Sonic Frontiers: The Final Horizon Just Got RUINED

What's up people, in today's video, we check out the new patch for Sonic Frontiers: The Final Horizon! Hope you guys enjoy the video and don't forget to LIKE, SHARE and SUBSCRIBE to the channel!
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[@comicfan1324]

Personally, I would rather have the characters be a little overpowered than pathetically underpowered. In the original version of update three I would straight up avoid combat since it would take 10 minutes just to defeat a normal guardian. At least now they’re still the challenge of getting that opening to attack but I feel strong once I do manage to hit them Trust me, I maxed out all four characters, and everyone but sonic still pathetically as pretty much none of their abilities exceeded 100 damage and seeing as the guardians were insanely aggressive, it just felt unfunded to play

[@Razorstolemycar]

Yeah I agree, because I remember playing as a level 80 Knuckles. And I spent like 40 minutes trying to beat tower+ it took me like 20 minutes just to destroy the body. Only doing like 15 to 50 percent of damage to each part. And then I spent the rest of my time attacking the head, before I just got bored and left the boss!

[@mauricereticau6292]

How come Sonic wasn't buffed at all? I guess it's because they didn't want you to cheese the trials which only Sonic can play.

[@Sone01TheFirst]

I would rather they actually made them balanced since a less terrible turd is still a turd.

[@Tr4yst3r]

Yeah, no, this aint it, you're about to get cooked.

[@husariuspl117]

dude really said that the game is ruined and then that his score for Final Horizons is dropping from 9/10 to 8.5/10 lmao

[@Tr4yst3r]

@@husariuspl117 i agree that they over corrected with the damage values, but to say this ruined the whole update is crazy.

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

@@husariuspl117yeah meanwhile I’m saying. You have the option to not upgrade the other characters, playing in hard difficulty, or not upgrading the stats because if you have the stats at level 1 or play extreme difficulty, the damage upgrade makes way more sense, or playing extreme difficulty. I mean even before the patch I avoided upgrading the stats, because it made the characters combat way to OP, The only upgrade stat that was worth upgrading, was the speed stat and that’s about it. Trial 5 overall is the only thing that deserves to be more easier, And justify Wyvern being in the boss rush where the Wyvern issues is now minor now, for most difficulties, and are no longer major issues, but still If I want more challenge, with the 2 bosses I have the option to do no parry runs, against them, Or if I want more rings in hard mode, can join trial 5 on easy mode, then once trial 5 loaded can change the difficulty to hard difficulty, if I want to practice parrying more, and at least extreme difficulty, in trial 5 is more doable at least. The only bad things I can say about this patch, is tails is now the worst playable character out of the three, where the only good things I can say about tails, is Tails is the most challenging character to beat the guardians in combat, if you don’t upgrade the stats. Because tails has the shortest parry, and a limited amount of attacks and a OP attack where if you get hit once you can’t use it anymore, where you need to use your brain, to beat the guardians and thanks to the special cyloop, the characters have can destroy 50% of the guardians, just using the special cyloop. And who asked for the final towers to have balloons, because I don’t see how someone with no skill in platforming, is going to pass through the pinball mini game, because based on my memory, the 3 islands don’t have balloons, helping you bypass the entire platforming level design, so why is easy difficulty making the best parts of update 3, for me allowing players to just bypass all the level design, in the towers. And the 1 decision they did with Knight basically made the boss way to easy now so Rip knight only defence. And the only reason why I believe they did this, is due to trial 5 making it easier, or trying to hint what to do against the supreme, or the end healing tube. So overall, this patch proves my point more, the stat system is debatably the worst part of the game, having competition with the pinball mini game, or the main release the end boss.

[@criticalbuddy524]

​​@@Tr4yst3rwell we are talking about a guy saying the spindash in frontiers is "dissapointing" in one of his past videos. I don't want to be rude, but that's how the things should work in the fandom.

