Kevin Smith Commentary - BATMAN 1989

[@lemmyjoker3678]

This Batman is kind of more mysterious without having his backstory explained. A cool way too approach it

[@jalenjohnson1662]

Exactly, but that approach is just lost on some people.

[@michaelbull4344]

Kind of like a wwe undertaker vibe just mysterious and dark but a bad ass

[@quarantinebored1427]

@@michaelbull4344 good comparison. If anything, they were basing off on the Batman comics from the 1980s: dark knight returns, year one and killing joke. Like those comics, there wasn’t a lot of in-depth explanation on why Bruce became batman.

[@deckofcards87]

​​​@@quarantinebored1427 Actually Tim Burton worked extensively with Bob Kane during the production of Batman '89, and so the internal logic of the character here is in line with the 1930s and 40s original iterations. At least some of it. The rest was just made up for the movie. Burton hadn't personally read any of the comics or been a comic book fan. He said he did the movie because he liked the SCRIPT and knew it would be a profitable blockbuster, not because he liked the character.

[@michaelbull4344]

@@quarantinebored1427facts

[@ToruKun1]

I love Kevin's Tim Burton weird tortured art student voice, "Let's put in mimes becuz mimes are creepeh...I like the idea of Batman eating soup"

[@BrianSmithNow]

Lol.

[@brutallyhonest123]

Yuck

[@daviddemeuse5660]

It’s supposed to be cold

[@NexGenStriker]

This movie is a timeless classic that I will always cherish.

[@Brandon-vy6uw]

It never gets old man. The way they captured Gotham in the Keaton series is so amazing.

[@michaelbull4344]

I agree everyone who was alive remembers where they were when this movie came out so legendary and iconic long live summer 89 bringing everyone together

[@Tarantulisimo]

Regarding Prince's soundtrack album, the legend is that Tim Burton & Jack Nicholson were both huge Prince fans, & Burton had already inserted a couple of Prince tunes (1999 & Baby I'm A Star) into his workprint of the film as placeholders in anticipation of having Prince write new songs for those spots. Prince was then invited over to Pinewood Studios to tour the sets & watch the rough cut, the idea being to inspire Prince to write 2 new songs to insert into these spots where his songs already were. Well, Prince being Prince, he comes back in 2 weeks with a couple dozen songs all written & sung from the perspectives of different characters in the movie (this eventually became the full album & the B-sides) -- And Prince also being Prince, he totally expected ALL of his songs to be used in the final cut of the film (as Kevin alluded to)....Burton was already under immense pressures from WB movie execs, then following Prince's involvement, WB music execs eventually started showing up on set as well, so you had a complete "too many chefs" scenario going on, beacuse everyone realized how huge of a multi-media blockbuster the movie was gonna be -- Burton became so overwhelmed by everything that he eventually cut down the Prince song usage to about 5-6 total when all was said & done, some being barely audible in that final cut of the film. Burton said the whole experience "tainted" his love of Prince, & Prince was also "tainted" by the experience, due the fact that WB ultimately forced him sign over the rights to all Batman-related songs (which is why none of those tunes ever shows up on any compilation or greatest hits album). Nevertheless, everyone involved made TONS of money, especially Nicholson, who not only got a huge salary up front (but less than his usual asking price), but also got points off the total gross at the other end, plus royalties on all imaging, licensing, & merchandising of the Joker....

[@arturiosaunderese8544]

awesome

[@yohei72]

The final film definitely shows that “too many cooks” problem.

[@gspendlove]

They made so much money off this movie....I remember on the videocassette, before the movie played, an advertisement for that free WB catalog, starring Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny. So, being 20 years old and just in love with the Batman movie, I ordered the thing. I ended up not buying anything out of that catalog. You've got to at least give me credit for that; besides, everything was so expensive it was unreal....a Batman ball-scratcher was $50, Batman corn holders, $45, etc. There was a denim jacket studded with cheap rhinestones for $500, I shit you not. This was 1990! Nobody but rich kids had $500 in disposable income to order a denim jacket that might impress their friends the first time they saw it, and the fourth or fifth time would think, "Why is he /she still wearing that tacky piece of crap?" But I'll bet they sold thousands of those jackets out of that catalog, along with posters, pins, belt buckles, toy Batmobiles, toothbrushes, toilet-paper dispensers, whatever. If you had just 5% of what Warner Bros. made from that movie, you'd still be rich today.

