Sonya vs Deen - Which to Choose? Fire Emblem Echoes Shadows of Valentia

[@zood7677]

others: actually look at and care about stats before deciding which character to recruit me: g i r l h o t

[@billmarshall2642]

Me was boy hot

[@MrSasukeSusanoo]

I was: Hey I'd like to have another mage *Goes to fight mage to recruit her* Why did I get the mercenary? *Some maps later* I don't regret this mistake, it was destiny, Deen is cool

[@Pandanananananananan]

Me: g i r l a n d b o y h o t! My biggest dilemma 😔

[@blazikematheus]

Sonya might be a hot witch, but Deen's redesign is god tier, I'm picking him

[@lucky_crit]

They both look great, so I have to bare minimum do two playthroughs ,:)

[@bravescholarlys1127]

Lucky Crit yeah

[@theninjasticcheetah8874]

ZRKyurem Deen looks like Jakob and orochi had a purple haired Dwyer

[@eltacogato3804]

definitely picking deen at first

[@DivineHyperion]

Deen is for edgelords.

[@lucky_crit]

*This episode needs little bit of an update.* After the game launched we discovered that the Brave Sword actually does retain its original Gaiden effect, basically being like a Killing Edge. For some reason before the game came out I had been led to believe that it would be updated to the series' standard, however this was not the case. Also, Deen will drop his weapon upon his death, so either way you'll get his Brave Sword. will get both of the characters' weapons regardless of who you choose, since they will either come with the weapon or will drop it once you kill them on the battlefield. Make sure the one whose map you go to (to fight and kill them) IS NOT THE ONE YOU WANT. Thanks for watching, guys!

[@shaginus]

This is something more serious than Choosing Starter in Pokemon Thanks for the vids

[@lucky_crit]

Glad you like them, thanks so much for tuning in :)

[@bravescholarlys1127]

Sonya is an interesting character since she's tied to a bunch of important major characters in the story plus her ending is very interesting plus she's a fantastic mage so I pick her easily! Also I'm excited for Celica in heroes I'll try to get her early if possible or when release fully she's one my favorite female lord to Lyn then Eirika

[@genobeamandflash92]

Kinu FoxySpirit I wonder what color she'll be( I hope green or red)

[@FantasticDreamer98]

genobeamandflash92 Hopefully green

[@braydenpianoman]

I have a feeling it was semi-confirmed in some accidental release that she'll be red.

[@i__3496]

I pulled her in the ongoing japanese Omikuji event on a red day, so I think she's going to be a red unit.

[@sonofjenova6172]

it's not really confirmed just leaked

[@baileyfish8466]

just fyi, brave sword in echoes isnt like fates brave sword. it acts how it is in gaiden

[@lucky_crit]

Oh man, you're absolutely right, they even kept its original Gaiden attributes! Yeesh. Missed that. Thanks for the heads up.

[@baileyfish8466]

Lucky Crit no problem!

[@baileyfish8466]

Thatguy Line In Gaiden and Echoes its a high crit weapon instead of a doubling weapon.

[@baileyfish8466]

Thatguy Line Personally I go with Deen because hes a beast and my favoritr redesign, but Sonia will get work done

[@protoplasm-1]

Bailey Fish It's more like the killing edge.

[@sergior8992]

skip to 2:13 to skip the ad

[@wyatt3740]

Sonya always did seem like a more human version of a witch, but when I realized that she had rewarp and entrap, I had to stop and think about what she had done to become so powerful without giving her soul to Duma

[@lucky_crit]

That's a really great question!

[@Mangs1337]

I don't think I could give you an unbiased answer on this.

[@pyrenagi]

Mangs if Sonya was blonde, I think you would pick her faster than Louise in your fe7 randomi... Oh... wait...

[@NowiGreen]

I can, Dread fighter is best class :P

[@PeteringYT]

My minds telling me Deen, BUT MY BODY! My body's telling me Sonya.

[@nicholaszetterman565]

I didn’t know that you recruited the other so I ended up fighting Sonya and I got played

[@Crumble_n_use]

My body's telling me Deen Sonya hot but Deen God damn

[@michaeldean2877]

@@nicholaszetterman565 me to 😥

[@Matsuna13]

They’re both great characters to recruit. I have Sonya in my first file and Deen in my second file.

