Sonic Superstars soundtrack be like:

get that man a guitar

[@FSAPOJake]

Sonic Team keeps assigning Jun Senoue to do "classic style" music tracks cause he made some absolute bangers in the Sega Genesis days. The issue is, he didn't arrange and program the tracks on Genesis hardware. He composed them on a keyboard and guitar and sent demo tapes to other members of the audio team who would then program it in. Basically, Jun is a phenomenal composer but just isn't good at arranging and programming classic-style Sonic music. Listen to proper Sega Genesis remixes of his Sonic 4 tracks and you'll see what I mean. When those tracks are played with good instrumentation, they're actually pretty great.

[@PercyPanleo]

Jun was actually the sound programmer on the Genesis version of 3D Blast The issue seems to be that Jun doesn't actually use a Genesis for new classic-style tracks, instead using a synth preset that doesn't sound great. This is obvious when you look at Forces, where they used an actual Genesis for multiple tracks, though it led to those tracks having a 50Hz tone from mains being present EDIT: While I've seen numerous mentions of Jun being the sound programmer for the Genesis version of 3D Blast, looking into it I'm not actually able to find the original source of this information, so we may want to take that with a decent helping of salt

[@Kerrogann]

He didn't do absolute bangers during the Genesis era lol, he's the one who made probably the worst tracks from Sonic 3D blast, but that's all (not that all of his work on the game is bad, but the best tracks in the game weren't his). He is only good at rock music, that's why he made such good stuff for the Modern Sonic era. Outside of that, he's not really a good composer, nor a good arranger. In fact the only bearable tracks he composed in Superstars are those arranged by Tee Lopes.

[@FSAPOJake]

@@Kerrogann Balloon Park, Green Grove and Panic Puppet alone basically disprove what you just said.

[@iMernerner]

He actually know how to handle MD/Genesis Synth VERY WELL. He started his sonic team career with Sonic3 and..... KIDS THIS DAYS DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT 3D BLAST FOR GENESIS??? .... Green groove zone anyone? It is easier to Some Higer-Up is Forcing Sonic1 Style Soundfonts Only. Just listen to all those drums. He never used those when he made musics on MD/genesis. And you know, In Japanese company.... Especially if you are a middleman of huge project....You have no creative Freedom. Only few exceptions are exist. Tee Lopes makes Great Music. that is objective Truth. but we need to know he also had ALL the freedom he needed. People just don't understand and makes me have some Boomer moment. Go listen to Sonic 3D Blast's Soundtrack (genesis version) and come back.

[@iMernerner]

​@@FSAPOJakei think he played Saturn version and had car accident and landed with head.

[@min2793]

I guess you could say Sonic Superstars ost goes... up and down and all around

[@KazeShikamaru]

Lots of up and no true down if you ask me.

[@garrtoons4303]

Up and down indeed.... a lot of down for that matter. 😅

[@rush99]

I see what you did there

[@rickster008]

thats what she said

[@supersonikimmy]

“I understood that reference”

[@phoenixdown5181]

For the record, Jun Senoue is a treasure 🙏

[@roadkill_52]

More like a relic of the past

[@TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENT]

@@roadkill_52 your dad probably was a relic of the past ever since he died in the fucking war kiddo knock it off

[@jakoblinton2053]

@@roadkill_52 listen to his remix for sonic colors ultimate, guys still got it . . . when he's not trying to make genesis midis.

[@LilXancheX]

Not as good as ohtani

[@Deinonychus2]

Genesis is just not his forte, we can all agree on that

[@john-vl3mm]

That "I was just jamming with you" was unexpectedly adorable.

[@corndawgtabrocker6969]

Jun is a godly musician, but God damn do not let this man near a Genesis sound font 😭

[@LobotomyTC]

I don't know why people think this is a "Genesis soundfont". It's just a regular off the shelf synthesizer. The Genesis itself is capable of sounding much better than this. If he used the YM2612 and SN76489 to make the music for this game, it probably would have been a fucking banger, because he actually knows how to program for those chips.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

​​​​@@LobotomyTCor y'know... there are other high quality sounding Plug-ins that imitate the sound of the genesis real good, with that he could've easily make his instrument uses consistent, he might've even got a bit creative with it. though i agree, he could've gotten a program like Furnace Tracker to arrange all his genesis songs, or who knows maybe use other sound chips?? that would be awesome...

