Sonic CD is Conflicting

[@dandyspacedandy]

counterpoint on the super peel out: ... it looks _really_ cool.

[@spontman]

it's impossible for me to dispute this

[@vincentadamsvga]

@@spontman It's main problem is also somewhat resolved in Sonic Chaos and Triple Trouble through an upgraded version called the Strike Dash that has invincibility for a few seconds after releasing it. Unfortunately it seems like that addition didn't ever return outside of those two titles.

[@HelperUnknownGB]

⁠​⁠@@vincentadamsvgaI loved the Strike Dash in Triple Trouble! If only the Genesis games had it.

[@evdestroy4121]

iIrc the peel out is actually super nerfed in the remasters. The Sega CD version's peel out is insanely fast.

[@Myth_or_Mystery76]

It helps maintain momentum over flat surfaces better, because you're running instead of rolling.

[@Cableguy15]

Sonic CD was developed in Japan while Sonic 2 was made around the same time but finished sooner by US-based STI. That's why CD doesn't go with the level design concepts and spin dash of 2 even though it came out after. It's another example of Sega of Japan and Sega of America not communicating well, but I like how it turned out. CD feels like a unique mix of the first two games with a cool time travel mechanic added in.

[@evdestroy4121]

The Sonic 2 and CD teams actually did frequently share ideas during development

[@SurfRay]

it's also why there's no Super Sonic and Sonic uses his Sonic 1 sprite. (It also happens before Sonic 2 story-wise apparently)

[@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments]

​@@SurfRayI mean technically Super Sonic happens from the Chaos Emeralds. In CD they are the time stones.

[@josuebarba9361]

@@SurfRay Which is stupid for a lot of reasons.

[@SurfRay]

@@josuebarba9361 what part of it is stupid?

[@reshawshid]

You're the first person I've ever heard say they prefer the JP soundtrack without having to say that the US one is bad. I appreciate that. As for the peelout, though, its benefit is that you can maintain speed with it whereas the spindash has a decaying speed rate over time, if you don't have downward slopes. That doesn't make it much more useful in a game where they focus on verticality though.

[@amyshypotato2137]

US soundtrack is also pretty good...But the US boss theme, Jesus Christ. ;_;

[@reshawshid]

@@amyshypotato2137 Yeah I'll definitely say that was a bit much lol They had to have known they were making nightmare fuel, right?

[@memroyleak]

@@reshawshidi’m pretty sure they were given direction to be as menacing as possible to present the idea of robotnik being a threat. while ruining a handful of childhoods

[@CircleFly]

@@reshawshid It fit a couple of the boss fights pretty well though, especially Tidal Tempast's boss. It was a pretty menacing theme though.

[@reshawshid]

​@@CircleFly I mean I guess, but I certainly wasn't expecting something that felt as m@lic!0us and tw!st3d as that of C0rps3 P@rty. Censoring because apparently those words are making KZbin hide my comments.

[@MeowcatsAndFriends]

Sonic CD is my favorite Sonic game. I feel like it has a really nice blend of speed and exploration.

[@MrJamesshipman]

Min to. I love sonic cd i still play it today.

[@shellder_gaming]

i agree

[@Green_Pix-L]

Mine too.

[@DoctorReflux]

same

[@RadikAlice]

I often can't decide whether I like it or 3 & Knuckles more, but I always lean more towards CD

[@whact]

9:29 the thing about the super peel out is that it lets you run at constant speed for more time than the spin dash, since you're not rolling, you won't slowly lose speed when going through flat ground or an upwards ramp (though there aren't a lot of moments like this in sonic cd so it is kinda useless)

[@danhackney8652]

I played a version of this game that wasn't mentioned in the intro: namely, the PC version. That very well may expose my age, lol.

[@playbossthebest936]

Which was the version they ported for the gems collection. It wasn't bad for the time!

[@borederlands5387]

I still love sonic cd, it's just so weird and mysterious next to sonic 2 and 3 which i've played so much as a kid that i feel like i've memorized them at this point

[@AlexYardZone]

I've heard good things about this video, and I'm actually be going to do a livestream segment on Wednesday reacting to it, should be really fun! Details are on my community page, don't mean to plug lol but just wanted to let you know.