[@cloudmv15]

I really don't like when a game forces you to pick between 2 playable characters, I hated in other games and I hate it here. But between the two of them I like Deen best

[@jhc1013]

Yeah, picking between anything is horrible. Especially in FE.

[@eduardobustamante4749]

@@jhc1013 and sacrificing characters also sucks

[@inigo3474]

Huh...you look exactly like your art work thats used in the videos. Don't know why I thought otherwise, but good to see that you stayed extremely faithful to your IRL "design"

[@lucky_crit]

Yeah I always found it really weird when people have cartoon versions of themselves that look nothing like them, so when I made this I stayed completely accurate :)

[@lucky_crit]

Just wait til Hidari does my redesign though, I'll look as badass as Deen >:)

[@jek2669]

Oh hi Lasl- I mean Inigo

[@hookerlegs106]

Sonya because she's the closest thing we can get to goth aesthetic.

[@lucky_crit]

I like how both of these characters have very purply palettes! They look great :)

[@kanenanda3300]

How about shade

[@Superluigi881]

I ultimately went with Deen and I'm glad I did. Sonya's skill set is nice but the late game is full of annoying dread fighters which she can't really do much against by herself, other than praying to milla that Excalibur crits. Meanwhile Deen can put them down solo with little fuss and being a dread fighter means he doesn't have to worry too much about being one shotted by most magic either. It is kind of sad that it leaves poor Genny without any supports though.

[@lucky_crit]

Yeah the limited supports in this game are unfortunate :(

[@Superluigi881]

Yeah. Gunny drew the shortest straw in a batch where none of them were very long. It sucks for the people who only get one support. Most at least get two but not only does Genny only get one support but it's with Sonya who's an optional unit, meanwhile Deen only supports with Jesse who still gets a support with Saber.

[@Matsuna13]

I am having Deen in my second file. I do agree that Genny has no supports which is sad when you choose Deen.

[@morcatna4767]

Both Character Portraits look amazing! God I love Hidari's work! Echoes....

[@VonFirflirch]

It's so great, it makes the other style look fairly bland in my opinion x)

[@Ajia_No_Envy]

8:15 “Her other offensive spells still should be good enough though” **misses attack**

[@stickfigure8416]

I hate having to choose between units. It pissed me off in Shadow Dragon and it sure pissed me off in Gaiden. Shit.

[@lucky_crit]

It makes more of a reason to do two playthroughs. I think it's kinda fun.

[@stickfigure8416]

Instead I would actually want to see a game with branching paths. Not like Fates where you basically make one choice in the entire game, but a game where you progress through different outcomes depending not only on on-the-spot decisions, but also on the player's prowess and strategy during the gameplay segments itself, fulfilling secondary objectives, triggering event flags and the like. But making me kill one potential ally just to get another kind of makes me feel like a dick, tbh

[@sol9742]

+StickFigure You probably would enjoy SMT: Devil Survivor series then. It got branching story routes and alternate scenario/battle depending which characters live and die.

[@DragoonBB]

Sol Luna Yeah but you literally had to be a douchebag and miss the time to save them which the game gives you plenty of.XD

[@veronis]

I accidentally killed Sonya because I thought you had to go on her path to recruit her. I'm stuck with Deen now but he's cool I guess

[@lucky_crit]

Next time through just make sure to kill Deen, that's what will be fun though, now you can do two different playthroughs and make all the villagers different, too!

[@Brogers789]

+blums Same thing happened to me, except I wanted to recruit Deen over Sonya. Which sucks because I don't plan on doing a second playthrough due to all the grinding you have to do.

[@cesiperez8789]

I felt this and immediately felt horrible to the point I deleted my game files… I should’ve come here sooner ;;-,,

[@crossblake2679]

Deen looks edgy as fuck and I simply cannot resist picking him.

[@mghegotagun]

Wish i could have them both. Dean looks badass, but I love the look of both of their growths. Very Oboro-esque, aka, almost impossible to be bad ever.

[@lordtullus9942]

Deen. Sonia is better, and has more Story Relevance, but Deen is Freaking badass, and I'm choosing him instead of sonia. Why choose sonia, anyway? You already have the master of mages himself - BOEY. Echoes

[@kingsaul754]

Lord Tullus 9 [Puffy Sprinkles] Deen redesign is best redesign.