[@iMernerner]

Do you know this man made many music on real genesis back then?....

[@LobotomyTC]

@kaxcommentssomethingREAL the plugins can't beat the real thing, or realtime chip emulation in a tracker like deflemask though.

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

@@LobotomyTC is the plugin worse sounding than whatever synths he uses though? i know it can't beat the real thing but it probably might be more easier to work with

[@luckykennedy7364]

Jun definitely works best with real instruments.

[@KeltkeGH]

@@reubensalter8125 Sonic 4, Origins and Superstars disprove that

[@sonicspeed3056]

​@@KeltkeGHI think he mean guitars and other similar instruments

[@DLGanimator]

@@KeltkeGH Real instruments, a bit more grounded instruments he meant. The only exception being electric guitars

[@poppyfrancis7338]

Jun is so capable, I really don't understand why he keeps trying to use those synths when he is clearly no good with them. I hope Sega isn't forcing him to try but considering the rest of the tracks from the other composers, I already don't think they are

[@therealinferno161]

Well... the game files have arranged versions of all of Jun's tracks... so, make your bets. AND vice versa for some of Tee's tracks. Smells like dev clash.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@therealinferno161 Here's a Sponge Bob reference. I got a load of awards for Tee Lops. 😤😤😤😤😤😤 Jun Senoue says(WHY CAN'T I DO ANYTHING RIGHT??????)

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Because if you enjoy something and want to get better you use the thing. It is the basics of learning on and improving a skill. I do think the Synths are good, imo, but they don't fit the game.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 While Jun Senoue was involved with Sonic and Knuckles. He wasn't the only composer involved, there's also Sachio Ogawa and Howard Drossin.

[@Schnort]

​@@Buglin_Burger7878Maybe he should practice on something that isn't a full price game.

[@thewackywarden]

I don't even hate Jun's synths, per se. My major problems lie in the fact that 1. They are far too abundant. In a soundtrack as varied as Superstars, there are FAR too many in this style 2. Jun's guitar music fucking slaps SO HARD, and I don't understand why he didn't slip at least a couple in here, given that style is his strongsuit and 3. They are TOO SHORT. ESPECIALLY the boss themes. The mini bosses, the final boss, and even the 2 extra final bosses have very forgettable 15 second loops of very basic and forgettable melodies. After fucking FRONTIERS I really thought they'd nailed down that boss themes are super important, but here the blandness and repetition make me wanna pull my hair out. Honestly, if they don't wanna pay Jun to remaster these tracks in an update or something, I'd happily take a Juke Box DLC. Listening to Generations' Big Arm would make nearly any boss tolerable.

[@shanegiorgio4713]

Considering how long the bosses are, we'd also get to listen to the song in game for more than 20 seconds

[@vividcolorandrichaudio6134]

the boss themes are pretty much the same length as in Sonic 1 and 2, so not really an issue.

[@thewackywarden]

@@vividcolorandrichaudio6134 Sonic 2 boss fights are over in a fraction of the time it takes me to do some of these Superstars bosses. Many of these bosses go on for 5-8 minutes on a GOOD playthrough, and I wound up spending hours on a handful of them. The only boss I ever spent that much time with in Sonic 2 is the final boss, and even that boss is short compared to Superstars if you know what you're doing. So while the song length may be similar, the execution is painfully annoying to me.