[@blackwhole3389]

i saw youre community post and founded the chad whose making Sonic CD videos. love it

[@spontman]

@AlexYardZone Thanks for taking the time to watch and react. Because I missed the actual stream, and because I'm not sure where else to comment, I'll just put my thoughts here. - I understand it might have been confusing that I said I played the game "3 times for this video", but I had played the game multiple times LONG before I made this. I'm no speedrunner, but I have plenty of experience with the game and by no means was I going into this as a new player. - Sure, many Sonic fans already know the background info, but I also make these videos with non-fans in mind so that anyone can enjoy them (including my friends/relatives who don't know the first thing about Sonic). And no offense, but you did keep skipping through sections where I did make commentary, especially in the presentation section, because you assumed that they were summaries when they weren't. - It drove me a little crazy that you kept pausing and commenting on what you perceived to be my critiques before hearing out the full thought in context. - You seemed to assume that my comment on levels potentially either being too speed-oriented or too compact, affecting the time travel, was a genuine problem I had and not just a hypothetical. The reason I'm making a point of this here is because you seemed to have an overall negative perception of the video because of that comment. It was meant to be a segue into the section where I talk about the actual level design, but I suppose I didn't communicate that very well. I rarely if ever had a problem with accidental time travel; I just wanted to bring up the possibility before examining the levels themselves. - And finally, no, I'm not trying to sound like KingK. This is just genuinely how I talk. That said, he, along with other YTers like Cybershell and Nerrel, did show me that someone with a naturally monotone voice doesn't have to try to play up fake inflections/emotions to make entertaining content. However, I don't make any attempt to copy their style, I just read the script out loud in my own voice. I've seen people bring up all kinds of people/characters that I apparently sound like (including Bob from Bob's Burgers lmao), but I promise it's just me. Apologies for the long comment. I hope this doesn't come across as too negative. I do sincerely appreciate that you took the time to critique my video, and hope you'll consider giving my future content a chance. Thanks again.

[@AlexYardZone]

@@spontman Thanks so very much for being such a good sport, it was very fun to discuss your video, even if I got prickly a couple of times lol. And yeah, sorry if I skipped some actual points of commentary beyond summary, maybe my rationalization for some skips is so that I didn’t too-heavily abuse fair use lol. But it’s not good if the video isn’t represented 100% authentically. And yeah, reacting in the moment is sometimes just spontaneous and that must have been frustrating if there were subsuquent points relevant to what I was responding to. Heck, I had a comment on the “25% of Sonic 3” video the other day that was like, “Omg, how can you say Sonic 3 is not exactly the most replayable game?” When that’s a first-section hypothesis that gets debunked throughout the entire video. As far as the summaries of game features and background info, I guess the main thing to point out is that if someone’s going to watch a video about Sonic CD that has 10,000 views, they’ve probably already watched a bunch of videos that have over 100,000 and outlined the basic facts at long length. As for simultaneously catering to friends and family, yeah, it’s a cost/benefit calculation when there are multiple total minutes of content explanations aimed only at

[@D-DuckShorts]

The US Final Boss theme is literally just the regular boss theme with extra sounds to horrify you with nightmares.

[@madekillasam1553]

looks like somebody got jebaited!

[@D-DuckShorts]

@madekillasam1553 lil bro i made this comment like 5 months ago

[@madekillasam1553]

@@D-DuckShorts well you got jabaited 5 months ago

[@D-DuckShorts]

Nah

[@D-DuckShorts]

JK

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

I like how you brought up how completely pointless the Super Peel Out is.

[@ShaimingLong]

The Peel Out did have a point in the original. The actual classic games have a mechanic where you have much less air control when jumping while rolling - as in you can only slow down slightly at best when jumping while rolling. When you jump when running, you can fully stop your momentum and even turn around and start going the opposite direction. For a game about exploring, while difficult jumps to make, the Peel Out allows you to make high jumps off ramps and actually control yourself in the air. The old Drop Dash "bug" in Origins is actually this mechanic not being understood, and Sega had to go and specifically break it so people can change direction chaining drop dashes due to all the complaints. It's *that* which has made the Peel Out appear to be useless. It's original existence was super helpful.

[@esmooth919]

​@@ShaimingLongbe that as it may, even in the original Sega CD version, i found the move superfluous. The only reason it was useful for me was because of the gimped spindash. If Sonic CD had the Sonic 2 spindash in the original version, the super peel-out would get neglected with the quickness.

[@ShaimingLong]

@@esmooth919 Again, that's not the point of the Peel Out vs the Spin Dash. It's not about the speed, it's about the control. The Sonic 2 Spin Dash doesn't have the air control when jumping from it. If you only look at it as a lamer version of the spin dash, then you're missing the point of it's existence.

[@Nextliar]

Also, the spindash is only acceleration, you lose speed overtime as you are in a ball. With the peel out, you don't, all the acceleration is also speed

[@liltoad9050]

Yeah when ever i play the original i just roll into a ball after using it

[@xycord2770]

8:52 Sonic 2 and Sonic CD started development at the same time. 9:45 This is a poor example of the Super Peel Out. You can clearly see that you killed all of your speed by jumping into that upwards slope.

