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[@AllThingsFilm1]

When it comes to 10-bit and 8-bit it's not about seeing any difference. The difference is the latitude you have to work with in post. With 8-bit, you are extremely limited in how much you can push the color grade in post before the image breaks down and creates artifacts and pink splotches. With 10-bit, you literally have very little to no limitations for grading in post. That's the only difference that matters.

[@jamesjay1987]

the comment that I seek :) plus there is limitation at 10 bit too, till 14 bit raw comes.

[@Orvulum]

If it weren't about seeing the difference, then it wouldn't matter at all... but it does. Perhaps what you mean is that it doesn't necessarily matter what one sees in the viewfinder or in the raw shot, but what one can achieve in a graded shot?

[@clevelandsfinestentertainment]

Still learning is 10bit the highest you can go for a camera?? And when would you even need higher?? Im planning on shooting music videos and thinking of getting a 10bit camera​@Orvulum

[@ItsMikeChez]

Great video! but I feel unless you’re working for large Hollywood/television productions, it won’t really matter.... even if you’re doing small client work. You can still notice the banding in 10-bit. Maybe not as much, but it’s still there. You can even see in the Lumetri scope where the banding is (where there are lines of missing colour info in the sky/highlights). Although... i did learn a trick to help with banding and is how production companies “hide” it when shooting 8-bit..... add a bit of noise to the sky and it should blend the colours a bit, reducing the amount banding ☺️

[@crookedfilms4190]

Can you link up a video of how to do it?

[@srdjansipka1988]

@@crookedfilms4190 What i did i just ad some grain to it. You can go with an effect, or with a video layer and change the overlay and lower the opacity.

[@ImanueLExia]

i now how to fix banding wall, in my opinion, use small aperture like f6 ☺️, because wide aperture make it not focus on the background, i know make it so hard for lowlight and bokeh, but trade off.. no perfect camera 😀, works fine for me, if you dont want banding wall, make it busy background, put wallpaper or shelf or anything, avoid solid color

[@schmui]

Yeah but it's not just the banding. 10bit is waaaay more forgiving regarding *everything.* It's about the difference between unusable and fixable in post. Sure, in a perfect world everything is always perfectly exposed, white balance is always perfect etc but in reality, that one super important shot can be a little off sometimes. With 8bit it's either "keep it but it's not gonna shine" or "that 💩 is out!" 10bit: Fix it in post 🤷‍♂️

[@jaikavi5464]

The 10-bit looks so clean. Once uploaded on KZbin there’s not so much of a difference, but when you’re delivering a file to the client I think you’re right: the video sold look it’s best! Great topic, thanks for making this

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Thanks for watching!

[@autonomous9031]

The difference is not meant to be seen. The difference is only supposed to allow a larger parameter in editing space.

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Yeah you're totally right

[@spicyyetumami]

Would there be a difference in 10bit vs 12bit?

[@galocascio]

@@spicyyetumami of course be a difference.

[@petrub27]

Bullshit, buy a 10 bit display

[@matthewmorneau3388]

I agree, I’m waiting for someone to actually compare the two for what it’s really supposed to help. Perhaps if you miss the color temperature, or doing more intense color grading, or harsh sunlight. Not when the conditions are perfect and simple color corrections are added. How far can you really push the one over the other?

[@AliAB]

okej to be honest for youtube videos you can't tell the difference but it's always better to have more color data

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Yep 100%. 8 bit is totally usable!

[@fredriksvard2603]

What does youtube have to do with it... the pros and cons are there regardless of where you watch the end result

[@Maikurosofuto]

@@fredriksvard2603 KZbin does have EVERYTHING to do with it. Every SDR content will be re-encoded in 8-bit by KZbin, so you can't really compare 8-bit vs. 10-bit, both will have a noticeable amount of banding. And even worse, SDR content is relatively bitstarved compared to HDR when re-encoded, so it makes the comparison even less accurate by not only not being at the right bit depth but also for not having a decent amount of bitrate.

