Ableton Move Hardware - In Depth SonicLAB Presentation

[@fairaintfair1542]

Can't wait! It will look super sweet sitting next to my Push, on the shelf, covered in dust.

[@Dispatcher813]

@@fairaintfair1542 lol

[@minimal3734]

It seems the Novation Circuits were a great inspiration for this device.

[@distorson]

Can it do pulse width modulation? Asking for a host

[@sonicstate]

Damn, I knew there was something we forgot to check😉

[@ildarkinildarkin]

@@sonicstate ahaha, classic

[@squarelanguage]

Drift -> Square Wave -> Shape

[@vertigev]

@@sonicstate 🤣

[@HoosierGuy]

That was funny the first 100 times someone posted it 😊

[@truecuckoo]

Looks really nice.

[@youjuhwan9697]

ayyyyy

[@Tripwelleverday]

I like it better than the push for sure the push just looks way too complicated

[@tablaninja]

We can’t wait to see what you do with it! 🎉

[@Filomen7]

Please, do a video with it. That would be awesome !

[@summarity]

Finally a sensible groovebox that dials down the quirkiness and dials up the usefulness without any stupid limitations (like no battery, no mic, limited polyphony, no screen, weird controls, etc.).

[@wesmincic6462]

A rational take on ableton hardware, like finding a unicorn

[@psydelik1]

thanks for unlimited 4 tracks

[@piquantement]

@@psydelik1 any hardware is going to make compromises in order to stay affordable. At this price point it competes with the Circuit, which also has four tracks but much less flexibility for composition.

[@sonicstate]

Actually each drum track has 12 sub tracks doesn't it?

[@summarity]

​@@sonicstate Indeed! That's what I meant with no weird limits on polyphony. Something that annoys me still about the Circuit Tracks, otherwise an almost perfect groovebox. Also, weird how Novation has the same hardware/software (Circuit and Groovebox vs Move and Note) but completely ignored integrating the two).

[@keg3212]

Nick:Could you do this? Ableton Guy:Yes I could, but I'm just going to stick to the script of my presentation. Please stop interrupting me.

[@PeanutButterAM]

😂😂😂 That’s what he does best!

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

I miss the times of guys like Bret Smorenburg, Tommy DeMarco...Guys who really knew the product they were demonstrating and had no problem going out of script.

[@adamanderson1729]

I’m way more excited for this than I thought I would be. It’s going to be really fun to take a piece of Ableton out into places that inspire and see what materializes ❤

[@nruva]

I actually really like it. It seems incredibly intuitive, and looks fun to use. Seems like the perfect mix of features to be creative without being too much, and a great place to just noodle with some sounds before moving them over to the DAW.

[@ilya_taraskin]

the thing after which you will have even more unfinished demos

[@bonwowo]

or more complex sketches which will be easier to finish:)

[@ilya_taraskin]

@@bonwowo I want to be optimistic too, but who are we trying to fool? 😁

[@pjohns92]

The fact this came out the day before I got paid is very suspicious

[@Eurikon]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@meskahmusic]

I have nothing to say but respect. When I heard 4 tracks I was put off but when I realised it could be 4 x 8 voices drumracks with 4 minutes per pad I was sold... TAKE MY MONEY!

[@squarelanguage]

Yeah seems useful to put recorded stems in the drum tracks, though guessing they don’t time stretch

[@meskahmusic]

@@squarelanguage you can warp samples in the sampler in Ableton so guess they should somehow be syncable too. And with the loop option could be a sick 4 x 16 live launch controller

[@distorson]

So I think Brian summarized the essence of the Move: it's enough to make a sketch

[@jm6734]

Yup.. another procrastination machine 😅

[@scyhte82]

@@jm6734 Exactly

[@nrosko]

Yes but one of the best things about it is how easy it is to upload your sketch into live to work with, through the cloud & it appears as a live set.

[@keg3212]

@@nrosko Wow, the cloud.

[@jm6734]

@@keg3212 😂

[@danpreston564]

I really like the icons that light up below the step buttons. Really nice bit of UI design.

[@-ukiyo]

@@danpreston564 as long as you can remember the function of the 8 knobs … for every device …

[@danpreston564]

@@-ukiyo if you use it enough it will become second nature, like all hardware does.