[@ECartmanist]

The US soundtrack is a bit underrated, love the Quartz Quadrant theme

[@ClapperSfromMOOEYBUENO]

THANK YOU!! I first played it last month and I said to myself “everyone that hates the US version just to uplift the JP ver must lowkey hate the Adventure soundtracks” cause QQ literally sounds like Eggman’s levels and sound design in SA1

[@TheGoldNShadow]

I love the future variants too! I love how they’re extremely similar, yet both make you feel completely different feelings! It’s really clever and shows what a simple key change can do! Also Stardust Speedway’s Good Future in the US version is HEAVENLY

[@abaddon1503]

@@ClapperSfromMOOEYBUENO I hate US Quartz Quadrant Present cause it sounds nothing like its future variants (both of which sound really cool and I like them more than JP) and sounds incredibly generic and boring. That said Tidal Tempest, Wacky Workbench, and Stardust Speedway are the most consistently good of the US ost imo

[@Vmac1394]

Stardust Speedway bad future US is amazing.

[@robertlupa8273]

@@Vmac1394 Stardust Speedway US is amazing. Period. All 3 non-Past themes are just... _mwah!_ Perfect.

[@orangeiris64]

YIPPEE!! BIRTHDAY VIDEO! THANKS SPONTMAN!

[@-oldhope-]

he did that just for you 🦅🇺🇸

[@Nakihashi]

Aw shit, it's my birthday too! Thanks Spontman!🎉

[@seematahir5970]

SO refreshing to hear someone praising the US soundtrack

[@user-tz6yd7dw5b]

No way! Sonic's Christmas Dinner was my favorite in the franchise. I loved the part when Eggman captured Sonic and ate the hedgehog for Christmas Dinner

[@jbhamham3754]

I go back and forth on whether Sonic CD or Sonic 3 (standalone) is my favorite Sonic game, I love them both a lot, both do a good job with exploration, both have great special stages, and both have amazing music, regardless of which soundtrack you choose. You just really can’t go wrong with either IMO

[@SonicCDspeedrunArchives]

For decades I felt the same as you. Until I discovered the pure depth of Sonic CDs level design and got to experience how much faster it is than Sonic 3 (and faster than 2); that pushed CD to the top of the list. Sonic 3 still holds a really good place in my heart, in a way that S&K doesn't.

[@jarlwhiterun7478]

S3&K is 10/10 Sonic CD is 6/10

[@SonicCDspeedrunArchives]

​@@jarlwhiterun7478 Except you can play Sonic CD like it's Sonic Unleashed, and you can't play S3&K like it's Sonic Unleashed.

[@zetafish7347]

As someone who prefers the Japanese soundtrack, its refreshing to see someone not completely shit on the US soundtrack in the process. I feel like many JP fans have this superiority conplex that because the US is different that its automatically bad. Like I guarantee you most of these people haven't listened to anything except Sonic Boom and the creepy boss music. Some US tracks I would argue are better than their Japan counterparts. For example, Tidal Tempest Bad Future. I like both, but the US version feels more fitting for the level whereas the Japanese version sounds nothing like its other variants and sounds more fortress-esque. As for getting the good ending, you mentioned the level design is why you don't go for special stages, but its actually why I do personally. I feel like looking for generators can be very tedious, especially considering some of their bs placements, like that one where you need to deliberately crush yourself (like seriously sega wtf). For me its easier to collect the time stones like in any traditional Sonic game.

[@Chillipeffer]

HIGHLY recommend Sonic CD Miracle Edition. It's a mod for the decompilation for the 2011 port of Sonic CD and not only adds quality of life changes from the 2013 ports, but loads of customisation and a pseudo-super form. Best way to travel Little Planet, imo.

[@KyngD469]

This is my dream version of CD. I love this mod. The special edition to his super form is so good too.

[@pauloricardosilvaabreu8542]

Your analysis was incredible, you didn't shit all over the game because "it has a bad level design" or just quoted only the music and aesthetically beautiful stages ignoring the often bad and confunsing level design, but some thing I think you didn't notice is that from QQ to forward, the game maybe try to punish you with WW and MM having a more horizontal and counterintuitive level design because you didn't get the time stones to have automatically a good future, and thats also why in the start of this zones there are future signs instead of past signs, for you to go easily to the good future(if you have collected the time stones).

[@CSL32X]

I love Sonic CD surprisingly in fact I think it’s the second best classic game behind 3 ofc. This game just oozes charm with graphics, music, and those especially those animations. As someone who draws a lot I love the art style and have tried replicating it many times. Anyway aside from that the platforming approach of the game is something that doesn’t turn me away it’s what I love about the game and so does the time traveling I think it’s actually neat especially after mastering the locations. Also I think the special stages are ok they’re definitely good but still compared to others I wouldn’t call it “peak”. Sonic CD is an awesome time and definitely deserves more credit than people give it. Another great review dude, keep it up!

[@Godzilla30801]

You think CD is better than Sonic 2? Interesting. Sonic 2 has always been the holy grail for me lol.