[@fredriksvard2603]

@@Maikurosofuto Movie studios and tv channels used and use super expensive pro video gear for viewing on crappy crt sets, with the signal sent through crappy analogue cable or through the air. A hollywood trailer looks like a hollywood trailer on your phone, crappy content looks crappy. Besides, the point of 10bit isnt outright iq but editing flexibility.

[@izoyt]

@@Maikurosofuto well, the fact you can clearly see difference in this video, does make a point, i guess. they0re both 8bit in the end, but more latitude in 10bot saves noticeable banding even in youtube video. but it is funny., how more or less we all watching this on 8 bit (or even dithered 6 bit) screens/ gpu driven systems. not a lot true 10 bit monitors there..

[@DonGutierrez]

Well yes, you can tell the difference, but the problem is that it's more subtle rather than simply being a night and day comparison. Stack that on top of youtube compression, 10 bit is not gonna completely blow 8 bit out of the water. But the richness in colors, the better highlight roll-off, is there. And that matters most to those who will be pursuing the best they can out of their image. Rather than a night and day difference comparison, it's much more apt to compare it to say a regular grilled steak and say a steak that was either dry-aged or sous vided before grilling. Both are gonna taste great! But the nuances in the dry-aging, the sous vide process, is what makes the steak go from a good steak to an outstanding one. You don't need to spend or put in so much effort to get a great image out of either of them. But if you want to raise it up a level, then you push for the 10 bit.

[@kidzrevil]

You can’t SEE the difference...it only matters in post production. Honestly if you expose the image CORRECTLY in camera you will never have to worry about 8 bit vs 10 bit in a real world scenario. 10 bit is not RAW, compression still plays a bigger role in the image quality than bit depth ever will.

[@anapalma2906]

You are so right.

[@uzefulvideos3440]

10 bit makes video compression way easier though, less important to encode all that dither noise faithfully

[@uzefulvideos3440]

10 bit is actually very important in video content delivery, would be a huge upgrade over 8-bit

[@uzefulvideos3440]

@Kidz ‘R EViL "it all ends up getting compressed down to 8bit for youtube" yes, and that's a problem. "Even if you upload in HDR spec the bitrate eliminates any perceivable gain from the higher bit depth." That is not true at all. 10-bit limited-range YUV truncated down to 8-bit RGB (for display on the screen) just produces way less banding than 8-bit limited-range YUV has at normal streaming bitrates which remove all/most of the dither noise. The higher you go with your bitrate, the less 8 vs 10 bit matters, because the encoder has less and less problem preserving the fine dither noise (which is expensive to preserve with traditional methods because high entropy). The difference would be even bigger if video players would dither down to 8-bit RGB by default, which pretty much none of them do. That would eliminate pretty much all banding artifacts. Something that really maddens me is that many studios don't dither down to 8-bit before sending the video to the H.264 encoder for Blu-ray mastering, which results in very visible, and unnecessary banding, since at those bitrates at least x264 is able to preserve the dither noise and prevent any extreme banding. With dither noise, 8-bit just has a higher noise floor compared to 10 bits, while without dither noise it has lots of ugly truncation artifacts, mostly visible as banding on smooth gradients, especially in dark areas on a standard SDR gamma transfer curve.

[@uzefulvideos3440]

@Kidz ‘R EViL Then you don't understand dithering. Whenever you reduce bit depth you should dither, to prevent truncation errors. This raises the noise floor. Of course the dither noise might be overshadowed by other noise, in which case it isn't actually the noise floor. Increased resolution can actually replace bit depth btw, if dithered. But again, lossy encoding likes to remove the dither noise, so encoding at high bit depth is more efficient, and also keeps the noise floor lower (which only really matters in production).