[@avace917]

The Future Electric Chair Vicky Waiting Partyman Trust Scandalous (during the credits)

[@TheWaynos73]

The Prince Batman album always seems to get a bit of a bad rap amongst hardcore Prince nerds but I think there’s excellent tracks on it. Maybe they just didn’t like the idea of him doing a superhero soundtrack. I don’t know it’s weird.

[@hurley5147]

They should do more commentary tracks for older comic book movies like this.

[@matthale8090]

Great idea

[@avace917]

He's done commentaries for the first 5 Batman movies starting with this one

[@hurley5147]

@@avace917 more tho is what I'm saying wayyyyy more

[@avace917]

@@hurley5147 got it. Wasn't sure what you've seen regarding his commentaries

[@avace917]

@@hurley5147 so like Superman 1-4, Spiderman and X-Men both 1-3, etc. That would be great. Agreed

[@jonjonesoncoke4604]

Got this synced up with Netflix. Pretty perfect way to spend the day after Thanksgiving thanks for posting.

[@BettyOs]

I’ve missed listening to these. Thank you.

[@scottv2010]

You're a legend for posting these

[@antona.8659]

If Vicky Vale was ignored all along and instead her subplot was replaced with Batman developing his partnership with Gordon, I'd give this movie 10 out 10. It's still a masterpiece.

[@deputyvanhalen6386]

Nah...Vale scenes were good for reflecting Bruce Wayne. E.g. dropping a rose where his parents died...where Wayne and Joker meet at Vales place. You get Batman and Gordon developing relationship in Nolan's Batman Begins. A different type of classic. But Burton, Keaton stepped on The Moon with this.

[@pleaserewind295]

@@deputyvanhalen6386 The Vale scenes are the worst part of the movie by far.

[@deputyvanhalen6386]

@@pleaserewind295 she was good for reflection as I said. But also she in the plot for the end scene...church.

[@rossdiamondthief6627]

Yeah it’s sad because you literally could cut Gordon out of the film and not miss anything.

[@alphanerd7221]

Whenever they do that story it just points out what a terrible cop Gordon is.

[@Mrsilenciobackgammon]

This is really entertaining, and should be on the dvd.

[@Ignauhak]

I absolutely LOVE Kevin's pompous Alfred impressions!!! They always bring a smile to my face and elevate my mood when I'm feeling down, or occasionally leave me in stitches! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@Jokoman019]

The “where is it, wheres the trigger” christian bale voice too 😭😭😭😭😭

[@NoCountryforBadMovies]

I would recommend reading Sam Hamm’s first draft of the screenplay for any fans. It’s really interesting to see what his original vision was and what was ultimately brought to screen. Vikki Vale is the POV character. She meets Bruce who is a horribly traumatized, mentally I’ll person who is on a suicide mission to stop crime, and Vikki ultimately redeems him. Knox is also a MUCH bigger character. He figures out Bruce Wayne is Batman and tells Vikki; he creates the batsignal to get Batman’s attention and dies a hero fighting the Joker’s goons. Jack Napier is also described as being young and vain, so his disfigurement really drives him crazy.

[@keefriff99]

You get a sense of Napier’s vanity when he’s checking himself out in the mirror (“You look fine.” “I didn’t ask”). It helped that Nicholson looked great in those suits and was in peak suave, sexy Jack mode.

[@1d7g2]

i really enjoyed this commentary thank you for putting it up man and thanks to kevin

[@FrancoisDaniels]

Wow, what great commentary! Had me in stitches :)

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Thanks for that, they deleted the other commentary

[@freddynunez1325]

I listen to this without even watching the movie. I wish there was more stuff like this because it doesn't take away from my love of the film while making me laugh at all the dumb stuff that happens that I never notice because I love this movie so much.

[@gvltmlc]

Action boyz podcast

[@avace917]

I ONLY listen to this without watching the movie. I've seen it so many times that I know exactly what they're talking as they describe it. I don't know if that's good or bad 🤣🤣🤣

[@NESADDICT]

Love this! better than the commentary from Tim Burton. The main thing I remember when i saw this in theaters during the summer of 89 (I was 8 years old) is the part when the joker says you son of a bitch as the batwing flies at him, my dad turned to me and said that's a bad word.

[@WorldsCoolestPerson]

That’s actually sweet of your dad.

[@NESADDICT]

@@WorldsCoolestPerson you really are the worlds coolest person!

[@WorldsCoolestPerson]

@@NESADDICT nah, your dad seems cooler. I’ll take second place though.