[@stickfigure8416]

A mage-branch or a mercenary-branch unit? Celica already gets a boatload of both in her route

[@ablastno41]

Ok but Deen is significantly better than Sonia due to how Sonia never promotes, and even then Celica is the only relevant mage on her route after ch2

[@lordtullus9942]

Wrong - Sonia, like every female mage, promotes at level 20. At least in Gaiden. Boey and/or may are slightly relevent in chapter 3, boey even more when you train him.

[@Debinhamineira31]

Lord Tullus 9 [Puffy Sprinkles] actually Male mages promote at level 12 and female mages promote at level 14

[@davidhill8565]

Mila’s statue advises that you must have an Archer and a Mage in your party. If you want to pick Sonya, make Atlas a Mercenary. If you want to pick Deen, make Atlas a Mage.

[@GSmith624]

somehow have watched like 30 videos by you guys, but just realized that I still haven't subbed yet, I am now though. you guys are dope

[@lucky_crit]

Welcome aboard, really glad you enjoy the videos :)

[@lucariotime890]

Deen... Because Dwyer

[@TheJayeagle]

Drunk Lucario That Do Stupid Sh*t On The Internet He looks more like a certain outlaw.

[@docturbright495]

He kinda looks like priam

[@goldensucc126]

Dia

[@astral_paladin6558]

Sonya is the correct answer since she has a very wholesome support convo with Genny

[@lucky_crit]

It's definitely a consideration

[@ZerkMonsterHunter]

Sonya obviously, I mean... Woah.

[@ZerkMonsterHunter]

also we have the same favorite FE, sacred Stones represent!

[@D.Dragon]

Don't you have the FE Heroes Lyn redesign for that?

[@enclinker7951]

I got Sonya for her supports with Genny. I mean like seriously, I dubbed Sonya "Team mom" in my playthrough

[@richiedraws5898]

I'm so glad I found this channel the day before the game is released.

[@geoffreyperrin4347]

I love how the villagers work, but I'm sad that there's no branching class changes. I used to love replaying just to see what it would be like for an axe wielder to go berserk instead of pirate, or whatever the options were. Also, I was sad to realize that axes weren't available to the player, meaning some of the sword users could have been axe users, but i understand that they wanted to be somewhat true to the original in some areas

[@mustabindawind]

Sonya learns Excalibur....so she's Sonya Blade confirmed

[@megakoopa2361]

I prefer Sonya because she's hot, but Deen is better because of two words "Dread Fighter".

[@DragoonBB]

Mega Koopa X The only class that doesn't faint at magic.

[@Mooniowo]

i made my atlas archer and DAMN he carried hard

[@lucky_crit]

Nice to hear! Glad he found a good spot in your lineup.

[@Florelea]

I just wanted to say thank you and good job in this video. I bought the game a few days ago, and tend to go into games like this blind as a bat, not really knowing or caring about growths and going off of what i feel like at the moment. When your villager video popped up in my recommendeds I was skeptic but curious, expecting a video stating what is the "absolute best" for each character purely based on stats. I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong. Your videos are informative without being spoiler heavy, and you give facts and advice in an unbiased way. I'll be using the things i learned from you for my next, actually planned play through :) Keep up the good work and thanks!

[@lucky_crit]

+Sacredangel Wow thank you for the compliments. I'm really glad you liked the videos and found them helpful. Thank you so much for tuning in and I'm also really glad you're enjoying Echoes. Stay tuned for more :)

[@seanc325]

I find it nice how you make an effort to respond to comments

[@lucky_crit]

I hate it when big youtubers don't even try. People took time out of their days to watch your content. It's the least you can do to at least have a conversation. Anyway, that's how we feel here so we'll always be doing our best to get to a lot of the comments!

[@seanc325]

I got a heart I feel special

[@Ocsttiac]

In OG Gaiden, Sonya was probably the better choice. The only good Mages you had were Mae and Celica; Boey sucked ass. Sonya came in with pretty solid bases, growths and a very impressive spell list. Meanwhile for Mercenaries/Myrmidons, you had Saber, Kamui and Jesse, all three of which were decent. You didn't need a fourth one in the form of Deen. On top of that, beating Deen's group is way easier than beating Sonya's group. However, since Boey has been buffed and Sonya has been _significantly_ nerfed, the choice is far more balanced.