[@filmmakerinbusiness6736]

S-log is designed for 10-bit cameras. I use the A7iii 8-bit but definitly don't use S-log. HLG3 is beter, correct a bit in camera (profile) and don't use LUTs.

[@jimmyswag3413]

I think many people are missing the point. Of course yes, youtube is an 8 bit platform, but grading the same video in 10bit vs in 8bit , will produce a cleaner and less noisy 8 bit image. Point is not all 8 bit video looks the same, some look good, and some look way better, i would assume the latter is because it was graded in 10bit.

[@TyroneLT]

Other than some banding in the sky on the 8-bit they look pretty close. But to me the differences are less about how they “look” and more about the room to grade and work with in post.

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Yep!

[@srdjansipka1988]

I believe this 10bit is just a sales thing, and i HATE when some of cinematography KZbinrs go like how they LOVE the 10bit, how this is what they where waiting for etc etc, even tho their main platform is YT. I am so glad you did this video and posted, because even when watching in 4K on a 4K monitor, i can see there is same bending in both examples.

[@artsblogs]

Why do you think brother? Perhaps because regardless of the bitrate it was filmed on, youtube will compress to 8bit to save space, therefore even if it was filmed on 16bit once uploaded to KZbin it will be turned down to 8bit. 10bit is only useful in heavy editing, grading and visual effects… or when you get your exposure off

[@huzainisahmawi]

mean you didnt push your camera to its limit.

[@Mu3azOsman]

Dope update to the studio, i loooove! well, when it comes to youtube and compression everything looks like 8bit man, I hate it

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Thanks for watching!

[@yadekeffieh8139]

I think you right

[@Bathingwookie]

But it allows you to push the grade further in post, so this comment doesn’t really make any sense.

[@huzainisahmawi]

@@Bathingwookie he defs said when comes to youtube , so his comment make sense.

[@Bathingwookie]

@@huzainisahmawi fair!

[@syedarmaghanhassan4652]

go to 1:47 (8-Bit) ... and then press forward arrow key to jump to 1:52 (10-bit). Observe the pattern of bricks on upper half of the tower, and see how much details have been lost in the brick pattern in 10-bits. Looks like to remove the banding in 10-bit, only blurring/smoothing of footage has been done!

[@FLASHAHOLIC_TV]

You're right the 10 bit looks like 1080 and 8 bit 4K. I'll probably stick to 8 bit now as I don't colour grade HLG3 HDR

[@danieldougan269]

S-log 3 is probably not the right choice for 8-bit video. Also, KZbin is an 8-bit platform that heavily compresses video. Recording in 10-bit video is great and offers more grading flexibility, but the end result is still going to be displayed in 8-bit on KZbin. I watched this on my 4K monitor, and the banding appeared even in the 10-bit video, probably because of KZbin compression.

[@longchimnola1163]

Do you know if the a7riii is 8 or 10 bit? Can't seem to find that in user manual. CMD + F and searched 'bit'... nothing!

[@markshirley01]

When you like in a country like the UK that has a sky that acts like soft lightbox you've not much need of 10bit.

[@faridmahmudov]

))) u r lucky. We have very bright sun here

[@MadsGOlsen]

Ha ha ha ha

[@xilefx]

It's not the 8-bit that is the proble here - it's that you're using s-log3. its output is too narrow for 8-bit.

[@ChristianFarrington]

I’m here because editing the 422 4k 120 has taken a toll on me in the last year! Ima try 8 bit for 2 months and see if my editing improves.

[@quickpickle]

Yeah thats true,. u can push the colors more.. but on KZbin I still see banding on the 10bit a7siii footage lol, so yeah guys.. you can shoot 10bit.. but on youtube with its compression ur still gonna see banding and artifacts.

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Yeah KZbin compression does suck. I also may have pushed the 10-bit footage too much, so it’s still not perfect, but def better than 8-bit. Thanks for watching!