[@NESADDICT]

@@WorldsCoolestPerson ❤️

[@JRock424]

Whomever said that there are no good Batman movies haven't seen Mask of the Phantasm.

[@SapphireCrusader1988]

+JRock424 Under the Red Hood is one of the best Batman movies!

[@JW93581]

+JRock424 I don't get why people always say this movie is the best there's much better animated batman movies imo I fell asleep like 3 nights in a row trying to watch MotP

[@BardicLiving]

+Johnny Twohats It's very bland and unmemorable. It didn't even feel especially dramatic.

[@jojoface4940]

Hasn't *

[@CallOfEuropeanSpirit]

Or The Dark Knight Returns.

[@550leroy]

Let's get nuts is the greatest line in the movie

[@Lorten1986]

I personally like Where does get those wonderful toys

[@tyronepowell7893]

Michael Salter i loved that line to

[@mattwardpictures]

Michael Salter _"Life has been good to me, Tony..."_

[@tyronepowell7893]

i kind've like this one bob leave it

[@mattwardpictures]

tyrone Powell *THIS TOWN NEEDS AN ENEMA!*

[@Cal6009]

"You remind me of an old girlfriend." "Oh really? Do I remind you of a new girlfriend?" "I've thought about it..."

[@obscureentertainment8303]

For a second, I genuinely thought that was dialogue from Batman Returns. It took me a while to remember where it's actually from. But I can picture Batman and Catwoman saying this to each other.

[@allys744]

Was that the interaction between Nicholson and JLaw??

[@keefriff99]

@@allys744 Lol, yep.

[@derekgreen7319]

loved these movies when I was kid. Chris Nolan is a genius though, there what brought me back.

[@jojoface4940]

They're***

[@alphanerd7221]

@@jojoface4940 It should be "he."

[@Laveluvcrew]

What cut of Batman Returns did Marc see? Because I have never seem Billy D Williams I'm Batman Returns.

[@keefriff99]

He’s not seen or referenced. I think Marc wasn’t expecting Kevin to challenge him on it so he just made something up.

[@col.nathanr.jessup5700]

The score from Danny Elfman makes this movie imo.

[@mrsmith7936]

NEVER

[@TrueNubinator]

Shirley Walkers theme is sublime

[@mrsmith7936]

@@TrueNubinator just go away

[@mrsmith7936]

@Joshua Hammond imo in my opinion

[@TrueNubinator]

@CinemaOffal Productions um what???

[@Dylan-cu4ty]

Kevin can pretend to hate this movie all he wants, but *Batman 89* is a milestone in cinema.

[@theopoiesis]

Batman does that entrance to tell the gangsters to go and talk to their friends about him

[@TheLaurynPetrie]

I fucking love this!!!!!!! Thank you for posting it. It was wars puts me in a better mood!

[@sebblunt]

Billy Dee Williams is not in Batman Returns and Harvey Dent isn't even mentioned.

[@jockoadams3377]

I remember Billy Dee Williams being on Arsenio in 89/90 talking about how Harvey Dent was going to get in trouble in the next movie. I don't think they told him he wasn't going to be on the next one.

[@FinalConsensus]

@@jockoadams3377 I really want to see what he would have done with the character.

[@CallOfEuropeanSpirit]

@@FinalConsensus I don't. Harvey Dent is white.

[@FinalConsensus]

@@CallOfEuropeanSpirit I can't imagine what you think of 'The Batman' casting then 😂

[@djassassinuk]

That was down to Warner Bothers Execs. Burton intended Williams to be Harvey Dent and Two face in Batman Returns but Warner were against it as they thought it would be too many new character's to introduce in one film what with Penguin and Catwoman and of course Walken.

[@Malsagov]

6:59 Mugger's dramatic performance 26:05 That's Batman 27:43 Gradsky moment? 31:50 Tim Burton and Vichyssoise Soup 32:58 X-Men 34:12 Worst dialogue scene 38:40 Hanging upside down 1:07:15 Batmobile 1:07:49 Slowest car chase ever 1:49:20 Gordon vs. the Bell 1:51:34 Goons in the belltower 1:52:25 Batman gets pummeled 1:54:25 Vickey assists Batman 1:58:33 Batman uses grappling hook 2:01:42 Batman standing high up

[@Tarantulisimo]

Billy Dee Williams took the role of Harvey Dent with the understanding that the character would eventually transform into Two-Face, & even had the stipulation written into his contract -- Of course that never materialized for Billy (until the Lego Movie), so WB had to buy him out in order to recast Harvey Dent

[@GeoffBarone]

I have vivid memories of seeing this in the theatre when I was 9 years old.