[@Beastmd]

@@criticalbuddy524I mean I’m okay with the spindash, but it’s probably it’s worst iteration apart from lost world. I would’ve preferred them just give us the adventure spindash

[@BlazeStar00]

Unleash when guardians don't take 10 minutes to beat: "RUINED"

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

He must be a masochist if he actually chose to fight the guardians with Sonic’s friends and enjoyed fighting them. I agree that making Sonic’s friends overpowered was a bad change, but it’s a change that doesn’t ruin this update because it results in the same issue just for the opposite reason from the original update, which is that Sonic’s friends are not fun to play in terms of combat. But instead of the issue stemming from Sonic’s friends being underpowered, the issue now stems from Sonic’s friends being overpowered. Both the original update and this patch make Sonic the only character that should fight the guardians, if you want to feel effective against them but get the challenge at the same time. If they made Sonic overpowered in this patch as well, then I would agree with him that they made The Final Horizon overall worse.

[@pinhe4d321]

As someone who beat the final horizon on extreme mode, making parry more forgiving was for the better OBJECTIVELY. It was unfair bs rather than dIfFiCuLtY, this one still remains hard but doesn't force you to learn the telegraphs frame by frame. Characters are TOO overpowered, yes, but it's way better to have them overpowered (especially after maxing the stats out) than leave them to be completely useless in a very important part of this game.

[@PROUDY_YT]

You’re crazy but my respects

[@pinhe4d321]

@@PROUDY_YT Thanks

[@ItsNaylen]

Proud of you dude you my friend have dedication beyond any sonic fan I’ve ever seen

[@judahfalls7704]

I agree because the game doesn't do a good job of telegraphing the timing for the parry to have such an extreme difficulty. This is for the best for a game that wasn't designed around perfect parry.

[@crimsonzone8984]

To me, it's less that the others are overpowered and more that this game's combat is just garbage.

[@sonicheroesenthusiast6121]

I think this is just an improvement tbh. I do think a buff on the other characters is a good idea but now it is to easy. I didn’t really fight them either way tho. The parry window is just way better tho for the final trial. It was just unfair on hard before. Extreme mode was almost impossible.

[@bannabrain]

Btw it is confirmed the crazy damage is a glitch but they needed to release the patch before Christmas

[@majinblussb]

That’s nice to know, but where did you get the info? Just asking

[@mauricereticau6292]

@@bannabrain Where did you hear this from

[@johnmehlman5195]

@@mauricereticau6292 kishimoto apparently said it on twitter

[@bannabrain]

From what I heard Sega or someone said that they broke something whilst trying to fix something and also they will likely hear fan feedback and add another patch just be patient though because the devs are on Christmas break.

[@pie1538]

The whole point of this update is to make it easier for players who have trouble with timing. Dude, back off of Sega, they've been listening to our crud and doing their best. Characters being over powered should be a casual mode thing. Make the mini bosses a bit of a challenge at least. Maybe the OP attack power was an accident from the devs.

[@math3us420]

extreme is probably more fun now, but u can still die for some bs like giganto's lasers and knight's totally weird attacks. former hard mode was a way to avoid those things and still being hard

[@MiguelMartinon]

Fun fact, Giganto and Knight can be avoided with certainty, you just need to get good. Is it unfair, yes, but do I like it, absolutely. Then again, I love games from the early 1990s and late 1980s, but I guess most people haven't played games from back then.

[@samirjohnson4524]

Ruined?? This'll be good.

[@venularlyric8266]

Your main gripe is the combat change but you began a fight vs Ninja with over 400 rings, got knocked down to just above 200. After the cut you made, you killed it and did good damage, but you also only had like 3 rings left. It’s high damage on both sides now.

[@Retrblu]

No offence but do you do this on purpose, you always seem to say the most controversial takes, are you just trying to annoy people?

[@Bornagainvillain]

It’s being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian

[@ataladin87]

Controversial?? Not everyone likes Frontiers Garbage.

[@DJ3592]

He's basically the average Twitter user now

[@pinhe4d321]

@@ataladin87 Missed the point

[@ataladin87]

@@pinhe4d321 I did not miss a thing. In general, Frontiers was never a positive return to anything.

[@CorruptFox92]

I swear to God every time I see these shitty clickbait videos from Unleash or The Sonic Show, I immediately unsubscribed because i'm sick of people having hot takes and not being able to justify what their point is properly, so it just comes off as if they're just clickbaiting or lying.

