Sony X95L vs. TCL QM8 | The One To Want vs. the One To Buy

[@Caleb_Denison]

Hey everyone! Sorry I am late to the comments section! Had to grind for a few days to get content done before heading to NY for the VE TV Shootout. What are your predictions?

[@michael-4k4000]

How can the Apple Watch Ultra do 3,000 nits? Its OLED and I didnt know OLED could get to 3,000 Nits, and if it can, they why cant they get it that bright on TV's??????

[@jonathanmcdaniel332]

I was planning on getting this once our new house is finished but I was in the BB Outlet store and happened to see the 85” x93L for 2499. I delighted the fam later that evening with a huge box. Not sure why it was at the outlet because it looked brand new with all of the protective film on it. $1500 off was a savings I couldn’t pass out on!!!

[@AlexanderAntonopoulos]

Can we find the video you used to test the TVs on KZbin?

[@Edward135i]

Incredible how difficult it is for electronics manufacturers to put backlights on remotes still to this day It's not the 1980s anymore

[@csi2448]

It actually blew my mind a little bit when I got the QM8 and saw that it had a backlit remote lol

[@TechCody113]

@@Sas-wk9ljYeep internet ruined the tech world. They release shit tv and then *fix it* via update 6 months later.

[@nuggyfresh6430]

it honestly doesn't bother me at all. Most people are using a streaming device in current times, so the base remote is only used for settings tweaking (which you should have dialed in pretty quick for the various content types you're experiencing)

[@SOCHICBEM]

Funny thing is I have a Sony from 2011 and the remote has a backlight. It's worthless because the buttons are opaque, but it is there.

[@anom6707]

Its a nice feature but most tv remotes are so simple and have so few buttons that its not a big deal, but it would be a nice touch nonetheless

[@Ineedtotakeabreak]

We have had 5 Sony TVs over the last 20+ years and all were excellent for their time. Never had any problems, our current 70 inch is 8 years old and still has fine picture.

[@CandBLawnCare]

I would use my Apple TV 4K instead of my internal apps but the problem is,I watch a ton of KZbin tv. The Apple TV audio is multi in vs the Sony tv is Dolby surround on my denon receiver. It’s night and day and disappointing.

[@NayaraSiddiqua]

@@CandBLawnCareAndroid better than apple

[@halfclappertopchedda]

You cannot beat Sony. Their attention to detail is insane.

[@the_sound_of_art]

I seen someone's review where their screen died on their Sony X90L therefore it's not impossible for Sony not to have problems (apparently they needed to fix it 2 different times too)

[@tonypaca3015]

i see the sony 10% better not 2 times. sony is 5k and tcl 2.5k. i take the tcl no questions askedand and reduce the brightness to 50%. that's why credit card debt is going to the moon because people don't buy what they can afford

[@Spnwax]

My X95L arrived yesterday. The picture quality is absolutely stunning. Worth every penny. Zero regrets.

[@halfclappertopchedda]

My pockets aren't lined enough to get the X95L. I got the X90L which looks be a brilliant TV aswell, although not mini LED. You, my friend, have possibly one of the best TVs on the market! I'm very jealous. Enjoy!!

[@MadViking82]

Got X95K 65" and before that had TCL C735 "75 which was half the price, and my wife's first comment was "eww this looks worse than the previous one we had" which was X950G 65". Immediately sent the TCL back and ordered the X95K and have been very happy with it, despite the occasional blooming. From this comparison, I can immediately see the same reasons on the QM8 why I could not live with it, washed out colors off angle, over brightnening of the image, shadow details being lost and motion being mediocre. For a 85", I'd never compromise, and having had TCL and Samsung at home usage, after going X950G, and now X95K, I can never go back. Next up is X95M 85" or X95N 85", depending on how I can negotiate with the wife. I do like Panasonic and Sharp as well, and they are right up there with Sony, and LG being a close fourth player. The rest are a no-go for me after Sony accuracy.

[@docwho10th88]

@@halfclappertopchedda Hey..its a SONY...you can sleep well and have peace of mind!

[@Sas-wk9lj]

@@halfclappertopchedda do you feel you are missing out on a better picture with your X90L? As I'm seriously considering X90L over X95L. Let's forget about the marketing crap of the 'best picture' superlatives for a second and ask yourself with 100% honesty, do you love your X90L and enjoy evey moment with it or not?

[@Sas-wk9lj]

@@aarongreene2525 you guys spend fortune on motorbikes and cars, why not on a TV for a change?

[@F_K3NT_D]

We’ve been very satisfied with the QM8 we got a couple weeks ago. Coming from a 2017 LG that ended up with a cracked screen somehow, the picture quality and black levels on this TCL are phenomenal.

[@LooperDIY]

Update 6 months later ?

[@elacombe75]

Love the comparison videos. Keep them up. Definitely more value than the unboxing videos. One thing I'd love to see is a comparison of the X90L, X93L, and X95L. Like, how much better / what are you getting with each tier jump? Also, under what conditions would you opt for an X95L instead of a G3 or A95L and vice versa since they're in the same ballpark price-wise.

[@michael-4k4000]

me too! I think the X93/95 will get a bit brighter in the highlights, but in regular SD content they should look pretty similar.

[@daiei276]

I've asked for the same X90L/X93L/X95L comparison.

[@TeslaRules1856]

Please do - do a video on quality differences between external boxes, apple , Fire TV cube, Chomecast, Roku, etc..... vs internal Google and LG WebOS apps. To my understanding no one has done such a video. Also I suppose on this front - you could turn off wifi connection on the main TV as well.

[@dsoprano13]

If the Sony is the best LED TV ever then you know we want to see it vs the A95L. Need to know if the gap is any closer.