[@-ukiyo]

@@danpreston564 True, but yet a bit strange to think that adding icons to buttons that have only one function is nice UI design. But finding it acceptable that you need touch every encoder for the first 2 months to find out what function is behind it… just my 2 cents :)

[@danpreston564]

@@-ukiyo I like the way they light up to show what you can be using at that moment. Lit up buttons are much easier to see, especially at my age with my eyesight.

[@valdir7426]

@@-ukiyo they'll be displayed on the screen when you touch them (the knobs are touch sensitive apparently)

[@justingoers]

Really want to know about actual synthesis on this thing. Can you load Drift and Wavetable patches made on your computer? Can you access all the synth parameters or not? Can you save your own patches? Will future additions to Move (like additional instruments) cost more money? And most importantly--will my favorite device--shifter--will that effect get added?

[@RobotSnake]

You can make patches on your computer and load them. It is the full engine but only the 8 macros are adjustable.

[@Drrolfski]

At first glance it's ticking all the boxes

[@ILLUDIUM_Q_36]

😂😂😂

[@va941]

Yeah, all the wrong ones 😂😂😂😂

[@RobotSnake]

Yep, already ordered it. Lots of crybabies mad it won't wash their dishes for them. Anyone seriously about completing songs will probably enjoy this. Anyone who just hordes gear and blames lack of features on why they never make anything won't.

[@va941]

@@RobotSnake nice strawman and ad hominem there, cope harder.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

It's ticking all the boxes because it doesn't sit properly on the shelf.

[@valdir7426]

I got no sense of the sequencer; can it do different lengths? speed? chance? random velocity? really not vibing with the whole preset machine thing; it's a bit weird to not have full access to at least one synth. hopefully you can create custom presets with your favorite sounds and synth presets. what about the arpegiator? I'm super interested in the controller mode but we got 30 seconds on it and that's all, why does nobody want to show it more in depth? Mostly I want to know if you can scroll through parameter banks easily (and even if you can see the bank names on top of the name of each parameter) and how the sequencer work. If anyone reads this at ableton I'd really like just a remote controller in this form factor; with maybe the screen of the push; but weirdly nobody seem to want to make such a device (novation?)

[@ilovewhatido]

MPC and FL Studio guy here….this looks awesome.

[@MeerkatMuzic]

Glad Nick got in on the act

[@tyronewilson9698]

No bullshit😂

[@ronzakrin4966]

Hello and velcome to Bad Gear!

[@RinnEryr]

Florian’s jams on this thing are going to be fire, though!

[@newignis]

It is a brilliant concept. The limitations will serve to focus on new music creation. It’s not made for those that want all possible features they may imagine. Love it

[@RootinrPootine]

And I mean, it’s $450 so, isn’t this pretty solid for the price? Like really solid? Keep in mind ableton note is pretty brilliant actually and this is companion hardware. Honestly this would be great for a beginner or an experienced person

[@dontcallmejon]

Shout out for bro's Earth Wind and Fire shirt

[@jm6734]

@@dontcallmejon Best thing about the presentation apart from saving me money.

[@dontcallmejon]

@@jm6734 well after watching cenks demo I think for $450 I think its a better deal that sonicware liven or the ko ii even at $150 more 😂

[@mightycyber8492]

"The size and the ability to use it as a controller or synth in standalone mode is just perfect for me. Since I travel a lot, it was always difficult with the Push 3 Standalone - it was simply too big and too heavy."

[@keg3212]

"I struggle to hold an item that weighs more than a loaf of bread"

[@theopinions47]

@@mightycyber8492 and expensive don’t forget that

[@icarusz000]

😂

[@jparty]

Its great but a little weird to me they didnt use the same pads as the push3! Only having pressure vs full "3D" of push3 feels like a real missed opportunity. Still looks cool though!

[@CraigCrouse]

@@jparty do you want to pay 1000 for it?

[@donnytheflow]

With all of that, you'd have no place else to move 2

[@ChristopherOrth]

They need some reason for you to want the Push

[@XanderEwald]

I already have a powerful sketch pad with me at all times: My phone. I barely ever use it to make music on the bus though, so I highly doubt that Move would ever leave my room.

[@milk_bath]

Very insightful. We are all better for you sharing your opinion and experience.

[@obshaky]

I agree. For the price you can get the latest Ipad mini with extra money for a controller and/or some apps like Beatmaker, AUM, etc.