[@nopenope7509]

@@Godzilla30801 Sonic 2 is a good game but CD is definitely better in terms of gameplay zone design and even world-building.

[@Godzilla30801]

@@nopenope7509 I definitely don’t agree that it has better level design. Sonic 2 level design is peak except for Metropolis.

[@nopenope7509]

@@Godzilla30801I would say CD has much superior level design. It has the same speedy sections and meticulous platforming of Sonic 2, but there is just much more routes, content, and design that compliments the gameplay of the time mechanic.

[@Godzilla30801]

@@nopenope7509 You’re entitled to your opinion of course :) Collision Chaos, Wacky Workbench and Metallic Madness just suck in my experience though. Just annoying to play and explore. Other levels are pretty damn good though I will say.

[@rococo0125]

Sonic CD was my first Sonic game! We had it on the PC in the late 90s when I was about 4 years old so I didn't know that it wasn't widely known until years later! I still have the disc and it was the US soundtrack even though I'm in the UK. The game is super nostalgic for me, although truthfully it's not one I go back to very often since it's hard lol

[@ShaimingLong]

Something that people seem to miss about the classic games, jumping while rolling greatly reduces your air control. For a game focused on exploration, being able to do the peel out into a jump on a ramp lets you better control where you're going. *That* is the purpose for the peel out, not higher speed for higher vulnerability, because it's obvious you can peel out straight into a roll. The Origins drop dash 'bug' is a result of that reduced air control when jumping while rolling. Specifically, you can't stop your forward momentum or change direction when jumping from a roll, only slow down. If you jump while *running* right, you can stop moving forward while jumping and even start moving left. People whined about it so much, Sega had to break a core classic gameplay element to satisfy their inability to figure that difference in jumping, in doing so made the peel out pointless. So in the current Origins jumping from a roll is no different to jumping while running, all so people can change the drop dash direction.

[@S9W8N8S1S]

Oh no my friend, you are terribly mistaken. Your point about the peel out and spindash being differentiated by the Roll Jump Control Lock™ is in fact *entirely fabricated* as the control lock never existed in Sonic CD to begin with. Sonic CD is the only classic game that does not include the Roll Jump Control Lock™! Yes, Sonic 1, 2, 3&K all include the control lock when jumping out of a roll. However, Sonic CD *never did* , not in the original Sega CD version, or the 2011 version.

[@ShaimingLong]

@@S9W8N8S1S Strangely I was already corrected and I replied back after checking my original copy confirming my error. I have no idea where those replies have gone, but yes it's the only original game with the locked pinball jump completely absent. Which is somewhat unusual since it removes the peel outs potential best reason to exist beyond the cool factor.

[@Godzilla30801]

Great video as always! Really loved to hear your take on this one. It’s always been my least favorite of the classic Sonic games, but also the most interesting.

[@CookieTime1170]

I love Sonic CD it is my favourite classic Sonic game hands down! Mostly because of the replayability it has, I love the time travel, and different level themes, I love the special stages, I love the music and just all the ideas it brings to the table, it is a shame that there was never a true follow up to it…however I disagree on the super peel out being useless, it just has a lot of limitations compared to the spin dash and actually looks really freaking sic!

[@Doobie-kx8fk]

Irony in it having limitations when Sonic becomes harder to control while rolling. I think the "problem" with the Super Peel Out is that people find it too similar to the spin dash that it makes any of the differences it has irrelevant. The more I think about it, the Peel Out is more of a preference than it is "useless."

[@CookieTime1170]

@@Doobie-kx8fk yeah I can agree with that but I think it being similar to the spin dash was almost the point, where it could be a risk vs reward system kinda thing…however that is kinda downed by the fact that you can roll into a ball after using the super peel out to protect yourself so you gotta point there, still looks cool tho.

[@appliedatoms7066]

I highly recommend checking out what modders have done with the USST. There are plenty of unofficial past mixes that are pretty good. It's also worth noting that some of the reason for this game feeling so different from Sonic 2 is that Sonic Team split up after the first game. Half of them went to the Sega Technical Institute in America, and they made Sonic 2, while the ones that stayed in Japan made Sonic CD. That's why there are two speed-boosting moves and why the spindash is different -- Sonic CD copied it from 2.

[@professoryeetus8955]

subscribed for the nice voice and positive vibes 🙏 also, i was the kinda player to try to get through the level as quickly as possible ^^; for some reason i never felt like committing to collecting chaos emeralds/time stones in any of the games

[@DeltaNova47]

Sonic CD was my first Sonic game specifically the mobile version, I remember being frustrated by it and powering through a lot it but I do remember it fondly and fun it still even If I also have issues with it.