[@MrMarinus18]

5:10 In Gaiden and Echoes you don't have a magic stat so swords also boosts your magic. So the holy sword gives both +3 magic attack and passive heal.

[@joojishibuki]

no mater how much i'd like try out that app FE Heroes has taken up so much space that there's nothing left i could delete to make space for that..

[@lucky_crit]

Fire Emblem Heroes is a great game, but yeah it's definitely huge. No worries man :) (Are you team iPhone? They really screw everyone with those low storage models...)

[@byrnesy6149]

I'm in my first echoes playthrough and I decided to go with deen, because he looked cool. I'm nearing the end of chapter 4 and so far he is disgustingly good. He crits nearly every round of combat, and at least for me, has been getting some pretty good growths as well. probably my 2nd best merc after saber.

[@kiwiswan1715]

I only recently decided that I want to play Fire Emblem games more strategically and these videos are super helpful! Great vid :)

[@GalacticHeroEtna]

I have to say the art in this game looks so good.

[@pf9878]

I just got Jesse and am spending time training him up, plus I want the story to be better on my first playthrough, so RIP Brave Sword. Sonja is gonna be great! Edit: OMG HE DROPS THE BRAVE SWORD YES

[@badcactus819]

Hey I just hit that subscribe button. I was introduced to you through Ghast and I'm loving your content.

[@lucky_crit]

Welcome aboard! Thanks so much for checking us out, and a big thanks to Ghast for having us on as a guest. We're really glad you're enjoying the videos :)

[@bennethbugna7795]

I chose Sonya in Gaiden and I didn't regret it. Looks like Deen's way better in Echoes especially his design. Hmmmmm... yeah, probably still choose Sonya xD

[@ablastno41]

Deen was better in Gaiden too lol

[@danielm.5078]

Actually, the Brave Sword in SoV still gives Crit+30 rather than doubling the amount of attacks a unit does per round. Think that explains the higher than normal dislike ratio (as well as the Amino plug).

[@lucky_crit]

Yep, it was pointed out to me earlier. Unfortunately I didn't see the information about it retaining its Gaiden attributes... sorry about that :|

[@joozhuah8017]

Which one is the more "canonical" option so to speak

[@lucky_crit]

Yeah that's Sonya because of her relationship to other characters in the story. Deen is kind of an outcast in that regard.

[@joozhuah8017]

+LuckyCrit +namename Thanks

[@hiraeth437]

In some manga adaption of the original game, I think Deen takes a killing blow for Sonya. I think I read it somewhere on the wiki.

[@Matsuna13]

Sonya is the one that has relations to the story especially if you fight Jedah.

[@THEKING-hu8vt]

lucky crit makes such great videos

[@lucky_crit]

*Sorry guys, had an issue and had to re-upload! Thank you so much for watching! Do you agree? Disagree? Let us know!* If you want to stay on top of the latest Fire Emblem Echoes news, along with Fire Emblem Heroes content, Pokemon GO content & more, be sure to subscribe! Twitter link: twitter.com/luckycritgaming ► What Classes Should the Villagers Be? - Fire Emblem Echoes Villager Promotion Guide: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKTSqqCdqdt1rK8 (Episode 10) ► Fire Emblem Echoes New Trailers Analysis, Maps, Enemies and Character Class Models: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHS9iJWdmqZ6atk (Episode 9)

[@kairowskiller4006]

Lucky Crit don't worry man

[@RWBn00b]

"Do you agree? Disagree?" Highly disagree with the opinion that Sonia is even remotely as good as Deen in original Gaiden. This isn't a close race, Deen absolutely demolishes Sonia. His bases are too good for her to compete with, and his class too good as well. In fact, even the "her stats will eventually get better than his isn't true(partly because her growths are too low to compete and her promotion bonuses don't really do anything to help her either). At Max Level, Sonia will most likely not even match a Level 10 promoted Max Level Deen, but just to make things worse if you are talking about maximum potential- Deen has the class that allows you to loop back to villager and then promote again. She is one of the best available combat mages in Celica's route, that is true, but thats more to do with mages in general being underwhelming. The issue is really that Dread Fighters are too good. Why bother with arguably the best mage(statwise) when you can grab a 4th Dread Fighter who will outclass her by far? Deen being the worst Dread Fighter in Celica's route doesn't really matter when the worst Dread Fighter outclasses even the best of the mages. Only Genny is really a better unit than Deen among the magic users, and that's because she's a healer with Physic, Invoke, and Dear.