[@DayedreamMedia]

Yea this video confirms that I won't rush to buy an A7siii. S-Log3 is nothing special. My A7iii captures an excellent image with PP turned off. You have to know your camera and your scene. When you hit your exposure, white balance, and color grade just right you'd be amazed. 10 bit color is better than 8 bit color. But, don't be fooled and think your A7iii isn't a beast! Thanks for this video. OOooooooooh but the 4k60 and 4k120 would be nice! : )

[@DawahProject]

on youtube I see banding at both 8 bit and 10 bit because of youtube codec compression I guess

[@GrizDrummer25]

The 10-bit highlights have a little more color and detail, and the pond in the shadows when shooting from the courtyard ( 2:06 ) are noticeably cleaner! But the sky banding was surprisingly still present in the 10-bit, albeit not quite as much. It still graded better than 8-bit, which is kind of a 'duh' statement, lol.

[@Jsfilmz]

hey shoot hdr with that 8 bit and let me know if you see the difference

[@rmp5s]

422 can definitely can help you in post but no one has ever been like, "oh man...that's SO 420"...lol

[@mirrorlessmemory]

The banding was the only thing I noticed. 8 bit you can see the lines in the sky and 10 bit it is smooth. I was looking for it though. The average person I’m sure won’t notice.

[@mrichardson7012]

Same banding in 10-bit. Can see easily on iMac.

[@EmberSkyMedia]

@@mrichardson7012 @Jose Rios indeed, and here is the thing, we were looking for it and it obviously there (KZbin Compression?) but the thing is 99% of people won't be looking at that AND there are tricks to add more info into the image. Plus SLOG-3 was designed more for 10bit than 8Bit, if you shoot SLOG2 or even without a S-curve is it AS noticeable as these high dynamic examples?

[@614Lyfe]

my question would be do you export from premier pro to 10bit or 8bit (High or High10) assuming you recorded in 10bit 4.2.2

[@614Lyfe]

@@claritoresdiano1021 you literally answered nothing

[@barrybowling]

The only way I can visually tell a difference is the amount of data in the brick and grass detail of the comparison shots. All 10-bit bricks in the buildings are more crisp than the 8-bit. Same for the greenery in the shots.

[@aeko]

1:59 - The biggest difference is in the sky. There's more noticeable banding in the 8-bit gradation.

[@BrianTheCameraGuy]

Like the new Studio look. Videos like this make me want that a7siii even more.

[@zhigadas4128]

the difference between 8-bit and 10-bit can be said not to be seen on KZbin, the videos both look good so you can safely stay on 8-bit and not bother

[@ericphilpott9468]

I agree it may not be as big a deal for finished videos, but the bigger difference is when you’re color correcting. with 10-bit you’ve got a lot more to work with, you may be able to save shots you might not have kept and you can bring more beauty to other shots than you could have with 8-bit. This is more an advantage for video creators than video viewers.

[@SidneyDiongzon]

100% 💪

[@GiuseppeArenaPhoto_Video]

Just a question about Panasonic HX-1500/2000. It can record until 422 10 bit at 60 frames by Atomos via hdmi. Internally can record until 422 4K but until 30 frames . But there is also possibility to record internally 420 but 10 bit instead of standard 8. I'm not interested in Green Screen... I just do some color correction. Do you think there is no so much differences between the 2 format or is always better use 422 when possibile ( no problem for file size.... ). Even because Panasonic HX2000 has no log profile but just some "flat" profile.

[@BryceKoebel]

Just realized you changed the wall colour in EVERY video... Props man haha

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Haha, yeah had to do it EVERY FRIGGIN TIME!

[@BryceKoebel]

@@SidneyDiongzon Damn bro bless your soul.

[@neolier]

I see banding in both 8 and 10 bit video, I guess it is due to the KZbin compression.😑

[@mduoba]

slog-3 doesn't really work for 8-bit, not sure its a fair comparison.slog-2 is better for 8-bit

[@apexyao8931]

Thanks for the great comparison video! Question: Will shooting in HLG solve the banding issue?

