailsTheFox32]

@@peachy5454 they were for the most part but did you hear Sonic in Sonic Adventure's JP voice and lines? It's so amazing.

[@peachy5454]

@@TailsTheFox32 oh I'm not saying they weren't, in fact they were fantastic, I just love the English cast choices for them in that game and well it's nostalgic for me too

[@jacobmonks3722]

Even to this day I think Sonic Adventure 2 nailed the physics better than any other 3D Sonic game. Obviously they aren't realistic but they're just so fun to utilize.

[@technobecian]

Heroes was the first Boost formula game confirmed

[@AlexxxMYLSince2013]

The special stages had boost

[@lewiedunham4093]

@@AlexxxMYLSince2013 Mind blown

[@BackPalSA]

So, Cybershell was right! It was traction and physics. Interesting...

[@Sonicfalcon16]

If 4 is top speed, SA2 keeps you at a steady 3/4 while heros cant wait to get you to 4

[@SonicSorey]

More like top speed of 10

[@bwareist]

You should do this with Shadow The Hedgehog's (game) speed. If you thought Sonic Heroes was fast, it has nothing on that game

[@zorebas]

Give the truck Heroes physics

[@spimbles]

i always liked the heroes physics more than any other sonic game’s, this is awesome to see. the speed cap is so damn high lmao

[@unlikelyhydra926]

"You can easily outrun the G.U.N Truck" *Gets Hit*

[@chocov1233]

this was interesting and well made. Nicely done.

[@andre.drezus]

"you can easily outrun the GUN truck!" *gets hit more times than before anyways*

[@Oguyaka.]

Yee! Dat 🅱️oi 🅱️onic be gone! 😆 This is a wonderful nostalgia for me, m8; Nice outro music

[@TZMHBT]

I forgot to mention that I didn't make the outro music, SonicFreak did (made this video long ago).

[@Euro.Patriot]

The only adventure memories I have is playing as Knuckles in a place that looked like Rail Canyon in hospital when I was like 5. Always wanted to play the adventure games.

[@Euro.Patriot]

Bought the 2nd for my 19th birthday, hate it. Boring as hell.

[@STAXONDECK1]

This Is a great mod didn’t know people could do this

[@VGLounge]

SA2- *doesn't spindash* "The truck can keep up!" Heroes *Uses spindash several times* "You can easily outrun the truck!" *Gets hit by truck*

[@Alooman64]

"You can easily outrun the truck" as you get hit by it

[@formerlyyaboitom10]

The Moral of The Story: Heroes Physics: *_Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!!_*

[@GregDaWizard]

Heroes has two speeds: Way too fast and dead stop (Im a heroes fan)

[@rickyrodriguez4037]

Is there a way to easily mod the physics, say with an xml file? I love SA2 but I'm curious if the movement could be fine tuned, particularly for sonic/shadow.

[@TZMHBT]

If you search up the Physics Swap mod on Gamebanana, it'll allow you to easily swap the physics, as that's the mod I used for this video, though it's not 100% accurate. I don't currently know if you could modify the physics through a XML file, I'll have to get back to you on that one.

[@STAXONDECK1]

Sonic heroes diagonal movement was terrible I never understood how they messed it up so bad compared to The Adventure games

[@spearmintpony7105]

Some of the Heroes' control issues could possibly blamed on Sony.

[@OmegaSon]

@@spearmintpony7105 how so?

[@matthewmoskovitz7573]

Quick questions since this comment section definitely has the answer. Do sonic and shadow have identical physics in adventure 2 or are there some small differences? Also sick vid

[@TZMHBT]

They're completely identical in Adventure 2.