[@newignis]

Such instrument doesn’t want to be powerful. It only wants to be a sketchbook keeping you in the zone, whereby the limitations aid you in focusing on your musical creativity instead of getting diverted into technical abilities. If however one wants to browse the internet and talk to friends at the same time, phones and iPads are ideal. For me personally when I want to create new music, I want to be as far away as possible from these multifunctional distractions.

[@RootinrPootine]

@@newignisno matter how many times people say what you said, people still don’t get it

[@scyhte82]

I don't get the tiny display. Would it hurt them to include a display showing all 8 knobs parameters? I hate this kinda stuff.

[@milk_bath]

Added cost.

[@mytrixstars]

I need to say it: Move is an iPad App! I use longtime Ableton Note and everything what we see can be done on an iPad in an App. Of course, plenty of people love to have something in their hands, but it's sad that Ableton not just do that in an iPad App and everything can save $449. So maybe in the future they think about that.

[@AndriSoren]

Great video and overview. Really like what Ableton has come up with here, and makes a lot of sense to me. Kudos to Johannes and Brian for the walkthrough as well, these are an art form and often nerve-wracking! Cheers Nick & team!

[@WoodyPianoShack]

intriguing product at a reasonable price, congrats to ableton on the launch and thanks to sonicstate for another great video.

[@darrenhale3559]

I use my Push 3 on the go all the time so it would be nice to have something in a smaller factor. The Push 3 fits in my backpack but it's pretty weighty in standalone guise!

[@VJFranzK]

What I wanted was between the two!

[@3tree]

Thanks for this Nick and team, look forward to hearing the thoughts on the live show tomorrow. It looks like a great device for producers on the move, who like to kick off ideas anywhere. Re-sampling the output into a pad, in order to 'bounce' track(s), looks helpful to free up the four track constraint.

[@marclemar]

Does this thing have the same real time stretch/ warp capabilities? If so I’d get it just to be a looper for my MPC that sucks at warping. That’s my only use for it well and as a unique midi keyboard for my MPC

[@valuemastery]

Can you build new tones from scratch using the built-in synthesizers, i.e. do sound design?

[@justingoers]

I really want to see the synthesis features as well.

[@Moh-Tor]

AFAICT, sound design is limited - there are 8 macro controls that are automatically assigned, but the full synths’ parameters seem to be unavailable

[@HANGINGOUTWITHAUDIOPHILES]

Great job Nick. This is the best video for move for me. Looking really crisp too.

[@findjonmoses]

25:13 Hmmm…no time stretching yet…I will wait till it’s supported

[@subsonicpulse2889]

There is a raspberry 4 inside… so I smell a bright future for this device… big potential for expansion…. You could even imagine multiple audio applications on this device 🎉

[@gabenght9316]

But you only load up presets from lets say wavetable, you cant actually control the synth right?

[@AntoineFromentin]

Finally a nice track showcased at the end. Really pumped for it.

[@philippequenin6656]

it's something beetween the Novation Circuit and the MC-101, it looks interesting

[@mklschwrtz2]

I really want a comparison between this, the Yamaha Seqtrak, TE PO-133 K.O II and maybe Roland MC-101. Would be a really interesting video!

[@okaytony1540]

@@mklschwrtz2 the biggest comparison to me with the ko2 is that this one has resampling, and exports full projects, not just audio into Ableton. I would love to see how well the two units sync and play together.

[@mklschwrtz2]

@@okaytony1540 Yeah that would be interesting aswell! We're starting to get some nice grooveboxes in this segment and it would be cool to see how well they get along!

[@PalaceofVision]

I'm really enjoying my SEQTRAK, I can see a load of similarities both in terms of potential and limitations. I think if you're already into Ableton, then this is a great little tool. Part of the creative potential of this is its limitations, what can you do with 4 tracks rather than an unlimited number, for instance.

[@mklschwrtz2]

@@PalaceofVision Yeah the Seqtrak is on top of my list, I think. A Seqtrak and a nice 25 key MIDI keyboard or such should be perfect for me. Do you know if it's possible to connect something like a Launchpad Mini or such to the Seqtrak instead of a keyboard? I'm much more used to play chords and whatnot with pads. Not exactly a piano player, lol.