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Perhaps! Although you are still dealing with 8-bit video

[@FLASHAHOLIC_TV]

Nope, but HLG3 is quite noisey which helps prevent a little banding in darker scenes

[@MikeMena]

Hmm... I accidently watched in 1080 first, and couldn't see a difference without putting my face up to my big ass screen. Then in 4K... it felt like i could see more banding, maybe, but I was trying REALLY hard to see it LOL (mainly just on the birdie shot, but that was in 10bit!)

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Bit depth is crazy!

[@VeeTravels]

This is so interesting. Is HLG2020 the only profile that supports 10 bit color on the A7SIII? I am wondering because some of my recent videos were shot in PP Off and I had the Movie Settings set to 200M 4:2:2 10bit. I am hoping they still retain 10 bit color even though it was PP Off. I would greatly appreciate if you can give me advice.

[@AbrahamTario]

For KZbin it should be fine 8bit and below...as longest you’re good at color grading or have cool luts but definitely for client or freelance work 10bit would be best.

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Agreed!

[@DARRENDDMPSTUDIOS]

I give my clients 8bit. They don't even know the what 8bit or 10bit is. all that matters is that you meet or exceed your clients expectations.

[@SidneyDiongzon]

100% right

[@KDHildreth]

No colour grading or Luts In 8bit will fix the blotchy skin tones etc in S-log when using the default s-gamma (it literally has parts of the skin desaturated to the point where they have no colour) there is a big difference between delivering to 8bit and recording in 8bit

[@beirutgaming]

get some luts and shoot in HLG2 HLG3 you will be very happy

[@MarioSoMedia]

To be honest, I can only tell the difference when both samples are side by side, unless I'm pixel peeping! BUT it's always best to have more data available so you have more flexibility in post too. I didn't know you were a Dinosaur Tamer! How many years of experience do you have in that? ;)

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Yeah, at first glance you can’t tell. So 8-bit is totally usable! LOL, took only 2 months to tame those dinos!!

[@MarioSoMedia]

@@SidneyDiongzon You're a natural!

[@soundtempleAU]

4:24 I see hips of banding in the sky in 10-bit footage! IS it because of KZbin compression or something?

[@lonesomelooch5661]

Great video. Just what I needed.

[@buckwilde1511]

You are right in THEORY, but after dithering/smoothing and KZbin compression, it's VERY difficult to tell the difference. PLUS - and MOST importantly - 99.9 percent of regular viewers won't be able to tell the difference, as they don't look at the skies - they look at the subject (and unless he's superman, he won't be in the sky.) Even if you TELL them to look at the sky ... "Uh ... what am I looking for? I don't see any difference." So yeah ... for high end clients and other cinematographers, 10 bit may be important, but for KZbin/Vimeo delivery ... Meh ... It's really a waste of money (to spend on a 10 bit camera) You're better off concentrating o n good AUDIO, which is arguably as important or MORE important than a beautiful picture. (NO one but filmmakers watch a film and say, "The story SUCKED, but what a beautiful picture!") But, as far as your video goes, you did an EXCELLENT job of explaining it and showing the difference. And I thought your PQ was really good. :-)

[@Roysphotos8]

Interesting video. Im using a sony a7r4 and i was wondering if its 8 bit video would be super noticeable… but i think it will be fine. A year ago most consumer grade cams were 8 bit anyways. Very interesting 🧐

[@defyingtheodds1987]

See this is the type of video I needed. Direct comparison. I'm sitting her wondering if I should Sell my EOS R and buy an R6. And then should I buy the first gen R6 or the R6ii? So many questions.

[@paulfairchild8942]

Sidney, when you watch this video on YT do you see some banding on some of the 10-bit shots. I see some banding in the sky scene that features the flock of birds flying by - in both the 8-bit and 10-bit versions. Could be YT's heavy compression at work. Maybe you don't see it in your 10-bit source files though?