[@AaronGeo]

The soundtrack is epic, both JP and US 👌👌Especially Quartz Quadrant good future

[@mechajabo]

There was also a pc release on Win95 which is how I originally played it. I was very different at the time but I'll always remember it fondly. Only regret is not playing it with the JP OST

[@cinnamondan4984]

Sonic CD is the Sonic game that got me into 2D Sonic. Bought Mega Collection after discovering the Adventure series in 2002. Originally the Genesis games didn’t connect with me. My friend gave me a Sega CDX and Sonic CD and everything changed. Love the vibes of that game.

[@toastwsauce]

Came on here to say that your thumbnails are golden. The way in which you make you thumbnails is pretty unique, with how it almost looks like the texts is stretched out, and splayed across the thumbnails. Very 2000's inspired YT thumbnail format tbh, and I am loving the look of it. Also, your videos are very polished. Love your voice, and love how you construct your videos. Very simple, very nice. 👌👌👌Keeping doing what you're doing dude, cause your work on this platform is solid. 👌👌👌🙏🙏🙏

[@createprince2093]

I guess these days I listen to the JP tracks much more frequently, but I grew up with the US ost without even knowing the JP one existed. I had the US ost burned onto a CD as a kid, and I have great memories playing that CD over and over. coming home to my room on a sunny afternoon after school, busting out my GI Joes and xmen toys while the sonic CD ost played… good times

[@Nextliar]

I like the super peelout, you gain with it actual speed and not only acceleration as with the spindash. In spindash you loos speed overtime as a ball. Also you have less control of the jumps.

[@AstroTibs]

I always thought "past" was distant, primordial past; and "good future" was nature and technology coexisting harmoniously.

[@SonicCDspeedrunArchives]

I'm honestly wondering what you think of my Sonic CD trailers Spontman. (damn I sound like a kid leaving comments like this but SonicTubers are hard to talk to in a professional setting)

[@YouTubeCensors]

6:20 that and the fact i HATE the Japanese intro but LOVE Sonic Boom is why the USA soundtrack is superior to me. Im grateful we got the Changes even though i didn't know it because i can say with certainty I'd have hated the Japanese songs IF we had gotten that version.

[@ssg-eggunner]

5:47 fact: the sega cd soundchip is actually better than the super famicom's since its sample ram doesn't take drivers or pattern data, which allows more room for samples

[@fictionalmediabully9830]

"Sonic CD" is alright. It's not for me, but it can be fun. Also, Toot Toot Sonic Warrior SLAPS!

[@Lumiesfinetoo]

i mean the actual song title is “You can do anything” but whatever i agree

[@Ratmus1]

Yeah the animation and slow down on the intro scene as well as the special stage was bad on the sega CD, but you didn't know any better back then.

[@mattb6522]

Good video! Sonic CD is one of my favorite Sonic games! I like the added exploration even if the level design isn't quite as good as Sonic 1, 2, 3 (& Knuckles) on the Genesis/Mega Drive. The soundtrack is awesome as well (both versions). To me, it is quite underrated and I'm glad there are plenty of ways to play it now on modern hardware!

[@FrenzyFanboy]

Despite the games flaws I still enjoy playing this game (and your review of it is really a breath of fresh air). Can’t wait for your review on Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

[@CassietheReal]

Good video! Honestly it makes me want to play through CD again, maybe I'll like it more than my first playthrough. This game's vibes are immaculate. 1:24 it's allowed but they would both be better off as colons or em dashes, as neither of them are really places you would put a comma. The second one could also be replaced by parentheses around the part explaining the playthroughs, although I think a colon or em dash would work better.

[@AngryCalvin]

I bought my baby sister The Sonic Collection on CD-ROM as a Christmas present back in the day. She absolutely loved it and still loves Sonic games to this day. She really liked Sonic CD. I used to collect the Sega CD games when they were on the PC. Sonic CD was something that was really cool to see on store displays. The animated cutscenes and the background scrolling and graphics were jaw dropping at the time. Glad I was able to get it on Steam when I bought the Genesis Collection. Sega CD games are not all that accessible.

[@Sly88Frye]

I'm glad I was introduced to your channel with this video. It showed up in my recommendations and this was really well made. The first time I was ever aware of Sonic CD it was when I played Sonic Mega collection on the GameCube back in like 2003 or something. In the archives of the game menus or whatever you can find cutscenes from Sonic CD and some other information about it. This is coming from somebody who grew up in the '90s and actually played the classic Sonic games for the Genesis. I was actually more into Super Nintendo than Genesis but I liked playing both consoles. Same thing when it comes to the N64 I preferred the N64 but I did enjoy playing both the N64 and the PS1. I was aware of the Sega Saturn back then but it seemed like it was kind of short-lived and my family never got one. I do wish I had gotten Sonic gems collection for the GameCube. I remember seeing it at GameStop once I forget how far back this was but I saw it there some time ago and I didn't bother to get it. I was curious but I ultimately decide to save my money and I never saw it again. It's not like I would have been broke if I actually bought it right then and there but I just was being conservative with my spending and decided not to get it. I sort of regretted that until recently. I forget when but years ago I did play Sonic CD for the first time by downloading some kind of demo to my phone. This was even before Sonic mania came out. But when I finally ultimately played through Sonic CD from beginning to end That was after I got Sonic Origins plus on my switch and okay well I didn't really exactly play through it the original way I played as knuckles.😂 But hey I was basically going by what the accomplishment said I needed to do in order to unlock a poster. Play as Amy and Sonic 1 and play as knuckles in Sonic CD.😂 Sonic CD was a fun game. I mean I have a lot more experience with the other classic Sonic games and even have a lot more experience with Sonic mania but yes Sonic CD was fun my first time playing through the whole thing