[@ArtofLunatik]

Was it in the monarch theatre?

[@jakeel85]

I grew up with these movies and I still love them to pieces to this day. Batman Returns is still my favorite.

[@TheWaynos73]

I got my own Batman Returns moment when I went to Warner Bros. Movie World in Australia and got my pic taken with the Catwoman girl wearing the Michelle Pfieffer outfit. I got a hug and a kiss off her. That was fun.

[@chrisjohnson4738]

Most entertaining commentary I've heard. This movie was truly the coolest thing I had ever seen at the time. I love talking shit about our beloved film as well.

[@footguy215]

This is my favorite Batman, and now I can't ever watch it the same again. Haha!!

[@RandomShinigami7]

Thanks for putting these up. Lost all the commentaries when my old laptop fucked itself, and for some reason iTunes deletes podcast episodes after a certain time (I'm assuming it's for space reasons?). Having them here on KZbin means I can listen to them again. Loved the commentaries.

[@joeyjo-joshabadu9636]

Batman didnt stop the robbery in the alley because he didnt know it happened until the mom screamed

[@fusionspace175]

Kev is a Batman fan, so it's odd he didn't get what he's doing in his first appearance. Those people got robbed but they didn't get hurt, and they can afford it, they're tourists here on vacation. They went home with a thrilling story about how they got mugged and will never go to Gotham again. batman is punishing the bad guys, yes, but moreso he's building his legend. They're already talking about him when he finds them, but there's doubt. So he focuses on the guy who doubted him, and gives him a new story to tell, ensuring he'll tell all his friends he saw Batman fly off a rooftop. He's cultivating fear and building his legend, arguably a more important task than returning a stolen wallet and jewelry. Batman Begins showed Batman learning to create fear as a ninja, but this scene does that in about five minutes instead of half the movie. As for why Batman brings Vicki back to the Batcave, it's obvious. He had cut off contact with her not because he had gotten laid and was therefore done with her, he was trying to keep her safely out of Batman's life. He knew that if he was to truly engage with his feelings for her he'd have to bring her into that part of his life too. Bringing her into the Batcave is like Superman giving that interview to Lois Lane in 1978, it's meeting the girl as the hero to test those waters, while also accomplishing a plot goal. In as much as Tim adhered to any traditional structure in this movie, I think that template was very well employed, although he upped the game with the brilliant move of Alfred letting Vicki into the Batcave. Yes it's very out of character, but it defines this universe as strongly as a lot of other things do. I mean we're still talking about it, all these years later, and it's referenced in the recent continuation comic Batman '89, when Alfred lets Catwoman into the cave, because she had been there already in the story. Obviously Kevin is right about Michael and Jack getting a great scene together, but Bruce's move to get Joker to shoot him works in the movie's logic as well. If he had just gone home, that very likely would have become a kidnapping. Sure, he brought the present to leave, but that might have been to leave even if she hadn't been home. I'm saying that Joker might have decided in the moment to kidnap her, but because instead he supposedly murdered Bruce Wayne, he would go home happy with that as a result of the day's efforts. Bruce made himself a lightning rod to focus the Joker's attention on him, counting on that being emotionally satisfying enough to his mad desires that he'd leave Vicky alone. That's my read on it, anyway, what I think Sam was intending, if that was from his writing. In the climax with the balloons and Batwing, all it needs is either for there to be a cutting blade beneath the grip point on the Batwing, or else the moorings attaching the balloons just have to rip free instead of lifting the cars they're attached to. They were made to hold balloons from floating away, not to life the cars by. Also, the Joker's long pistol doesn't fire regular shells, it fires like an elephant gun, and may even have explosive ammo. The cylinder doesn't turn, it's actually molded to the body of the gun because that's the joke, it looks like a comically large handgun but it's actually effective, like all of his gags (well, except the chattering teeth, glasses, and the bang flag gun. bad set to take into a final battle, but he was crazy.) But also the Batwing was not meant to be shot at, it's not engineering for dogfighting, and most planes will crash if you put a bullet in their engine.

[@natturner8092]

Kevin and Marc shitting on the 'let's get nuts' scene is gold

[@stefanbernhard2710]

Kevin's jealousy is written all over this

[@jalenjohnson1662]

Idk if it’s jealousy, but I really can’t listen to this commentary. He and Marc make so many dumb complaints during it to the point that it just sounds like he hates the movie.