[@RWBn00b]

Also, "Rewarp and Entrap aren't as good as Angel and Arrow"... The added utility absolutely means they are a strict buff. Considering the only real reason Sonia was better than the other mages last time around was that none of them had speed to save their lives(nor could they grow it), now that they do she desperately needed some utility to actually compete.

[@randallmart92]

Lucky Crit Literally one more day!!! Im hyped for the grind :). Luckily for me I at least played sacred stones and POR and RD to get a feel for the older styles but this shouldnt be a problem. Heard its just a long grind at first then it speeds up later and gets going.

[@AngelLopez-iq3sn]

Lucky Crit I would choose Deen

[@galghoul3042]

The first time I played SoV I (with much much effort) defeated Sonya. It was a tragedy, because I misunderstood the dynamic, and thought that I had to defeat Sonya to recruit her, and was so stupid as to save the game immediately after winning the battle. So, being the stubborn human I am, started the game from scratch and defeated Deen instead so I could finally recruit Sonya.

[@Eric-vg1fl]

7:19 The Brave Sword doesn't have it's normal doubling attribute, it's still a Killing Edge. you must be thinking of Alm's Royal Sword skill Double Lion, and even with that, you can't attack 4 times

[@lucky_crit]

+Eric Hagar Unfortunately at the time I made this, the game wasn't out in America and based on the research I did it seemed that they had updated it, but alas I was wrong. Sorry about that!

[@bmb7918]

Couple of queries: - I can't find anything that states that the Brave Sword in Echoes has the standard Brave / 2x attack effect, and the clip you showed had Deen being counterattacked in between strikes. Source? - The items carried in both Gaiden and Echoes are irrelevant to the choice as the one you kill drops their item for you and the one you spare joins with their item. - Small thing, but iirc Sonya using swords is usually considered a bonus because the extra damage from carrying a sword is added to her magical damage rather than any potential she has as a physical unit

[@grayshore7683]

Probably will pick Sonia for my first run then Deen the second if only bc of the sheer volume of potential mercs in celicas route and the fact that mages are the best class hands down I honestly don't get why people bitch about the ad opening? like it's a utube vid there's an option to skip ahead if ya don't want to watch it and at least it's less annoying than utubes regular ads (if you don't have adblock or are watching on mobile (like me) you probably know which ones I'm talking about) But I digress, this was a good vid that covered all that we as future players will need to know and I appreciate that my dude hope you have a good day with less uploading issues in the future

[@SonovaDragon]

So many choices! Hm. I might choose Sonia the first time. I'm excited for Echoes!

[@paytoncongrove2011]

Nice vid dude I really enjoyed it

[@inyourwifi]

really, dude? the first 2:00 of this 11 minute video was spent on an ad? you couldnt sum up what the ad does in 30 seconds?

[@alexakristina1785]

I LIVE FOR YOUR COVER OF VALENTIA HONESTLY THE ONLY CHANNEL I TRUST

[@Wulfenburg]

Sacred stones is my favorite fire emblem :D I've been enjoying Echoes so much because of how much it reminds me of The two stories from Sacred Stones.

[@Francisco1mrc]

I know the game hasn't been released but do you know how upgrading classes works? I know it's a statue this time but will it be beneficial to level the characters to max before classing up? what about the villagers should we reclass them as soon as possible?

[@ghostyens]

Francisco Sousa I think most people would agree that reclassing immediately is the best & safest option. Reclassing works differently this time around, where the unit will immediately have their stats increased to the new class' base stats (but if the stats are higher than the base stats, they stay the same). So waiting to reclass might end up being a waste of level ups, since reclassing would have increased some stats anyways. Hope this makes sense.

[@Francisco1mrc]

tsumugari yeah it does make sense thanks for the advice

[@ghostyens]

Francisco Sousa No problem

[@Yakubi]

I'm playing Gaiden right now so when I play echoes, I'll see the differences. It's a fun game but man it's crazy how such a small change like this could affect gameplay!

[@lucky_crit]

It definitely is! Thanks for watching :)

[@Bydnelg]

is there anywhere I can go to see their conversations/ character quirks? cause that's what would tilt me one way or the other.