[@Samicom_YT]

Sonic CD is so odd to me, but i think that's why it's always remained my favorite. i remember discovering it through SomeCallMeJohnny's old SGB Review videos, and finding out there was a Classic Sonic game i've never heard of really intrigued me i then played the Christian Whitehead version and just fell in love with the game. something about its aura is so odd but cool, and despite the big issues with the game i can't bring myself to not replay it. out of every classic game, it's definitely the one i replay the most idk how else to phrase it aside from i really love the game lol

[@icebough4191]

Sonic CD had a PC release in the 90s Your history is missing some info

[@AngryCalvin]

A decent number of Sega games were released on CD-ROM. The Sonic Collection he mentioned included Sonic CD which I believe was sold as a jewel case. Sega games were quite accessible for the PC. I collected a few. Actually regret not keeping them or buying more of them because they ran for really cheap.

[@thekillernacho]

My main gripe about its design is how the gameplay loop treats the Bad Future as an obstacle to only be interacted with when making a mistake, despite those variants often being the most interesting ones gameplay-wise (in addition to their soundtrack variants). As I got better with the game and learned its levels, I found I wasn't entering them much at all... which seemed like a shame. I almost feel like Bad Future should've been the initial state of each stage just to ensure the player can explore & experience each variant (although I get how needing to find two signposts to eliminate a generator could get tedious).

[@SpiderKnife1]

enjoyed your review and wanna highlight a small but effective addition to your video with the music you chose throughout. Felt accurate for the era when the genre was very present and was a real pleasant listen alongside your narration. Top job!

[@toastednoodle60]

You can't hide Professor Pickle In the thumbnail and have me not notice it.

[@WayPastCool-v4n]

0:30 That was until 3 years later in '96 where Sonic CD was released for the Sega PC

[@PKGangsta18]

If only yall were there for this game's release like I was. I got it back in 1994 (got the Sega CD cheap from Funcoland when I was 10 specifically for Sonic CD). It's my 2nd fav Sonic game of all time. Now I only play it with the Japanese soundtrack on PC

[@iangoldie6396]

I'm used to the EU version which also shares the Japanese soundtrack. In hindsight the J soundtrack sounds more like something you'd expect from SoR I think I prefer the US version, seems more appropriate to the game

[@kingmiller1982]

How did Doctor Robotnic take the backseat to Dr. Eggman to every youtuber is beyond me.

[@spontman]

because it's the same guy

[@TheGunmanChannel]

I've never liked the slow start to sonic games, I actually liked the American soundtrack better.

[@ubercomrade]

Sonic CD is the best Sonic Game since Fighters Megamix

[@MrJamesshipman]

Sonic cd is my favorite sonic game. I still play it today.

[@Absolynth]

Only tried CD last few days after avoiding it for 30 years lol The one thing I like the most about it, is something that isn't directly stated but can be inferred, that being Sonic actually witnessing a potential future where Robotniks reign has been fully realized via the time travel. I think that serves nicely as motivation for Sonics character going into Sonic 2.

[@joeda900]

7:50 Actually, the final boss music for the US Soundtrack is SLIGHTLY different unlike the Japanese version that made a totally original track. So they're not using an exact 1:1 version of the boss theme but I can understand the confusion

[@playbossthebest936]

The Japanese version has an exclusive track for the final boss, doesn't it?

[@joeda900]

@@playbossthebest936 Yeah I don't know how I made this slip up

[@robertlauncher]

The soundtracks are a toss up for me. The Present themes I mostly think the Japanese version wins on, but not without some great and even better US tracks. I prefer the US disco for Whacky Workbench over the messy sounding techno in the Japanese version, and Palmtree Panic Present is neck-and-neck. The futures in general are a lot more clear cut. The Japanese version’s upbeat pop adds a festive element for the Good Futures, and the US’ atmospheric rock is delightfully demented sounding in the Bad Futures. I like doing one Bad Future playthrough with the US ost and then a Good Future one with the Japanese.

[@ssg-eggunner]

2:10 atleast the colors look better than the 2011 version In fact, the in the original CD version actually matches the colors of the original cels!