[@tjwizzy]

Hot take here, but some of Jun music in this game I do like, and I'm excluding the last act of the game.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

Jun's songs are all around 30 second loops or in the case of the one boss theme...15 seconds. That right there indicates to me he didn't really care about the work he was creating for this soundtrack especially in comparison to all the other artists who made music. You churn out 15-30 second loops if your heart isn't in it

[@RainyGhost190]

They should just focus on making a good soundtrack instead of focusing so much on trying to make it sound like "the classics"

[@ibis03]

The funniest part here is that he actually fails on making good classic-like soundtrack. I'm not sure how exactly to explain it, since I'm not a musician or anything like that, but by just comparing soundtrack from Sonic Superstars (specifically that part made by Jun Senoue) and Sonic 4 with soundtrack from classic trilogy, you can notice a huge difference

[@roadkill_52]

No.

[@elmemearana]

​@@roadkill_52 Yes.

[@JadeJovian]

it's a classic-style game, so classic-style music is the way to go.

[@RainyGhost190]

@@JadeJovian mania didn't have to do that, and it sounds great

[@jaccblacc8424]

Jun is amazing composer but good lord, he should stop using that Genesis soundfont. I mean, he composed an actual Genesis Sonic game (3D Blast) and that game sounded legendary. So what the hell happened?

[@mcknightmareb4u494]

Didn't he compose for the Saturn version though?

[@robbiewalker2831]

@@mcknightmareb4u494 No, that's Richard Jacques.

[@thepuzzlemaster64]

I don't know if it also happened with 3D Blast, but the way the music was composed in Sonic 1 & 2 was they take the music the composer made (usually through a cassette tape), and then someone else would take it and tweak it to sound better on the Genesis. Often times what ended-up happening is that the guy who put the music into the Genesis would change the music to sound better than the original recordings. I think Gamehut still has the original demo tape for 3D Blast on their channel, so you can compare between the two.

[@ExBenzi2]

Maybe someone should provide him with a decent VST or GEMS ;P

[@NAFEDUDE]

​@@thepuzzlemaster64we've heard the original demos for 3D Blast and they sound good

[@linkspokemon4114]

Why sega don't just hire Tee Lopes I mean it's not like he's some big shot musician, he can't be that expensive!

[@OctoMaple]

Hes a video game musician, he's expensive. Especially with those bangers i'd charge high for it

[@Scott...]

Given what happened with Evening Star, I’m sure he’s perfectly fine not being restrained to Sega.

[@dmk_yt]

I mean, SEGA seems somewhat willing to splurge on Sonic music recently, especially with the Sonic Symphony, or even the Sonic Frontiers soundtrack being nearly 7 hours long. I don't think it's that Tee Lopes charges too much where it'd be financially stressful to have him do the whole OST, or even hire him full time. I think it's probably a mixture of a few things: Tee Lopes being tied down with several projects, SEGA really liking to keep Sunoue around , and SEGA also likely just wanting to work with several composers to get the soundtrack done faster. That's just speculation though, I don't really know.

[@OctoMaple]

@@dmk_yt I just wish they went with more a Maina approach to the soundtrack rather than trying to mix somewhat modern and the genesis sound font music, nothing wrong with the genesis sound font just fell like that maina style music would flow better i guess

[@dmk_yt]

@@OctoMaple I agree 100%, I think an OST closer to Mania would've felt more consistent and memorable than the Superstars OST. I think the soundtrack sounds a bit too inconsistent at times. It's not like Frontiers, where the inconsistency in songs felt more distinguished (e.g. hype electronic music for cyberspace, calm piano music for open world, intense rock music for boss fights), Superstars' soundtrack just kind of hops between styles somewhat randomly. Like, the transition from the select screen theme to the options/game menu music is very jarring. Regardless, I don't think the soundtrack is as bad as people make it out to be, just that the lows stick out so much against the highs.

[@Hysteria98]

I KNOW Senoue can still make great music, because Team Sonic Racing is monumental evidence of that. As people say, he needs to stop pandering to a style that isn't his own. I had the fortune of seeing Senoue live in London last month for Sonic Symphony and it was one of the best nights of my life because it was Senoue doing what he does best with his Guitars.

[@Schnort]

I really wonder if it was a choice he made or if it was chosen for him. Either way, I wonder what the point of the decision was.

[@that1weirdkid643]

Ok u give the classic music to Tee lopes, and tomoyama otani and Jun senoue do the modern music, cuz Jun does magic with modern sonic music.

