Sonic Origins Music Comparison: Sonic 3 OST OLD vs NEW | 1994 - 2022

[@akatorix]

Devastated by ice cap zone. It was my absolute favorite as a kid. 😭 I am so lucky to have grown up with the original SEGA genesis.

[@briannawilson8845]

I agree! I remember my brother used to legit be rapping to Ice Cap Zone's music. I hate the new Ice Cap Zone theme in Origins. The other songs being replaced I didn't like either but it was okay, but they really messed up taking out the original Ice Cap theme 😣

[@StarFried]

Yeah, hard times is the only final i like more than the prototypes

[@d.mar.2624]

The original Ice Cap zone had that sound where you knew Sonic was on a mission to kick some ass. This new trash sounds too jolly to be taken seriously.

[@cheyrasmussen264]

Go look up “Hard Times” by the Jetzons. It is ice cap zone. (This song was made a long time ago but not released until recently… and it’s not a coincidence as the keyboardist from this band helped with the sonic 3 soundtrack back in the day.) Unfortunate thing of the matter is that the very reason these original songs were so amazing is the same reason they can’t use them anymore. Really wish Sega would actually go after the rights to use the originals again, but I’m guessing that would be expensive so I bet they never will. When sonic origins was announced I thought perhaps they had finally done it and that perhaps that’s why the price tag was so high for the collection. Glad I didn’t spring on a purchase.

[@d.mar.2624]

@@cheyrasmussen264 I never knew that. I just listened to the song and it's pretty good. Thanks for sharing.

[@tylerhoward2217]

The Ice Cap rendition would have been fine had the original never existed. Just doomed from the very start since the OG ice cap OST was absolute perfection

[@bluewriter1751]

Yooo I was watching someone stream S3K (not there yet myself in Origins) and in the back of my mind I was like "something is off with this ice cap music" it's been super long since I played S3K BUT NOW that I found this video OMG 😭😭 Your comment couldn't be more true I miss the original

[@slypherfalchion6020]

so agree!!

[@astriverofstrengthandknowledge]

They honestly would’ve been better off polishing the prototypes. They sound a lot more fitting and on edge

[@Victory-in-YAHUSHA]

Precisely!

[@seamistseamist]

They didn't polish them off, they threw a pile of crap on it then put it in the game

[@polskillz]

Or they could've just gone with the prototypes themselves, idk what in the fuck they did with the prototypes to make them sound like shit. I hope they have an update like in Colors Ultimate that lets you change the soundtrack.

[@servedbot7377]

Me hearing the prototype version for the first time today and it's sounds so good and clear..., It's like they abused low pass on there instruments for the finished track 😮‍💨

[@Victory-in-YAHUSHA]

@@servedbot7377 It has something to do with MJ composing the prototype tracks in which Sega does not have clearance for. So they had to butcher the prototype tracks to sound like the ones heard on the 1997 Sonic & Knuckles Collection for PC.

[@BloodDrunkBunny]

Shout out to the king of pop for making the music straight fire

[@oilerfan871]

I'm knocking him down a couple pegs because his estate is being really shitty not lending Sega the music rights

[@Rafaelpotosino1]

Fr absolute legend RIP

[@jaywarudo]

brad buxer and mjs team did it not mj himself :/

[@Yensid951927]

For Carnival Night's melody especially, I think they should have kept more of the prototype sound in there, which had more of a bounce and kick to its instrumentation. The new one feels watered down and subdued for some reason where the other tracks kept their melody largely intact.

[@IcedOcean]

Yeah, the final doesn't even feel like a carnival in the track.

[@Victory-in-YAHUSHA]

Absolutely!

[@thedude1878]

Why didn't they just use Carnival Night's Prototype?!?!

[@Victory-in-YAHUSHA]

@@thedude1878 Exactly!

[@leothehuman_9476]

I have the scientific reason. The prototype tracks you're hearing here are from the PC version, you can hear it from the too high quality drum samples and the different FM synth used. The Origins versions instead remastered the original prototype versions on the genesis chip, and I have read that Jun Senue worked on this still for the Genesis chip. Basically Origins remasters the tracks from the genesis chip while still staying on its limitations, while the versions of the tracks you're hearing in this video are from the PC release version which has a completely different and more advanced sound system. If you have a basic knowledge in chiptune you can definetly hear that the prototype versions heard on this video are not coming from a genesis due to the sample quality and FM sound. This doesn't justify Origins at all, it just makes its creators also dumb other than greedy and lazy. For real other than music stuff, they forced Origins on bilinear filtering with no graphics options. Like WTF man how could they be so fucking lazy to not add pixel perfect or even a cheap scanline filter? The developers of Origins, both audio and visuals, are not only greedy and lazy... but retarded as hell! If you have a basic knowledge on videogames and music you can definetly see the scam in Origins. If you have a device that can emulate the classics, with the countless fan mods available there is no reason for a sane human to play Origins instead of those.