[@yohschannel5226]

In a way, in sense that Sonic is Slightly morr faster than Shadow when runn8ng straight

[@bichoestranhocomcaudas6543]

"But with heroes physics you can easilly outrun the g.u.n truck" *gets hit by the truck*

[@DarkTails256]

That gun truck got dusted nice also i love playing sonic heroes

[@trentonhamilton645]

0:31 Big the cat walking down a sidewalk.🤣

[@josh_miester_x511]

The Adventure Physics have some build up with speed with the Hero's Physics has no build up and just lets them blast off. No wonder heroes was annoying to play, you're constantly moving fast on small tight platforms where you can easily fall and die.

[@CoriSparx]

Do you know what the name of the outro music is? I knokw DJ SonicFreak made it, but that artist made so many songs that it'd take all day to try and sift through it to find one specific song.

[@TZMHBT]

That beat isn't up on KZbin anymore unfortunately. I'll consider reuploading it privately, or what you could do, is ask the artist if they can reupload the music.

[@TZMHBT]

Here's the link, should work: drive.google.com/file/d/1tsShksNzA_0yuu1ccxz7QGRHsitLO7zj/view?usp=sharing

[@CoriSparx]

@@TZMHBT OMG thanks!

[@jethiliusavalar6449]

I'm confused. I played both games but how is this "physics" if it's just the acceleration and max speed at even ground is increased?

[@TZMHBT]

Multiple values related to ground and air acceleration and speed have been increased to match Sonic Heroes exactly. Adventure games and Heroes use the same engine for gameplay. However traction isn't modified so it's not 100%, which is why it looks like a simple speed increase.

[@Sonic-oh2ly]

At points, the boost panels slow you down using heroes physics...

[@rich4dayz566]

I downloaded the mod but no video on youtube or the internet tells me HOW to swap the characters physics or HOW to use the mod in any way.

[@TZMHBT]

I'll guess I'll teach you briefly. If you have the Physics Swap mod and the SA2 Mod Manager do this. 1. Boot up the SA2 Mod Manager. 2. If you installed the physics mod to the right directory, it'll appear on the Mod Manager menu. Select it and click "Configure". Another menu will appear. 3. Select the character you want to modify with the drop down list; you can swap between SADX, SA2 & Heroes physics. 4. Once you selected what wanted click "save" and the first menu will close. Click "save & play" and the game should boot up with the mod. If you can't understand that, search up how to install mods for SA2.

[@napoleoncomplex2712]

A lack of traction will put you in traction.

[@Sovic91]

Now we've gotta ask the real question. Who is faster. SA2 Eggman or Sonic Heroes Sonic?

[@SpiOfTheShadows]

With SA2 physics truck keeps up. No hit. With Heroes physics you outrun truck. Gets hit by Truck still.

[@kinkykinkles]

The gun truck section was a bit misleading. You weren't spin dashing while showing off the regular physics but you were with "Heroes." Spin dashing in that section with normal physics gets you nearly the same results.

[@TZMHBT]

I admit that looking back. Not going to lie, I didn't expect this video to blow up, or else I would have put actual effort into it. It's the reason I made the SA1 version of this video much more extensive. I initially made this video for the lols back in 2019, but that was a mistake in hindsight.

[@flaregamer64]

When you paint your wall a different hue of paint:

[@preston_gaming6203]

It would be cool if the moves from heroes were added as a mod for SA2

[@ryanr27]

Before: quiet After: *L O U D*

[@thesoupninja9720]

1. Missing heroes always-ice physics 2. Shadow gets furthest away from the truck after he spin dashes and never spin dashes for the rest of the clip but then sonic spin dashes a ton and gets well away from the truck. Just curious to know how much difference the physics really made there without the spin dashes

[@TZMHBT]

1. Physics mod I use doesn't change the traction, so that explains why characters aren't as slippery as they should. 2. Yeah that's a mistake on my part, I've should have let Sonic run normally.

[@felipeazevedo7435]

2:26 Music?

[@altreon3608]

this looks like a fun mod

[@TZMHBT]

With SA2, Heroes physics is fine, just taking used to. In SA1 it's much more erratic

[@nicholaswinslow2574]

Easily outrun the truck....gets slapped

[@ianmoore5502]

How did you interlay the heroes physics into the adventure 2 simulation and renderer

[@TZMHBT]

Mods

[@zac9181]

Sonic Adventure 2: Bad Editon.