[@Mikeythedestroyer1]

I really like the new update!!! Finally beat the Master King Koco trial after months of procrastination and pain

[@kaobunn]

"ruined" is a bit of a stretch lmao theres enough improvements here to where id say its better

[@thesonicsegakid]

I saw a comment that said that it was confirmed that the OP damage was a glitch, but SEGA needed to get this one patch done before Christmas, so we may receive another patch in the new year to fix the damage issue.

[@CSL32X]

To me I like pretty much most of the changes in this update, ESPECIALLY Knuckles Glide and the better perfect parry like jeez this is better. But the MAJOR thing that pissed me off was the combat for the other characters, like what’s the point of upgrading the strength to max if their is no challenge especially compared to sonic, like yes the combat for the other characters was to weak but they overcompensated to much which is a reoccurring thing with sonic they do to little or to much. I do think this was a pretty great update but the overpowered character combat is a huge bummer

[@pinhe4d321]

Overpowered > underpowered. At least now it's functional and kinda fun, you would need to button mash all of them for a few minutes before.

[@chillihog1543]

Doesn't matter since there's still no insensitive to beat the guardians anyways. Great that now Tails/Amy/Knuxs are able to have a fighting chance against them, but who cares since what's the point of fighting them in the 1st place anyways. If anything, instead of just overpowering Sonic's gang, the devs should have gave Amy/Tails/Knuxs more movesets like Amy actually using the hammer for combat, Tails use more creative gadgets as a projectile, and give Knuxs the dig n more combos for him.

[@thedead073]

​@@pinhe4d321Being able to one shot your enemies is basically the same thing as not being able to fight them at all

[@pinhe4d321]

@@thedead073 Both are extreme cases but functional combat is better. Besides, if that is "the same thing" then how was it ruined?

[@Joopitor]

Nah it just got better. The Master King trial is actually playable on hard mode lol

[@JDWLegoLegendsYT]

​@Next-GenNeptuneYea, exactly

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Bro just loves to get attacked by literally every Sonic fan ever

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@Next-GenNeptuneyeah cause based on your previous comments you glaze Sega like they are your king 😂

[@Astrotoydle]

Okay I think saying it got ruined is a bit of an exaggeration based on what I've seen this update is more of a side grade like there's some good things but there's also some bad things I'm not a god gamer like you Unleashed so I very much welcome the new Parry timing however the only thing I don't welcome is how overpowered the new characters are like I don't know the fact that one of tales is wrenches did the same amount of damage as a supersonic Loop kick is absurd to me like clearly Tails has some kind of arm

[@RayaanPlayzwithAsinsteadofEs]

One time I was making a vid on the new bosses in the final horizon when the caterpillar boss I was fighting straight up committed suicide Seriously it just fell of the map when I was halfway through the fight, which made me think, "This caterpillar had a mental illness." AND IT WAS STILL ALIVE I couldn't do nothing about that so I just gave up there

[@ImaDogGuy]

You can just be at level 1 combat.

[@ninjanate5018]

Fr

[@brickzoneanimations8395]

Can People just stop complaining and just enjoy the game? I liked the Final Horizon even without the buffs and they were really good! I liked it! They truly stand out!

[@Bornagainvillain]

If people have an issue with something, they’re allowed to complain about it.

[@brickzoneanimations8395]

@@Bornagainvillain people complain that the Final Horizon was too hard and now they complain that it was too easy? What the Heck?

[@Bornagainvillain]

@@brickzoneanimations8395that’s their right.

[@Unleash_YT]

I never complained about the difficulty, I loved it. So what, MY opinion doesn’t matter?

[@brickzoneanimations8395]

@@Unleash_YT yes it does its just that im tired of everyone complaining about how some people saying its too easy or its too hard come on

[@supersaiyanfox9190]

Yeah no, this patch didn’t ruin The Final Horizon. The problems with this patch for update 3 are no way worse than the original update 3. The original update 3 made Sonic’s friends not fun to play in terms of combat because of how underpowered they were. This patch makes the combat for Sonic’s friends still not fun but for the complete opposite reason, which is them being overpowered. They didn’t fix that aspect of the game, but they didn’t make it worse either, unless you’re a masochist and enjoyed the underpowered combat for Sonic’s friends. Just continue to fight the guardians as Sonic, like how you should’ve been fighting them in the original update 3. If they made Sonic overpowered in this patch, then I would agree with you that they made this update overall worse. With the perfect parry being designed better and Knuckles’ gliding being fixed, this patch objectively made update 3 better. This should’ve gone from 9 to 9.5 because of those good changes. Even though I agree that making Sonic’s friends be overpowered was a bad change, it’s a change that results in the same outcome for how players should fight the guardians, which is fighting them with Sonic only. If Sonic’s friends being overpowered was such a bad change that it ruined The Final Horizon for you, then you must really be a masochist that would enjoy nearly impossible bosses.