[@Aristocles22]

CD was clearly an attempt to make a more mature game without alienating the existing fanbase. The present, past, and good future are a robot rumpus, but the bad future is a robot holocaust.

[@battman505]

Playing the homebrew 3ds port which has 3d support is a great time.

[@LunaceroGames]

I disagree with the idea that the game was obscure prior to the Whitehead port; it was popular among fans long before then. Sonic Gems Collection sold over 1 million copies and became part of the Gamecube's Player's Choice collection. And a PC port from 1996 that wasn't mentioned was how I first discovered the game. Great video though. Sonic CD is overall greater than the sum of its parts.

[@jewelsunniheartsfitnessanime]

I like the drum and bass playlist you use for this sonic commentary and Sonic CD peel out animation with sonic boost and homing attack in one 2D game would make an amazing alternate timeline sonic game made by sega

[@clowndraco]

With the super peel out you loose less speed than the roll so on long distances(inexistant in CD but still worth mentioning) or running up walls its better

[@schollym]

Why don't you have more subscribers? This is such a good video!

[@Benjawin6671]

when I played this game as a kid I thought it was amazing. Like I used to think it was a top 2 Sonic game. I still like the game and when I go back and replay the classics I never skip out on it. I just don't think it's the masterpiece that I once thought it was.

[@shewolfcub3]

Really its like the community flipped; prior to about 2015 or so it was a beloved game that was constantly ranked among the best games, then scottthewoz made a video on it and opinions kind of shifted. I will always be on the side that loves this game.

[@erwinljungberg6318]

In my opinion Sonic Cd isn't the best sonic game itself but Sonic Cd is probably top 3 for the whole sonic series Sonic Cd shows what sonic should be and what the music stages and themes could be aswell even tho the game can be weird with it's music and atmosphere especally the boss fights I steal feel like the soundtrack overall is legendary the game overall ha's such a high potential that its not even funny the game just ha's that good atmosphere to it and I bealive "the perfect sonic game" could take some elements from Sonic Cd in order to be the best

[@-oldhope-]

YESSSS SPONTMAN TIME OUGH YEAH OH YEAH WOO YEAH WOO TIME YEAH YEAH WOO YEAH WOO OUGH WOO WOO AHHH

[@alphetti4348]

Is it weird that cd’s visual style reminds me of dragon ball weirdly enough? to me the JP ost fits the VIBE of the stages While the US ost fits the THEME of the game

[@AstroTibs]

Sonic CD was developed independently to Sonic 2. Neither spin dash had a "predecessor." Also, the 3D games' versions operated the way they did because you couldn't hold the down button. The only sensible solution is a single held button, which is coincidentally like CD's.

[@Augestein]

I'd say that the series did return back to more exploration based stuff with Sonic. Knuckles stuff in Sonic Adventure is pretty close to that.

[@The_Real_Raidou]

I really don’t think the super peel out was ever pointless. I prefer it to the spinach because it’s a commitment and you don’t know what’s gonna happen. It has the best rival, the best music, and my favorite level design. Still the best 2d sonic game in my opinion.

[@robertlupa8273]

8:40 Wait, "spam the jump button to charge up the move"? _(loads up an online emulator)_ *HOLY CRAP!* I had no idea it worked like this. I thought you just had to hold the jump button while crouching to charge it up (or that you couldn't charge it up and it had a fixed "strength"). Thank goodness I only played through the first two acts of Emerald Hill.

[@uniqueflowsnake]

11:44 I hope The Time Being appreciates your tribute.

[@maroon9273]

Sonic gems collection is the first time I played sonic cd. This my fourth favorite sonic game. Sonic mania, sonic 3 and knuckles is peak stage level/sprite designs.

[@MrJamesshipman]

I mixed the USA and JP sound track. So I just get my favorite tracks.

[@smhsophie]

i think it would be cool if the super peel out was like twice as fast as the spin dash, and you couldn’t just roll after it, so it’s a huge risk for some really high speed

[@anacoda8]

Very nice video and very good explanation on this great game. Just one thing only. Check again the use of the Super Peel Out on the original Sega CD and the differences on the jump after the use of both of them. You will see some differences on the momentum. Once again great video 👍

[@masturch33f66]

JP Quartz Quadrant good future’s track is so beautiful

[@RadikAlice]

Funny you described the US soundtrack that way, because it reminded me of what it feels like to me We all know Nakamura composed the first two games like a movie score yeah? That's how I describe it. And that's funny to say now that we have an entire Sonic movie series, but man. It would've been absolute magic if Howard Drossin scored them, cus yeah. He's doing film scores after retiring from VGM Speaking of VGM, wish the US one had a wide release like the JP one (It's on Spotify ffs!) The "mistakes on purpose" bit was funny too, good video!