[@ExBenzi2]

The Origins renditions of those tracks sound a LOT like generic melodies made with GENS or a MIDI playing a Mega Drive soundfont. Furthermore, the sound is kinds “muffled” (MegaDrive 2 vibes ;-)). The original prototype music at least made good use of the YM2612 and the SN76489 and sounds like the composers put some actual effort into it. They were able to bring out the rather “gritty” sound of the Mega Drive pretty well. The original tracks by MJ however, found in the 1994 release of the game, are in a league of their own. Especially Carnival Zone.

[@leothehuman_9476]

The prototype tracks you're hearing here are from the PC version, you can hear it from the too high quality drum samples and the different FM synth used. The Origins versions instead remastered the original prototype versions on the genesis chip, and I have read that Jun Senue worked on this still for the Genesis chip. Basically Origins remasters the tracks from the genesis chip while still staying on its limitations, while the versions of the tracks you're hearing in this video are from the PC release version which has a completely different and more advanced sound system. If you have a basic knowledge in chiptune you can hear that the prototype versions heard on this video are definetly not coming from an YM2162 due to the sample quality and FM sound. This doesn't justify Origins at all, it just makes its creators also dumb other than greedy and lazy. For real other than music stuff, they forced Origins on bilinear filtering with no graphics options. Like WTF man how could they be so fucking lazy to not add pixel perfect or even a cheap scanline filter? The developers of Origins, both audio and visuals, are not only greedy and lazy... but retarded as hell! If you have a basic knowledge on videogames and music you can definetly see the scam in Origins. If you have a device that can emulate the classics, with the countless fan mods available there is no reason for a sane human to play Origins instead of those.

[@guybrush3000]

that original carnival zone track is so bad. is this what you mean by “league of their own”? Like, a crappy league?

[@IonSquared]

Especially Carnival Zone? I think Origins Carnival Zone is especially awful, and the original is really fitting for the zone, but it's not that great. Now Ice Cap, that's in a league of its own.

[@ExBenzi2]

@@IonSquared Meh. Can’t argue about taste 🤷‍♂️

[@nikolassantosgarcia1498]

@@IonSquaredthey are saying that the og carnival night zone is on a league of their own, not the origins version

[@philbrook5655]

The main problem with these new tracks is that they remove the sinister/melancholic edge of the originals in favour of something more upbeat and heroic. And the prototype versions sound much better than the Origins ones.

[@sonicmastersword8080]

I concur. The original have a grand, epic quality to them that fits with the cinematic nature of the gameplay. These new tracks just sound like budget arcade jingles.

[@kingalastor936]

​@@sonicmastersword8080"the original have grand epic quality". This just isn't true. Exsept for hard times and mini boss.

[@_TRB_]

Huh?

[@regulator062]

The Sonic 3 tracks sounded much cooler and more fitting for the stages IMO. The prototype tracks sound unfinished and kind of generic, and they all have this happy go lucky vibe instead of a cool, almost rebellious adventure vibe that the Sonic 3 tracks carry.

[@TRG_R17]

Wow Look At A Prototype Sound Unfinish Him I Wonder Why Not Like It's A Prototype And Unfinish Before The Game Out Or Anything

[@m1dsp1k3r]

Prob bc it was made in the 90s. Duh.

[@the_gratefulgamer]

Couldn't have said it better

[@themblan]

Oh God. Not gonna buy Origins now. Thank you for this vid. Have a great day.

[@JonathanH]

LMAO 🤣

[@McYum.]

Bro they only “remastered” 6 songs out of like the 100 song soundtrack.

[@imcooliguess5759]

@@McYum. ok but they screwed up ice cap (ik they can’t use ice cap og music) but they could have made something similar

[@JonathanH]

@@McYum. That's 6 too many

[@minirob2]

@@JonathanH Agreed

[@slimgrim3607]

I am now dubbing the original version of these tracks in this game "Dullnival Night" "Ice Crap" and "Launch Based"

[@chillycoldchomper9389]

Yeah the new music sucks, and it's not just nostalgia talking, the tracks alone just suck.

[@chillycoldchomper9389]

Although Carnival Night act 2 and Launch Base act 1 in origins is ok on its own

[@entertainer_ev2747]

You could do "Launch Waste"

[@mr.awesome6011]

More like Launch Beta

[@NeonGSP]

launch based is true tho

[@ultrainstinctbroly4333]

You can't have a good sonic game without iconic music, Sega really dropped the ball on this one

[@alannava5107]

One word Copyright

[@leothehuman_9476]

@@alannava5107 3 words PC prototype versions

[@alannava5107]

@@leothehuman_9476 I'm trying to say that in order for Sega to not get sued by copyright,they had to use prototype music

[@leothehuman_9476]

@@alannava5107 I'm trying to say that they could have used the PC versions of prototype tracks heard in this video instead of "remastering" the genesis ones

[@alannava5107]

@@leothehuman_9476 well,Sega kind of rushed this game So...

[@gamerbull2183]

That new Ice Cap music. I just can't get use to that after hearing the original. I'm just going to play this game on original hardware.

[@Matrix803]

I actually sort of grew up with the alternate music because I had Sonic and Knuckles Collection on Windows 95 (which had midi versions of these same songs). Even back then though, I still much preferred the MJ tracks. It sucks that they won't just allow Sega to use the original music without being dicks.