[@FURognar]

I just got the QM8. Man is it a great looking tv with some frustrating flaws. It definitely overbrightens things. But it also darkens the near black too much. So I had to pull the Gamma down to 2.0. 2.2 was way too dark. It crushed all the shadow detail away. Even at gamma 2.0, I had to raise the black level to 53. That brought out all the shadow detail at the expense of a few percentage points of contrast. But there's still plenty of contrast. Still dialing in the picture. I may try turning the gamma down to 2.1 for a bit more contrast and hopefully preseve the shadow detail. If TCL fixes the EOTF curve on this tv so it doesnt simultaneously blow out the bright highlites and crush the blacks, this will be one of the best ever.

[@loki76]

That's the thing and what people don't realize. That just because the QM8 has more zones, it doesn't mean it can do them properly. They don't have the algorithms or processing to make use of the zones. It becomes brute force that causes black crush and loss of shadow detail. You raising black level means you now lost all the "deep black" because it literally have raised them to deep dark grey. There is no way to dial these TVs in for best picture, it's always forgo this over that as compromise. This is why I never think they are "value" option like Caleb said. No it's better to just save money for another year and then get a discounted X95L next year. Or an X95K 85" from last year. The processing, detail, accuracy, shadow detail all of it is far superior on the X95L for example. If it's basically impossible for a person to get X95L. I'd say go with X90L instead. You get the same quality processing. But you just have to live with more blooming in bad scenes. But fortunately that only happens less than 10% of the time. Also even THEN you can fix 90% of that "10%" by just having a few lights on in the room at night beside the TV on each side. Now you would barely see the blooming or raised blacks, but you get almost all the glory of excellent image. Every time I see X90L vs U8K or QM8. It wins with ease in looks. It's just in worst black level/dark HDR Scenes it falters. But that is only in "dark room" viewing. Ironically X90L has better contrast in almost all scenes. The blacks look deeper as do the contrast.

[@ps4games164]

I wouldn't buy TCL 85 even for 500$. I respect my time.

[@FURognar]

@@ps4games164 I bought one amost 6 years ago just to try it out. Its been the most reliable (and best looking) tv I ever owned, so I decided to get another one when I upgraded.

[@FURognar]

I ended up restoring the tv to factory reset, then starting over (it lost Atmos with Netflix and D+) and ended up at gamma 2.2 and black level 53. Thats the sweet spot. All the contrast but without crushing the shadow detail. Set looks fantastic. Its also very clean. Minimal DSE, absolutely no vignetting (my old 6 series had pretty dim corners) and the Dolby Vision on this set looks phenomenal. The HDR pop is off the charts.

[@paulcarlin5181]

Are you going to get the extended warranty? I went ahead with the Hisense U8k and going to get the extended warranty. I talked to some of the repair guys that come to my work and they said the TCL and Hisense are better TV's than folks think and they get the most calls from a brand that starts with S and ends with G. @@FURognar

[@dragns]

I'm really wanting to see a comparison between the QM8 and the X90L. I remember in another comparison vid (I think between TCL and Hisense), you said you would choose the X90L if it were in the mix, but I'd love to see your breakdown of reasons why.

[@birdtj82]

Dude dont trust ANY of his videos with Qm8 n Hisense . ME bought 3 Hisense Flagship panels last 3 yrs (meant to get 2 but had to move n size up). H9G, U8G, U8H….all 3 in home in person are EPID OLED black. NONE OF his video look nearly what they look like in store or at home. I also checked U8K 75” in store his review did NOT look like what it look like in store . I know what I was expecting when i click QM8 vs SONY video .

[@birdtj82]

I have checked SONY X90L. It’s shi!!!!!!! I went to Bestbuy a few days ago. It’s 5 min walk from my home . X90L has native contrast of 2000:1 Hisense 7500:1. TCL 5500:1. Native contrast means how many shades of grey between white-> black. X90L has blooming (noticeable), then LOW native contrast, then dim . All sorts of issues. U8K QM8 will smoke X90L of course he knows how to “max tweak em” to make them look like garbage.

[@damontroch4765]

​@birdtj82 ur crazy 🤪 . TCL and Hisense PQ isn't anything more than bright inaccurate colors and horrible motion handling.

[@birdtj82]

@@damontroch4765 dude u re WELCOME to call anyone crazy,. Just like when first Tesla came out all the RAM truck drivers will call ppl buy Tesla crazy. Lol

[@matttruffle]

I like the comparison but at the end of each section I would add something like if the Sony is 10/10 the QM8 is a 9/10. Helps quantify how big or little the difference is between the two TVs and how much more the extra few percent will cost you.

[@gozoogle]

Or at least big win vs little win... like the off angle is a big win and a lot of the other categories are tiny little wins

[@rcadventures1056]

I have the qm8 and this tv blows me away ever day it's just amazing

[@Scoobasteve2343]

How is it for watching sports from say KZbin TV

[@runjdm_]

$2500 US difference, going off of Sony's MSRP of $5299.99 vs. the TCL QM8 on Amazon MSRP of $2799.99. The TCL drops down to $2089.99. Really good video showing the two, and I absolutely agree for most the TCL QM8 would be a perfect TV for the price. I scooped the 65" QM8 for my bright living room and it has been great for a $999 TV (on sale for Prime Day) - really no regrets (was between this or the U8K)

[@Spnwax]

I ordered my X95L for $4300 USD less than two weeks ago.

[@Tyanmax99]

The Sony will be under $4k soon enough

[@birdtj82]

@@Tyanmax99 i would grab UX any day before X95L. 150000:1 native contrast. Vs X95L 1:5000 Then UX-16 bit chip, X95L 10bit.

[@tonypaca3015]

i see the sony 10% better not 2 times. sony is 5k and tcl 2.5k. i take the tcl no questions askedand and reduce the brightness to 50%. that's why credit card debt is going to the moon because people don't buy what they can afford

[@gozoogle]

If next year's version of QM8 can close the off-axis viewing angle issue and keep the $ value, it would tip the scale for a lot of folks like me

[@kylewinkelman450]

Now its time for a a95l vs x95l comparison

[@mikej6565]

I have a 2015 Sony TV playing reels in my lobby 24/7. No issues, the TV still works as expected. I bought a TCL 6 series for my mother and it didn't last much more than a year. I have an employee who's TCL didn't last 2 years. I have never had a Sony TV die on me and they're solid, near commercial quality. I'd gladly pay and recommend a higher quality product over a budget price/quality one, such as TCL and Samsung TV's.

