SONY FAILED! HOW THEY CAN FIX IT

[@Hugh_Jannis]

Social Services needs to take Spider-Man away from Sony. This is just straight up abuse.

[@kill4551]

They already took him, it's his cousins and siblings who need help now

[@thaneros]

I mean Spiderverse is still good.

[@dariuschisholm7317]

Like disney abuses the hulk and their characters

[@SlickAndroid94]

It's worse than what Fox was doing to X-Men before Marvel got the rights back. Which says a lot.

[@dariuschisholm7317]

@SlickAndroid94 fox didnt better with them then disney ever will

[@justinriley]

Don't nobody want a Spider-Man movie without Spider-Man.

[@michaelstrong5383]

Venom could work if they established his relationship with Spider-Man before going solo, but the trilogy didn't do that. Why would he even go after Spidey if the symbiote wasn't attached to Peter first?

[@mmayes237]

Madame Web could've worked as a spiderwoman movie and definitely would've saved money on actors

[@edboymovies]

@@michaelstrong5383 But Sony goes on to include Peter Parker on their second movie, and in No Way Home, Marvel is like "Nope! Fuck ya'll Sony." Just depends what they do with the little piece of symbiote that's is somehow not taken back to the Sony universe

[@TimeMakerMan]

​@michaelstrong5383 they could have made a Venom movie taking place after he killed his version of Spider-Man. Now he kind of regrets it and has remorse and he becomes the hero fighting other villains. I know it sounds dark and Sony doesn't have the balls but that works

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@TimeMakerMan That actually sounds like a far better movie than all the Sonyverse projects combined. A pretty dark "What If" story about what Venom would do next after he killed his enemy.

[@spicymemes7458]

No Way Home was their Sinister Six. Made a billion dollars, too. The thing they don't like is they needed Disney to do it. This is nothing more than hubris.

[@Kickinthescience]

Insomniac did the Sinister 6 better

[@dericjames2018]

Sinister Five 😂😂

[@Omar-wq9dz]

How about not interfering with the filmmakers. It happened with Sam Raimi on Spider-Man 3 and Marc Webb on Amazing Spider-Man 2

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@Omar-wq9dz The only good interference in any of Spider-Man's movies was Avi Arad suggesting that the Spot should be in the Spider-Verse sequel.

[@lidanikunst]

Thank goodness Jon Watts didn’t have similar problems with Spiderman No Way Home. 🙌🏾 Hopefully Destin Daniel Cretton can direct the next movies without the interference Sam and Marc unfortunately experienced.

[@trembledust6819]

all studios "interfere" with directors making movies. The studio is paying for it. Its rare a director is given total freedom to make a flick. Only a few directors could get that. i.e. Spielberg. WB gave free reign to Todd Philips with Joker 2 and look how that turned out. Sony just...meh lol@spider universe without Marvel involvement.

[@michaelstrong5383]

Carnage was *_RIGHT THERE_* when it came to making an R-rated movie about a Spider-Man villain. Granted, that doesn't mean it would have been a great film, but still.

[@COSun25]

Venom ate people's heads in the 3rd film even though it was bloodless.

Carnage would've made for an interesting mid budget horror film.

[@michaelstrong5383]

@@COSun25 PG-13 violence where you can show people's heads getting bitten off as long as there's no blood coming off of it. It's literally the Aqua Teen Hunger Force bit where they explain what standards and practices are.

[@udbz7264]

This movie was shit and was r rated. Carnage would just be a bloodier and vulgar shit movie

[@Kickinthescience]

@@michaelstrong5383 Insomniac will do a better job with Carnage and Venom

[@danishaiman2244]

Avi Arad needs to leave. There's your solution

[@michaelstrong5383]

Him and Tom Rothman. The same guy who sewed Deadpool's mouth shut thought these spinoff films were a great idea.

[@COSun25]

I don't even know why Disney even thanked Avi Arad in the end credits of 'Spider-Man: No Way Home'.

[@TheJanissary90]

We need "IP abuse" law in constitution so greedy producers like Avi Arad can't ruin this beloved IP's no more.