[@Floofypan]

Omg the moment I heard Junichi Sonic and Koji Shadow I just pogged and was so happy that I found another person who uses the Japanese language :D

[@Wyrmshield]

I remember sonic wearing that raw meat suit from back in the day

[@TheGrayton2000]

Uuurrrrrppppp

[@rando6677]

So which one would you say is better: SA2 Physics, SA1 Physics , or Heroes Physics

[@AlexisDieDummkopfin]

Imo definitely SA1

[@mrsonicfan21]

What's the name of the outro music?

[@BabzaiWWP]

it says in the desc

[@starrynight2963]

@@BabzaiWWP yeah but it doesn't say the name only who made it

[@starrynight2963]

Fly into Freedom

[@TZMHBT]

It's a hip-hop remix of "Fly Into The Freedom" from Sonic Adventure 2. Here's the link to it: drive.google.com/file/d/1tsShksNzA_0yuu1ccxz7QGRHsitLO7zj/view?usp=sharing

[@julio722]

So, Are Héroes Physics faster than Adventure Physics?

[@TZMHBT]

I mean you should have been able to have seen it from the video... But yes, Heroes is faster by a good amount.

[@ElectrikStatik900]

I really don't like how the speed you gain in Heroes is halted in the air and then instantly picks back up when you land, so you are launched when you basically touch the ground in that game. That's just really annoying.

[@williamstelmar9451]

Sonic heroes physics is how sonic should be all the time

[@Euro.Patriot]

Slippery as fuck, trust me. You don't want that movement, you struggle to go in a straight line and the stick is so sensitive.

[@catsorafgc]

Heroes and the Adventure games run on the same engine? Huh...

[@d_rock1219]

So is this a mod and can you tell me how to install it

[@TZMHBT]

Search up the Physics Swap mod on Gamebanana. Install it like any other mod. Allows you to choose from SA1, SA2 & Heroes physics. Not 100% accurate though.

[@d_rock1219]

@@TZMHBT thanks man

[@JonyPlayz1]

Is there a link for this cool mod ?

[@TZMHBT]

Search up the Physics Swap mod for Sonic Adventure 2 on Gamebanana

[@JonyPlayz1]

Tezmehbot Oh ok thx

[@camelkingclarith]

what if you load a Tails or Knuckles stage with Heroes physics

[@TZMHBT]

It'll use Heroes physics. When you use the Physics Swap mod, you can configure each character to either use their base game physics, or you can modify to use something else. If I were to load Sonic in Mission Street, a Tails level, he would have Heroes physics if I configured him to have it.

[@LunaMinuna]

Sonic adventure 2 but with Sonic generations physics same with vise Versa

[@TZMHBT]

Not sure how that'll work considering 06 onwards uses the Havok Engine.

[@jefferysmith6740]

But didn’t sonic heroes has its own level design that accommodated the physics difference?

[@TZMHBT]

Levels in Heroes were spread out more, and intense platforming was meant to be handled by the Flight characters as they were slower.

[@jefferysmith6740]

@@TZMHBT exactly, I thought this was a video to bash on heroes’es physics.

[@TZMHBT]

@@jefferysmith6740 Even though I'm not a fan of Heroes, I wouldn't say its physics are bad; just not as tight as the Adventure games.

[@dalaxdercrisper957]

But your characters don't run as slippery in ice

[@Icedragon01234]

Me an average Sonic gamer: *What physics?*

[@gabrielwalker421]

seems to lack the slipperiness of sonic heroes

[@minakohiashi8882]

0:55. Sonic's kick attck being useless

[@BakedBanana]

oh?