[@ryukreya45]

2 minutes advertisement at the start without a skip button? wow thats some courage right there

[@lucky_crit]

Sorry about that, they required it for the sponsorship for this episode. I know it's not the way to go!

[@ryukreya45]

Nah dude its fine, i know how sponsorships can be. I personally don't have a huge problem with it, i just called it courageous because you were brave enough to do it even tho it could be annoying to some people. I hope that such peeps don't give you too much hate for that. And hey, showing off the funktions it has can be entertaining or interesting to some people :D

[@ArmisXDD]

I never played Gaiden before Echoes came out so when I got to that point, I thought that you had to fight whoever you wanted to keep. I wanted to use Sonya for my first playthrough (mainly because I remembered her from Heroes), so I fought her. I didn't realize that I'd actually get Deen because of it. Even then, I wasn't disappointed. Deen became my best Dread Fighter on Celica's route, and was about even with Grey, maybe even a bit better.

[@Persoon56]

Awesome video, I'm really liking your Echoes videos. I'm picking Deen, by the by. I do just want to say though, I looked through some info and I didn't find anything about the Hero Sword having any Brave Effect, but it does have an anti-flier skill. Also, one thing I found helpful is that, with minimal grinding, Deen is pretty much on-par or only slightly behind the team in terms of level, while Sonia seems pretty far behind and her high level of promotion doesn't help her, just a quick bit of two cents.

[@Rengor1997]

Thing is that in the original Gaiden, Deen was infinitely better. He had better bases, was only 5 levels from promotion to Dread Fighter and the swamps in chapter 4 hinder the usability of any mage to the point of redundant - not to mention Sonia only really had Excallibur and nothing else.

[@lucky_crit]

Fair point, and with the Dread fighter loop perhaps long-term he could be fine, but I'm not sure anyone actually cared enough to do that with him and train him back up. It's really always been a hard choice lol

[@Rengor1997]

Deen is even better now because Dread Fighters got that "Half damage from magic" skill which is even better than the higher res boost in the original AS WELL as the fact Dread Fighters now have 7 movement instead of 6. Meanwhile Sonia is stuck with 4 movement in Shrek Land, not to mention Mae is now good. Picking either won't hurt you in the long run but Deen was and is, even moreso now, strictly better.

[@Rengor1997]

Alex huh true. Makes DFs even better then.

[@samtesoro7363]

I was going to pick Sonya but I accidentally picked Deen by accident... but he was actually quite awesome and was a big help in my journey.

[@lucky_crit]

Next time around make sure to attack Deen so you can get Sonya! :)

[@ParagonFury]

Hot booby Mage vs. semi-cool dude but you also get a bunch of similar units of? Not even a contest.

[@marylouisewest426]

I chose deem the first time having no idea the difference between the two by that I mean I didn’t know you could recruit Sonya but Sonya is superior by far!

[@reissryhas]

Everyone that picks a character because they find them hot Me: Lore is hot

[@KarlM29]

I'm kind of curious I don't remember hearing what the echoes amebos special features will give players when they play this fire emblem game? Besides the ability to save our character data to the amoeba what additional bonuses will we get?

[@bubbles46853-ep9if]

0:50 May I ask what the censored thing was?

[@dabage553]

I just realized that my "Low Sales, High Raves for Echoes" Amino post was on this video lmao

[@owainthetrueexalt6723]

Ranged units will always be my first choice, especially if they target resistance. Chipping powerful enemy down without getting a counterattack before finishing them up makes some battle much easier. Especially entrap strata.

[@Destroya135]

Hello Lucky Crit I was wondering if you have any new information about the Limited Edition. I have read in an article that the FE Limited Edition will be released in some stores the day it comes out but I'm not sure if the information could be trusted or not. I have also read somewhere that the LE will be released soon in Amazon but I'm not sure if that information is true. Thank you for your videos they are really helpful and they are getting me really hyped for Echoes!

[@beegyobby576]

DREAD FIGHTER GANG DREAD FIGHTER GANG

[@glubritz]

I'm not sure if this will be my first or second run through the game, but I do have a bit of an interesting plan for this. I'll pick Dean on a route where I make Atlas a mercenary. But, I'll use the villager's fork DLC item to reclass Jesse to an archer. Since there's a rather small amount of archers in the game, it felt like a nice choice to go for. Plus, Jesse's growths feel like they'll compliment a ranged class like that a bit more, with his high luck helping for accuracy, and his lower strength being less of a problem.