[@bradarnold7834]

Did you contact TCL? I literally put my kid’s scooter wheel through the screen of my 8 Series and they replaced the whole TV despite it being user error and not covered by warranty.

[@mikej6565]

@@bradarnold7834 I didn't bother. My mom sold hers as broken for $100 and my employee thew his in the garbage. I felt bad for recommending the TCL brand and gave them both LG OLED TV's for free.

[@Krynale]

@@bradarnold7834 "I literally put my kid's scooter wheel through the screen"...the fuck is going on in this household?!

[@StefanoMaggio]

My two cents prob don't apply any longer coz my tv is no 13 years old and works great, and works alot! That's why I'm so hesitant in changing it, I don't think the "newr" brands will last as long

[@bradarnold7834]

@@Krynale I was really mad okay!?! lol. No, it was Christmas and I was assembling the scooter on the living room floor in front of the TV and when I picked it up I didn’t have the bottom part secured and the axle swung the back wheel around and into the screen. It was just me being dumb.

[@webhead615]

Great video. Would like to see more "unfair comparison" videos to get your thoughts on the value proposition, like a high-end LCD vs budget OLED.

[@LeezahB]

Yes! How about the QM8 vs the A80L? Or, better yet, how about the X95L vs the A80L!?

[@MattyDaddy14]

Def one of the BEST comparison vids I’ve seen in a long time!!!! Thank you for doing this! Side note, maybe first time I sat thru the entire embedded ad portion! Well done! 🎉

[@chryslerprowlerv8]

I currently have a TCL 6series 65inch..... upgrading to an TCL QM8 85inch for black friday....I have 0 complaints with TCL and sure Its not the very best picture...but you absolutely can't beat the bang for ur buck factor with TCL....I'll keep the 2grand In my pocket lol

[@tomtube1012]

TCL's tier one TV is the X955. The QM8 is TCL's tier 2 TV. This is a comparison between Sony's tier one TV against TCL's tier 2 TV. Similarly, Hisense's tier one TV is the UX. The U8K is Hisense's tier 2 TV. Don't say it's the best LCD TV out there until you've tested other tier one LCD TVs.

[@SelimxBradley]

Hopefully Caleb will chime in.

[@gb.85]

tcl X955 & hisense UX will trounce sony X95L.. Caleb knows it, but he needs to keep sony happy else sony will stop sending review units in future..

[@tomtube1012]

@@chibbyylol "Right now" X955 is TCL's tier one TV and UX is Hisense's tier one TV. If you want to talk about the best LCD TV, it makes more sense to compare Sony's tier one TV with other tier one TV's. This Sony TV may be the best LCD TV he has tested so far, but it's not the same as saying it's the best LCD TV on the market "right now".

[@tomtube1012]

@@chibbyylol Wrong. Hisense UX has already been selling at Best Buy.

[@tomtube1012]

@@chibbyylol There are also reviews on their website from their customers already.

[@08JKx]

I’ve had multiple TCL sets, from older edge lit 5 series to the R635 and the mini-LED set released a couple years ago. While they are great for the price, I always had issues with random shutdown and/or reboots, audio delay issues no matter how I set my receivers audio delay settings (one app would be fine while others were not, etc.). The latest mini-LED I purchased a couple years ago has already started having a weird flickering of the screen every now and then. Annoying enough that I decided to replace it as it was my main living room TV. So instead of going TCL again I scooped up an 85” Sony X90L from Costco for $2500 (and I’ll get $500 back this week due to a price drop thanks to Costco’s policy) which makes it cheaper than the QM8. So far I’m very pleased with the Sony out of the box. Time will tell if the “Sony tax” is worth it. Oh, and when buying the Sony at Costco, you get the coveted backlit remote and 5 year warranty. 👍

[@gamingsfinest1]

They had the x90l 85” for $2000 recently?

[@birdtj82]

@@gamingsfinest1 be careful . I went to Bestbuy last week the X90L in person does not look Ike the videos they produce. His videos are rigged. Objectively intentional. U8K n Qm8 are both INCKY black. He know what he’s doing (having 2500nit) full OUT bloom NOT bright room, not day time. Like who turns TV ON ANY day at 100% brightness at home at dark?????????? I have seen X90L its good, but NOT as OLED as Hinsense n TCL. He False prepresent the TVs. i am saying it cuz i bought 3 Hisense flagship panels ….3 yr in a row. NONE of them look like any of tv in his video.--so i have MORE to say cuz i have them. Than him “having tv in the office for a week, then gone”. His videos are trash now. So many ppl calling him out.

[@michael-4k4000]

@@gamingsfinest1 yea, you are better off getting a Sony (lower end model, then a high end lower end brand). The most expensive Sony and the least expensive Sony still use the same processor and power supply. Power supply is where they try to save money as it's not something u see and there is no spec for it.

[@dhowting]

And cash back if you're an executive member!! Even more if you have the credit card!! P.s. yeah, I work for Costco! Lol

[@birdtj82]

@@michael-4k4000 sure BMW x3 , Audi A3 Utter Tin can worst car vs Hyndai Palisade . Toyota Hilander .

[@JFLTX]

UX vs X95L worked be a much more fair match up.

[@LeezahB]

Agreed!

[@samstone2007]

UX is vaporware

[@tomtube1012]

Agreed. Only 400 of these were shipped to the US though, so supplies are limited. It is suppose to be next on the list for RTINGS to purchase and review. So looking forward to that review.

[@JFLTX]

@@tomtube1012 I'm a little disappointed because Caleb mentioned he'd review the UX a month ago.