[@majinblussb]

Lvl 53: It’s over 5000! Lvl 99: IT’S OVER NINE THOUSAAAND!!!

[@Doxthefox]

Bruh the only reason you don't like this new update is it making the game more easier lmao

[@scottnichols8211]

You talked a lot about what you thought was good or bad for you. But remember Sega is introducing Sonic to a new audience so they need to think of a game that new people can get through too. I think the changes are good. If you’re as good as you feel you are and need that challenge then only play extreme. They can’t adjust this update for just your you, they need to do it for everyone and everyone’s abilities vary.

[@Darkslayer1534]

bro your takes are so bad

[@RileyTheTenrec]

I mean it's Unleash soo

[@the_magma_human33]

1 solution to the overpowered problems: literally don't max or even upgrade sonic's friends at all, literally at level 1 as knuckles vs the tower+ still feels like a final boss, just now it's less tedious than before. The same can be said with Amy vs the ninja+ Also, the combat with sonic's friends being long, i can't believe you enjoy that- it was too tedious to enjoy- But you do have a point when you say that sonic's friends are a tad bit overpowered before being maxed out. Why exactly is knuckles turning by himself when you're not holding the analog stick a problem? like if you're gliding you're most likely holding the stick to begin with, so what's the big deal? Also, how are the starting animations for tails and amy another big deal? they're not as terrible as the starting animation for knuckles' gliding Now i know i haven't tried parrying the end's death spheres, but i genuinely didn't notice that the parry there was made easier when i replayed the end fight

[@milesstorzillo7650]

So you really want to spend 10 whole minutes trying to beat just 1 single miniboss? I... I don't know what to say.

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@Next-GenNeptunebros mad because people have different opinions 💀

[@mrmelonman2893]

@Next-GenNeptune lmao bros pressed

[@kouroshyassini]

5 months late but you do realize that Knuckles and Tails were a lot stronger than Sonic, right..? It took maximum 2 mins for the hardest guardians...

[@milesstorzillo7650]

@@kouroshyassini No they weren't, they were just as weak as (if not weaker than) Sonic before the patch. And I maxed all 3 out pre patch.

[@kouroshyassini]

@@milesstorzillo7650 If I could send links, I would. I have plenty of clips of Tails beating Tank+ in less than a minute, something Sonic cannot do. I have already done many tech sheets about the characters and after calculating, Knuckles has the highest conditionnal DPS and Tails highest Theoretical DPS in the game. Amy isn't good and Sonic is the medium. Tails maximum damage per second is 600. In execution you can try to get 550. Find me a clip where Sonic dishes as much damage, and ok, I'll agree with you. (Ok so imo the change is pretty cool for normal and easy but it shoudln't have been changed for Hard. I don't wanna dump my 500 hour save file just to restart with lower stats...)

[@gtcproductions4097]

I think the damage changes would be fine if the combat in the Final Horizon was more fleshed out.

[@criticalbuddy524]

I think the damage change is fine. Like, if you are lv1 with Amy, Tails or Knuckles, it will feels like the past update. However, if you reach MAX lv the damge increases in a satisfactory way, think that wasn't in the past and it was almost unfair.

[@Armageddon_Z]

While yeah the Attack buff is very absurd, the characters needed a buff but not to this extent, but generally the update does have some nice QOL updates so I wouldn't personally say it's ruined

[@lastpringle8904]

Knuckles is just lore accurate now though

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@Next-GenNeptuneyeah cause the game isn't perfect quit d riding 😂

[@DaSwagGoose]

I love how almost everybody disagrees

[@pinhe4d321]

Familiar pfp

[@benraven9087]

I'm starting to think Unleash is banking off controversial wording and spicy thumbnails to draw more viewers in.