[@FinalConsensus]

@@jalenjohnson1662 You can't take it too seriously. There's a lot to laugh about how movies used to be made and make comparisons to modern times. They aren't legitimately trying to critique the film, they are smoking a j and having a good time sharing their thoughts

[@FinalConsensus]

Not really, they are just kicking back having a good laugh. He's said in multiple commentaries that he can't make a Batman movie. Don't take it too seriously

[@basehead617]

I died at the "Batman's my neighbor" part.

[@FormerlyNYVulgarian]

“Anybody who knows me knows I would never read a comic book. And I certainly would never read anything written by Kevin Smith.” - Tim Burton

[@snoochieboochienoochies3394]

What? Where did you get that quote.

[@jansenart0]

I fuckin love listening to Kevin nerd out to shit. That he and Marc did this is amazing. I will be watching every one of these.

[@michaelblaine6494]

Come on Kev,the scope bottle is there because it was one of the products that was tainted. It was part of his research,it’s exactly what he’s talking about in that exact scene. I know this was 2013 but that drove me nuts

[@lucristianx]

That "presented by hertz" comment floored me.

[@gspendlove]

Listening to Kevin and Marc riff on the Burton/Schumacher films is pure ASMR to me. I'd love to hear them riff on the Superman movies, Spider-Man movies, every movie ever made, etc.

[@Dousch]

They missed the funniest line, ”Check his wallet”.

[@Beltzer0072]

Believe it or not there's one more Star Wars actor they missed. Besides Billy Dee Williams and William Hootkins it has Garreck Hogan who played Biggs in A New Hope. He plays the tourist dad at the beginning of the film "Jimmy put that away we look like tourists"

[@dbryan1111]

Oh wow. Never noticed that

[@keefriff99]

No shit! That's awesome.

[@jasonpanic2971]

at 53:48 it's "The eye of the mind makes a movie" ...Joker was talking about adding her picture to the spank bank basically.

[@MM2Dylan]

It's "I'm of a mind to make some mookie." The original line is "I've got a mind to make some mayhem" according to the screenplay and novelization. I dunno who decided to change it. I'm assuming Nicholson.

[@vanishingpointpro.7616]

Lost it at 39:21 "pull the trigger!!"😂😂😂

[@allys744]

This commentary was hilarious! This is one of my favorite movies, but I have to agree that there are scenes that make no sense. I think behind the scenes, when they were filming the cathedral scene, Tim at first didn’t know what he was doing and even Jack was asking him, “Ok, the Joker is bringing Vicki up the stairs, what’s my motivation in this scene?”

[@lourahkneeri0229]

Kevin smith.."batman has to stop joker from taking over monarch theatre", now a scene in Joker War.

[@smdias65]

Thanks for posting this. Kevin and Marc know how to make to crack up. FYI, Napier, I believe, is an homage to Alan Napier, the actor who played Alfred in the Batman TV show. I didn't know the bit about making him a distinct Joker so that Nicholson didn't get all the money for derivative versions of his Joker. That makes sense.

[@Dmnthygtshlds2]

I almost pissed myself when Kev said Joker has to be a wild fuck lol

[@twentythirty6756]

Fantastic commentary, with Smith reverting to his comedy self in the second half. I especially laughed at 1:39:38, when he is commenting Nicholson's over-the-top attitude. And yes, I was also bothered by the "Let's get nuts!" sequence, it makes no sense: Joker comes with his men, shoots Bruce, and then simply walks away leaving Basinger's character just there. What the heck?

[@georgestetson5572]

Billy Dee Williams is not in Batman returns.....maybe mentioned (I can’t even recall that)

[@Dagenspear]

If you watch the scene, you'll see that he's standing over the street, not the alley. It seems more like he just heard the scream.

[@VenusHeadTrap2]

Which scene are you talking about in this 2 hour commentary?

[@radhummingbird97]

Opening scene with the guys mugging the family.

[@bestfootforward4586]

Does anyone know where Kevin Smiths' Man of Steel commentary went? That was the best one!

[@nilehoruseus]

This movie is so awesome

[@mickej609]

The story has it that Jack Nicholson didn't want to play The Joker. So to sweeten the deal he was able to get royalties on all merchandise related to the film that contained his image. Which according to IMDB sources earned him 120 million dollars, and is to date the single most profitable role in the history of acting.