[@popeye697]

​@@COSun25it was a sarcastic thanks

[@gamestation2690]

@@COSun25 Because he produced the first five Spider-Man movies

[@kurtpeterson4035]

I know rage merchants have made the concept of studios and the creative industry really nebulous in terms of who is to blame. And this is both helped/harmed by the presence of Disney and Marvel who hire really big name creatives to helm their various projects. Giving the impression that at some level, the people signing off on these films have, somewhere deep inside them, a taste and passion for cinema. But let me help illuminate what some studios (no names) are actually like on a creative level. They're the ultra rich. They haven't watched movies since they were seven years old and they don't watch TV unless it involves the daily trades. When they hire people for projects, they don't care if it makes sense, they just look at their box office numbers. They sit through pitches from acclaimed writers and directors wondering what they're gonna have for lunch. If it doesn't have an IP attached, they find a way to prescribe one. They don't read scripts, they have assistants summarize the bullet points. They're not looking to reinvent a genre, they're there to _ride_ them. It'd make little difference if they hired good writers, good writers wouldn't want to work with them, they're all told to just follow the Iron Man formula. And when their films fail, the fault goes to anything but themselves, and therefore have no reason to change their thinking. "Morbius bombed? Huh. Well we sunk $5 million into pre-production for Kraven so let's keep that going." So what if it bombs? They don't care. They've got golden parachutes waiting if things get _really_ bad.

[@juans8356]

Disney did a great job with Spiderman Homecoming introducing Vulture and Shocker and Sony was too greedy to capitalize.

[@ak-ub1ym]

Lol wth are u talking about? No way home was successful BECAUSE OF Toby & Andrew's spiderman(which were Sony movies) Else disney's ironboy version of spiderman would still be average and sanitized & the only reason ironboy becomes spiderman at end of NWH is due to the trauma he faces during the movie. Lol ironboy here got the disney protag treatment and had a pi55ing contest with other spiderman in misery in No Way Home. Even disney is trash when it comes to Spiderman adaptation since they just told a new origin story for spiderkid in a different setting and till NWH came out , He was still ironboy and none of his rogue gallery had personal connect with him and were villains made by Tony Stark / the Avengers(in case of vulture in homecoming) It's only in NWH where he faces the consequences of his actions WHEN FACING TOBY'S AND ANDREW'S ROGUE GALLERY that he learns about dangers of being spiderman.

[@TimeMakerMan]

At this point, I don't care. They don't know what they're doing and at this point they might make more movies just to keep the movie rights.

[@edboymovies]

It's definitely that, but if youre a multi billion dollar company, surely you can invest in crafting the movies with far better quality, and make more money.

[@Mannydagoat]

They literally have to or they lose the rights

[@Screlz]

Its the ONLY reason they keep releasing these movies as messy as they are. Its only to keep the rights. They don't care about actually doing these properties justice AT ALL.

[@LuznoLindo]

​@@Mannydagoat So they're lying about Kraven being the last one, huh? Surprise, surprise.

[@RaDicAL808]

Take notes from the Penguin show, if they wanted to make an origin story of a villain. Don’t make them an antihero. Also, have Spider-Man in it lol

[@JonJayAllDay]

Yeah both Marvel and Sony could take lessons from DCs success with The Penguin. Marvel is treading water due to multiple factors but one of the most common reasons I hear because the tendencies and execution of these MCU movies and shows feels formulaic and it’s gotten stale to people. Sony completely missed the mark, they had the right idea by taking Spider-Man villains and giving them their own origin stories but they tried to force them to antihero’s and nobody wants to see that especially if Spider Man isn’t gonna be in it. It’s basically over for Sony already, they just need to completely change course ASAP, but Marvel can take some of the ground work of what Sony was trying do, take a couple of elements from what made The Penguin so great, sprinkle on some that marvel charm and flair that people love and do some real super villain origin movies, and that would definitely shake and freshen things up.

[@antwanjenkins6735]

I know what they should do, just pull the plug on the whole damn thing and let Marvel Studios do their thing.

[@mrlennydominguez]

Marvel Needs To Pull The Plug & Let Marvel Studios Make Money

[@ninjanibba4259]

Disney is no better

[@mrlennydominguez]

@ninjanibba4259 why Disney is no better

[@antwanjenkins6735]

@mrlennydominguez I think he means that Disney has become lazy and woke over the years and how even some of Marvel's projects haven't hit the same as they used to. I can understand that but despite their flaws Disney is still a far more better choice than Sony, because even Disney understand the basics of most of their Marvel characters than Sony ever did with their non Spider-Man Spider-verse live action films.

[@mrlennydominguez]

@@antwanjenkins6735 of course my friend and Disney is not woke

[@ItsAVolcano]

Toby is the perfect age now to play dad Peter for a Mayday Spidergirl movie.