[@SidneyDiongzon]

I probably pushed the 10-bit too far anyway. It def ain't perfect, but better than 8-bit for sure. And yeah, I'm sure YT's compression doesn't help either lol

[@ModernPROLLC]

Nice work on the video. I can totally see the difference. I assume you had the A7SIII set to sRGB color space? And have you messed around with the HLG/BT.2020 settings?

[@snaprifice]

It's always going to matter most in acquisition. 10-bit will grade better and should handle large gamuts better than 8-bit. But as far as I know, SDR on KZbin is still 8-bit, no? I still have Sony's last generation so I'm stuck with 8-bit for a while longer yet, but I've found pretty good results with slog2 and itu709 gamut. I don't have to increase the saturation at all, and because it is a small color space it seems to take well to 8-bit. So I've got a little more dynamic range and really strong colors.

[@helloholmes]

My dude, shooting in Adriatica! Nice! Let me know if you're ever shooting in or around McKinney again and looking to do Meet Ups and/or testing more gear! :)

[@Imagine17300]

Can’t see the difference, specially on KZbin... and now movies goes on KZbin , and client don’t see differences, but your video is great !

[@anapalma2906]

I couldn't agree more.

[@maddalonefarms]

How do you change the bits in the camera settings?

[@nonovibe5365]

This video is perfect ! Bravo

[@KOKOBC]

The 10 bit looks slightly better but it might just be my brain thinking it’s better because it should be better. I’m sure if you switched them up you would trick me easily

[@LoveChristJesus]

banding colour on wall? sure, I see them all the time in Gerald Undone videos.

[@thecoalitionweddingfilms]

What's that small tripod light on top of your book shelf in the intro? I want it!!

Where is this place?

[@faridmahmudov]

You deserved like with these practical explanation and color correction on samples )

[@MarkHuynh7]

There’s definitely a diff. Weird ass banding in the sky on the 8 bit. Hey Sidney! Could u try the new M1 chip on the new apple comps and ttry editting h.265 footage from the a7siii that would be a cool video :)

[@SidneyDiongzon]

I would friggin LOVE to test out the new M1 chip and edit 4K video!!! Maybe I will...

[@MarkHuynh7]

@@SidneyDiongzon sweet! Yeah, the intel chips and scrubing thru h.265 footage right now is 🤮🤮 Woulda also love to see a video on raw capabilities of the a7siii! On the fence about getting a ninja V :)

[@MarkHuynh7]

@@SidneyDiongzon ps keep killing the content bro!

[@SidneyDiongzon]

It brutal to edit on my 2018 MacBook Pro 😭

[@NafisAhmed73]

those 10bit video has better looking saturated colors.. also the color gradation is great.

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Thanks for watching!

[@vzbeatz1706]

the 10bit fottage has more color separation in the shadows and warmer areas less banding less artifacts

[@artsblogs]

To be honest, not even the client would tell the difference in the examples you showed, pay attention to the top budget music videos in youtube, and netflix movies, they all have bending because the platforms compress the files to 8bit. The videographer will be the only one noticing the difference most of the times

[@windywest]

Nice upload man, just trying to find a work around for the 10bit killing my computer, I just upgraded to a custom built PC that runs games on Ultra GFX no worries, but that 10bit footage at 120fps just slows everything down.....have you found an ideal setting that still preserves colour data but doesn't require my machine to have an inbuilt espresso maker?

[@sijilo]

Changed a bit and list

[@Jeremybutton]

heaps of difference and less greenish blending tinge in some of those shots

[@Orvulum]

How can you not see the difference? Seems pretty obvious... Even in these down-stream compressed files

[@angwk]

Why do I still see banding under your 10-bit video?

[@SidneyDiongzon]

10 bit still ain’t perfect, and I probably pushed it too much. Still better to color correct and grade than 8 bit video.