[@EnochDark]

or even the more obvious this vs Circuits

[@wavesequencer]

Decent sample memory/time, intuitive looking interface. Now curious about real-time MIDI recording from an external keyboard and polyphony per part (not sure if it was mentioned in the video - but not specified on the website currently). Possibly a replacement for the SH4D that I already moved on.

[@sonicstate]

8 voices per synth they said

[@wavesequencer]

@@sonicstate Reasonable.. cool.

[@jantuitman]

The ergonomics of this look fabulous, I really like that there are pads and step sequence buttons, and not “you must flip between the one and the other” (Roland MC-101) “there are only 7 melodic buttons” (Seqtrak) “you must cursor/ increment buttons for both time and pitch” (Polyend Tracker MIni).

[@phantazzor]

No audio over Bluetooth? And is it possible to switch between controlling live without stopping the audio of the move so we can extend the 4 tracks?

[@justingoers]

audio over Bluetooth isn't really worth it. This isn't something most musical instruments do. The latency is horrendous.

[@phantazzor]

@justingoers true but on the iPad/ios it is ok, if you'd want to pair both might have worked

[@Moh-Tor]

Pretty sure it doesn’t have Bluetooth, only WiFi

[@leemollart8534]

with link does that mean i can link to dj software and plug into a mixer and use in a dj set?

[@Mofonghosst]

My big question is can it chop samples with simpler in standalone and controller mode?!

[@P4TCH5S]

not yet it seems like but they said they have a roadmap of updates commin!

[@hugevibez]

Not having simpler and sampler from the start is wild to me

[@billB101]

Same question here, and if it can how easy is it.

[@dondvil5538]

Why wouldn't they add sample chop, SSD card, and arrange. Could have been a MPC Live competitor.

[@landonh3535]

It's coming down the road, these are all the things they are adding to Note/Move (guessing in order of release) This is from one of the Note OS Devs: Sequencing Notes Audio Tracks AUv3 Chord Tools More FX Time Signatures Slicing Separately we're tracking pain points: Sample Editing Bluetooth Audio Note Grid/Sequencing Sample Import Capture

[@hadror13]

Can it connect to 'Note' app as controller?

[@WoodyAki]

Something inside tells me that pairing Ableton Move with the Roland SH-4D would be a proper setup. No idea why...

[@domeniquexander_]

wow 🤩 great device for ideas..Love it! Goosebumps at the end. Well played. 🔥🔥🔥

[@nathanreeser955]

This is gonna spawn so much creation, I love It!!!!!

[@unotoli]

Wow, it looks like an end-game device. Just add your favourite keyboard for the occasion (mini midi, 37 full keys or weighted), headphones and a drink.

[@va941]

The thing is, company a releases a product, its full of bugs and missing features etc, i go, cool, but will have tonwait and see howntheybsupport this down thebline, after a year or so company b releases a similar product with the same issues, and so the loop continues, and im sitting here, without a proper fully functional groovebox, thinking to myself, when is a company going to release a serious piece of kit?

[@fumarolas]

very cool workflow, only thing is, from what I got you can't import your own existing drumracks or even your own Drift sounds to Move, hope they address that

[@KYTHERAOfficial]

lol for real? This would be so stupid, would make it absolutely useless :D

[@DuckTreeGaming]

you can import drum racks they said in a video. i think they're working on importing drift presets. i hope they keep adding the ability to use more devices too

[@justinsomuch6324]

These are the best kind of videos to showcase new gear. Ableton really needs to stop with all the cinematic hipster fashion shoots and just get real people talking about the product.

[@PHILCOLLINSism]

@@justinsomuch6324 you realize this is Ableton you’re talking about…

[@victorroberts4637]

Ha! Well I’ll be… a year ago I commented on your Push standalone vid that I’d prefer a 4x8 pad version and this is…. Almost it - need to know if it’s possible to chop up a break. Happy to do it by ear with the knobs, less screen can make it more intuitive once you get to know it. Would also want probability/midi effects. Only two audio effects per track is a bit sad though.

[@joshuakalani590]

I was worried about the 4 tracks and hoping for 8 but after this demonstration it seems okay and gona take some getting used to making tracks like back in the 90"s. Just drums, bass , vocals, and maybe keys and some post production later on the computer. Am sold.

[@billB101]

Sure they could up this to 8 tracks with a software update, 4 tracks really isn't enough.