[@WhatIThoughtChannel]

I hate the over-used Mega Drive/Genesis drums of Sonic 4 and Superstars, but the main menu music from this game is the best track. It’s the sole example of them being used appropriately, imo. Only issue is that it’s not long enough and loops too quickly, so it gets repetitive.

[@crashman7968]

You mean thr S1/S2 drums, since other games use different drums, look no further than Sonic 3 or the Sonic 1 Proto

[@tuomasgaming4210]

​@@crashman7968No, they clearly meant the soundfont used for Sonic 4.

[@crashman7968]

@@tuomasgaming4210 there's no soundfont in Sonic 4, those are VSTs

[@tuomasgaming4210]

@@crashman7968 Whatever, it's the same style that is used in Sonic 4. That's what he/she was talking about.

[@robotnikrules7775]

@@crashman7968Sonic 1 Proto is the same samples as the final, just not pitched up

[@pizza-pi]

It's not Jun's fault he isn't a digital music creator. sega should be using their team to everyone's strengths not weaknesses.

[@pushkins26]

It was Juns idea to use that font and make it "le classic", hes a lead composer

[@pizza-pi]

@@pushkins26 where did you come across that info? do you have an interview to share?

[@Racksfield]

its not him thats the problem, its the fact hes being forced to make music in a style hes not known for

[@themonke242]

I believe that Jun Sunoue composed a lot of the themes in the game but other musicians, Tee Lopes, etc, arranged those tracks to their own styles. however, when sunoue arranged his own he used the shitty genesis synths. sunoue can compose good stuff but dear lord keep him away from the synths

[@LobotomyTC]

Those aren't "Genesis synths". They're just normal modern-day synth presets.

[@themonke242]

@LobotomyTC yea idrk what else to call them 😭

[@sneezingcactus5681]

​@@themonke242"sonic 4 synths" would probably be more accurate

[@spindash64]

@@sneezingcactus5681 Yeah, the actually YM2612 synths can give you some REAL nice sounds, with a pretty strong electric guitar impression even by modern standards

[@orangeslash1667]

@@themonke242 Here's a Sponge Bob reference. I got a load of awards for Tee Lops. 😤😤😤😤😤😤 Jun Senoue says(WHY CAN'T I DO ANYTHING RIGHT??????)

[@tomas_crusader1756]

the music quality of this game is so mixed like you have absolute bangers like speed jungle act 1 then you get to a boss fight

[@SlamBolts]

I got jumpscared by that damn Genesis soundfont snare.

[@thevenomspino]

Man is a legendary Modern Sonic music composer, but don't let him make more Classic Sonic music.

[@beargreen1]

Oh yes the music hits

[@PapaLuge]

This is hands down my favourite meme of this 😂

[@billx6545]

On one hand I like tracks like the options theme, it sounds like it could have been from Sonic Heroes just in a genesis style. On the other hand, Speed Jungle is just an all around S tier track.

[@ultradarkbeastmode3983]

In my opinion. What they should've done was keep Tee Lopes on genisis soundfont and then have Jun Senoe's stuff without. Therefore, we get the best of both.

[@A2Adam]

It's synth. Soundfont isn't the correct term.

[@jonahabenhaim1223]

It could work.

[@Blankult]

Grammar

[@CoralCopperHead]

@@A2Adam "Soundfont" is the term for a specific set of sounds used in Synth; they are not mutually exclusive.

[@JadeJovian]

@@CoralCopperHead "soundfont" is a file format.

[@anthonybarber3220]

These two are better together ironically. The invincibility theme is the best example.

[@TheToxicTig3r]

If I hear a sonic 2 drum snare one more time I’m going to crack my nuts.

[@Sonic-VA-]

They both are great but...man Jun really need to get away from the synth. I don't think synth works for him anymore now, maybe he should stick to the guitar and stuff...

