Sorcerer vs Wizard: What is the Difference? in Baldur's Gate 3

[@italianspartacus]

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[@seangibson2160]

Can you build a good Tiefling, Druid/Monk?

[@AzureIV]

Also note that in BG3, you can go one level of Wizard anytime and get the ability to scribe spell scrolls into your spellbook at any level you can cast. So you can be Sorcerer 11/Wizard 1 and get access to all the Wizard spells for the Sorcerer and cast them all the way to Level 6 Spells.

[@SM3X1T]

Hey. I just want to say that I appriciate the fact that you have a TL:DW section at the start of the video, I understand it might not be the best thing for audience retention but it's wildly helpful as someone who didn't know DnD mechanics before Baldurs Gate and needs a refresher every week or two to remember what's what. Thank you!

[@Geist02mds]

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[@stuffanthings]

@@SM3X1T on the contrary, that's why they got an instant sub for me, gave me the info up front and then went into more detail on the matter how it should be

[@ryanc.6723]

Wizards: Big bag of manual tools for any job. Sorcerers: Power Drill with a bit set. Can’t do as many jobs but does some jobs better. Warlocks: Nail gun. The best at doing one job. Bards: the neighbor that borrows your tools and doesn’t return them.

[@robertbush7530]

Dude this is perfect 😂

[@user-ur9qz4bm8f]

I love this

[@harveybirdman593]

What job is the warlock good for?

[@josephmorgan3881]

​@@harveybirdman593eldritch blasting the fuck out of everything

[@ccvcharger]

@@harveybirdman593killing things with just cantrips.

[@CommanderBohn]

Wizards: We literally study day and night. The results is that while we can cast each spell depending on its level few or less times, we have access to as many as we want and we can forget and learn multiple times before resting before a battle. Sorcerers: We can cast spells even more frequently and we can learn many of them, once we learn something we can't unlearn it unless we level up. Also we got our powers because our ancestors at worst were touched by the supernatural or became supernatural creatures...or they either shagged or got shagged by them. Warlocks: We make a pact with a supernatural creature either on purpose or accident...and all we need is Eldritch Blast.

[@sundevil34]

Wizards: I can cast a fireball, maybe two if things line up. Sorcerers: just two? I can do 4 before I have the spell slots to cast that many. Warlocks: I’m not sure who asked for it but here’s 12 eldritch blasts in one turn.

[@coops1992]

At least warlock has free, op opportunity attack with pact weapon. Wizards and sorcerers have to hit with staff and miss if they don't want to lose spell slot xD

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

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[@chrisschack9716]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Worse, Vicious Mochrie!

[@Mannistheorion]

Gordon Ramsey playing as Warlock be like: Gordon: "Eldritch Blast, 2 clicks, done"

[@nickvarga7676]

Knowing that you are incentivized to have us stay as long as possible.. The fact you front end the TL;DR earns so much respect in my book. Happy to sub AND watch the video through

[@italianspartacus]

Thank you so much dude, that helps a ton

[@Ajv516]

The TLDR is supposed to be upfront…period.

[@kylemilford8758]

He's breaking the meta. Most people give a quick breakdown at the very end, so those viewers skip the beginning as they expect it to just be an intro. I typically watch entire videos because I just listen to them sort of like a podcast

[@nnzfmly]

I love this style. Adding comment to agree.

[@ShaggyShagz13]

He also sets up chapters for an even more efficient and viewer friendly experience. Great presentation overall, even though we differ on our opinion of the Wizard being the much better caster, only outperformed by Psionics.

[@KreatorHL]

Love how you don't try to make people stay on your videos at all costs !! Really nice work and good infos !!! Thx and hope your channel keeps growing mate :)

[@italianspartacus]

my pleasure brother! i just want you to go play the game!!

[@Johnny_Isometric]

I prefer Sorcerer for one reason alone, Wild Magic. It’s sub-optimal, but the stupidity is worth it!

[@BeefNEggs057]

Twinned haste spell is amazing. And option to cast spells with double distance. Sorcery points are very useful. Playing both and sorcerer is way more useful. Yes the wiz has more useless spells that I don’t use anyway.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

​@@BeefNEggs057because it has ALL of the spells!

[@Sotanaht01]

@@BeefNEggs057 It's +50% distance, not double. Twinned haste is pointless when you have infinite haste potions available to purchase for practically nothing, and can throw those potions to affect multiple targets for less than a full action.

[@donkeysunited]

I think Sorcerer 10 Wizard 2 is the best of both worlds. All of the spells, all of the spell slots and most of the sorcery points with a Charisma focused character.

[@tytar1037]

Lightning sorcerer with create water is insane. You can duel wield two staves that BOTH have arcane battery. And amulet that recovers up to lvl 6 spell slot. So many chain Lightning’s lol

[@tofu_golem]

One other difference: Wizard is the only class with intelligence as the primary stat, so if you want to explore some of the intelligence-based dialog options, wizard is the way to go. Sorcerers are charisma-based, and if you want to experience those dialog options, you can also explore them with warlocks or paladins. I really want to make a halfling storm sorcerer if only because the idea of a halfling flying around raining death from above sounds hilarious, particularly when you combine that with the gee-shucks country bumpkin halfling dialog options.

[@DevareayWilliams]

@@HeldotbIt does make sense though. Because sorcerors are born with the ability to do magic. They don’t have to study like wizards and they didn’t make a deal with an otherworldy being like a warlock, they were born able to just do magic, which is why many are arrogant and extremely confident in their abilities. So yeah, using charisma for their spells makes sense

[@universe1225]

​@@DevareayWilliamsStill, I dislike how the game seems to paint sorcerers as dumb or expects you to min-max to completely dump intelligence. Like Gale asks if you study magic but if you say yes he basically laughs. You'd think a sorcerer supplementing their abilities with study would be common, although I'm curious now if he responds differently if you multiclass a level into wizard.