[@sheriefwoodard8686]

All I needed was a jukebox also the knuckles fix was justified

[@furious_pie466]

Unleash when the optional level up system makes fights not take 10 hours “RUINED!!!!!!!!”

[@connorplays6263]

Glad I'm not subscribed

[@EthanMastercrafter]

I'm mostly upset that my mods are now out of date... but I also agree that they made the characters way too overpowered, the only change I think is good is the fact that the gliding (minus the weird turn glitch) is better and the master koko challenge is way more forgiving.

[@EthanMastercrafter]

@Next-GenNeptune for me personally i couldn't really care less about the patch, I'm just a little upset about losing my mods, and i don't represent or speak for the whole sonic community

[@mrmelonman2893]

​@Next-GenNeptune my guy that's their job to please us. Excuse me if I don't want to go down and start glazing them like my life depends on it 😂

[@mrmelonman2893]

@Next-GenNeptune it makes a lot of sense lmao. reading comprehension must not be your strong suit.

[@DarkAnomaly]

Ruined? I wouldn't say it's ruined but they did make combat easier but this is for easy mode though. One thing that grates on my nerves however is the way with every update my favourite Mods Become unusable:/ Edit: I heard it was for easy mode only but it doesn't look like it is.

[@rakanw.6258]

I have an idea start a new save file unlock the abilities for the characters and don’t upgrade their stats

[@ScoutPlaysKalimba01]

Geez just because you like frame perfect parry, doesn't mean everyone likes it. Let me guess your next complain will be about obstacles poping out last second being fixed.

[@CaptainF123]

Tbh the end fight didn't need changing nor the perfect parry on hard mode. The characters only needed a minor buff so they're kinda pointless. But idr play as anybody except for Sonic so i guess idc.

[@Bornagainvillain]

All I care about is the game is balanced. I don’t give a shit if it’s too easy. As long as it’s not moronically difficult. Oh well.

[@OMR3333]

Keep in mind that Super Sonic can do around 3000 damage with the wild rush They're more powerful than Super Sonic💀💀💀💀

[@best_mate456]

I able to do extreme mode now

[@angrydiddykong262]

Just jumped in here to throw in a dislike so sane people have less of a chance of seeinf these kinds of content. Get better takes! Cya!

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

characters being op>>>>>>>characters not doing any damage in combat ye they went overboard with the buffs but saying they ruined it is crazy

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

In frontiers defence here, I kept sonic stats at level 1 before the patch because upgrading the damage stat makes the game way to easy because if I beaten the main release of sonic frontiers in extreme difficulty why upgrade the stats. So the upgrade damage makes more sense, in extreme difficulty or level 1 attack stats. So this patch did not “ruin frontiers” it only proved my point more, the stat system is debatably, the worst part of the game. and the only stat worth upgrading is the speed stat. and that’s about it.

[@jaredandrews1578]

So everyone got an attack buff except Sonic? Guess they'll fixed that in the new year.

[@Sonic-VA-]

Bro, Unleash. I think you're expecting too much man. I'm kinda getting tired of you posting videos that are negative. If you want this series truly to be well, I think you need to tone down the amount of negativity in your videos. Because I want what's best for you and if you can't see nothing but flaws, try to find the positive side of things ok?

[@Unleash_YT]

I'm not about to sit here and listen to this absolute nonsense. I've praised SEGA and Sonic Team time and time again recently and when they mess up, I WILL be here to call them out on it. Without criticism and negativity, we would have never gotten Update 3 in the first place. If you don't like negative videos then leave because I'm not going to sit here and fake a personality and positvity just because you want me to.

[@playbossthebest936]

This sounds like toxic positivity. He's just stating his honest opinions, y'know? Exactly as it should be, nobody enjoys a lie (right?)