[@kaxcommentssomethingREAL]

i'm interested to see how the devs will respond to this outrageous debacle over the game's soundtrack, which doesn't happen with Sonic games very often, some people usually have some slight critiques, but this game... it's a very special case

[@LuigiXHero]

​@@kaxcommentssomethingREALprobably get the wrong idea and never hire Tee Lopes again

[@JadeJovian]

wait until you hear that his modern music also uses synths. even the same ones as Sonic 4 in some cases.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

B-tier soundtrack

[@IkaraPopsicle]

We have the legendary ZUNpet, But we also have the displeasing JUNpet from the sega imitation soundfont

[@Gyrokun]

and then there's the JynXpet which gets mixed reception all around

[@SillyTron_]

Just give this man a guitar PLEASE!!

[@KazeShikamaru]

They're both good.

[@ramsesjfg7668]

Missed opportunity to not use the saxophone parts in Mirage Saloon Act 2 and Metallic Madness Act 2

[@The_Admiral_Angel]

This is almost like the equivalent of Tomoya Ohtani's music style from Unleashed to his style from Forces. It made me wonder why he swapped from amazing fast-paced orchestral tracks, to whatever the hell he was doing with synths in Forces. A lot of the music he did in the Cyberspace levels in Frontiers were major improvements and bops, though. Jun Senoue, on the other hand, has used a Genesis soundfont in at least 4 to 5 games, and has yet to show clear improvement with it. At that point, he really should just stop and stick to what he does best.

[@JadeJovian]

No soundfonts are present in this soundtrack.

[@Mahboishk]

I think Ohtani was just trying something new for Forces, and it didn't work out. He has definite strengths and weaknesses as a composer, recall that he tried to imitate Hideki Naganuma's style for Rush Adventure and while it turned out okay, it was pretty mediocre. His strongest work was definitely Unleashed, but I thought Lost World was really solid too

[@Mazgid]

Putting Jun in the chair of that ersatz-genesis era is probably worst decision that Sega and probably Iizuka ever made. He's belongs to proper music, and not that mediocrity. And I can't even blame Ohtani - guy doing his job great, yet he's not making *sonic* music, he's making his music for sonic, while Jun established what sonic was were about for years to come. Frontiers music is amazing (island theme), but it can be fitted in dozens of games.

[@dragonninja9908]

Imo, release a free OST dlc with Jun's guitars replacing/improving his compositions in the game

[@Excalibur32]

I don't understand what opinion I'm supposed to have here, but I like the music

[@xavierrivera3407]

Jun is still a treasure, it’s just that he’s not good with genesis like songs so when he’s forced to it really shows. Give that man a morden Sonic game and watch him cook so damn good you’d eat what he made off the ground.

[@ikagura]

3D Blast?

[@vividcolorandrichaudio6134]

3D Blast?

[@CrasherX2000]

Sega needs to understand that, while he’s made some good tracks for the 2d games, his best works are for the 3d titles while Tee Lopes is doing God’s work with the 2d soundtracks now

[@crashman7968]

Jun Senoue did pull off the guitar in Sonic Superstars though, specifically in Egg Fortress

[@vividcolorandrichaudio6134]

That wasn't his track

[@JadeJovian]

they are, very clearly, not live guitars.

[@katamari_]

the main menu is the only jun senoue track i genuinely enjoy listening to

[@rfmerrill]

While Jun Senoue did make some good music for Genesis games, his style is wildly different from the "main" composers on those games--Sakamura for 1 and 2, Tatsuyuki Maeda and friends for 3 & Knuckles. Sonic 1 and 2 had a dreamy J-Pop feel to them, while Sonic 3 & Knuckles leaned more into New Jack Swing (even on tracks Michael Jackson had nothing to do with like Mushroom Hill and Marble Garden). Senoue's style is just straight rock and roll. I think the best example for this is 3D Blast (Gen/MD version) where he split the soundtrack about 50/50 with Maeda. You can very clearly tell which tracks were made by whom. Senoue's tracks have a bouncy, happy, almost silly feeling to them (Green Grove). Maeda makes music a lot more atmospheric and foreboding (Rusty Ruin). I think it doesn't make sense to have Senoue write "classic" sonic music, but not because he's lacking in ability. It's because his style just doesn't mesh with it at all. The only parts of classic sonic that are iconic and made by Senoue were the S3&K bonus stage themes, the continue screen music, and the act complete fanfare.