[@pookiewood]

They hacked it on PC already! 👍🏾

[@gamerbull2183]

@@pookiewood Cool! Unfortunately I only have a Switch.😔

[@TwoBrokeGamers2]

@@pookiewood doubt it

[@speedtonydbsm]

Just play sonic 3 air much better

[@anonymone453]

I think the prototypes are better. There's just some life missing in the new versions.

[@907CoolBoy]

They definitely sound muted. It's not great.

[@leothehuman_9476]

I have the scientific reason for that. The prototype tracks you're hearing here are from the PC version, you can hear it from the too high quality drum samples and the different FM synth used. The Origins versions instead remastered the original prototype versions on the genesis chip, and I have read that Jun Senue worked on this still for the Genesis chip. Basically Origins remasters the tracks from the genesis chip while still staying on its limitations, while the versions of the tracks you're hearing in this video are from the PC release version which has a completely different and more advanced sound system. If you have a basic knowledge in chiptune you can definetly hear that the prototype versions heard on this video are not coming from a genesis due to the sample quality and FM sound. This doesn't justify Origins at all, it just makes its creators also dumb other than greedy and lazy. For real other than music stuff, they forced Origins on bilinear filtering with no graphics options. Like WTF man how could they be so fucking lazy to not add pixel perfect or even a cheap scanline filter? The developers of Origins, both audio and visuals, are not only greedy and lazy... but retarded as hell! If you have a basic knowledge on videogames and music you can definetly see the scam in Origins. If you have a device that can emulate the classics, with the countless fan mods available there is no reason for a sane human to play Origins instead of those.

[@jmatt7804]

No the prototype aren’t better ! Sorry Launch base act 1 isn’t bad tho! But nothing beats the original

[@xxxVJ300xxx]

The songs they gave us sound like they belong in a games menu select, or an entirely different game. Jesus, I was not ready for Launch Base Act II.

[@TheNemisisx]

Launch base act 2 sounds like a competition stage theme. It does not suit Launch base at all

[@Mic1904]

Unpopular opinion, I know: I grew up with these 'new' tracks, and they're by far my preference over the Genesis versions. Nostalgia is a heck of a drug that makes us do crazy things.

[@TastyCarcass]

@@Mic1904 even if you like the tunes, they're using the wrong sound font

[@Mic1904]

@@TastyCarcass Ah, I see. That's fair enough. I only ever heard these versions with generic (terrible) General MIDI on 90s soundcards. The only other comparison I have is the excellent Sonic 3 Complete ROM which, amongst the multitude of customisable options, includes these tunes recreated in a Genesis-style - I'm not sure to what extent they're better or worse in that regard.

[@squiddog8933]

Launch Base Act II sounds way too similar to Carnival Night

[@Yuzoboy]

Interesting you used the remastered remixes of the Sonic 3 music instead of the originals to compare with Origins and Prototype. Good video!

[@TehReasoning]

Why didn't they just do new osts for the remaster for the 3 stages, was it too much money to pay someone to do some old school tracks. Songs don't even sound close enough to the prototype osts and that what makes it worse.

[@animeisformen863]

I believe they're having some trouble with Sega on that part as well as the game getting rushed by sega

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@animeisformen863 They could have spent 0 money and 0 time to _just use the prototype tracks_ and gotten a warmer reception for it.

[@animeisformen863]

@@autobotstarscream765 Again I believe using the prototypes was a Sega issue, I'm sure they could've mixed the music into sounding like it yeah easy but I don't know the process that goes behind making music for an official sonic game

[@TheRV1HD]

The Act 1 music for Launch Base on Origins sounds like it was made more for Sonic 3D. For me the music sounds too upbeat for the levels they are used for. Carnival Night Zone you might get away with but in Ice Cap Act 2 and in Launch Base in general the songs are far upbeat for what are supposed to be darker levels of impending doom. They need that slower tempo.

[@realevostevo]

Exactly.

[@Evanloveskaas]

i dont mind the Carnival night zone and Ice cap soundtracks they are both good, BUT what they did do launch base still breaks me everytime i play

[@paperluigi6132]

I think Launch Base Act 1 is the only one where I like the Origins version more than the Prototype version.

[@emilie8356]

Ye

[@shadowpheniox343]

Agreed

[@jmatt7804]

No just no ! Respectfully… no ! The new one aren’t better ! Sorry ! But Launch base act 1 isn’t bad tho i gave you that

[@TRG_R17]

I Personally Disagree The Og Prototype Has A Oof In It That I Like And Plus The Bell Sound In Launch Base Doesn't Sound Weird

[@jeremyknight9980]

Same, that and Ice Cap act 2 are alright. The Nov 3 versions of everything else and the final versions are better.

[@lucuador1992]

Studiopolis, Press Garden, and Mirage Saloon (the other new ones were pretty good, but these 3 I will never forget) were absolute bangers for Sonic OST based on the retro style. They could've done new tracks for the Sonic 3 levels and who knows, they could've come out better than the original. But this....this feels like Sonic 4 OST but with 20% more effort.

[@IonSquared]

Sonic 4's OST is still way better than these.