[@pixelplayground]

@@billB101 I think it was Johannes who said that they'd optimised the Move so you could run four instances of drift / wavetable with up to 8 voices each without hitting the resource limits. If they doubled the track count that would almost certainly exceed the resources and end up with dropped voices or stuttering. I think they're dead set on the user experience being as solid as possible, so my money says that the Move will remain a four track device. I personally think that for a sketchpad type device, 4 tracks is fine, but you can always resample if you need more.

[@matthewtwist4691]

​@@billB101 Never happen. Instead, let me introduce the Move Along. It's your 8 track, 8x8 grid upsize version of the original Move.

[@billB101]

@@matthewtwist4691 Don't give up your day job.

[@mCKENIC]

I find it much more interesting than I thought I would. 4 tracks is 😞 but resampling and (hopefully, eventually) importing your own drum racks is 🙂. Would need a chopping and probability stuff demo - actually just send Ned Rush one and I'll decide after he breaks the universe with it! At €110 per track, please can we have M4L device support? Thanks Nick!

[@milk_bath]

4 x 16 with drum racks.

[@djkanyon]

Wait, no proper Midi-Out... what kind of devices it suppose to work with? Do you guys know any gear that recieve midi clock by usb-midi? I have fair share of synths and none of them have this functionality...

[@el_dani]

Any device with an USB port does it..

[@patrickpoggensee6333]

Also there are midi usb adapter

[@latenightfortunecookie]

This is not a midi-controller

[@Psioxify]

just get a usb to midi cable and it works fine

[@el_dani]

@@latenightfortunecookie it kinda could be for Ableton Live

[@nekrodamusas]

Beat loopop to it! Shame about the vape screen lol Edit: I actually love it!

[@big-baby-buddha]

😜

[@sonicstate]

It is small yes, but actually the workflow and UI are really nicely thought out

[@lk0707]

Vape screen 😂

[@therealone1288]

Good loopop is cringe

[@nekrodamusas]

@@sonicstateI wholeheartedly agree, just thought I have seen this before 😂

[@rodrigolaporte274]

Soooo they've 'invented' a novation circuit 9 years later! so edgy I was hoping for a push standalone with more horsepower, but oh well

[@piquantement]

As a circuit user, from what I can see, this looks like a significant upgrade to me, if it works like it promises. The circuit tracks is limited to 32 steps per clip and doesn't have looping controls like this. You're also forced to use two synth tracks and two sample tracks. It's also only $50 more than a Tracks. I think it's pretty compelling.

[@Maurizio_909]

Has anyone seen if there are any probability or chance functions? I couldn’t find anything about it in the KZbin videos or the user manual.

[@trntzx00]

not yet, hopefully a future update

[@mastmusician]

@@Maurizio_909 highly doubt it. It’s designed to be simple and then you take the sketch into Live or Push for these features

[@MartinStuertzer]

27:55 just to make sure I got this right: you can save only 8 sets and need to pay for a cloud service if you want more? What happened to "connect with with a damn cable"?

[@chrisward000]

I think you can store unlimited locally on your laptop, it’s just the cloud storage that has a limit for free.

[@vinylselektaz6475]

Can you save your tracks directly on this unit ?

[@mediapoduk]

Great presentation - understand it much more than I did this morning!

[@pcfirebeats]

It is quite interesting, but at 450€ having only 4 tracks is a let-down IMO, also it could have some audio tracks for simple recording a vocal, an acoustic guitar or something like it. Personally, I would love to be able to record an electric guitar/bass on it. Bluetooth or SD cards could be useful too. I wonder if they plan to update it with more instruments and fx. It don't seems to share the upgradability/repairability they professed for Push 3?

[@milk_bath]

4 tracks that can all be drum rack. 4 x 16 sequencers. Education is fundamental.

[@pcfirebeats]

@@milk_bath that wont give me 64 synths...

[@milk_bath]

@@pcfirebeats Why do you need 64 synths? You know you can put samples of synths in a drum rack, yeah?

[@pcfirebeats]

@@milk_bath I don't want to put samples of a synth in a drum rack. Normally I want to use at least 8 synths for my projects with full control of said synths.

[@milk_bath]

@@pcfirebeats Why do you need 64 synths?

[@ManCalledMif]

. Definitely a good move to simplify the push. (KO2 was an influential device🤩)

[@alaeifR]

This will be interesting in a few years after it's through it's adolescence. Until then maybe something for the kids.