[@MafaroChinyerere]

I mean panic puppet act 1 was more get ready battle then bouncy

[@MafaroChinyerere]

One ive seen his style has changed slot since s&k3

[@shrimbloMale2]

To be fair team sonic racings ost is awesome and tee lopes co composed several tracks on superstars that Jun senoue composed but yes the superstars ost is all over the place In quality

[@nascirgaston5228]

They should’ve let tee lopes do all the music

[@AyaanMuhammadHussain7]

Guys, be nice to Jun. He’s trying his best man. So what if he’s bad with Mega Drive sound font? He is trying and Tee is trying to help him!

[@relzy_tujh3991]

Don't forget to Shadow the hedgehog works

[@Mister_Awesome]

Jun Senoue is giving Sonic 4 vibes again

[@josephfrye7342]

there is no sonic 4 in the Sega Genesis/Sega Megadrive for endless times no matter that im saying it and im saying it again in front of the sonic community there is no sonic 4 in the Sega Genesis/Sega Megadrive there is no sonic 4 in the Sega Genesis/Sega Megadrive there is no sonic 4 in the Sega Genesis/Sega Megadrive there is no sonic 4 in the Sega Genesis/Sega Megadrive there is no flipping sonic 4 in the Sega Genesis/Sega Megadrive

[@CCShakeCatYT]

Am I REALLY the only one who likes all of the soundtrack? Not only that, but Superstars as a whole

[@fieratheproud]

Well, looks like there's two of us at least

[@heheheiamthethirdnatsukitten]

three@@fieratheproud

[@CCShakeCatYT]

Does that mean that you like all of the soundtrack despite what people say about the emulatd classic style of Jun's tracks

[@heheheiamthethirdnatsukitten]

sky temple unironically bangs ngl@@CCShakeCatYT

[@GregCubed]

They keep wasting Jun on C-list games and classic sonic when he should be composing for the main games still, the Adventure era soundtracks are yet to be topped 😭 I like Ohtani's work too but come on let them collab on a game again like they did for SA2

[@ikagura]

Sorry but Unleashed, Colours and Generations OST are equivalent of the Adventure era.

[@GregCubed]

@@ikagura Great soundtracks but personally fall slightly below imo. Unfortunately I don’t think Ohtani has produced a banger soundtrack since Colors though.

[@jennisgurung2760]

@@GregCubedYou didn’t like Frontiers soundtrack? That OST had a lot of diversity with Cyberspace, Island themes and the vocal themes

[@GregCubed]

@@jennisgurung2760 the vocal themes were mostly good, but the rest was all forgettable. The island themes were all just ambient slow BOTW knockoffs and the cyberspace themes weren’t any more memorable than the stages themselves, just a bunch of electronic tracks that all blend together. Doesn’t hold a candle to the Jun soundtracks or even the old Ohtani soundtracks like Unleashed or Colors.

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

Speed Jungle Act 1, man 🔥🔥🔥

[@toamatoro570]

I'm never going to trust Jun with a 2d Sonic game again. The guy can do great things with an actual guitar but don't let him touch synth. I'm honestly baffled how he seemingly hasn't learned in the past decade. Does he even listen to feedback? Surely he saw how Sonic 4's soundtrack was received.

[@StateOfTheMind11225]

Technically Sonic 4 Episode 2 was full of bangers compared to Episode 1, people liked White Park and a lot of levels at the time but yeah I agree.

[@vividcolorandrichaudio6134]

OMG JOON SENOO USING S*NTHS 🤢🤢🤢 HOW DARE HE???????? kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWHQhZyErciYgacsi=TlAVkpGxcRV0ChT_

[@Persac7]

0:18 sonic 4 epiosde 3 leaks

[@Sonic983.]