[@DannyB-cs9vx]

Good enough is good enough. Nobody will have two TVs side by side to compare the differences. If it looks good to you, that is all that matters. I mostly use my TV as a computer monitor at about an 8' distance. I have a 58" Highsense U6. I think I should have gone a tad larger so that text would be easier to read., (without lowering the resolution to get larger letters). A 75" might work better, but I am not willing to spend a fortune to find out. So If I buy again, it will be a U8 or QM8. The first thing I will try is a wall mount that lets me bring the TV 30" closer to me. That would make the viewing distance about 5 1/2 '. The formula that I see for viewing distance is size X 1.5 / 12 = So 58 x 1.5 /12 = 7.25'.

[@pietroscarpa2384]

If you want the best picture for movies use a dedicated bluray player. Off course, not everything is on physical media. I also have noticed that the build in apps don't always work perfectly.

[@adrianlobont]

Sony X95L for me 🙂

[@PorshaHomeTheater]

Same!

[@PorshaHomeTheater]

Thank you Caleb! I took a look at the Value Electronics event advertisement and didn't see the X95L in the official shootout itself. Nuts! Have fun MCing! We'll watch it via the live stream.😀😀😀

[@gb3496]

Now do the Sony 77" A95L vs. the 77" A80L (same glossy-type, and not matte, screen as the A95L) - let's see what you "get" for all that extra money. And if the 77 QD-OLED (A95L) is the way to go vs. the 83" OLED (A80L).

[@DJChrisCruise]

Caleb, you’re always fun to watch. Keep putting out great stuff 🎉

[@marksalamon619]

There's no denying that Sony's quality comes with a premium price tag. I don't mind paying extra for a TV that gives me just about everything I want from a display, because by my calculation if you keep using your TV for many years (which is what I try to do) and it continues to give you pleasure during that time, the high initial cost can work out to be a bargain, in the long run. I'd love to buy the Sony X95L but it's sold only as an 85" screen, and I can't fit a display of that size anywhere in my house. So, an additional virtue of the TCL QM8 is that it is available in 75" and 65" versions for those who want a smaller TV. The Hisense U8K also provides the option of a 75", 65", or 55" screen. I just wish the Sony X95L offered me those choices, as well.

[@asktodd2000]

This video sold me on the TCL QM8. Thanks for sharing!

[@bobsibert1968]

upscaling low content is horrid on that TV

[@ScottGibbs]

So few people are going to buy the X95L, wouldn't a comparison between the X93L and QM8 make more sense for actual TV buyers?

[@dbrandon4528]

Dont know if Caleb will actually read this but… I just bought the 85” TCL QM8 off of Amazon for $1399 as of 6-8-2024

[@Sunny-uk5fn]

Thanks a lot for this compare. Exact thus one i was looking for. Great that at least one person is comparing these two TVs.

[@AinSophAur31]

In 4 -5 years which tv will still be working without worry? That’s what matters most to me and my budget.

[@carlkidd752]

Your reviews and others got me to try Hisense. I'm using a 55U8G as my office PC monitor and second TV (Amazon sale $800). I also went with a Hisense 65U8H (Amazon sale $750) for my living room TV. My Jamo 5.1.2 / Denon 2700H obviously makes for "better" sound, but watching you or the news or something similar, the 65U8H is my first TV that doesn't require a soundbar to sound decent. Yes, the VA panel has restricted viewing angles, but it's tough to imagine any TV is worth the price difference. I play console games, so I actually took my X-Box into the TV store to see how each TV displayed the flames from Oblivion*. LG won hands down. A "buy for your use case" example. When it came time to upgrade, I had moved to where physically looking at anything major was a challenge. Getting even biased opinion reviews is totally useful when making major purchases. Just take a bucket full of salt when looking at paid to review reviews (aka infomercials).

[@birdtj82]

Did u get the feel that Caleb is paid off as well??? I bought 3 Hisense Flagship panels 3 yr in a row. So i have a LOT to say than his 1 week tv review then “send off” . That NOT 1 review he present the TV even Normally. A LOT of ppl are noticing now. I thought was fluke when i got first Hisense. Then 2nd yr U8G …MY 2021 tv still LOOK matching near X93L visual. I went to store check, grab U8H last year,,,,INCKY OLED BLACK, true black. His video of course :”i dont understand it blinks” , wtf is d blink!!!! I came home played on U8G. “Turn MOTION Smooth OFF” then put on “film maker mode’ to MESS UP my U8G to make it look like trash. Then suddenly TADA. It is mushy and blinks. This year when HE put that U8K video up. ( i already checked 75” U8K in store they had in store display where i am at ) . I was cringing when he had video up. And at that U8K vs Qm8 video …..last sentence of video, of course :” if u dont like any of this 2 tv, welcome to buy Sony X90L”---infomercial !! When i saw this Qm8 vs X95L. I was like “double cringe.” I knew what he’s doing. He is disgrace for TV review industry online . I am sure he’s not first wont be last. There bunch ppl doing it.

[@damontroch4765]

​@@birdtj82yeah I feel they Over Promote Hisense and TCL. Because my U8H is dogshit compared to my X90K.

[@paulcarlin5181]

I think there was a point to the review and if someone is bright enough, they know the X95L is the better TV except for price. I feel many are curious how big of a gap that is though. People are judging the U8k and TCLQM8 too hard. It can only do so much for 1299-1399 for a 75 inch. I will be ecstatic if it lasts me 5 years. @@birdtj82

[@arunbelur6759]

Love this format. Thanks for all your reviews and the hard work you and your team put in. I absolutely love your channel. Learnt a lot from you. A recommendation for a new format would be comparison when it comes to watching sports and gaming. Most people buy a big ass TV just for sports - Football, NBA, Soccer, Tennis etc. And there are a ton of people including me who love gaming. So seeing how these TVs - 55" and up - perform primarily for these 2 categories would be brilliant.

[@dhowting]

I'm a TCL fan BUT I think the DETAIL in the Sony is better displayed because it isn't washed out by the brightness. ...BUUUUUUUT... I'd still probably save some $$$ and buy the TCL

[@stevesantjer3077]

Yes on the video diving deeper into the Google TV implementations. And, what happen’s when one runs setup on a Sony without ‘Smart TV”, an option presented at the start of setup.