[@sonicx2448]

The Sonic 4 ost is better than origins, or only in the episode 2... I nevera play the episode 1...

[@Megafan381.]

@@sonicx2448 yea but EPISODE 1 COST MONEY BRO

[@therizinosaurus214]

The supersonic tune has a different loop to it. it seems to have more added to it but it does not loop as cleanly.

[@Robotoda2000]

The fact that they just recycled the prototype tune is very disappointing. It's literally killed a lot of the game for me. They could have at least composed new music that sounds closer or in the same vibe as the original genesis game. The fact that the decision to go with this music made it through QA is mind boggling. Who gave these atrocious tunes the green light?

[@Freezerboy69]

They are good tunes, the versions they used in origins are horrible arrangements, the proto versions showed their potential. Listen to mastered realm or bouncy glow they made renditions of the proto themes that sound a lot better.

[@aigeneratedwauigi2696]

They are good though so reuse them, the remix isn’t though

[@bobbayagga6086]

The prototypes sound so much better than the final product.

[@d.b.scoville]

The prototype versions of launch base and carnival night are maybe better than the release tracks but damn do the origins remixes BUTCHER them.

[@cjtrahey4195]

I've always gotten Top Gun vibes from proto Launch Base 1 so I don't mind it as mush especially with S3 AIR's remaster of it Everything else is questionable at best

[@Oysterblade84]

Why do the tracks from the Mega Drive (including the prototypes) sound all quadrophonic with a really clean sound almost completely devoid of bass? They never sounded that clean on the console, they had a very raw and gritty sound with dirty drum samples. So this is not a very fair comparison against Sonic Origins.

[@doglass352]

My guy what do you mean this isn't a fair comparison.

[@digithardt]

its fair when you realize sonic origins uses cleaner samples for sonic 1 and 2

[@Oysterblade84]

@@digithardt The point of it all was that Sonic 3 on the Mega Drive used dirty drum and voice samples that never sounded clean and in surround sound as heard in this video making it of all things, a fake comparison. The origins Sonic 3 music is legit but the Mega Drive/Genesis music is fake.

[@donzeripo8681]

it is actually quite amazing how the quality of the 2022 versions of the soundtrack sound so bad compared to the 1994s. Like how is it even possible.

[@TRG_R17]

@Mcheetah And Also Jun Senoue Remixing The Music Especially Super Sonic Theme In Sonic 3

[@rollingstart_90s]

While the original prototype songs from the 90's aren't as loved as the "MJ" tunes that ended up in the final game, Sega should've NEVER asked Yun Senoue to redo the prototype tracks. While many people knew some of the original tracks would be removed fom Origins, it was still tough to accept the fact that Sega would be using the prototype songs. If that wasn't enough, we ended up getting slapped in the face once more, by Jun Senoue completely destroying the prototype tracks. It is beyond me why Sega couldn't just use the original prototype tracks and call it a day. Taking into consideration how much Sega messed up with each new Sonic title during the years, it almost makes me wonder if the higher ups at Sega intentionally want to keep messing around and doing this in purpose.

[@segaunited3855]

No. Its because entitled people like you have never even heard of the 1997 Sonic & Knuckles Collection for the PC. These tracks are ripped DIRECTLY from it.

[@rollingstart_90s]

@Sega United I've been with this franchise since 1992 and very aware of what has happened during these decades. You have no clue what you are talking about. The tracks that were in the PC game, were MIDI VERSIONS of the prototype tracks. The songs that we have on Origins, are newly recomposed by Jun Senoue, using the Mega Drives Yamaha sound chip. There are already better versions out there using the Yamaha soundchip, but for some reason Sega decided not to use them. This is the exact reason why people have been disappointed. So again, this was a major mistake/ misconception on your part. The songs on Origins are NOT directly ripped from the PC game. Don't go around making an ass of yourself, trying to correct people who know a lot more than you. It's not that great of an idea.

[@segaunited3855]

@@rollingstart_90s We've been playing and following Sonic since 1991. FAR longer than you, sir. Also, unlike you, we've corresponded with Senoue AND Drossin himself personally. The Origins tracks are both ripped from S&K Collection and UNUSED Compositions remixing the Sonic 3 Prototype Soundtrack that were CUT from the Final version of S&K Collection in Late 1996. And No, neither of Origins tracks USE YM2612. They're Emulated, which is why they sound that way. You sound so pious with your comment. Just because you've followed the franchise since '92 is Utterly meaningless when you're not an insider. All your encouraging us to do is Pitch RingLords to IIzuka himself. Good Day.