Ok but jokes aside I genuinely really like golden capital act 1

[@PeterEgbuna-ne9bp]

I'll say this again for the hundreth time. GIVE.👏CLASSIC.👏SONIC.👏 GUITARS.👏 AGAIN. 👏PLEASE.

[@RyneMcKinney]

This is true on so many levels

[@burgerboy3461]

Tee Lopes hit it out of the park for sure❤

[@VongolaXZax]

Apart from the video. It's funny how Bart can represent a person, who has not grooved and jamed in a looong time, so he's a bit rusty, while Lisa represents a youth, who is just simply vibing to the tunes, much to Bart frustration lol.

[@Leetheslayer]

For gods sake true

[@diegorocha6931]

Jun Senoue making classic song is like an Irish trying to do R&B

[@officialFredDurstfanclub]

Jun is a fantastic composer, he just needs to stay away from that fucking Genesis synth

[@user-sv3cr9el6g]

The boss theme kinda slaps tho

[@agreedboarart3188]

The boss theme is painful to listen to.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@agreedboarart3188 Here's a Sponge Bob reference. I got a load of awards for Tee Lops. 😤😤😤😤😤😤 Jun Senoue says(WHY CAN'T I DO ANYTHING RIGHT??????)

[@garrtoons4303]

This is why Jun stays on the guitar and nowhere else..... NOWHERE ELSE!

[@JadeJovian]

(nobody tell this man that his modern music also uses synths. even the same ones as Sonic 4 in some cases)

[@MisterPoleyYT]

honestly jun should have emulated the classic style making songs that sound like sonic cd or sonic 3, but no, he had to use that genesis soundfont

[@LostSoulSilver]

How did you find a thumbnail so specific and fitting?

[@SonicBeatz2023]

They're both great

[@RrizIIDX]

I fuck with Jun but could he like take notes from Knuckles Caotix please??

[@StarkMaximum]

The songs in this meme aren't even like, awful...they almost have a retro charm to them. But put them next to Tee Lopes' stuff, and it's like a whole different level. Jun's songs here sound like music I'd bob my head to while playing the game. Tee's songs sound like things I'd seek out to jam to while doing other things, like I've done many times with the Sonic Mania soundtrack. Those are the songs that stick with me, not Jun being asked to just use the Genesis soundfont again to try to prey on nostalgia.

[@robotnikrules7775]

He isn’t using a soundfont, he’s using a Korg Triton synth

[@vividcolorandrichaudio6134]

@@robotnikrules7775 Not Korg Triton either, that was only used in Episode I, but close enough.

[@Mannuloco]

I think Senoue's compositions wouldn't be that bad if he didn't use agonizing cats as an instrument.

[@agreedboarart3188]

Fans to Jun Senoue: "I told you not to TOUCH IT!"

[@josephfrye7342]

Oy fans just bugger off and leave Jun Senoue alone.

[@ct2xperience749]

Sounds like 16 bit sound music vs 32 bit.

[@Jetterz1999]

It doesn't help that Tee Lopes is a god with video game ost's. Streets of Rage 4, TMNT Shredder's Revenge, every track he's involved in comes out amazing

[@clownpal697]

Tee Lopes is my favorite still

[@NoobGamer.65]

Cuidemos a Tomoya Othani

[@Adrian.R850]

Jun is a wonderful musician, the problem is that ever since he showed his skills with Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, SEGA took him as their musical gifted kid and they keep forcing him to compose music with a style and a soundfont he simply does not grasp as well as real instruments. But he's still done very good tracks considering how average Superstars's OST is.

[@foofofdeath]

Poor Jun 😔

[@OmegaChase1002]

There's only so much Jun can do with Sega's bogus restrictions and mandates.

[@LazerBoy75]

Master and Student.

[@rickster008]

both sounds good to me

[@user-nq9lv2by1c]

idk how much id love sonic as a whole if it wasn’t for juns tracks I’m gonna keep it real, so believe me the man can cook, but for some reason sega thought it would be a good idea to force him to work with stuff hes not used to to produce some sonic 4 sounding ahh beats.