[@maley2552]

Sony made a Spider Universe without having a Spider-Man to start it off. Even when they could've had Tobey or Andrew for it. If they did use Tobey or Andrew to start it with Venom, Morbius, then Andrew or Tobey could train one of those Spidergirls from Madame Web.

[@rmeddy]

This should've never been, Venom did well because of a solid marketing campaign and it gassed them up

[@donovanbradford8231]

Also Venom had a market and his first outing in Rami's film left a lot disappointed so there was still a market out there.

[@lordofthereels6790]

A Usual Suspects meets Tarantino style Reservoir Dogs type flick with B tier (maybe even f*** up) villains like Stiltman, Chameleon, Tarantula having to work together with Hobie Brown/Prowler as the audience avatar (and newest crew member) to the craziness being interviewed by Captain Stacy about the wild team trying to steel from Vanessa Fisk while Wilson's away could've been a cool/different direction for Sony IMO

[@michaelstrong5383]

I'd say _"Sony, hire this person!!"_ but that would imply that Sony cares about creativity in these movies. Amazing idea, though. I'd watch the hell out of that film.

[@ChaseSchleich]

The problem is, Sony can't use Spider-Man as long as they have their deal with Marvel. So they can't use Tobey or Andrew in a live action movie. One question would be, does that "no Spider-Man" rule only apply to Peter Parker? What about Miles or Gwen? If they could use a live action Spider-Gwen, then that may be an answer. They are using Spider-Man Noir in a live action series so they may be able to use other versions of Spider-Man as long as it's not Peter. Those contracts can be very specific sometimes, leaving big loopholes. The actual contract isn't public so we just don't know what the rules are and what the loopholes are.

[@4Everlast]

With DeepFakes, a few reshoots you can re-do S.Raimi's Spider-man 3 with HARDY! And continue from then on.

[@Independent365]

Martin saying no way home isnt a good movie is Crazy from the guy who said Spiderman 3 was good😂

[@OdaNobunaga15]

A Spider Man movie based on Earth-312500 would be great. That’s the one where he’s a bit older and his suit looks more like a track suit.

[@OrionInSpace]

Two things people need to be really talking about with this universe are the fact that all these films minus Madame Web were head produced by Avi Arad. If you know that name, you’ll know he’s been a part of many, very bad comic book film adaptations. Another thing we have to keep in mind, is that these films followed the now tired trope of turning a villain into an antihero. That trope has only worked rarely in small cases. The biggest one I can think of is Loki in the MCU, but at least that one was built up and they didn’t rush it through one movie.

[@edboymovies]

It's interesting that they fell into the same trap they fell into when making the Raimi 3and Webb 2 movies, but on a universal scale, this time, without the one person that would make a foil for what's supposed to be villains for him. Trying to make the Serene Six out here As far as Miles Morales, that is a but risk for them to do live action, and they really need that to do well, to be successful and to honor the character.

[@IMZ44]

Sony won't learn spit about this whole event. I have no hope for the live action Miles film from Sony.

[@COSun25]

I don't want any live-action projects with Miles Morales at all unless it's cosplay. I can deal with seeing cosplayers as Miles, any variant of Gwen, Miguel/Spider-Man 2099, etc.

[@michaelstrong5383]

Not to pull the old *"I hated this before it was cool"* rhetoric, but I thought this was a terrible idea when the first Venom movie was released. You would have to keep track of behind-the-scenes stories to know that this franchise is just Sony's other attempt to make a Sinister Six movie happen.

[@ninjanibba4259]

Trying to understand why Miles needs a film at all

[@RealKyndleNance]

I have a simpler suggestion and it won’t happen: Sell the Spider-Man IP back Marvel.

[@udbz7264]

😂 do you know what is so stupid about not doing this? Marvel would make more money and hence Sony gains more even though Sony would only be getting a percentage as opposed to the full amount. The Sony movies bomb in the theater

[@markwatkins4825]

That’s not going to happen. Spider Man is too valuable a property. And if they would do it, it would probably be at a price Disney would not want to pay.

[@jayelsteveson]

@@markwatkins4825how valuable will it be if they keep fucking it up? Lol

[@markwatkins4825]

@ still very valuable. The Venom movies made money. And you’re forgetting the animated Spiderverse movies have been successful. And their partnership with Marvel with Spider-Man being in the MCU has been an overwhelming success with most of the profits going to Sony.