[@Odang77]

Ik im late and all but I figure I might as well state my opinion; In echoes i honestly think you should choose sonya because as you stated, Atlas makes a terrific Mercenary, and with him that brings uou a total of 4 in celica's group, and you bassically have 3 mages before hand if you count celica which with recruiting sonya, not only gives you another amazing mage but balances out the Merc vs mage thing in celicas group And another thing, though this may not be as important to some, while you can get the brave sword no matter who you choose, sonya doesnt drop her shield as an enemy, and by the time you recruit one of the two you'll be having enough trouble being able to give out swords to them all, especially since mae will be able to get a sword of her own if you so choose

[@SolSpeedpaints]

i picked deen bc he's really hot and edgy ngl

[@lucky_crit]

I like his redesign, too!

[@toriku_]

I would've been fine with either unit but playing on hard classic first run, I didn't exactly feel like going through a level where I had limited movement while witches who could teleport almost freely (unless you know how to abuse their AI) could attack my units for potentially easy kills

[@dakotafisher8400]

This game looks great. I can't wait until May 19th!

[@lucky_crit]

Me neither!

[@paleface171]

I went with Deen because he gets the Dreadfighter class, and adding a Brave Sword and "A" Rank with Jesse he can usually two shot anything that is not armored in one turn.

[@chrisnazar5124]

PSA: The Brave Sword is actually just a Killing Edge: it has ~5 Mt (I can't remember), and it has about a 30% crit rate.

[@lucky_crit]

Yep, someone else just made me realize that in another comment, for some reason the research I did led me to believe they'd updated the Brave Sword to the series standard, but nope, looks like another thing they stayed faithful with. Sorry about that!

[@chrisnazar5124]

No worries! I only made the comment just to let other players know, so they could have better judgement with choosing the character they want.

[@miguel_H.C]

I prefer A LOT more Deen´s desing than Sonya´s, but I think that, in my first walktrought, I will pick Sonya, beacouse of my army´s strategy (I will make Atlas a Mercenary too XD) But this video has thanked me a lot to pick up my units this time, thank you a lot! (Sorry if there are grammatical or ortografical errors, I´m not english úwù)

[@taleswar]

7:15 This right here. Can someone check to see if this is true? I have the game, and it still has a similar description to what a killing edge would have, "a sword likely to crit". If I remember correctly, brave sword lets you attack twice consecutively, but even in the video by Linkmstr, you can see that the enemy retaliated before deen attacked a second time. I even went as far as to see the combat skills you can acquire from echoes' brave sword, but the 2 skills you'd get is flyer effectiveness and the ability to go past your opponent after battle. Here's the brave sword's stats btw, or at least from the Japanese version 勇者の剣　(Brave sword) 必殺の出やすい剣 (A sword likely to crit) 威力 (power/strength) 5 命中 (accuracy) 90 必殺 (Crit) 30 射撃 (Range) 1 重さ (Weight) 0 Oh, and since the equipment both Deen and Sonya had are in Lime Green text (if you choose to fight one as a boss), you can technically get both equipment no matter which path you choose.

[@rulerofsheep7543]

No the brave sword does the same thing as it did in gaiden

[@ariariadne]

I think Deen was fairly underrated in the original Gaiden purely because having tons of Dread Fighters was never bad. So I'll definitely be recruiting him first this time around as well. But I'll probably copy my save file to get both in a row, I'll just play the Deen file out first.

[@kairowskiller4006]

again big fan of your videos thx for telling theres a fire emblem amino I've been writing some poems for a few characters in the fire emblem series. Also do you have a fire emblem amino account I can follow If you do use it?

[@owo2350]

what about Delthea? From the growth rates I saw in both Gaiden and SoV she's insane, definitely using her on my playthrough

[@vincentthelego7967]

I kind of regret getting Sonya in Gaiden, and for the unexpected reason being that the patch of my game would always crash the moment i wanted to use Excalibur. So, unfortunately that meant a lot of magic users ended up unusable as a result.