[@rollingstart_90s]

@@segaunited3855 You typed on your previous comment, that "these tracks are ripped DIRECTLY from S&K PC collection", which they are not DIRECT rips. I would not have responded in a negative tone, but it was you who started with the whole "entitled people like you!" stuff, so don't expect people to respond nicely. As I said, I've been following the franchise closely since 1992. You trying to say from 1991 is FAR longer, doesn't make any difference and is only year apart. Also doesn't have much to do with a late 90's PC collection or Sonic Origins, if we're both being honest here. Emulated soundchip or not, it doesn't make a difference. It is emulating/ mimicing the old Yamaha soundchip and that is what Jun Senoue was set to work with. He recreated the old prototype songs, which is why people are unhappy, because they are inferior, when compared to the old yamaha soundchip versions of the prototype tracks. I also want to add, I do not know who you think you are. You have a Sega branded youtube channel, with only one poorly made video from six years ago. People are calling you out on your comment section because of your strange bullshit and errors you've made on your video. To me it all seems like an account ran by delusional schizophrenic, dreaming of being some sort of part of a multimillion dollar gaming company. What are you doing? Where is the content? Where is the official website your info is referring to? Stop trolling around. All I see is a blogpost that you've made, but no website or any legitimate action. People are even calling you out on that blogpost. Get out of here son.

[@LeafMaltieze]

The 1994 Prototype versions just have so much more depth to them than the Origins mixes. It's like they muffed the reverb, and swapped out half the sound fonts for something slightly worse.

[@segaunited3855]

The Prototype is from Summer 1993, Not '94.

[@segaunited3855]

@Mcheetah MJ wrote and mixed the Prototype Tracks using ONLY the YM2612 without bothering to code the Z80 Sound Processor, Many developers on Genesis/Mega Drive programmed SFX and Soundtracks using only the YM2612 without having or using Code to run the Z80 as SEGA had to create a Software tool to teach them how to utilize YM2612 audios with the Z80. Needless to say, Jackson was DISATISFIED with the fruits of his labor and HATED the Prototype compositions. He felt they results were poor and beneath what he was capable of. He hated the way the chip was making his music sound ultimately stepping down as Lead Composer. Jackson decided to bring on Brad Buxer and Drossin(To handle the Sound Programming) and stayed on the side as Conducer until Early 1994 when Jun Senoue joined SEGA, and was hired to bring in a Full Japanese Sound Engineering and Programming Team to handle the rest of the game's Soundtrack(Sonic 3 and Knuckles). Origins uses Unreleased, and Unused Tracks from S&K Collection PC that SEGA rejected in late '96 citing them as "Too Offbeat" and "Too Otherworldly", these are files lifted directly from the OLD SFGHQ Circles of the Early 2000s. In those Circles, alot of the Sonic & Knuckles' PC Collection soundtrack was freely distributed and unlicensed, and many Sonic Fan games from this time frequently used them and often remixed them with MIDI Compositions.

[@segaunited3855]

@@michaelg4981 The Beta Sonic 3 was running internally in November 1993.

[@lewisstrongofficial]

Am I the only one that actually likes most of the Origins OST? I mean we can all probably agree Ice Cap Zone was better in 94, but the newer one doesn’t even sound bad.

[@atwistedb]

TRUE

[@ChrisAsia]

Yes you are the only one.

[@MannyCakes1984]

Agreed.

[@Matrix803]

Now that I've kinda had time to process this news and replayed these tracks a few times back-to-back, I can actually see what they were trying to do (but it just ended up not working, because as it turns out, everyone is used to hearing the Sonic 3 prototype versions). In Carnival Night Zone Act 1 and 2, it sounds like they transposed the song to be in the same key as the Michael Jackson track, and they made the instrumentation more similar to the MJ track. It seems like they were trying to find a good balance between the Sonic 3 prototype music, and the final MJ version. Ice Cap Zone Act 1 and Act 2 actually sound mostly the same as the versions in the Sonic 3 prototype (though a bit more "mufflled"sounding for some reason). But I think these are actually the most tolerable remixes in Sonic Origins. Launch Base Zone is a different story, however-- I never really felt that Act 1's prototype music fit with that level, and the intro is horrible in my opinion.... But Sonic Origins actually somehow managed to make it sound even _worse._ Launch Base Zone Act 2 sounds a little better than Act 1, but not by a whole lot. You can't even hear the melody because it's overpowered by the harmonizing instruments. The prototype versions of these tracks definitely sound way better. Honestly, the good news here is that it's not too late at all to fix this. It's a super easy fix and Sega can push it in a new update for the game. Hopefully they will do that.

[@theweeboi9097]

They should just keep it exactly the same as the prototype

[@Matrix803]

@@theweeboi9097 That would be the most ideal option, just rip the tracks from the prototype and put those in.

[@alegamer_real]

for the prototype theme in carnival night they used the pc collection version as the origins version and that one are the same key and overall sound the same, and for launch base, it's the same thing

[@Matrix803]

@@alegamer_real Ah, that's interesting-- I genuinely didn't know that. So, there are actually differences between the Sonic & Knuckles Collection version and the Sonic 3 prototype track.

[@theweeboi9097]

@@Matrix803 i know the tracks are actually pretty good in the megadrive font but not in the pc version and origins. Ice cap is the only one that didn't get messed up

[@ToonCatTV]

Doesn't do the prototypes justice, please senoue stay away from classic sonic lmao

[@ToonCatTV]

Holy crap the difference in quality in the launch base zone act 1 and carnival night is embarrassing

[@DjimonMoz]

It boggles my mind why they didn't just call Tee Lopes to handle this. He could have done this in his sleep and still make it sound leagues better than what we got.