[@sebsyoutubechannel4252]

Also KZbin compression is ruthless

[@SidneyDiongzon]

VERY TRUE!

[@alanrivero7654]

youtube does not reproduce 10bit yet only 10 bit, this video is not usefull at all because we are not to se the real deference here in this platform

[@SidneyDiongzon]

No, that’s not it. 10-bit allows for better and easier color grading, where 8 bit is limited.

[@TAWPhotography]

Dope Video!

[@b9y]

I'm watching this on a 4k TV and I can see far more banding on the 10bit, but it's fainter. Weird?

[@Bathingwookie]

The thing is if the lighting is good then, no, you can’t really tell, but you can on shoot anything in good lighting. 10bit holds up in poor lighting situations and 8bit falls apart.

[@AndroidTech]

good thing my GH5 shoots in 10bit 🙏

[@jeremyfoster8726]

i don't shoot LOG, so does it still matter?

[@mauibuilder1239]

I'm red green-color blind and I can tell the difference!

[@tubingforever]

They look literally identical on my 27” 5K display

[@freevbucks8019]

it's compressed to 8 bit on yt...

[@Drewlululu]

man, i want a A7SIII now

[@SidneyDiongzon]

It’s a great camera!

[@kvetinky]

You won’t notice much diffrence between 8bit and 10Bit in gaming. Actually it’s better to have quality 8Bit than cheap 10Bit. 8Bit, Gaming, Media, Work 10Bit, + Editing, Photos

[@paulhendershott667]

Very Eye opening Sidney! I was running into 8-bit color grading limitations with my A7III and A7RIV and was attributing a lot of it to my color grading learning curve. While I'm sure some is due to my skill level, a lot the issues I've been having are the ones you have shown here. I'm awaiting my A7SIII to arrive in a couple weeks so hopefully that will solve most of the issues!

[@tobygolus9175]

The sky at 2:40 10 bit has a lot of banding. hmmm

[@ExposedChannel247]

Most people are on 8-bit monitors so they are not going to see the difference. The banding on the 8-bit video was very noticeable for me on my 10-bit panel.

[@ryanaligway4700]

Hi just a quick question when I set my camera to XAVCS HD 120p...there is no option for 10bit it only shows an 8bit option. would appreciate if anyone could help me out with this. Thanks in advance!

[@munckmb]

It is not about seeing, it is about being able to grade with some room to work.

[@firesmaug3214]

can i change 10 bit color in sony a7s3 to 8 bit and if yes where can i find this option?

[@parmanduke]

I can't tell the difference on my HD computer screen. Pushing 10bit seems to be big brands gimmick for us to upgrade. When shot to make it look cinematic I honestly can't see a difference and most of the videos on youtube look fantastic when comparing between the two.

[@TheClearSight]

4:20 1. that is just that footage and maybe SLOG related for 8 bit. 2. What was the uploaded end video here you uploaded, was the project in 10 bit or 8 bit? Actually the banding has not to be necessarely only for 8 bit. A very good example that comes into my mind is breaking bad, in particular the pilot episode. because it many sky footage you cant see any banding and the standard bluray is 8 bit. Sony has a bit transfer technic that allow them to preserv gradiants very very nicely to 8 bit finals. Panasonic has a different approach, at least i have the japanese BR of Princess Mononoke, they claim with the right Panasonic TV you can recreate instead of a 24bit RGB/YUV Signal with the metadata on the BR to 32bit RGB/YUV. Sony is just bad with its 8 Bit SLOG i think and it does not behave very nice for colorcorrection.

[@Makta972]

Actually the problem is you shot 8bit footage in Log... That's why you get artifacts and banding. You better off shooting a flat profile and slightly overexpose the 8bit vids

[@spicyyetumami]

Bro should I buy nikon z6ii?