[@kaobunn]

@@Unleash_YT while i dont agree with the person youre replying to, i do agree that you're kind of aggressive sometimes and it doesnt paint a great look for the likeability of your channel

[@BlazeStar00]

​@@Unleash_YT But dude, going from "this is too hard" pre patch to "this is too easy" post patch isn't as helpful as you might think it is. How the hell is Sonic Team suppose to find the right balance if fans don't even know what they want in terms of difficulty. I do not think the guardians were fair pre patch, they can easily kill you in 5 seconds while it takes you 5 minutes to defeat just one. And for what? A lookout Koco? A portal gear? Things you can find elsewhere more quickly and in a less frustrating way. Name me the person that said they farmed Gears on the guardians and we will have found a liar. I understand that super sonic level of power is a bit much of a buff, but don't go around saying this has ruined the guardians or made them bad, they weren't that balanced to begin with. If they can kill the player in 5 seconds because of one misinput, then at least let us be able to do the same. An alternative would have been to nerf their damage, HP and attack speed slightly, but if anything, what they went with is good enough, at least the bosses aren't annoyingly long anymore for what they are worth. --------------- Also, I don't know if you've heard but literally everyone who isn't a try hard spit at Hard Mode of the boss rush trial. I do not blame Sonic Team for making the perfect parry frame more forgiving. Barely anybody enjoyed having to do this challenge for hours, even after completing it I still felt salty, I did not feel any satisfaction. And just so you know, I played Dark Souls, I know what getting kicked around for an hour with long trips back at the boss feel like, the difference is, the satisfaction is real. And its due to its philosophy on difficulty rewarding adaptation rather than banging your head against the wall. Sonic Frontiers' Master Koco is literally just "...parry better, lol, and try to guess where the parrying window is, lmao"

[@husariuspl117]

I'd say making Amy, Knux and Tails this OP is a bit too much and that's worth pointing out it's not a massive issue as some people are making it out but it's still an issue if they made the damage even just 5 times smaller it be good and Sonic himself imo could get a buff cause I don't think him doing pixels of damage is fun either

[@deslardesslok]

Just got the CD soundtrack for this games 3rd update The Final Horizon the mail today at 2:34p.m. and it's the Sonic Frontiers Expansion Soundtrack: Paths Revisited CD and I'm listening to it while watching this! 5:56p.m. 12/19/2023

[@SilverXTikal]

Bro how TF do you get to look like me but with “white people” hair? Ggs in the biology department. I hate my Afro…. PLAY DREAM TEAM

[@darthvidar-spiller5343]

I also thought the Titans were hard as hell with Amy, Knuckles and Tails. I did beat the Ghost as Knuckles when I got him fully leveled up and some of the others with the others as well. But now I think it's too easy. Tails's wrench attack shouldn't do that much damage. But I like some of the other things, like Knuckles's gliding. As for the Master Koco Trial, I think the things they fixed there is also a good thing. Though quick cyloop is the key for those battles though. For me, anyway. And of course, Sega and Sonic Team just need to take as many feed backs as possible for the potential sequel and improve it a lot, and not go a few step like like SA2. Though that game got shorter development than SA1.

[@chillihog1543]

Ya i checked out whats like versing the guardians at 1 lvl combat for Knuxs and naw they are still tough to beat. Ya lvl 99 is kinda busted but tbf the game needs a reason for Amy/Tails/Knuxs to lvl up so they can get a fighting chance. Tho they overdone it. If yall still want a challenge then verse the guardians at lvl 1 on hard or extreme. They're still tough to beat, especially with Amy/Tails/Knuxs horrible ass combat

[@joelcruz-ip2hj]

Here's what I think about this patch: The damage increase, while a little overboard, was better than the original since the characters had limited combat capabilities unlike sonic who had multiple moves that could be changed together. The original perfect parry was not designed for the titans, which can be seen in the delay for giganto's swing and wyvern's multiple delayed attacks, so increasing the parry window made those bosses more possible to defeat. So if you think that this made the game too easy if you normally play on hard, then you could consider playing on extreme mode because I think this patch appealed to those who desired a balanced difficulty.

[@infern24]

hot take as usual from you unleash. sonic's friends are not too op, it makes sense for them to be that strong at level 50 to 99, unlike before where even at lvl 99 sonic's friends would constantly die to the new guardians. I actually enjoy this, I can enjoy combat with the other characters now. you're just a hater full of hot takes unleash and I'm glad sega doesn't listen to you.