[@aznhandles]

I feel bad for US get the second tier remote without backlit buttons for the X95L. Whereas Europeans get the Master Series version remote + 65 & 75 option! The marketing confusion is real!

[@mrchiledonut]

This is mostly off-topic, the only part that isn't is it's about TCL and Roku. I haven't upgraded my TV from the 2018 TCL R617, and I feel they've just made the biggest update since I've had it. You can now change every setting in the TV menus as opposed to having to deal with the Roku app. So gamma, noise reduction, and color space are all available to customize there which makes it a whole lot more convenient.

[@nostrx450]

That’s the same TV I have! If you end up making an upgrade, please comment and let me know how much better a new TV is!

[@richiejrich]

Digital trends should provide total coverage of the HDTV shootout. The VE shootout FOR YEARS has had the most ridiculously low budget/low quality coverage both during the live stream as well as summarizations and post event coverage. I would love to have a single place to get all the interesting talks and key takeaways from the VE HDTV shootout. Hopefully, Mr Zohn gets behind this.

[@Kalistas_82]

got my X95L roughly a month now + HT-A7000 Soundbar, and with that combo the eArc HDMI Port "Problem" is gone. Got my PS5/XBox plugged in to the soundbar and from there into the eArc HDMI Port - works perfectly

[@spencer8373]

Glad to hear you've got it working well now. It's weird the eArc being on one of the HDMI 2.1 ports was listed as a negative. For users with an AV receiver (or soundbar) that want both audio and full bandwidth for video (4k 120) the eArc port needs to be on the HDMI 2.1. If it's on a 2.0 port you'll have to choose between full video quality or eArc.

[@giorgigobejishvili5244]

the redness on 4K content is my TCLs problem too i thought it was my unit, but turns out its a overall software problem i hope they will fix it

[@SirThomasHarber]

I would have rather seen the Sony compared to the Hisense U8K (75").

[@birdtj82]

He hates Hisense. He is like called out by ppl for 3 yrs now by --false presenting Hisense. I am REALLY interested what he will do to UX. I can even already do mock version now :”I was surprised to notice…… I don’t understand what’s up with that. “ “oh sometimes it does …..which is strange”…..” its over all an amazing TV . It is very expensive. IF u feel like go for safe route, u are welcome to get SONY X95L” 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Hisense trash talking n typical Narritive making i can literally copy him n i am not a white guy. Lol.

[@3184Patrick]

one thing i have found over the years is its always worth getting the better tv. My Hitachi rear projection wide screen, Panasonic VT (or was it GT) Plasma lasted me so long and gave amazing performance. Hell i still have my panasonic plasma and it still looks awesome. I bought a used lower end Sony last year 75x800h and its ok but its not as amazing. when you think of how many hours of your life are spent looking at a tv even $5k is damn cheap compared to the $50k we spend on cars that we drive for 30 minutes a day on average. Get the better tv and enjoy it for longer!

[@docwho10th88]

I have a Panny plasma...but no...My current Sony blows it away. The Panny was great back in the day but not in these times.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

Lol, I just made the same argument responding to a guy who said 'big money' for Sony X95L. There are different types of people with different values associated with things, some would spend on cars, some on wines, some on holiday trips, some on smartphones, then why some people can't spend some money on best TV display unit.

[@paulcarlin5181]

You have a point, but man I wish I only drove 30 minutes a day. From various different repair guys I talk to at my job from TV's, washer dryers, AC units, etc. gone are the days of the 10 year plus anything electrical. Sure you could get lucky, but that will be the exception, not the rule. It use to be the opposite. SInce this is a Sony thread mainly, the biggest knock from the guys that fix stuff is the compatibility issues with other brands sound products. Sony makes it tough to go outside their ecosystem especially for a more advanced sound system.

[@stevengower]

Love my TCL qm8 and I came exclusively from Sony

[@brealll9647]

Same here and I love my QM8. No blooming whatsoever

[@TS-uy9we]

In Germany we get two remotes - one sleek without number pad, but BACKLIT (😉) and a larger one with number pad (not backlit)…

[@Q_QQ_Q]

Expensive as well

[@Cody_Codi_Code]

I like the new versus format. Always enjoy your reviews, expertise, and how you’re able to describe/explain clearly.

[@Boostlagg]

Considering i paid 1800 for the 85inch qm8 and sony costs nearly 2500 more, i can live with the slight downgrade.

[@marknewman2683]

I'm thinking that a better comparison for the tcl qm8 would be the Sony x 93 l what say u in 65 inch

[@Ginger30161]

You can use the money saved with the TCL to get the Nakamichi Dragon

[@Notgenerationalwealth]

How reliable is the TCL, ive had my samsung for 10 years and it still works fine.

[@BaliLife-lr7dl]

I just purchased a 75" TV in Indonesia. I wanted a Sony but the Sony, LG, and Samsung only have a 1 year warranty here vs TCL which has a 3 year warranty. Keep in mind that even with a voltage regulator here, it's hard on TVs. The warranty swayed me over to the TCL.

[@SmokinBuddha]

Which one would you choose? TCL QM850G 85" or TCL QM851G 75"?

[@stevedom1]

yes i have tcl qm8 for $550 from tesco lotus Thailand purchased 3 days ago! Once you have calibrated the crightness contrast saturatioetc the picure is fantastic! I also found myself sitting about 3 .5 metres away for best result.

[@jge5443]

Had my X95L for a few weeks now and very impressed with the picture quality whether upscaling or native 4k. I got mine with a 25% discount which amounted to £700 off which made the purchase a lot more palatable.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

I'm considering X95L but if someone can tell there's no day and night difference between X95L and X90L, I think X90L would be a better value buy, what do you say?

[@keithzastrow]

​@Sas-wk9lj I'd say get the Samsung QN90C in 85" instead which is what I'm doing.