[@Freezerboy69]

@@DjimonMoz tee lopes has little to no experience with chiptune, he's better suited to music where he's less limited by hardware. A good guy to bring in would be mastered realm, he has experience with chiptune, can touch up the proto themes and give it the flare it needs to fit in the soundtrack, listen to his ice cap rendition for sonic origins, its so much more creative then what we got in origins.

[@recht_voor_zijn_raap5506]

*SEGA* : Here we have all 3 original Genesis games remastered. *Fans* : Oh boy Thats awesome.. These games are legendary and there is no way you can screw this up in any way! *SEGA* : Oh have we a surprise for you!

[@doguerson149]

3 no, is 4

[@little_mr_divergantz1435]

@@doguerson149Actually yes to the 3 genesis games Sonic CD was on the Sega CD.

[@Horsehater500]

They don’t sound bad to me? I actually like them. Just feels a tad empty, but other than that I like it. I understand why others wouldn’t though

[@AlexTheRed1985]

Can’t believe I’m going to say this… but hard pass on this compilation. The music made Sonic 3 so special….

[@jademonass2954]

cant be the only one that prefers the origins version for carnival night 1, the songs feels way more alive old one was just "yea its a carnival but thats it", now it has personality act 2 tho...

[@chasformer3091]

Please SEGA, just pay MJs team and get the music. Or use the prototypes.

[@entertainer_ev2747]

Nah fr tho

[@segaunited3855]

The prototypes are owned by the Estate since MJ himself composed them without Buxer or Drossin.

[@WertylevoSuave]

Está comparación demuestra que Michael Jackson era no solo el Rey del pop, sino del mundo 😎

[@TheMissingLink2]

God. Seeing those red and white barrels again for so long has given me ptsd.

[@JasonEllis01]

Just an absolute travesty for anyone who played the original as a kid. OG versions are simply irreplaceable. IMO Carnival Night was ruined. The OG had that hip-hop DJ vibe that just slapped. Probably would have been ok with Ice Cap Prototype had the OG never graced my ears. Launch Base Act II Origins/Prototype was actually pretty dope, so I might have sacrificed that one if I had zero choice. Lastly, all the Origins versions sounded compressed and muddled. They should have just polished the '94 Prototypes...yet somehow that effed that up, too. Someone please bless me with a way to play the original "lock on" Sonic 3 and Knuckles port on my Xbox One...please...

[@SegaSky]

The prototype songs for Ice Cap are incorrect. These aren't from the actual prototype but rather from a fan remastering which has a lot of differences.

[@TRG_R17]

Proof

[@SegaSky]

@@TRG_R17 Took literally 10 seconds but here you go. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fai7gWqFmqhmnck

[@SegaSky]

@@TRG_R17 And Act 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/joiwfouQbrenbLs

[@Rex_The_Mouse]

Did Origins just not give a solitary fuck?

[@SonGokuBlack93]

Creepy video game music themes - Season 1 EP 1 - the creepiest Sonic origins themes for Sonic 3

[@original__gmebvy]

I’m gonna say it: they should have had Tee Lopes redo the soundtracks for all 3 stages. It would have still stung by not having the original ones but it would have turned out a hell of a lot better than whatever tf Sega ended up doing. Sonic Origins is really an example of a company royally fucking up and someone telling them, “Yooooo my dude seriously how theeeeeeee fuck did you screw this up so bad?!?” I ended up canceling my preorder for this game once I found out just how bad the music situation with this game turned out. I have the originals I grew up on that I bought and can play on my Xbox One X just before they got delisted.

[@Crispeaks]

Carnival Night Zone..yeah that is underwhelming, especially with how much more interesting the Prototype is. I think people give the new Ice Cap a bit too much flak. If I had any real problems with it, the first couple of seconds would be it. That aside, I think the song suffices. And Launch Base…yeah there’s just no defending that one. It *kinda* sounds like something I can digest a little later on but way too late for it to matter. While a perfect world would grant us the ability to have the original soundtracks across all platforms, I think SEGA could totally salvage this with Carnival Night’s Prototype, touching up Ice Cap, and just straight up redoing Launch Base.

[@otakudaikun]

So, Sega was too cheap to buy the rights to music that's been around for ages. Anyone who buys this is a chump.

[@furny5781]

How did they manage to make the music worse than the prototype? I mean I really like the prototype music but this music in origins sounds more like prototype music instead.

[@MechanicalRabbits]

It's so baffling man the mixing is so superior on the prototypes. It's like they weren't even trying

[@rayx1679]

Is it just me or the Sonic 3 music on Sonic Origins has a lot more compression in it than the original Sonic 3 and lacks noticeable percussion?

[@Bruninho1997]

They did something very generic and meaningless... It matched nothing with the original OST, much less with the stages...

[@thatonePeppinoAccount]

Some of these are okay to me, i just wish they developed the beta tracks more, so they sound complete and would be worthy replacement for the original ones

[@saricubra2867]

I know you are playing Sonic 3 AIR and i don't blame you. It's a masterpiece.