[@armando.visuals]

Honestly if you are looking for it you will prob find it but while watching a video when you so sinked into the story nobody will ever tell. On 02:12 the grass looks a bit greener i thought with 8 bit... kind of liked it better...? Nor sure its so hard to tell

[@SidneyDiongzon]

Yeah, at first glance it’s not too noticeable.

[@Wave_Drop]

Video bitrate is just as important as colour bitrate is.

[@giftbox-e]

to be honest I can see the difference without the comparison, but I don't think its worth to buy more expensive gear just to get 10bit... Honestly I would rather jump to 12bit for that.

[@HuiNie]

Use BRAW or Pres RAW 12 Bit

[@SidneyDiongzon]

I might have to soon haha

[@2MuchSwag4Funzies]

Could we see a test of 8bit vs 10bit in extreme lighting situations? Like rap music videos or low light situations or really stylistic color grading? I feel like that's where it matters most and where u can really see the difference

[@kidzrevil]

I mainly shoot music videos with 8 bit and 10 bit cameras and when exposed correctly you can not see a difference. If you are trying to save severely under or overexposed image you get a slight advantage in 10 bit. It’s not the silver bullet people make it out to be.

[@2MuchSwag4Funzies]

@@kidzrevil that would actually make sense. I just got a field monitor that can do LUTS and it's really helped me expose right

[@yadekeffieh8139]

@@kidzrevil Wiseman

[@codyray8438]

Yo! Is that the Adriatica Village in Mckinney?!?

[@TheXV22]

Great video! Question please: how come I can see banding in 8-bit vs 10-bit despite viewing on a monitor that's 8-bit anyway? Isn't this eventually converted to 8-bit anyway for my monitor?

[@joaquimramis4124]

If the video is not edited you are right, but at the moment you apply a LUT those colors are getting stretched. Its not that rare, for example, photography raw files are like 16 bit or more, but if you edit hard enough you can still get bending on an 8 bit exported file.

[@TheXV22]

@@joaquimramis4124 so it's a problem that mainly happens when editing? If I shoot in 8-bit and not play with the colours in post, I don't need to worry about banding?

[@Rocky_KO]

@@TheXV22 Yeah, it's a lot like editing an 8bit JPG vs 10bit HEIF photo. More edit breathing room.

[@nyrubin]

the banding in the skies are more noticeable in the skies. I was torn between upgrading my a7sii for the s5. But with the s5 not having a low pass filter, I figure the banding is going to be equal to the 8 bit on my a7sii 😭 looks like I'll just have to be a man and save up for the a7s3 🤣

[@benlychee]

Nice casting couch lol 😂

[@benlychee]

Also I was able to tell a difference on where things were blown out, such as the sun. But that was me really looking. The average viewer wouldn’t be able to tell for sure.

[@chekyourhed]

Come on man! where are your skin tones & close-ups????!!!! what I'm concerned about is the level of sharpness which is not really noticeable in your video but what is even more important is what is the difference when uploaded to youtube in comparison to your original footage, I still use the a7sii & really want an upgrade without jumping to pro cine camera like a RED.....I've seen the fx6 & I don't feel it's worth the upgrade, will be very interesting to see what Sony does in the next 1-2 years.

[@NierAutomata2B]

I can see severe banding in both 8 bit and 10 bit footages here tho

[@BrendanEvan]

10 bit looks more rich and natural and “new” if that makes sense. 8 bit feels a little more dated. Not bad, but also a relatively expensive bump in quality

[@AuteurInconnu]

Unfortunately filming grey buildings isn't very informative to show the difference.. also this clip isn't a 10-bit file😢

[@JinKazama92]

man this triggered OCD!!! The only cure for my ocd is an A7SIII OR LUMIX S5 :(

[@KoiAquaponics]

Can the camera record while being charged via USB?

[@drafeirha]

yes but in my experience the battery depletes faster than it gets charged. so your battery lasts longer but not forever unfortunately

[@KoiAquaponics]

@@drafeirha I suppose that depends on how fast the charger source is