[@Sas-wk9lj]

@@keithzastrow I'd listen to you if I didn't already go for X95L. Got carried away with the hype.

[@Sunny-uk5fn]

Samsung is rubbsih. Until today they are not able to get dolby vision and on top the colours are to extreme

[@keithzastrow]

@@Sunny-uk5fn lol NO ONE can tell the difference between Dolby Vision and HDR10+. Non issue. Samsung is absolutely the best bang for the buck especially with their quality. I'm buying their QN90C in 85" this year. Also you are factually incorrect about your color statement. Let me guess....you're basing that on the demo mode you saw in the store?

[@samirshah5411]

seriously, considering pulling the trigger on the 98” QM8 tempted to wait to see what the QM9 offers next year, I want it for my Xbox series X & PS5. I got a 77” LG C1 for our master bedroom but my wife is always watching Bravo TV on it so I can never game on it. Rather splurge on a bigger TV for the living room where I can leave all 3 consoles and game with the kids.

[@JaredSchumaier]

Is the Sony X90L better than the TCL QM8? Trying to decide between the two

[@birdtj82]

X90L has very noticeable blooming. Skip skip skip. Qm8 n U8K both no blooming to the naked eyes.

[@Joker-TMF]

Why I don’t see blooming on your tv but my x93l if full blooming around all bright objects this is terrible.

[@IntotheFurther.]

That’s because the X93L IS NOT the X95L.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

U could have gotten Hisense U8K looks almost identical to SONY x95L. Like 98% close . Or TCL Qm8. Would have been almost like no blooming. U have to tweak it once u get home . X93L has mild blooming. Not that bad tho. U have to tweak it

[@gcash2074]

Compare the X95L against X93L. Those are the ones I am deciding on.

[@ChristianKrogh-Denmark]

I’m mindblown, that you haven’t got a hold of Sony’s A95L for review yet :-)

[@____HEISENBERG____]

I've always preferred brighter screen. I own this TCL (QM851G) and i love gaming on it.

[@stevewright1539]

Hopefully the TV’s at the shootout will be calibrated on judged on more than just brightness and “specular highlights”!

[@g.s.3389]

I bought the TCL yesterday before watching your video :)

[@RealLifeTech187]

As most people use the built-in apps you should judge TVs based on their performance using those in my opinion. But you should more often address that issue so it gets fixed. 👍

[@Monarch15w]

From what I saw on my iPad Pro in the image testes liked the Sony better it looked less overdone. Picture to me looked better on the Sony with less overbite areas like in the sky on the mountain scenes.

[@ps4games164]

Caleb please do X95L vs Z9K. People want to see the comparison. Even if X95L is downgrade we can't deny that the 65X95L in Europe is great deal for 2600 euros. By comparison we would get just 55A90J for that price in 2021. Now we get much more for inflated 2600 euros. We have to give credit to Sony for that but I'm sad the Z series is discontinued beast.

[@chrishyde161]

Excellent content as always!! The off axis kills the TCL for me. If you are getting a TV this big- you probably want to have friends over to enjoy it. I'm not that cozy with all my friends. LOL. I guess I'm just old but 5K for a top of the line 85" seems like a smokin deal to me!

[@dmitryrodionov2386]

I still don't understand the X95L, the quality is very good, but for €2.8k isn't it just better to get an Oled? Even Sony models cost around that price and if you want to save some money, there are even Samsung and LG models starting from €1.8k! Edit: Oh WAIT, I just saw the C3 65 inch go in sale for €1.5k that's basically half the price of the X95L for one of the best tvs out there, not just lcds....

[@LeezahB]

Is the x95L’s remote not backlit, unlike the A95K’s remote?

[@CastroVibes]

My X95L has the SONY RMF-TX910U remote and it has automatic backlight. I has definitely backlight.

[@Snackdance]

It’s tough to judge from my viewing equipment (an iPad) and your recording equipment, but MAN does the QM8 highlights look blown out in almost every example in your video compared to the Sony’s. You keep on saying “the Sony is slightly better but the QM8 is still very good,” but from where I’m looking it doesn’t even look close. Tons of examples, but check out that South Park screen shot, or the sunrise video. The bright areas are completely blown out white while the Sony’s looks accurate. Are you actually seeing that too, or the limits of the recording/KZbin, etc.?

[@LeezahB]

I agree with you. I actually watched on my iPhone, on my laptop and on my A95K TV and from my vantage point, they don’t look close to me either.

[@davidvincent3853]

Excellent video comparison....! Please, "Streaming Devices" 🙏

[@Brahmeisterr]

Ordered 65" x95l for my mom for xmas, her tv is like 10-11 years old, can't wait! Hope the panel isn't horrible in EU.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

I thought x95L only come in 85”. When did they realase the 65”? Do u mean A95L?

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Oops my bad u ar in EU. Sorry about that. :) yeah they only have 85” in USA

[@skshi439]

Just bought 98 inch TCL QM8. The quality and picture quality is great. If you can go bigger tv, go bigger.

[@birdtj82]

Yeah his videos are rigged. Objective n intentional.

[@rct8884]

I need a 98" and considering the QM8

[@birdtj82]

@@rct8884 or U8K 100” . I heard it just released in USA or something. I am all for U8K n Qm8 for the quality. Caleb’s videos are Rigged. I have bought 3 Hisense Flagship. NONE of them 3 yr in a row look like ANY of them in his H9G U8G U8H videos , neither does the U8K (i checked 75” in store with legit display) . I can back UP Quantum TV, his Reviews are 100% 10000% accurate. From the 3 Hisense TVS i bought, then the Samsung S95B S95C etc I have seen in diff stores etc. they JUST 100% match the --at home end result. Skip Caleb’s video now . I find his videos so in accurate n actually very disturbing when u own the panel WATCHING the review on the PANEL that he’s doing the Review for. N literally the Actual panel at home does NOT look like what looks like in his video. It’s very disturbing unsettling feeling.