[@donovanbradford8231]

I don't think they have to sell it just lease it to them with a kick back in order so you'll get money from the MCU proper and not have to lift a finger because Spiderman will probably out live the MCU with a few other characters.

[@levantz]

If they have an agreement with marvel to not use Spider-Man they possibly could have used venom fighting Spider-Man’s villains. Like Agent venom. That would have been better than what we got.

[@ParkerCS2]

Andrew Garfield or an older spider man makes sense for a more mature universe than the MCU. The problem is that Sony is so incompetent and can’t simply make it happen nor put good creatives in charge of these films.

[@austindevine248]

The thing that gets me is that Sony was never restricted from using Spider Man to begin with. Even then the movies would have still been bad

[@trembledust6819]

it was due to the separate agreement they made with Marvel. That Marvel would make films starring Spidey and Sony would distribute. It allowed Sony to invest less and profit. They didn't have to re-up the deal a few years ago. They so could of just told Marvel yea nah we good and make movies with Spidey in it but I think they aren't dumb. They see how much money the Marvel Spidey movies make. U'd think they would make similar deals w/ other Spidey characters. Maybe Marvel said nah its cool. who know.

[@hanasong1519]

These failures will prompt Sony to either bring back Tobey or Andrew or possibly both.

[@sevellcole7940]

What they need to do is make movies first then add the comic elements. Cause they are trying to make comic book movies and there's no story or characters

[@CinemaMack]

I still remember the story of Sony producer Amy Pascal throwing a sandwich at Kevin Feige after he proposed Marvel studios making a Spider-Man movie. He's probably got an arsenal of five dollar foot longs with her name on it.

[@demonizer133]

"Y'all mfs need Spidey" 🤣

[@lidanikunst]

9:05 Maybe those movies could be animated instead of live-action, since Tobey and Andrew have both acknowledged how much they’ve aged since their last respective movies before Spiderman: No Way Home. Plus those movies can be made on smaller budgets compared to the usual live-action superhero movies.

[@JakeTylenol]

Spider-Man 2099 cinematic universe? With Spiderman characters only? Especially after the Animated movie? Just saying

[@michaelstrong5383]

There's supposed to be an animated Spider-Gwen spinoff with some of the other Spider-Women. A Spider-Man 2099 film would be pretty cool.

[@COSun25]

​@michaelstrong5383 That Spider-Women project might have evolved into the 'Madame Web' film.

[@earthsongeb]

​@@COSun25Which was terrible. Should've just stuck with the original idea.

[@Maxrepfitgm]

For comedic purposes I want the Madame Web sequel just like I want new Neil Breene movies lol

[@Double512]

"i have destroyed 300 million spider men!"

[@amerejester3295]

Lucasfilm has Kathleen Kennedy, Superman had Jon Peters for more than 20 years, and Spider-Man has Amy Pascal and Avi Arad.

[@AdrianERosales]

I'm dying for more Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man. It's chef's kiss shit.

[@traesmith9822]

Counterpoint: they say no. Hinging an entire franchise on 2 specific actors is a non-starter.

[@griswoldclark6835]

Miles doesn’t need to be live action. His two animated movies are damn near perfect and top 3 spider-man movies

[@ethanpitts7344]

Sony can't do a cinematic Spiderman right until Avi is gone. The only reason spiderverse was great was because he never laid a finger on it. The man is delusional.

[@jeremyfuscaldo9944]

I still maintained that Venom movie was a remake of Puma man.

[@thedefinitionisthis]

Well. Having A Spider-Man in one of their movies would be a good idea, for starters...

[@Aerobyte12]

Martin lookin fresh with that hat ✨ been a while since I've seen him wear it 👌

[@MaverickneoGamer]

How can you fix it? Give the property back to Disney

[@a.f.watcher8888]

We all know, Only a third Spiderverse film. And Letting Marvel call the shots on Spidey here on out, Also Maguire and Garfield are all but certain to be in Secret Wars.

[@Zanimator360]

Spiderman is the protagonist the villains are the antagonists, make it make sense SONY!!

[@claycrawford7]

The best approach to me is one they’ll never do. One of the best parts of the first Spiderverse was being dropped into an established Peter Parker who’s been doing it for like 20 years. You could still do that with Andrew, but maybe it’s time to cast a new Peter, and since we’ve already done a fresh faced 15 year old version, now show a different story with a 35 year old Peter.