[@fabiantombers4966]

So it’s kind of like a novation circuit lite but more expensive? :D

[@JeremyForTheWin]

@@fabiantombers4966 and it has a screen

[@piquantement]

What's lite about it? This seems mostly more powerful than the circuit to me (circuit may have a little more synth engine customization going on, and has the midi out).

[@fabiantombers4966]

@@piquantement I'm joking a little. it looks actually pretty cool and I'm an avid circuit user and thought move could be a similar workflow but more versatile. I love the super fast workflow of the circuits but I never really loved the sound of the nova synth engine inside. I use them live and built my patches in the stupid editor. Having the ableton synths and maybe an ableton to move workflow would have been super interesting to me. unfortunately I'm afraid that the current Move specs won't do that for me. give me the same thing with ableton to move compatibility (of some limited form ofc) and deeper control over the synths on the unit itself and I'm interested! :)

[@ERYKJACKNIFE]

Can we get some cv and gate out?

[@EnochDark]

I already have a Circuit Rhythm, Tracker MK1 and a Syntakt... What will this do that those don't already do? I still low-key want an SH-4d... At least that ones got more knobs/sliders.

[@distantcomets]

I get what Ableton has in mind with this, but it looks like a fantastic four track live instrument and midi sequencer as well. Could be very very interesting as a Dawless/Live Set tool. I wonder how it handles standard midi in and out...

[@itsdrawkcab5899]

Fun video to watch. Thanks for doing this Nick!

[@eaman11]

I have a Lunchkey 37, Launchpad Pro, when I look at those devices and the limitations they have for the price they cost compared to the ease of use of Ableton on a laptop it blows my mind that people want to spend time on those.

[@MarctheDarc]

Sigh. Not surprised, so can't really call it disappointing... But just _sigh..._ I suppose it's their deranged way of admitting; they charge way too much for the Push 3. But rather than fix it, they just compound the issue.

[@SH-ry2xi]

Yep

[@Naotaku]

I was being skeptical when I first saw it, but the workflow is genius. I may need to write to Santa :)

[@HarMegiddo]

Also the performer from Ableton killed it

[@avtargill]

Does the case have a hard, smooth plastic? Or that almost rubber-like finish that the Push 2 had which would show a million fingerprints and grease after using it?

[@i_am_axy]

4:30 the CRACK bro 😭 literally had 2 devices lmao

[@blankspace0000]

At first i thought it was too expensive but given that it is standalone i think it is ok. Just wish it had a bigger screen.

[@EnochDark]

at least it has one, unlike the Circuits.

[@chrisliddiard725]

I wondered about the recent OP-1 Hype, now we know why. Ableton was PUSHing at the mountain, now they have well and truly MOVED it. The OP-1 landscape has suddenly SHIFTED.

[@ickekiecke]

24:44 no, you can not at new Tracks..Note has 8 and move has just 4..find the mistake..

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

ok this is something totally new and innovative, the power of a heavyweight Audiosoftware company in a lil hardware device.

[@vertigev]

This looks great and is cheaper than I would have expected for the feature set.

[@bassyey]

Can this thing do jazz drumming? I've been studying jazz guitar and bass. And it's really hard to find drum machines for it. I don't to go to youtube anytime because there are times where I'm just offline and away from my phone and pc, I just want to press something and randomize some jazz drumming.

[@hajdro]

When comparing to Push, how would you describe it? Is it "Push Lite"? Is Live Standard edition enough to work on the set created on Move (including its instruments) or Suite edition is required?

[@ZETONEproductions]

My vape for 30 dollars got a bigger oled screen .. even multi colored …

[@Johnny-Hash]

@@ZETONEproductions buy an iPad then.

[@obshaky]

😂

[@pixelplayground]

my vape was £400 but it does have polyphonic aftertouch

[@ZETONEproductions]

@@Johnny-Hash I know this but and have several iPads .. but I like tactile buttons pads etc .. if the move had 8 tracks and a little bigger screen so you v can see sample waves and edit ( not touch) I would consider to buy this machine .. but micro screen with 4 tracks is a big no no for me ..

[@Johnny-Hash]

@@ZETONEproductions You have a lot of gear. You don't need the Ableton Move to do anything. I use to sell Pro Audio to guys like you. You have no use with the Ableton Move and you know it.