[@gmoneythestickman]

He’s playing origins look at bottom left

[@Crab_Pasta]

I think the Origins songs are serviceable. It’s always gonna be hard to try and top the King of Pop’s music, and that’s not necessarily the fault of the new tracks because those are big shoes to fill. Doesn’t ruin the entire package imo; we’ll always have the original tracks online and elsewhere it’s not like they’re gone forever, just officially they’re gonna missed.

[@autobotproductions1244]

to be honest, I actually prefer the Origins Carnival Night Zone music to the original. the original music was just annoying to me

[@dorydeviance3774]

This is why it's worth owning physical copies of original content without any modern alterations. They're changing everything. And Ew I can't imagine playing this version.

[@timrutten5990]

I dont understand why they remastered the music for origins. I much prefer the prototype versions to the origins remakes and i dont understand why they couldnt just put it in the game. Ofcourse the original sonic 3 versions are better but the prototype music wouldve been better than the remasters for origins if they couldn't use the og music

[@MJGaming57_REAL]

It’s as if they thought people started liking the pc versions after the (actually listenable) prototype tracks were discovered

[@bmhedgehog2]

should have added the Sonic & Knuckles Collection from the PC (Win 95) to really drive the point home.

[@pvzmariosonica8fan]

And the S3 Complete versions

[@segaunited3855]

They're using most of its Tracks.

[@thewolfcatbeast3567]

makes me so angry they didnt preserve the original music for sonic 3 for origins tbh nah pal that doesnt work for me brother as hulk hogan would say , sonic 3 soundtrack is iconic

[@CraigPhilipMyBeer]

The Prototype version of Carnival Night Zone Act 2 reminds me of Chrome Gadget and Desert Palace from the competition mode.

[@Bitplex]

Thought the exact same thing.

[@Kal1s8r0k3n]

I was young as hell last time I played those 😂😂 ❤

[@MK3]

The new Carnival Night is fine but I prefer the old version. The new Ice Cap track is actually really good, but the old version is legendary and sets the bar way too high. Launch Base... doesn't suite the zone. Act 2 sounds more like Hydrocity.

[@robertperkins7781]

I personally like the original soundtrack better I admire what they tried to do my god the new theme for ice cap zone is awful

[@Matrix803]

I agree, the original MJ soundtrack is the best by far. But it was never realistic to expect that to happen, unless Sega resolved all the legal issues with that music and Michael Jackson's estate (or whoever has the rights to it).

[@Lipidwave]

@@Matrix803 Ice Cap isn't based off MJ though.

[@Matrix803]

@@Lipidwave Yeah, in that case it would probably be Brad Buxer.

[@chillycoldchomper9389]

Yeah the new music is giving me hard times

[@segaunited3855]

@@FSAPOJake Michael Jackson did the first few levels and the Bonus Stage Tracks, Left the Project in Early August 1993, before allowing Buxer and Drossin to step in. Brad Buxer and Howard Drossin completed majority of it and tracks used in Sonic & Knuckles. MJ still provided vocals for the Earlier Stages. Its NOT just the Jackson Estate, its Buxer and Drossin themselves SEGA needs clearance from.

[@TRG_R17]

At least The Actual Original Prototype Sound Good And Better In Origins In Everyway

[@zom8680]

Holy crap there's no comparison 2022 is absolute ass. Why would they ruin one of the best things about the game? I fear what Lava Reef sounds like, that was my ringtone for many years

[@Megagamer-xr7ps]

It’s very sad that they ruin ice cap zones music it’s my 1st time hearing both and they should’ve just remastered the original song

[@secondbestjojo1300]

Copyright

[@sackboy8472]

The new music in origins is terrible, definitely makes the game experience worse. If they couldn't use the MJ music, at least come up with something better than what was released in origins.

[@ducktail4068]

Look at all the people who bought origins desperately trying to justify their 40$ purchase by lying to themselves and everyone else by saying the prototype songs are better LMAO

[@TJ-jc4bh]

What the hell did they do as someone who owns all the original game cartridges Ice Cap zone’s music change really sucked it just felt wrong and screwed up the whole feel of the zone the music was just not a match at all and sounded like a rushed out replacement with no feeling whatsoever it could have been used for any level as a replacement and captured nothing

[@squeena9573]

Literally the only good thing I can say about the new tracks is that at least they're slightly better then sonic 4's ost

[@Dan-ch8kv]

Origins’ music was destroying my brain. I used to love that level, but I quickly learned that the music was half of the joy.

[@domarme2776]

Sonic 3 is my favorite game, so when I learned they butchered the soundtrack, I was very disappointed in Sega.

[@Claydood]

Even the prototype music sounds way better than what we got

[@TheScrltspdrslayer]

Thanks. I actually hate all of them. The prototypes sound better then what they did put in though

[@MelodyTheFelony]

The ice cap zone music sounds like the family guy intro

[@mr.jayjay2401]

Hell nah. I'm just going to play the original songs in the background as I play through.

[@Invertedzero]

Ice Cap prototype sounds like it's from a different Sonic game, maybe on GBA or perhaps Ristar

[@FatalShotGG]

Sounds like it belongs in a MENU SCREEN hahaha

[@segaunited3855]

It's from Sonic & Knuckles PC Collection from 1997.