[@billhiers4171]

That isn't actually Bob Kane as the news illustrator. He's an actor from New Zealand whose name is Denis Lill. Kane DID draw the picture Lill hands to Knox, though.

[@keefriff99]

Bill Hiers Thanks for clearing that up. I was confused by Kevin saying that because Lill looks nothing like Bob Kane.

[@KevinStriker]

Bill Hiers I believe Bob Kane was supposed to cameo in the movie, but fell ill when the scene was to be shot.

[@DocRunaway]

Kevin Striker That's right. He fell ill before shooting and was unable to fly to London. So Burton gave him another cameo in Batman Returns. He was supposed to be the Gothamite who says, "he's more like a Penguin" to a woman in the street. The lady, though, was Kane's wife (who would be Gossip Gertie in the Schumacher movies). I don't remember why Kane was unable to do the cameo that time though.

[@1SpicyMeataball]

The picture is drawn by Kane.

[@jsharp3165]

Sela Ward says Burton picked her for Vicki Vale after Sean Young left the film. But she refused to fly to England to meet producer Jon Peters (probably because she thought "meet" was a euphemism for something else) so she was dropped. Judging from Kevin's experience with Peters and the spiders/polar bears versus Superman, she was probably better off.

[@ericthatsme]

John Sharp Never knew!

[@Movypro23]

This hits 4K UHD for its 30th anniversary this week!

[@TheAlanRaptor]

The sense or scale really convinces you of why blade runner was shot at night.

[@PixelPz]

Fantastic gameplay!! Bringing support and left a huge like! Have a great week!

[@mistatronik]

1:02:45 -- finish the blowie before Batdance starts! goddamn, that was piss-funny.

[@kascnef]

This movie changed super hero movies in the 80s much like superman did in the 1970s.

[@LarryHazard]

I don't understand this, Superman and Batman were basically the only superhero movies from the 70s and 80s lmao

[@elijahbrink4596]

@@LarryHazard Exactly. This and the sequel definitely left an impact though however.

[@GetToDaChoppa-k5r]

That guy is wrong Bill Dee was not in Batman Returns as Harvey Dent. He was set to reprise his role as a more villainous two face, but he got replaced by Chris Walken's Max Shrek.

[@owl316]

best live action Batman film, bar none. better Joker too. I realize him and Heath were different kinds of Joker, but this was THE comic book joker.

[@Dagenspear]

Not really.

[@Dagenspear]

***** Insulting someone is the only informal thing here. JN's is just not the diffinitive version of the character.

[@ThatGingerCuntFromTerminator2]

owl316 You clearly never read a Batman comic book in your life. You're a moron.

[@jojoface4940]

Yup. Really

[@jojoface4940]

Dumbass

[@Cal6009]

The one problem with the art museum scene was that no one drew a mustache on a painting.

[@matthintz9468]

A bit hard on Robert Wuhl. I thought he was the most authentic fit for the world Burton had created - a real crackerjack reporter, with the hat and recorder and everything. He was like a character you'd find in Dick Tracy, or a comic book version of The Untouchables or Dragnet.

[@joedavid2510]

Hang on guys I'm at the part where jokers parade is going and the song trust is playing and you both said that the sound track has nothing to do with the movie but concerning "Trust" its so obvious.... joker is telling the citizens of Gotham to trust him since he's giving away free money and not to trust Batman. In fact part of the whole movies theme is whether Batman can be trusted sooo..... I mean at least this song fits great IMO

[@PeterG00000]

Ah haha! That part at the end where they discuss the possibility of just letting Vicky blow the Joker. I always thought that part was super weird as a kid.

[@Singnlow98]

When he said "Oh I love purple", I literally cried with laughter. Lol

[@joshwilemon6937]

The score is amazing. Only because Kevin Smith brings up the comparison, I'll say that I do prefer Zimmer/Howard's Dark Knight score, but I won't argue too hard against those who prefer this one.

[@carlosrootsbassman]

Man, I freakin' love this!

[@TheForeverClown]

THE SIGNAL LOOK AT IT ITS AMAZING AHHH

[@marcandre9936]

Listening to Kev And Marc commentary track makes movie much more entertaining

[@TheDissident77]

@ 39:00 Bruce Wayne hanging upside down as V.Vale sleeps according to Burton was Keaton's idea. The context was that normally he wouldn't be in bed he'd be out fighting crime so not sleeping would be normal.