[@jayswithjam8754]

Ngl if I did the time travel mechanic, I would've had the structure reflected more of the different style of gameplay along with having a more 3&K zone structure. For example, I would've had just the present and past be the 1st act with the present being more Sonic 2 in gameplay style and the past be the exploration part of the game with the futures being the whole 2nd act you must go through with the bad future being a speed platform hellscape while the opposite being gimmicky with your speed and platforming

[@Da_Homie_Don]

So glad someone cares about the US ost

[@KyngD469]

CD is peak fiction. Classic Hero's Journey Exceptional music so much so that the soundtrack feels like a living breathing part of the environment which also feels alive. The entire gameplay experience is cinematic. Which make the game a JOY to explore. I dont mind wasting time or missing a corner, because Im on the stage that is any given level. The music, robots, animals, plants all watching and singing to me. And while the Super Peel-Out is often seen as redundant or pointless, it's just cool. Which, is what makes Sonic so iconic. A "useless" move that makes Sonic cooler for the sake of aura. Yeah that sounds like Sonic to me.

[@antinixsupernova]

11:46 i didnt think the word time would be used 3 times in 1 sentence,that takes too much time

[@DAJTheYouTuber_2007]

7:58 same, i grew up in the US, but i always loved the JP version, though i also like some of the US tracks

[@BrothersCourage]

16:43 It’s ok. I won’t need spoilers. I’ve played this a bunch of times before. ^^)

[@freehuey3]

Accelio? I'm surprised.

[@syygnis]

Best way to play CD imo is with the & Knuckles mod. Adds so many quality of life features, instant time travel, drop dash etc.

[@KyngD469]

Miracle edition too

[@Nextliar]

Also, i dont like the us music because they used the same jp past music and make it weird, because you will be more time in the past that in any other time period.

[@retrokoh]

I want to offer a point in favor of the peelout. Going into an almost immediate fast-dash can be superior to the spin dash when adding in the fact that you can still accelerate when running. You have ZERO power to accelerate when in a ball. It's a very minor thing, but I love the peelout so I will defend it where I can😊😊

[@everythingpizzaandknuckles6268]

11:31 My brother in Christ the game is 31 years old I don't think we need to worry too much about spoilers

[@edonslow1456]

I played the Genesis games to death, so was excited to play CD for the first time when the mobile conversion came out. I couldn't get into it. The level design doesn't flow nearly as well as the Genesis Sonics, and the time travel mechanic makes it feel even more clunky. I imagine this would have been even worse on the Sega CD as the loading times would have been longer. Time travel, with alternate acts could have been cool, but it should have been implemented in a way that doesn't disrupt the flow. I'm thinking of the season transitions in Mushroom Hill from S&K, which were totally seamless.

[@unarmeduim2150]

i noticed you said tails flies on the other video i figured you meant ... tails will fly back into the screen if you meant he can fly as game play then you never played the game

[@spontman]

Or I just didn't play as Tails 🙄

[@philipcregger6477]

I personally prefer the U.S. soundtrack, probably because that's the version I remember playing as a kid

[@mojojojox5043]

Oh boy, one of my most disliked Sonic games. I'm curious what you'll say. Based takes on the music that I agree with, although both soundtracks aren't really my thing so I don't like them as much as other classic soundtracks. Yeah I did not like the special stages in this game, the way the perspective was done really screws with my depth perception making it insanely frustrating to try and hit the UFO's. Not to mention holding onto 50 rings is annoying in this game especially because of the level design. I guess I'll talk about my issue with the different futures, my big issue is that the game discourages you to play like Sonic 2 (my preferred way to play a Sonic game). It doesn't "force you" to play it more exploratory but it discourages it by giving you the bad future which feels awful. Not to mention I do not like exploring in Sonic games but especially this one. The main reason for this is because I cannot see much and get lost easily with the maze like designs of the levels. This just causes the whole game to feel frustrating and annoying. If I'm playing a game with exploring as a main gameplay mechanic, I want to be able to see where I'm going and where I am. Spyro is the perfect example because I can see where I'm going and where I am. I can't do that in Sonic CD. This is not a game for me and I think that's my biggest problem with the game.

[@AkumaAPN]

Well, the first semicolon was supposed to be a regular colon. You use a colon when you're about to start a list, even if it's only two items. You're supposed to use a semicolon when you're linking two related sentences together -- but each should be a complete sentence. If you're going to tack on a clarification, a double dash (or parentheses) is the way to go. So technically, that long sentence should have had zero senicolons with that particular choice of wording. In this case, I'd have done colon + parentheses. Colon plus colon to suggest a list within a list feels dubious.

[@xis350]

Dude, you stole my attention This video is absolutely banger :D

[@linux_doggo]

Im not personally a fan of tbe original sega cd version, however the sonic cd restored mod makes the game far more enjoyable and i actually ended up 100%ing it