[@lorancehack5206]

If we're going multiverse, and there are now "anchors" introduce Miles Morales in Andrew Garfield's world, let AG mentor him and then kill him off against a variant version of himself trying to revive Gwen.. I guess make her an anchor. Cause multiverse shit to happen for Miles, intertwine into Tobey's world, introduce Tobey's daughter, Mayday Parker, our first female Spider-girl. She gets nabbed by variant AG, they go through multiverses, plot, plot, visit Tom Holland's world, introduce his Venom, cause mayhem in his world, he becomes Anti-Venom. Plot, then they get sucked in Secret Wars with RDJ as Dr. Doom our villain but plot-twist he's actually OG Tony Stark. And they meet Madame Webb for no reason. And wait, OG AG isn't killed off, he's alive and was saved by Deadpool & Wolverine or some shit so Sony can make more money on BS. I mean AG has been doing a lot of press, he had a sit down with Ryan Reynolds so, just assuming it'll happen.

[@Silvere1]

Tobey barely cracked jokes! Andrew’s Spider-Man definitely felt more like the comics.

[@mart5610]

Spider-Man 3 bully maguire Tobey was great though

[@ianroehrig5491]

Sony knew this was going to bomb. I didn't even know this movie was released. The marketing budget for this movie had to be slashed into oblivion. I have seen way more advertising for Madame Web's release than Kraven.

[@KazPIII]

Nothing wrong with the Sinister Six… could have been great.. the execution was terrible.. ‘No Way Home’ proved it was marketable😎

[@shinndig1293]

Instead of wasting so much time, money and talent on character spinoff films that nobody wants. What Sony should do is pull a ‘Disaster Artist’ and make a film all about the whole production history of the Spider-Man broadway musical cause that would actually be entertaining and interesting.

[@renji90998]

It’s kinda fitting the Kraven killing the Sonyverse. In the comics, Kraven unalived himself in the 80s I believe. Then was resurrected after a little over 20 years in real time. That pose they got the actor doing is part of the comics, but the lines in that panel involving saying “did no one ask if he even want to come back?” Nowadays Kraven goes after Spider-Man mainly because he’s the only one that can kill him due to the resurrection spell making him the only one that can do it and can’t even delete himself.

[@trembledust6819]

Thats a misconceptoion. Sony is not killing the verse. They are taking a break for now. They still have spiderman noir being filmed for amazon, and the third enter the spider serve flick which has been delayed smh.

[@AkuAku695]

i just need tobey and raimi back. Make that happen, I want him to mentor his daughter to become the successor in that movie

[@CaleMadison]

No one has mentioned how the public has wisened up to SONY not being marvel. When venom came out plenty of people thought it was a marvel project, but until now it was muggy as far as the moviegoing public

[@bigblueboyscout1]

The bigger issue is Sony wants to keep the IP badly. Sony suffered from what DC suffered in the early 2010s which was the MCU being successful. Any studio thought they could replicate that model and many studios fell flat on their faces. Sony being one of them. They think they're safe because they can do well as long as Disney can help them. But on their own they can't.

[@Marvel83]

Toby will be yelling at MJ, saying, "Where's my spidey suit?"

[@EhvinnTee]

Honestly, there's just GOTTA be some contractual limit to using a separate live-action Spider-Man in the Sony movies, per their deal with Marvel Studios. At this point, that's gotta be the only reason why Sony hasn't done anything with Tobey or Andrew. It makes sense that a clause in the contract with Marvel Studios limits using any other Spidey to keep from oversaturating, cause in their minds it probably takes away from Tom Holland's films. That would also explain why Nic Cage's Spider-Man Noir is BEN REILLY and not Peter Parker.

[@Wolf3Man3Media]

cool thing about it when I first saw Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of madness I really felt that because Sam was a director I just had in my head like this could possibly be what Spider-Man four would look like if he was able to direct and Toby was on board forit

[@ronaldharrisonjr2990]

Andrew is my favorite one out of the 3. Was SO happy to see him in No Way Home(and yeah,I cried when he saved MJ) Tobey and Tom were great,don't get me wrong but there's just something about Andrew's Spiderman that clicks with me. It'll probably never happen but I want him to get his third movie like Tom and Tobey. And again,like Tom and Tobey,I also want him to get with HIS MJ(Shailene Woodley)

[@AlMoSiCe210]

The poster for Superman dropped this morning. Teaser drops Thursday

[@stevenunibrow5036]

The funny part is the best part of the movie (the animalistic way Kraven moves) is just ripped from the Beast in Split…

[@PhilHug1]

They should sell 51% of Spider-Man ownership to Marvel with the additional agreement that Marvel gets full creative control. Sony gets half of profits or revenue for any Spider-Man related films and a smaller portion of profits/revenue when Spider-Man related characters appear in other Marvel movies like Avengers

[@tannerhuskins330]

“… and these are the left hands.” BARS

[@SlickAndroid94]

Hearing Avi Arad and Naruto in the same breath made my heart sink to the bottom of the ocean.