[@chantingmammal]

Great Video! I personally like most of the changes in this update for Sonic Frontiers: The Final Horizion such as the fix of glide for Knuckles, but it's very disappointing to hear the other issues (that were talked about in the video) arise since Sega is trying to introduce Sonic to a new audience so they need to think of a game (which became Sonic Frontiers) but saying the whole update is ruined is a bit exaggerated in my opinion but if you wanna fix the problems relating to the update, you should just use extreme mode for the Final Horizion part of the game since it may or may not fix your problems.

[@FloofPuppy]

Guess that "SEGA Has FINALLY Learnt Their Lesson With Sonic Games" aged well huh?

[@chillihog1543]

U3 was a 7 imo and for U3.5, now its a 7.5. I wouldn't say this update is ruined cuz it made more fixes than bad tbh. I still think U3 as a whole haven't improved Frontiers at all and the game is still a B tier game tbh. For U3.5, I thought giving a fair window for perfect parry is good. For easy n normal at least, hard n extreme mode I don't think it was necessary to change it cuz my grip with the Master Koco is really the tedious climbing up titans. They should have get rid of that so that even with the really tight timing of perfect parry, still challenge would be less of a slog and still be hard versing all the titans with low rings tbh. Knuxs glide is fixed finally. Cyberspace honestly was whatever cuz i haven't really got any trouble with it but still guess a good change for others who had trouble. The only change i don't get is making the other characters op as shit now. I mean i haven't beaten any of the ex guardians (Except for Sonic) mostly cuz all of their combat is shit. Even on max, it a drag to beat the guardians since Tails only got wrenches, Amy with the useless ass cards, n Knuxs still having his 06 combat. Sonic i can trust cuz he actually got movesets that is good more movement n damage. While others, I stayed the hell away from the guardians. Hell even if I did beat all the guardians with the other characters, still theres no reward for beating them so what's the insensitive to beat them all anyways. Giving characters have over 5k damage doesn't fix the problem, in fact now its the opposite issue. Since each guardian can be blown over, what's the point of facing them? What the devs should have done in the first is give more movesets and damage for Sonic's gang. Give Tails better long range attacks instead of throwing wrenches like he's bootleg Ratchet, give Amy back her hammer and have get both close/long range attacks with fair damage, and redeem Knuxs by giving him more punches instead of just with pitiful punches. For long range, Knuxs could utilize his air punches or use drill dig in order to dodge n sneak up on enemies better. For guardians, instead of nerfing their attacks, they should have lowered the speed for easy n normal more. Hard n extreme, let the guardians go crazy cuz the players sign up for the challenge. And the biggest change, actually give a good reason to beat all the guardians too like maybe new costumes or new tracks for junkbox or something cool.

[@crimsonzone8984]

Frontiers' combat is TRASH! That's all that we need to know for real.

[@CommunitySwims]

Te only thing I would have changed in this update is making the TITEN boss rush easier

[@BurningJRed5733]

Thank goodness for the Knuckles movement fix, but it is pretty disappointing to see the other issues arise, though I feel like the insane damage outputs weren't on purpose because of how enormous they are (say I'm coping but still, I think they wanted to fix it regardless but something went wrong)

[@fiblz5443]

thank you bro you are right about this

[@fiblz5443]

@Next-GenNeptune ??? who tf you talking to?

[@thejoker194]

@@fiblz5443to you

[@fiblz5443]

@Next-GenNeptune lmao not responding. what does this tell you huh? that I’m not bad at video games and I want actual challenge?? LMAOOOOOOO

[@MiguelMartinon]

At least, Extreme mode was kept hard as hell, thank goodness.

[@bigfanofsb653]

Bro is on level 95 and is complaining about doing to much damage.

[@kahboom76]

The boost in stats for the other 3 characters kinda makes up for their lack of a combat focus skill tree compared to Sonic

[@ice_popzz6623]

I don’t know what sonic team are doing 🤦‍♂️

[@leodetective6056]

It's disappointing that they didn't update Metal Sonic.

[@ahmedhasan4966]

I recently got Rayman legends and man 10 years later it's still awesome!

[@rakanw.6258]

I think the reason why people think the op damage for the playable characters is a good thing is because their combat is pretty useless and you don’t have a reason to fight them with the characters Instead you fight as sonic

[@lpfan4491]

Appearently it is actually a mistake that they are overtuned, but it really changes nothing because like... -You had no reason to beat them as anyone except Sonic anyways. -No reason to engage them anyways unless one really wants to go to Cyberspace -They kinda suck as fights And ironically, yes. It is a good thing because Tails and Amy literally couldn't fight worth a dang originally.