[@atwistedb]

I still like ice cap personally (the original is still better but the remake is not as bad as people say)

[@SatoruArmin]

the new ones feel like an insult to Michael Jackson's work, this is awful

[@weglarz]

Carnival night stage 2 prototype is actually legit. The rest is… questionable

[@drjoverlord]

The remastered songs sounds like what would happen if they put the prototype songs underwater.

[@NotABabyDaddy]

SEGA once again doing what Nintendon’t: Botching their intellectual property. Sonic cycle all over again…I must be back in 2008 🫠

[@VoiceParodies]

Nintendo's been butchering their intellectual property for five years now. Have you seen Mario Strikers Battle League? LOL

[@mrdrybonestv]

@@VoiceParodies I skipped it, but I heard the gameplay was great. The game was just light on content. I wouldn’t call that butchering.

[@saricubra2867]

@@VoiceParodies Now Switch Sports, it sucks.

[@Kyubi2345]

Wow compared to the originals....these new tracks....are not great. Should've just used the prototype ones.

[@lxReo89xl]

Bring MJ's tracks back for all that is good in this world

[@jontho266]

1994 - tuuuunnneeee! 2022 - awful. Prototype - confusing.

[@linkpwnsevery1]

Ice cap my beloved has been ruined...I'll pass on this game. I'll just play emulator or my Sega mini...original music sounds way better from all stages. Most of this songs just sounds like a weird happy music. Thanks for sharing.

[@saricubra2867]

Sonic 3 AIR, the "OG" music is from Sonic 3 AIR.

[@etherealdreamerart]

I like Carnival Night but Ice Cap Zone with MJ's music is superb.

[@jjbb2166]

I'm confused why can't we get the original tracks I'm cofused

[@yoshipro6492]

Issues with the fact Michael Jackson helped create these tracks, and Sega not wanting to deal with the copyright behind ANYTHING Michael Jackson related.

[@Sir_Newkirk]

Why is Sega like this, sack up and purchase the damn rights or whatever. Man this is an L honesty, hopefully modders will restore the balance.

[@yoshipro6492]

@@Sir_Newkirk modders definitely will. I saw Nathaniel Bandy comment on a video saying he HAD to mod them in. But I think that the rights for the music probably would've costed sega a huge percentage of the games profit, AND probably more. They probably just said: "Hey, we don't want to get the rights back, so we can just use the music we did in the pc port!" Although everyone thinks ice cap was the biggest loss, I have to say all of them were a huge loss.

[@secondbestjojo1300]

@@Sir_Newkirk not that simple

[@BeeBN]

I actually like the carnival night act 2 MORE. The prototype that is, the sound don't used on the new carnival night 2 is bad

[@BlustreakG]

Sonic Origins Launch Base sounds like something from Puyo Puyo, its not even a Sonic vibe

[@supermarioplushboi85]

What is the difference between the music of act 1 and 2 of Ice Cap (prototype/Origins)? They both sound the same to me.

[@waluigisbizzareadventuresi1430]

here's to hoping that the original prototype songs are added in an update or something.

[@doguerson149]

update no outdated

[@Mark_Aaron]

Ok well these are all an obvious downgrade but holy crap Ice Cap zone is REALLY BAD. It's horrendous man. I'll never be able to ger over that one

[@Freezerboy69]

I think the proto song is good, it's just that the buxer ice cap theme is godlike, it's a difficult song to compete with.

[@Matrix803]

I don't like the Ice Cap zone song either. Ironically enough though I thought they remixed that one the best for Sonic Origins.

[@dripfranco]

Honestly, this was inevitable with a rerelease, which is why there hasn't been as many as 1 and 2.

[@PeytonBirbal]

Unpopular opinion: Origins's versions of Carnival Night Zone and Launch Base Zone are better than the originals. I never liked the original versions of LBZ. That being said, MJ's Ice Cap Zone is WAY better than the new version.

[@shalga3570]

This is why i don't trust Sega and their "remasters"

[@amadeuszmajewski3551]

Unpopular opinion i like carnival music more in origins then in orginal (but the prototype is the best anyway) Also imo ice cap zone Could not be made better.(because they couldn’t got mj music apparently and the music in origins sounds pretty much the same as prototype music especially act2)

[@galanjuan]

te falto poner los temas de windows sonic 3 y knucles apesar de que sean midi cambian los temas

[@hectorsuper]

o los temas de prototipo la version de Sonic 3 complete

[@lordred8845]

Why do I feel that Sonic & Knuckles PC Collection tracks are placeholders and will be replaced soon, if Jun Senoue does REALLY work on a FM makeover to the prototype versions they mentioned earlier?

[@kjo8970]

That is called hopeful thinking

[@lordred8845]

@@revolution4122 That's sad to hear. Well, gotta wait for some mods then.

[@mattmaverick703]

Why didn't they just keep the original music, and just retune it to sound even better?

[@secondbestjojo1300]

Copyright

[@josephjones8648]

In my own opinion I have no complaint over the music

[@TropicSoup]

Look how they massacred my ice cap zone :(