[@ChrisKP11]

Making stories about villains and forcing them into being heroes like the fuck?

[@BriSand1993]

Are the latest bad movie roasts missing? I can't find anything past the Tony Hawk movie, didn't they post another one after it or am I remembering wrong?

[@DoubleToasted_]

We are disputing some copyright claims for our last roast (2 weeks ago) - We did not do a roast for last week.

[@BriSand1993]

@@DoubleToasted_ Wow, direct reply from you guys. Awesome, thank you for answering my questions. Never thought I'd get a response from you guys directly, this is so cool.

[@forman0719]

I love martin's hat. What's the brand called?

[@Mikedaboss123]

They can still have success in their universe. Garfield says he went dark . Make a new movie in which he’s beating the shit out of these villains , moribus , kraven , venom , and make him become venom . Now you got something

[@matthewennis3591]

Andrew Garfield definitely deserves another film. I feel like his Spider-Man was the most entertaining and his chemistry with Gwen far exceeded anything we got with Mary Jane or mcu MJ. He reminds me a bit of Kane Hodder of F13 where by he was the best Jason Vorhees in the worst sequels. He deserves his trilogy capper.

[@LouisBartholomew-n9v]

I love how Korey isn't doing those 20 min ad reads anymore.

[@stevenunibrow5036]

Piggybacking on their idea about older Toby Peter getting his own movie that would be a good place to introduce the first official live action Miles Morales for him to mentor

[@jerryfox143]

miles, it's going to be extremely hard for him to find a properly mixed actor then if they do people will complain the mixed actor is not black skinned enough

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

I can most definitely see Sony selling Spider-Man to Disney in the future

[@trembledust6819]

unless Sony Pictures goes bankrupt (which likely will not happen anytime soon since as a whole surprisingly enough their spider-verse movies have made them money) the amount of money Disney would need to pony up for the rights back it won't happen. It would be waaay too steep to pay.

[@sandmanofchaos]

How Sony can fix their Spider-Man universe? Selling the rights back to Marvel should be the only answer.

[@derran82]

They messed up. They could have had an alternate Spider-Man.....cast a different actor beside the MCU Spider-Man. There were so many different avenues they could have took.

[@JakeTylenol]

No Way Home did Andrew Garfield so much Justice people now pretend TASM 1 and 2 were great movies and that that’s how they always felt about it

[@Tkj1990]

Those movies are ass 🤣

[@gcolbyp]

But to be fair, I don’t think people have a problem with Andrew Garfield’s portrayal, he was just in bad movies (or at least TASM2 was, the first one is just meh)

[@Tkj1990]

@@gcolbyp I didn't think he was anything special as Peter or Spider-Man when compared to Tobey or Tom

[@JakeTylenol]

@ no I’ve seen people glaze TASM 2 as the best Spiderman movie in comment sections

[@Tkj1990]

@JakeTylenol got the best spiderman costume I'll give it that

[@MrGlenbw]

25:09 That would've been a more fitting name for SSU to be honest since it doesn't even have an official name in the first place.

[@Remy-qm4hn]

Nah, let them learn. If we keep accepting their crap, Sony will continue to shat in our cheerios.

[@illson2019]

Miles Morales is going to be in the MCU like Peter. Kevin Fiege said they're just waiting for the Spider-verse movies to end

[@SiriuslyBlack7]

"We choose who we are Spider-Man!NOW CHOOSE!!" he chose the kids and MJ...Spidey didn't choose to save Kraven from record-breaking box office disaster. 🤣

[@Best1-4me]

Did the sound go out at any time for anyone else

[@MT-or7lv]

the worst idea was Marvel selling-off spiderman to Sony.