[@willie1886]

You know something, hearing this takes me back to watching the movie and Prince himself was a genius when he did the soundtrack especially the end credits song Scandalous and Michael Keaton standing tall looking at the bat signal just about to kick some ass. Pure genius. Great movie RIP Prince! Your memory will live on.

[@MrZackavelli]

Lol 5:05 "BEEN THERE"

[@jpollackauthor]

I laughed at that for a good ten minutes.

[@Hum0ng0us]

The tourist dad from the beginning who get knocked out is Biggs Darklighter from a New Hope as well

[@ericthatsme]

Hum0ng0us WHOA!!! Did not realize!!

[@TheWaynos73]

I didn’t know that Sean Young had been cast as Vicki Vale. I only heard about her super crazy move to show up at Warners Bros fully dressed as Catwoman demanding the part for the sequel. (Wish there were pics for that)

[@SonnyFrisco]

There's a video of her on the Joan Rivers show wearing the same outfit in '91. It's on KZbin.

[@MegaParker1981]

Keeping this and the movie synched whilst stoned was harder than i would like to admit.

[@Chillton]

1:33:33 I actually think this is one of best lines of reasoning why is doing what he does. He just can't say it out loud, can't put into words. No freaking hour psycho-therapy- talking exposition. As much as as I like Nolan's Batmans, they talk everything out. Everything. Boring, pointless bullshit talking to put like a real meaning to it and make it belivable. No human being I know talks straight exactly what he thinks. Neither he puts it into straight out psychoanalysis pamphlet. And you can tell by his actions what is he up to. He's so uncomfortable being Bruce Wayne, like in the Batman Returns he's just basically sitting there in the library just WAITING for the Batsignal to show up. He waits for shit to get worse. In Nolan's movie it has to be SAID by Alfred to Wayne. And as much as I like Nolan's semi realism (cause the amount of realism put into Gotham an Nolan-Batman-verse, Batman doesn't fit, he's even more stupid with this suit, no matter how much utilitary and realism or ideology you put into it he's still wearing a cape and pointy ears mask) I love cinematicallity in Burton's one. Nolan says, Burton shows and leaves you dots to connect.

[@Chillton]

***** And the line: -It's just something I have to do -Why? -Because nobody else can. This sells me more and is more convincing than all those dull Bruce- Alfred, Bruce- Rachel digging, explaining, Gotham needs a symbol, blah blah blah. And Bale also wants to quit for Rachel.

[@DocRunaway]

***** That's one of the gripes I have with Nolan movies too. Everything is verbalized, sometimes more than once. In Batman Begins it was absurd how they would repeat the main concepts of the movie: fear, fear, afraid, fear, etc.

[@Chillton]

It went even incohesive in the TDKR, when Alfred leaves, that old bastard can't make his mind. He tells Bruce he never wanted this thing (coming back to Gotham, being Batman) for him, while in TDK he was encouraging him to "endure master Wayne. As Batman you can make the choice no one else can make". So... at least Michael Gough's Alfred was coherent in letting strangers into the Batcave :P

[@DocRunaway]

***** Lol, Gough's Alfred did it just once.

[@Chillton]

Yeah, right, later on he left the secret door open for Chriss O'Donnel in Batman Forever, and then basically invited Alicia Silverstone through "secret message" to the Bat Cave in Batman and Robin. As much as you'd like not to remember those- it happened there :P

[@geekrockrats]

I hate to correct Marc since he's awesome but Billy Dee was absolutely not in Batman Returns

[@RickyGlore]

+geekrockrats He also says that Jack Palance was Liberty Valance. Not true. Lee Marvin.

[@geekrockrats]

Ty for clearing that up

[@deadburiedrisen]

Also, Harvey Dent was not referred to in Returns.

[@chasblankenship697]

I think the confusion is because in an earlier draft of the screenplay, Harvey Dent was meant to be brought back and be involved in the plot with the Penguin, sort of hinting at the beginnings of his darker nature that would manifest into Two-Face by the third movie...and when the character was dropped, it was eventually switched out for Max Schreck. Like if you watch the movie, everything involving Max, aside from a few alterations like him having a son and so on, was initially conceived of for Harvey Dent in an earlier version. But yeah, no sign or reference to Harvey at all in the "Batman Returns" we got.

[@LtDragonfruit]

within 3 minutes Kevin Smith says beetle juice 3 times

[@RighteousBrother]

I think that Smith and Bernadin are on point with most of their comments.