[@nectariosm]

As an Ableton Live suite owner, I have 0 interest in this and I am glad that 12.1 is finally out. I hope this sells well and generates more money for Ableton to keep developing the software. As an MPC Live mk1 owner, I have no idea why someone would splash out used MPC Live 1 prices for something so incredibly limited...but like I said, I hope this is a marketing success for the company.

[@phantazzor]

The novation circuit on steroids, you were really good nick thanks

[@Kadam_]

I’m thinking of selling my Circuit and buying this Ableton Move, but first, i’m waiting for Cuckoo’s review

[@phantazzor]

is it possible to switch between controlling live to the 4 tracks without stopping the audio of the move so we can extend the 4 tracks?

[@MiaNomoNomo]

Looks interesting. However, integration with Ableton Note has one major issue - it's only available for iPhone.

[@el_dani]

also iPad - it‘s not Abletons fault when Android does sloppy audio processing

[@albaaaaaaaable]

all I want to know is can I use it as a controller for analog synths/drum machines? But if it is not possible to use it as a controller for ableton maybe is not worth it....

[@obshaky]

Looks intriguing but I already have a Push 3 and use Note when out and they integrate well enough. Not sure if bringing hardware to the Note workflow (and do it on an Ipad Mini) would work for me but I'll keep an eye on this if they add Push integration in some useful or fun way. Maybe by then it'll be down to $400...

[@IliyanIrmanov]

Finally something to go toe to toe with MC-101. Wait, can you sound design on it? Also can you have different sounds per clip on the same track?

[@flownaut]

you could have 3 drum racks, one for drums, one for basses, one for chords, each pad on the drum rack can be played chromatically so no limits there, and then still use the final track for anything you want, maybe a unique sample thats really modulated or something idk

[@boimesa8190]

How is there not at least a midi mini jack

[@matthewtwist4691]

@@boimesa8190 well there's a USB -A for midi in from another controller, and you've got USB -A to your PC. It's something.

[@boimesa8190]

@@matthewtwist4691 but usb midi gets easily screwed when adding more devices + it's not clearly stated if it's possible to use a usb hub for multiple ins and outs

[@HarMegiddo]

Amazing and sonic state is the best!!! Glad I got my Ableton tattoo years ago

[@va941]

13 years after the og op1....they release this thing...why am i not titilated?

[@ThePointingArrows]

I would say it’s an amazing modern version of the novation circuit. I can’t think off the top of my head any other groovebox in this price range with so much polyphony. And 256 steps worth of sequencer!

[@RootinrPootine]

Yeah I mean, normal complaints about this and that but at this price point I think this is a home run, isn’t it? And a lot more is coming. Note has a hefty feature roadmap. Incredibly well designed app.

[@Alphonso_026]

A damn clever interface I would say. This is minimalism done right! Really like the form factor. Internal mic and poly aftertouch are just fantastic! (Edit: just heard about the price, damn yes!)

[@krusestephan4009]

The Workflow is easy. Four tracks are enough. And it is much Better than Note app on touch screen. Can one sync it to an MC101?

[@juschu85]

I don't get why they didn't add simple MIDI in and out. I guess you could just connect a MIDI interface to the USB-A port, but I doubt just adding MIDI in and out with some mini jacks wouldn't have driven the costs up that much, while adding a feature that might be important for a lot of people. And MIDI won't eat up a lot of processing power. So there could technically be a lot of plain MIDI tracks to sequence external gear, while you still use all the 4 tracks for the internal instruments. I don't see any scene launch buttons, but with just 4 tracks you don't need them anyway. With 4 internal tracks and a few more pure MIDI tracks, you suddenly really need them. So they need to reuse some of the existing buttons with a shift layer to give us that feature. There are two step sequencer buttons under every column/scene. Perhaps the left one could start this scene and the right one stops all running clips in that scene (that would be another new feature exclusive to Move). Even if that's not yet in the software right now, it shouldn't be a problem to add that with a firmware update. Apparently, they want Move to be the hardware version of Note, which means they should have the same feature set. But there are are MIDI interfaces for iOS devices, so that feature would make sense in Note too. I'm using Android, but as far as I understood iOS music apps, you could even control other audio apps with Note that way.

[@yove2934]

They should have called it 'Ableton Limitations'. From what i've seen it looks kind of limited especially for that price! When will these companies stop trying to rip off their customers?