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodSpartan]

I feel like if Senoue was allowed, or allowed himself, to create the kind of tracks that he's good at making for Classic Sonic, we'd be hearing some good stuff. Just listen to his Mega Man 4 Medley he did for Smash.

[@hikaru9624]

Clearly not his best work nor his strong point. But he's still an absolute legend!

[@DTFauxClassic]

I think what especially makes the Genesis soundfont more frustrating is that they already forego the pixelated aesthetics of the "classic" style by making sprites and assets into 3D models [obviously, because it's cheaper in the long run, but that's fair]. But in making the visuals 3D while sticking with mediocre "retro" music, it makes the experience just feel jarring. Especially considering Sonic has been breaking free from that "retro" sound since CD/3&K.

[@sonicfan2403]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if SEGA was telling him to do these 'Genesis' synths and if he had to go against their wishes, he would possibly get into trouble for not following their decisions.

[@This-is-a-commentt]

Ok, so you’re telling me, jun worked on flying battery zone’s theme… and then sonic 4 happened?

[@homerogordo5548]

Tee Lopes will be a GOD in sonic or TMNT

[@Rigbone64]

Still cool

[@Mrbonzon_]

Who let Jun listen to sonic 2 music…

[@sunkistwaves]

This game and Sonic 4 need an Arranged Soundtrack so Jun can really strut his stuff. The Splash Hill Remix for the session he and Tee did is clear evidence of that.

[@esmooth919]

The crazy thing is, there is evidence (including this soundtrack) That both Jun and Tee work very well together. I just wish Jun would stop trying to emulate the Sega Genesis whenever he does classic sonic music. It just doesn't work... Except for press factory zone act 1. Make no mistake, this man is a great musician. But his instrument choices for classic sonic music are quite poor. He's had some bangers on Sonic 3D blast Genesis, but that's because he gave his demos to a soundchip programmer, And they did the rest. And we know that those compositions are bangers, because they show up again in Sonic adventure.

[@sikosonix901]

I actually like Jun's tracks, (I will protect Press Factory forever) but I do understand that the sound it self isn't the greatest. It's not downright awful, but it can be better.

[@Marku912]

I think most of the level themes in this game fucking slap!! The boss themes could go harder but I was jamming through them acts!

[@sikosonix901]

@@Marku912 Yeah! Finally, somebody who can appreciate Jun's Genesis tracks! 🤝

[@jeremyabbott4537]

honestly that was one track I feel he slapped with. I loved how he used that genesis guitar there. He really needed to go hard like that with the rest of his tracks because I feel like that was the only one he went hard with.

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

Yeah the tonal clash is unreal... I still feel like they need a composer if they do 2d sonic again. _i really. Really don't like how squeaky the sonic 4 soundfont is_ Hell it doesn't even have to be tee lopes, I'd be happy if it was new blood that knew how to write good tunes. As someone who wants to just finish the second campaign hearing the intro to the miniboss theme over and over and over i just want to die inside. Is this what people meant the desperation mode theme of sonic 4 episode 2 is like watching someone crush a cat? ....cause my cats hurt from it

[@VongolaXZax]

Lmao, why didn't i get this sooner?😂 And I understand that this isn't a hate video on Jun, just a funny comparison between him and Tee Lopes.

[@Chadius]

The Super Smash Bros. Brawl remix lives rent free in my head. I wish Jun Senoue would stick to that style more.

[@DRAGONBALLEGENDS_FAN]

You should choose between tee lopes and juns music in superstars

[@reggielacey2235]

I liked the music

[@sonfallen.6-7_5]

nice

[@SpanielTower]

Jun you gotta stop with that snare drum

[@SanicConnoisseur_91]

I kept getting sonic 4 Vietnam flashbacks

[@killakira346]

Tee lopes and the other composers were killing it (just not Jun)

[@KingStr0ng]

Sonic Team taking a major L by not keeping Jun and Crush 40.

[@jennisgurung2760]

Sonic Team? You mean SEGA, right?

[@Moff1999]

Idk what it is with Jun and the sonic 4 vibes 😂