[@Avarice-Zero]

Kevin Smith post heart attack is not the same guy doing commentary here. Ha. Dude used to double speak all the time. Calling out all the these flaws but then says he couldn't do any better.......LOL.

[@RandyReviews1990]

this is my favorite batman film!

[@alexnegrete7835]

Me too

[@MrZackavelli]

I am trying for the life of me to find Kev's commentary on Batman & Robin but I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know where I can find it?

[@jakieake63]

have you found it yet?

[@MrZackavelli]

jakieake63 I have not

[@glswenson]

He hasn't made it yet.

[@RandomShinigami7]

If you’re still looking for it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHi4ZGh-gdRoqqM

[@mickej609]

One of my favorite fun facts about this franchise is the Billy D Williams dismissal. He was supposed to eventually become Two Face, of course, and that idea was later scrapped. Since he was let go Warner Bros was then held to be in breach of contract and had to pay Mr. Williams 5 million dollars.

[@Anw4rr10r]

Holy shit, what a lucky son of a gun!

[@sdot6939]

Love this commentary. "Weird assist for a superhero movie."

[@crow2724]

The money is Joker money. He say's he wants his face on the $100 bill, if you look at the money is is thoughing to the crowd his face is on the money. hahaha

[@rbnineninety992]

Yeah I can't believe they both missed that! and that Alfred wasn't hired by Bruce...

[@danielshottopics8187]

It's so Sad there was No News at San Diego Comic Con 2022 on the Flash or Michael Keaton Batman Now we got to wait till DC Fandome in December if there is One.

[@peterb.parker4253]

Seeing flash tomorrow which is when it comes out…!!

[@moneyspyder2023]

As for the beginning of Batman 89 that was to spread fear throughout the criminal underworld the entire thing was I knew that at when I was a kid when I seen this movie it was obvious what was going on it's weird that two adults two supposed to filmmakers and writers don't get it

[@gladoshatesyoursafespace2653]

Kevin Smith's commentaries are damn brilliant.

[@mattwardpictures]

I. _Love._ This.

[@jamespfp]

1:16:30 -- Jeeeez, the Scope is there 'cuz he has Bat Breath.

[@smdias65]

I suspect it's there because Batman thinks it may be one of the items that contains Smilex and he's testing it. "Bat Breath" is good, though.

[@VeggieGamer]

Has Kevin Smith ever done any podcasts on the Arkham games? I would love to hear his opinions on those.

[@Eric_1991]

He hasn’t but he had guests who voiced characters on and they brought them up, Mark Hamill, Kevin Conroy, Arleen Sorkin, Tara Strong and Paul Dini

[@TyrannosaurusCHEX]

I got the impression he has played them, he referenced them in his batman v superman review so must have seen some cutscenes at a minimum.

[@megaky00]

I do love this commentary, but I think they're way too hard on the film.

[@Luvie1980]

megaky00 I agree. This movie was awesome and the "Let's get nuts" scene was hilarious. Kevin Smith should look at his film Cop Out if he wants to see a bad movie.

[@dbreiden83080]

Smith is one of the great hacks in the movie industry. He is known for these comic like critiques but he's never made really anything of merit.. Have you ever seen Jersey Girl LMFAO??

[@philipchance5454]

dbreiden83080 Well said! Can't stand the guy!

[@Aeon2Flux]

dbreiden83080 Well he made arguably 3 &1/2 good movies..Clerks is a classic, Chasing Amy and Dogma..Then Clerks 2 until Rosario Dawson teaches Dante to Dance. Goes downhill the moment everyone in vicinity starts to do a choreographed number to ABC...Uhhgha..Yeah, that pretty much sums up his Hackness. This Commentary is hilarious though.Even with it's flaws that are on point of Smith's views, Batman is still the best of film interpretations IMHO..

[@macdaddymario]

***** That's your opinion, and you have the right to have it, but I disagree. Nolan's films drudge on and on, telling us time and again how bad Bruce has it, that Batman is dark and brooding.. the focus is on him so much that the other characters fall to the wayside and feel lifeless in comparison to the lead, and did I mention brooding, character. Burton's films take the opposite approach, we *know* as fans that Batman is dark and brooding and had a rough go, we aren't reminded of that fact in every bit of dialogue he has, and instead we are shown it in few key scenes; with talk very rarely happening about his past. The film also gives other characters in the world much more time to interact with one another, giving them more life and making the world more believable.