[@punchingcinnamon9120]

i didn't know you could recruit either one so i ended up fighting Sonya... Deen is amazing tho

[@morcatna4767]

This was so helpful! (echoes) Thankyou! Just to clarify, you can only recruit one of them right?

[@lucky_crit]

Yes, and the one you run up to and fight on the world map is the one you *DON'T* get. So fight the one you don't want.

[@morcatna4767]

ohhhh thank you! I appreciate all you do :D

[@lanceknightmare]

On Alm's Route, Kliff is the best Mercenary in the game due to his 60% speed growth. You can give him the +3 speed fountain which will give you a speed value of 13 as a level 1 Mercenary allowing you to not get doubled by the Shielded Mercenary on Map 3. You could also choose to grind until Kliff has 13+ speed. In this case I recommend giving the +3 speed to Clive since he is the best user of the Riders Bane which gives +10 bonus damage versus Cavaliers. On Celica's Route you have Saber who requires 12 speed in order to double against the Shielded Mercenary. A big difference is if you choose to grind first until you get 12+ speed you can then +3 attack Saber instead while still doubling on this first fountain. A big difference between Kliff and Saber as a Mercenary with this build is Kliff gets the Lightning Sword which means you are doubling for 15 Magic Damage for the first part of the game.

[@hewhowatches7444]

I like Deans redesign a lot more, I also chose Sonia both times I played through Gaiden, so I'm picking Dean this time.

[@scorch3565]

I have not played Gaiden and don't know much about the story but I was a little confused watching this video. When you began to talk about what happened in the original game you said that you would recruit one earlier then get the other later. Is this still the same for this game? If so then would the choice just be about who you want to actually use or who you want to get first? If someone could elaborate a little more for me I would appreciate it.

[@lucky_crit]

Nope, you pick which one you will fight, then you basically end up killing that one, and you recruit the one you didn't fight!

[@scorch3565]

Aw I was looking forward to using them both. I really like the design of them both

[@escotanner]

Should probably do this before I forget *subscribed*.

[@theravingtimes9582]

Sonya's vast pool of white and black magic compared to Deen's beefy stats will make her valuable for my Hard Mode playthrough. However, I intend to go after Deen first and make Atlas and eventually Kamui mages so I can get access to Rescue and Freeze respectively. In my second playthrough which will likely become my main file, I'll get Sonya (and turn Atlas into an archer) since I want to gain access to all of the spells in this file, which also involves turning Faye into a cleric.

[@konnorkent8113]

4:17 Your comments here imply that you only get the Brave Sword/Steel Shield if you recruit Deen/Sonia respectively.

[@GeaForce]

I killed Dean and gave his brave sword to Jesse

[@firetarrasque4667]

DUDE!WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE. YOU PUT IT *IN THE TITLE!*

[@lucky_crit]

+3.14 Dragon Yeah unfortunately if I had removed their names from the title and just silhouetted the thumbnail then people actually looking for the info about the characters wouldn't be able to find it and in general thumbnails with just silhouettes won't do well because people don't know what they're getting into and it's not "pretty enough" to click on. I considered masking it for now and then changing it on the game's actual release, but unfortunately that will just kill the video's potential while it's new and actually relevant. Sorry about that.

[@TheRealKwisty]

I unintentionally chose Sonya. I’ll ofc go for Deen when i’ll do my second playthrough

[@shishoe5219]

I was going to choose either one of them based on how my party was doing but seeing that Sonya gets freaking Rewarp AND Entrap has solidified my choice. I'm just gonna use her for support unless Mae and Boey really get screwed but it's not like that's as big of a problem as in other games due to how promotions work.

[@omega-kiba7188]

Well....shit. I didn't know you had to choose between the two. But, given how Deen just adds to the already high mercenary count on Celica's route, I have to say I'll be choosing Sonya. Not to mention, I saw a bit of Sonya's support conversation with Genny in a walkthrough before getting the game, and compared to Deen, she seems much more pleasant.

[@lucky_crit]

+Omega-Kiba Yep! It sucks to kill one of them but it really makes it fun to do another playthrough with different villager classes and get the other one!

[@Krytern]

that phone app ad was way too long for it to be at the beginning of a video

[@MinkDaddy]

Lucky Crit! I love to see another sacred stones fan! I'm going Deen baby! No more waifus, we need more manly men. In all seriousness though, Dread fighters are very useful, and the brave sword will work wonders.