[@paulcarlin5181]

Do you really think the TCL QM8 is better than the Sony X95L? @@birdtj82

[@Sunny-uk5fn]

No not for the Demo Mode. I am working with it. Of course it is a question of money too. But Samsung is not the best if money is regardless.

[@jbones1453]

Maybe you posted a video for it already but would love to see the TCL against a comparably priced Sony. Or something a little closer. Great video though

[@zackwheat5770]

Have you used the Apple TV’s “calibration” on either TV, to see if it makes “out of the box” pictures better?

[@leedsumitedkennethbrown3456]

Caleb just bought the Sony X95L 65inch in Costcos cost £1749.99 on line price In store it’s £1679.99 off was for a month and ends Friday great deal agree

[@olternaut]

For low bit rate image processing this is a bit confusing. I thought the TCL QM8 and Q7 didn't have great image processing from other reviews. Now apparently it isn't bad. I'm really trying to figure out if it's the Hisense U8K or TCL QM8 I should be getting and it's not an easy decision!

[@chembsajin5235]

Did you get one?

[@olternaut]

@@chembsajin5235 No. Unfortunately the purchase will have to wait a few months. As a consolation prize I got a 4TB WD_Black ssd and a Nuphy air75 v2 keyboard. They will have to hold me for now.

[@paulcarlin5181]

It's not easy. I went ahead with the U8K 75 inch, since according to all reviews, it upscales better (we love 80's and 90's movies too), overall better sound, plus the ATSC 3.0 Tuner. We live in a city that utilizes that technology, plus a free video games and 100 bucks less. By most reviews, one turns down the brightness on the TCL, why not just get a TV that is a little less bright? What did you end up doing?

[@olternaut]

I ended up not getting anything. I went to a store to see both TVs you mentioned. And to my surprise the 75 inches on either TV (U8K and QM8) didn't impress me as much as the 85 inch models nearby. Now I'm wondering if 85 inches is the way to go. I missed my Black Friday window. @@paulcarlin5181

[@MadLadsAnonymous]

Sony X95L vs HiSense UX, please!

[@damegamino83]

Love my TCL TV! Only thing I can get get over is how less colorful and dim Dolby Vision is on the QM8. Is using a streaming stick like the Apple TV only way to fix this?

[@Hi-levels]

It is peobably more accurate and less vivid. You are used to syntethic vivid colors. Samsung is infamous for this.. . And many people prefer vivid colors despite they are not what the film maker intended to in color grading.

[@iandeleon8132]

So should I be using a fire tv or Apple TV with my qm8 instead of the integrated google tv?

[@iandeleon8132]

After trying my Fire TV Cube on the QM8, I found yes, the QM8 is more red than the picture from the Fire TV Cube, but not so much that I should switch. Especially since the Fire TV Cube also didn’t seem as bright as the QM8.

[@ugeshkumar91]

I imagined this would be a bloodbath for TCL and it was 😅

[@kkostadinof]

As will be the situation with your wallet thickness.

[@darkcamo77]

How much different would the Hisense U8K be against the A95L?

[@AaronMcFarland]

Weirdly the Sony set is out stock everywhere, including Sony's site.

[@randolphblack2554]

I like this comparison and I agree with your logic and choice, Caleb. Keep up the great work 👍

[@fab9223]

I actually appreciate this kind of comparison. Thanks

[@jamiedewberry6702]

Yes do a discussion on built in apps vs Apple TV vs googleTV vs Firestick vs xbox, IE several. I have always wondered if you compared several of the same movies on several different apps which has the best quality. Which app is closer to a 4k blu-ray and so on. Its a lot of options but would be great to see.

[@Beautyandbeastdogue]

Hi Caleb , Hope you can help me to decide, I haven't had a new TV since 2011 I had an old 55" Samsung UN60ES8000 for a long time, it was savagely killed by the hands of an 11 year old boy that will be treated like an adult, well Im looking to get a new TV but is so hard so I have these models in mind but don't know which one is better between Q7, U7K, U8K, QM8 or a X9OL, we like to see Movies, Shows, Soccer, and Play PS, hope you can help me thank you.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Omg,,,did u get that panel? U must paid like $5000 for that panel back then!!! That panel is crazy.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

That Samsung TV u had was --Designed n PRODUCED by SHARP-AQUOS . That year all LED 100% LED SONY , LG, Samsung…….100% of LED including Flagship are RPRODUCED by SHARP n SHARP AQUOS. If u are used to that SHARP produced Samsung tv, u willl NOT like ANY SONY. U will NOT like it. Your tv was VERY premium . It has much better color than SONY. SoNY has pestle type of color your Samsung (SHARP AQUOS gut) will have very vibrant color. U better off stick with Hisense/Samsung panels. Hisense Bought SHARP Tv in 2014, n SHARP bought itself back. N Hisense still hold a lot of patterns that SHARP has. And Hisense source their mini LED panels d same place as Samsung. :) :) Yeah,,,it was strange i know. 2010 2011 100% LED, including Flagship LED, from SONY,LG,Samsung 100% designed/produced by SHARP. In large quantity n just put logo on it. So ALL SONY Bravia flagship are Sharp Aquos, all Samsung flagship 3D tv are SHARP Aquos, all LG flagship SHARP Aquos , then the lower tier were SHarp direct LED. What u had is SHARP-X-Led Ultra . Which is their Aquos …..edge lit BACK LIT LED. Which is VERY similar to Samsung QLED technology. That sharp had Back lit with edge lit, then using Front panel to control the color and brightness. YOUR TV has 2 panels layered together n most likely has : Dynamic contrast ratio like 2,000,000. That’s why thoes 2013-2017 SONY LG ‘s LED tv look like Dog SH****** cuz their own LED tv sucks that SHARP had patterns . As COOPING , LG invented OLED very dim n low color volume . SONY did the same thing to SHARP ,,now they did to LG. That’s they just Make LG Make SONY panels, or make LG produce OLED part of SONY panels , put SONY label on it. IF u had that Samsugn premium Back Lit self emitting 3D HD LED from 2011. U will NOT like x90L. Cuz your tv is definitely GLOSSY. SONY X90L has matte tint, it’s really ….BAD to look at . Coming from that 2011 3D Samsung panel thats like what 240hz (sharp Aquos gut), d closest color to that is U8K . I did my upgrade 3.5 yrs ago. So sad, then within minutes,,,,”why haven’t I upgraded a year earlier “ lol. EVERYthing was BETTER . The X90L, u will NOT like it coming from VERY premium glossy panel, regardless of the XR clear, u will find it very UN Clear. It has significant worse blooming than U8K n Qm8. It also has weird magenta tint , if u have SHARP Samsung tv,,,u will see the ugly color of SONY pestle off looking thing weird. 😮 but if ppl always had Sony , they will not notice nothing.