[@Rex67Diego9]

why not instead, sonic heroes with adventure physics eh eh eh

[@TZMHBT]

That would require me to play Heroes which is something I'm not willing to do

[@beanmchocolate3900]

Sonic heroes is faster than SADX which is faster than SA2 which is faster than S 06, which is only slightly faster than werehog, which is slightly faster than Jam. 🥴 I don’t know why I had to point that out.

[@TZMHBT]

You mean at a glance? Pretty sure SA1 & SA2 have the same speed though.

[@beanmchocolate3900]

@@TZMHBT 1 always seemed faster to me. Less of a reliance on slopes for speed. I think someone played through emerald coast in 2, and it definitely seemed slower with 2’s physics.

[@KiraSlith]

Heroes' physics kinda led into the long-running Boost to Win issue... The short of it is, Sega got mixed messages on Heroes and '06 from the split fan base and they concluded people liked Sonic being all about going ludicrously fast.

[@amandaclaireon4065]

You wanna feel the true power of chaos ? Why not play sonic adventure 2 with sonic 06 physics lmfao

[@shoeshiner9314]

Basically unplayable lmao. I'll never be able to beat sonic heroes

[@thesonicspeed]

You are aware the other characters have different properties

[@GodyN64]

Heroes physics only fit in heroes and his level design, in other games it becames lame

[@alfo2804]

As demonstrated here, you can tell Heroes is a shit game just from the fact that they had to hamfistedly justify the three different types of character. Instead of building the game around the different abilities provided by each archetype and having said abilities all naturally complement the core gameplay, they just slapped on a load of artificial additions that just bog down the gameplay. Enemies have health bars to justify the power characters; the speed characters are inconveniently fast and accelerate far too quickly; the flight characters are actually decent but they're never used for anything meaningful. And of course, there's a shitload of arbitrary obstacles that bring the gameplay to a complete halt, can only be interacted with using a specific character, and do nothing but stop your progress until you do the extremely specific thing that you have to do.

[@TZMHBT]

I'm really impressed a poorly made 3 minute video could demonstrate all that lol

[@alfo2804]

@@TZMHBT I watched the sequel - much better and far more informative. The spreadsheet shows they literally just jacked up all of the Speed characters' movement values for no reason.

[@TZMHBT]

@@alfo2804 That makes sense lmao. I agree that the devs shouldn't have drastically changed the physics of some characters to force you to the main gimmicks of the game, though it's a decent concept that could have been better with more development.

[@alfo2804]

@@TZMHBT Oh, yeah, it's a good concept, it's just that it would require more than just plopping three characters into a regular Sonic level with some arbitrary obstacles added to make it feel like you're doing something. If executed properly, Heroes could have been great - and that's why I really don't like it. The game wasted its potential.

[@BlueEyedVibeChecker]

Not quite heroes physics cause in heroes, if you land while moving forward, especially near to an edge, you always zoomed over th-

[@thetreyceratops2242]

Alternate title: Sonic Adventure 2 but bad

[@TZMHBT]

Isn't that everything that isn't the speed levels? Jk I know SA2 isn't bad but I just don't like the treasure hunting or the mech stages

[@moondustryan1561]

Ye3s because Heroes has trash physics

[@chriswilson97]

These aren't Heroes physics, you just made them run faster.

[@TZMHBT]

Search up the Physics Swap mod for Sonic Adventure 2 and you'll see what I mean.

[@waifu_png_pl6854]

i heard heroes and the adventure games are quite similar in that regard with quite a bit of code shared between them. but in heroes sonics speed has been doubled

[@TZMHBT]

@@waifu_png_pl6854 The Adventure games and Heroes use the same engine overall, which what allows us to even swap out as we please. Though one thing that I should have mentioned in this video is how traction is looser in Heroes than SA1 and SA2.

[@godhimself1128]

im pretty sure this video specifically features the acceleration physics of Heroes while still keeping SA2's traction

[@TZMHBT]

@@godhimself1128 This basically. I explained it better in my Sonic Adventure 1 version.