[@Tkj1990]

Its def implied Andrew Killed. And Tobeys also "killed" the guy who killed uncle ben in the first movie and then ofcourse with Black suit attempted to kill sandman and harry. So them both trying to save Toms spiderman and having him be the spiderman who didnt kill was very well done.

[@kguillou]

I dont know that doubling down on “Spider-men” movies is the answer either. Having a rotation of Tobey, Andrew and Holland movies i think will just dillute the character and is a sure fire way of just making people sick of spiderman. A spiderman movie should be special whenever it comes out.

[@Dookieman1975]

Thing is I think they could’ve made these movies work. With or without spiderman. And let’s be honest, with the writing quality, adding spiderman wouldn’t have fixed anything. And the first step is to let them be villainous except for madam web. I can think of ways they could’ve made these decent without spiderman… and they couldn’t even do that

[@richiemanuta1972]

Tldr: I would love for a documentary down the line that explains exactly how the rights work. I would love for a documentary down the line that explains exactly how the rights work. First I thought Sony just needs to produce a Spider-Man movie (doesn't matter what type ) to maintain the rights to Spider-Man but Sony is already doing the spiderverse movies; that should qualify for them to retain the rights but apparently animation is different. Okay then their making Venom that should be enough but no; we get three other villan movies, does this mean each individual character needs a movie or needs to feature in a movie or else the rights go back to Marvel? Like what are the parameters of the deal? I did some reading up on the topic and found out that Sony only owns the movie rights. I assumed that they got the video game rights as well but no Marvel has either a majority or full rights to video game spidey. They just let Sony have exclusivity on the Playstation (probably to strengthen their relationship).

[@adamclifton29]

Original Spiderman doesn't talk shit? "Nice outfit. Did your husband pick it out?"

[@jerryfox143]

they cant use those old spiderman while Marvel using the original

[@noelperez1609]

If a dish gets bigger after you put salt in it, that's too much salt

[@mart5610]

I know they won't do it but i would love it if they made Spider-Man 4 with Tobey. Or the Amazing Spider-Man 3 with Andrew.

[@ak-ub1ym]

First off , No way home was successful BECAUSE OF Toby & Andrew's spiderman not due to disney's ironboy & only at the end of NWH , he actually becomes spiderboy so all those movies were just a new origin story for spiderboy here. Else disney's ironboy version of spiderman would still be average and sanitized & the only reason ironboy becomes spiderman at end of NWH is due to the trauma he faces during the movies. Lol ironboy here got the disney protag treatment and had a pi55ing contest with other spiderman in misery.

[@donniecastro49]

FFH made a billion so the franchise was already successful before they threw the two has beens in the fold for nostalgic purposes 🥱

[@ak-ub1ym]

@Donnie : ​Sorry I thought I was talking human beings with free will not domesticated human cattle from the Disney ranches who love to eat slop because that is what they are fed , day in and day out that the farmer feeds em to fatten em piggies/cows before they go to the chopshop. And if u have a brain in the skull of urs then u will know what I meant and what tone was intended.

[@Zandersaurus]

Sony has been screwing their own adaptations and blockbuster movies like the recent 2021 Resident Evil reboot “Welcome to Raccoon City” aka the WORST live action RE movie ever! And Sony last Men in Black “MIB: International” wasn’t interesting. Let’s not forget Tom Holland in Uncharted 😓

[@ajascson]

They will absolutely do a Live Action Miles, the only real question is will it be Sony Exclusive, or will he be apart of the MCU?

[@Ramen_Hibachi]

Just add Spider-Man

[@ParkerCS2]

Andrew Garfield or a new Peter Parker actor

[@derran82]

Venom without Spider-Man was fruitless.

[@ChrisKP11]

I honestly think Spider Man villian movies could work. A movie with both Venom and Spider Man in it but it's told through the perspective of Venom.

[@dellcoc]

Garfield will not sign on to Sony without Marvel Studios. They will not be able to get him, rightfully.

[@sreyangovender3404]

No one wants to see him

[@normtrooper4392]

We need to get avi arad out of movies. This man has some serious dirt on someone to keep being involved in projects despite them completely bombing

[@OshKoshWorldwide]

Success in anime and video games but cant get movies right is so true and absolutely WILD 🤪

[@LukeMossman]

I'm not seeing anything related to Spider-Man unless it features either Holland, Garfield, or Maguire

[@christophergarrett7082]

Alot of the problem is that these characters are only interesting because of spiderman and the writers for these movies aren't doing a good job in making the audience care