[@bobsibert1968]

The QM8 and Q7 have absolutely horrid upscaling of low content, broadcast, 480p etc.. Which is super important unless all you do is watch 4k blu rays!!

[@Senrab46]

Great comparison review imo. These are very helpful to novices like me still using 11yo sony kdl bravias. Especially if compared entry and mid level priced 4k tvs. Look forward to more great content 🐈👍

[@CH-XC2011]

Love my 75QM8. Especially for $1,800 i paid

[@Comics.Games.Kickspodcast]

Paid $2100 for my 85" QM8...just working on the picture settings.

[@tomlarkin562]

Getting my 65QM8 next week. Currently it's priced in black Friday sale of only $898.

[@Comics.Games.Kickspodcast]

@@tomlarkin562 I wouldn't mind buying a 65" for one of my guest rooms but if I did that my guest may never leave lol

[@DrakonR]

Seriously happy with my 85" X95K, the L is a touch above that, and the M should be even better with Sony focusing more on miniLED tvs.

[@rodcarnochan8452]

You ARE AWESOME by the way !! Thank you for your wonderful research ! You’re very skillful!

[@Crowleywild]

Was thinking about getting another OLED this year, but I think im going with the X95L 85" now for sure.

[@jrerobert]

Does the apple tv helps the QM8 processing sharness?

[@nathandaniels4823]

Excellent, Caleb! More like this, please!

[@LeezahB]

Caleb, great comparison of two disparate TVs in terms of class and budget! Great format! Not surprisingly to me, in the most important areas, it was the Sony that did indeed trounce the TCL, and not just in number of categories, but also how much better the Sony is within many of the categories. Especially of note, even though the TCL is brighter, the Sony just looked so much better. I agreed with you emphatically on most subjects, until you brought up the value subject. Cost is just one component of value. That is the problem with comparing these two TVs. I personally would not be buying the X95L because 85 inches is just too large for my space, and that's the only size offered in the US. Does that mean that I would pick the smaller screen QM8? No! The value of picture quality, motion processing, best use of brightness (not necessarily the brightness itself), upscaling, off axis viewing and accuracy are more important to me than budgetary value. But I really do hear what you are saying. It's just that if I were looking at a Sony, it's clear that budget is not my primary consideration. If I were considering a mid-level, budget conscious TCL, I certainly would not be looking at Sony's flagship mini-LED TV. Yes, I understand you did say from the start that this was possibly an unfair comparison, and I was happy to go there with you. But I have to diverge when you conclude by recommending the TCL. I have so much respect for you and admire you greatly, but I just wanted to offer an opposing view in what I hope is a kind and gentle way. I hope you understand.

[@LeezahB]

After mulling over my comment all day, I feel remiss in not saying this: Even though I didn't see quite eye to eye with your conclusion that the QM8 was a better value, I feel so clearly that you provided all the information in your thorough review for the viewer to come to their own conclusion. This is why you are such a great reviewer! I remember I started watching you late last year, when I was in the market for a new TV, and one of the first comparisons I watched was your comparison of the A95K and the S95B. In that video, you ultimately chose the S95B because even though the A95K was slightly better, you felt that the S95B was a better value in terms of price. Your review was so thorough and honest, I was able to make an informed decision, even though it didn't exactly coincide with your conclusion. Great job, Caleb! Love, Leezah❤🥰 P.S. Your shelf looks a little bare without an album cover! 😏

[@Sas-wk9lj]

@@LeezahB sometimes I get a feeling if you're one of those chatGPT kind of bot, 😂

[@LeezahB]

@@Sas-wk9lj like I am not real?

[@LeezahB]

Interesting to note that in my comments in your QM8 review several months ago, I actually mentioned that maybe you could compare these two! Well you did! And now I am questioning why! Because they are both 85 inch mini LEDs! That’s why!!🥰

[@Jev55]

Unpopular opinion: I want my tv to just be a display. I don't want any "apps" on my tv.

[@bravosierra2447]

I’ve got a Sony 75”KXD & it is so difficult to use due to the apps loaded onto it. Even with a software update it’s only marginally better.

[@XenoCake]

10,000%!

[@TheRedGlint4427]

Agreed. 90% of people use a streaming device of some kind anyway. Not to mention if you're buying a high end TV you're wasting potential if you aren't using a 4k blu ray player anyway.

[@7676tbrown]

Agree, start a monitor line up, still include speakers. Would be great

[@BriBo24x7]

This is not an unpopular opinion, most people I know feel the same way. Just FYI, I recently bought a Sony X90L and when you turn it on for the first time, it has an option to set it up as a “basic” display, with no smart features enabled. It’s about freak’n time these manufacturers figure that out!!

[@Paul-zo9sg]

Thanks for the great video! Im on the fence of tcl 755 98``, 85X95L (at the same price) or premium increase for the new Bravia 9 85``. I do like better picture and what Sony got to offer. But will I miss it? I still love my old Panasonic 65 inch - 8 years old - amazing picture. Sure new TCL (at 98`) wont disappoint?

[@jrebollogspr]

I keep watching all your videos about tv and was wondering between the A95L and X95L which tv do you recommend?