Sonic TALK 798 - Moog Muse, Randomachine, Lush BVs

Guests: Yoad Nevo, Richard Nicol and Paulee Bow
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[@DoctorRevers]

Great show. Great guests. Love the frequent Richard N visits.

[@crosswick]

A big part of the Carpenters vocal sound was due to their collaboration with Gene Puerling, one of the greats in the history of close harmony arrangement and production. Loved Yoad’s comments about Karen’s drumming btw - she was a total bad ass, there’s great clips of her drumming online

[@digital_crickets]

Yoad: *strum* "No" Classic moment!

[@BF-up5xw]

Today, having received delivery of my first hardware polysynth (Prophet 08), I was in the perfect mood to watch an informed and entertaining discussion about gear. Because for once, I don't want any of it! I love my new synth!

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

Its not a bug - it´s the Future ,-

[@kierenmoore3236]

Muse is only 6-voice, not 8 … ? And do we know it’s fully-analog … ? There was some pretty thick phaser, and some delay, applied to it in the video, which was presumably internal FX … ?! So many knobs, buttons, sliders … it’s not going to be cheap … especially if it’s 8-voice, fully-analog, like everyone thought …

[@McEnroe911]

It’s 8 voices. It says it right on the panel.

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@McEnroe911 Yeah, thanks - I thought so … not sure why Nick was talking about 6 voices, then … ? It also says it’s analog (so, presumably, fully analog) on the front panel. This won’t be a cheap synth. Well over $3k, surely …

[@sonicstate]

Yeah apologies. I'm not sure how I got to 6

[@photonjiagu]

It is interesting to note that in 1975 Playboy Magazine poll ranked Karen Carpenter as the best drummer in the world which greatly angered John Bonham of Led Zeppelin at the time of his alcohol overdose induced death.

[@mrfeenix1]

Thanks

[@EchoKraft]

Looks like a sequential circuits piece the new Moog

[@bobhoran9778]

Some artists turn their Roland labels into Poland.

[@kierenmoore3236]

Unfortunately, though, it’s then pronounced Poo-land … because, synth-culture … 😉

[@Pytchblend]

Great show guys!

[@KordTaylor]

I love how the 1010music Tangerine has multi sampling built-in.

[@KordTaylor]

Nice Chapman Stick reference 👏🏻

[@gdel5104]

Call Richard.. That's a T-Shirt idea there.. LOL!

[@freejazzbone]

thanks for sharing, good episode on music/gear as always

[@SwagwarStizzy]

go for it paulee

[@bobneumann9781]

Richard Nicol reminds me of Seth Rogan. Strickly a compliment on his humorous take on difficult subjects.

[@sonicstate]

Yeah it's a neat feature

[@leslie1526]

Hey Nick, to get in touch with Moog these days, you need to call Chinese manufacturer 😜

[@sonicstate]

Actually not so, I'm now in touch

[@Dan81]

The reason people say Mogue rather than Moog, is because Bob’s wife was a teacher and she was tormented by her students. They used to call her like a cow, Mrs Moooooooog. So to stop this he told her to tell them it’s pronounced Mogue not Moog. Which just stuck. This is common knowledge if you have read the book 😂. So it is actually MOOG.

[@kierenmoore3236]

Sorry, but “you’re gonna miss stuff”, is BS … especially for the prices these companies charge … try being that negligent in any other serious field/industry … I’m talking relatively fundamental stuff, that suggests carelessness/ineptitude, as opposed to care, which is far too common, it seems. Consumers need to be more circumspect … because if companies think they can get away with putting out a crappy, ‘minimum viable product’, and commenters will make weak excuses for them (like apologists for gods), they sure will … 😒

[@AntonMochalin]

First, people who buy synths are usually happy to pay that money. Also, when one dislikes some hardware it's usually quite easy to sell it on used market. And to think of it almost every modern synth has a lot of potential. And if one is really on a tight budget a super cheap PC with some free VSTs will do the same as a ton of synths. I really don't get what's to complain about in the current situation with music production technology.

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@AntonMochalin You’re talking at cross-purposes … I didn’t say synths were too expensive. There are all sorts of options, in all sorts of price-brackets. But there is no excuse for putting out synths with obvious flaws and/or limitations that do not live up to their promise. The fact that these are often not-inexpensive machines, just makes it even worse. Then you have QC, which is a whole other problem for some manufacturers … Do not accept crap/excuses for your hard-earned money, people. Vote with your dollars … wait for reviews; din’t buy crap; and if they send you crap, send it right back. It’s unacceptable.

[@AntonMochalin]

@@kierenmoore3236 On one hand I definitely agree with your advice and mostly do as you said (except for sending hardware back to manufacturers - too much of a hassle for me) but I still stand with what I said - people are more than willing to buy hardware even with all sorts of deficiencies, some are just collectors, others don't consider those deficiencies really important and still love the devices, some are buying hardware to try it and then resell on used market if it doesn't fit, a small portion of buyers do return hardware to manufacturers. I'd say that if one isn't willing to spend money on music gear just for the fun of trying new things it's better to stick to a computer with a DAW and some MIDI controllers which most of the time are actually of good quality and do what's written on the box and are still of much use many years down the road. If one is willing to spend only little money on the fun of trying music gear the used market is the first place to check, there are insane deals there as many owners sell hardware just to clear the space for some new hardware they are going to try. But if one's just heard the announcement of some device and thought "I want to try it" and has the money I'd look at it as "am I going to spend money on the fun of trying a new thing which can turn out not what I need" rather than "is it a good piece of hardware that's worth my money and time learning it". Hardware synths bought new are I would say NEVER worth our money because PCs with proper software and some controllers offer so much more. However THE FUN of trying a new synth can definitely be worth one's money if one has enough money to spend. View buying synth hardware as a trip to Disneyland not as a trip to a Walmart store.

[@leslie1526]

Moog is gone I’m afraid and about time as well. No innovation for past many, many years -just recycling same over and over again