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

The other characters combat were not useless they were more, limited compared to sonic. Basically I found out that knuckles 2 punch is spammable, and Amy card attack is spammable, or Amy stomp is spammable, to do a ton of damage. Or with 50% of the guardians, the other characters can use there special cyloop abilities to destroy them. Which is silver hammer+ Spider+ ghost+, and if you know what your doing, you can long combo Master Ninja+ with it. The other characters were only bad against Tank+ Caterpillar+ and that’s about it, because you can’t use the buff parry to damage them. Or they are just very difficult to Cyloop unless you use sonic. Imma explain the character combat, so Amy combat is the spammable combat, where you can spam card or the stomp attack, or spam jump or card attacks, to destroy enemies or use the special cyloop hammer, to aim jumping in the air to extend the stun time. Knuckles combat is That the stomp is nerfed, so you need to jump way less height, to spam that attack also you can spam the 2 punch combo, by just jumping and clicking at the same time, also you can hold the attack button, to do a finishing move I think to do tons of damage, and special cyloop stomp, to long combo and also this character buff parry, is way to OP, because it removes all the defence, of the guardians. And tails the only part I like about this character, because they made it way to OP bypassing all the platforming challenges. is This character is the most limited in combat, the buff parry it has is near useless, and has the shortest parry time, where you need to use your brain, to do well with this character is very limited combat, because this character only has 4 attacks, which is the special cyloop range attack, the wrench attacks the Cyclone laser beam attack, and the jump, or double jump, so you basically need to play defensively with this character to beat against the guardians. And to use the most OP attack this character, has which is the cyclone laser, you need to no hit the guardians, and try to cyloop stun them, or parry for slow motion to use it. Shorter version of that is, Amy is the spammable combat style, Knuckles is the timing combat style, And tails is the defensive combat style. Combine all these 3 characters combat style, and you get sonic play style, which is all the 3. And i was only able to type this essay or figure any of that out, by playing this game, at Hard difficulty with level 1 stats only, or in extreme difficulty. Thanks for reading.

[@Egood_ty]

Yeah nah this ain't it

[@PrizmKing_EditZ]

Silly ahh video 💀

[@TheRealZXXZ]

Mid video

[@ninjanate5018]

L take

[@makhaiwilbert2716]

You i got say though the update sorta ruins the final horizon a bit because of the big character buff which i think needs a nerf buts thats all

[@Bornagainvillain]

Naaaaah.

[@Beastmd]

They basically removed combat for the dlc characters

[@pinhe4d321]

It was never there lol, aint no way button mashing for 10 minutes straight is better

[@Beastmd]

@@pinhe4d321 I would rather it. At least you had to dodge, parry and basically play perfectly. Now you don’t even play. It was at least fun to fight them for a few minutes and leave rather than kill them in two hits

[@pinhe4d321]

@@Beastmd You do you but I am not a masochist, even as a guy who beat final horizon on extreme mode. Besides, you demolish them in a couple hits only at level 99.

[@Beastmd]

exactly, once you leveled up the enemies werent that bad, especially with the full skill tree. the damage buff was completely overtuned@@pinhe4d321

[@Khyon521]

Naw

[@Acesuper811]

The parry is the only good fix imo the other characters combat was optional to be fair so nothing is really lost in the long run

[@pinhe4d321]

So like fixed gliding and somehow being able to deal with enemies faster than button mashing them for 5 minutes (when you could do that with sonic instead) weren't good fixes? Or perhaps the lock on hint on Knight was optional? Please people, stop.

[@JDWLegoLegendsYT]

Saying the whole update is ruined is a bit of a stretch, just play Extreme mode and your problems should be fixed with update 3.😐

[@mecxu761]

Agree

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

Yep or if trial 5 is to difficult, for extreme difficulty, just play in hard mode, and do not upgrade any of the stats, which is what I did. Because I am not pause buffering, just to beat Wyvern in extreme difficulty.

[@rakanw.6258]

He was gonna do it but then he got into the master king and completely forgot about it