[@Name-zd2nb]

​@@universe1225 gale is right tho. Sorc didn't "study"anything. They are gifted an may not even know why or how the magic they weild is even possible. You can do magic. You don't know magic.

[@George_M_]

Doing a Sorcerer Durge playthrough now after a first playthrough with Gale as the party caster and it does feel like Sorcerers are for KZbin gimmicks by comparison. The irony is that helps indirectly with combat by forcing me to not bring a pile of utility spells like I would on a Wizard and wind up with a much more focused build.

[@Sotanaht01]

@@Dankest-Jedi Sorcerers are supposed to be combat casters, but metamagic is gutted in BG3 compared to tabletop and with Haste being so much better than tabletop, there's really very little reason to ever take a Sorcerer over a Wizard in BG3. Specifically, Quickened Metamagic in tabletop only costs 2 sorcery points, not 3, and it's the only way besides Action Surge to cast 2 spells normally requiring an Action in a round. That makes it MUCH more valuable. Transmuted Spell also would make Dragon bloodlines much more competitive with an Evocation wizard for damage, but we don't get that either, nor do we get Empowered spell. Using Twinned spell to cast 2 Hastes with a sorcerer is appealing, but since you could just throw a Potion of Haste to get the same effect (or more, if you group tightly enough) for only the cost of an attack action (extra attacks apply) and with no concentration needed it's a waste there too.

[@admiralalyssa]

I've never played D&D anything but bought bg3 from how much love it was getting. I wanted to be a spellcaster for my first playthough but was intimidated by both classes. Right now my drow warlock is blasting her way through act 1 but this video has given me the inititive to give the sorcerer a go once I finish my warlock run. Thanks for making such an informitive video!

[@bongobagginz]

i've played dnd for a decade idk why i'm here but the guy is chill so i stuck to the end, have a like dude

[@Rekkenze]

3 minutes and told me everything I wanted to know with no bs. Def earns a sub

[@FlaminVictini]

I started out as wizard and this is my first time ever playing this kind of game. The idea that I could use almost any spell was really appealing at first until I saw videos covering these classes and realized that sorcerer is a lot stronger. Then I played some more and learned more about the game and realized that sorcerer class is one dimensional and the damage is only insane for one or two turns, after which you run out of sorcery points. Wizard gives an awesome mix of utility, cc, and offense, that I just can’t see myself going through the game without anymore. Saw a lot of “one man army” kind of sorcerer builds where you take whatever element and turn it into a nuke which is really cool, but I like having more diverse options as well as building a party as opposed to building just one character. Wizard also has access to some very unique qualities like the divinity subclass allowing you to guarantee hit/ dodge in certain situations, or the abjuration subclass allowing you to be a legendarily tanky mage with incredible options for both offense and defense. The necromancer build is also quite cool even if the undead summons kinda suck but it’s still unique to the wizard class. Really enjoy this class and it’ll be hard to beat for sure.

[@CosmicChris]

I think the easiest way to compare them is. "Do you want to speedrun, or sequence break?" Wizard. They let you just skip. But I never feel they are really... the one I use for combat. Lotta options, but a lot of it feels like superfluous semantics and flavors of things. "Do you want to be a good talker who does good damage?" Sorcerer, especially storm Sorcerer if you want extra mobility. Magic is just sorta situational I feel in both cases. It can be powerful, or it can be like a wet fart. There is pretty much no inbetween. But, you can just do the best of both too. But if you are like me... "2 levels of Wizard for Evocation, the Rest Sorcerer." I will never have to waste Metamagic points to worry about friendly fire. Just spec with Sorcerer in mind. Grab the Crown or Tiera of Intellect. And you basically expand all your versatility. Want to disguise yourself? Enhance leap? Featherfall? Talk to Animals or even do Necromancy? You literally can. Can also use Shield spell too. (You can probably do the same for Druid and or Cleric. And just absolutely cheese with moonbeam.) Magic I feel is pretty underwhelming so far as somebody in act 2. Because it boils down to. "Traversal, Social, Support and Combat". Despite all the magic I have. Despite all the stat investment. Magic is either going to absolutely nuke, miss, or do so little, you questioned why you are not just using Collage of Sword Bard, and duelwielding two Hand Crossbows with a Caustic Ring, spamming Slashing Flourished Ranged. But I get the strong feeling, magic is tailored more for Tactician than it is Balanced. That, or they made Martial really good in this game. Personally, I feel more impressed by Cleric the most out of most of the Casters. Druid is cool tool... but Clerics outright terrify me. Weirdly very tanky. Can fit many types of roles. Provides some of the best support. And can pretty not die easily. Only thing is, Shadowheart exist, so I reset her stats and change domains. She is just an absolute force of nature. Obviously, at the end of the day. "You should do what you want. These are just my observations and RNG is a huge factor with performance as well."

[@nguyendi92]

​@@CosmicChris The strength of Magic , especially in Tactician (And for me Tactician Plus mod) is Ultilities and Battle field control. In fights with every single enemies have 100% more health than you, higher AC and Spell saving? A Fireball is shit. But you know what is strong? Haste your Martial. Or Retreat and Cloud of Dagger ( guarantee hit)/ Hunger of Hadar(Darkness+ DMG + Difficult Terrain) the choke point. Thunderwave 2+ enemies. Also can buff Mage armor and Long Strider for your party. I have my college of Lore Bard use Hunger of Hadar and then Thunderwave from Wizard with Rouge using Arrow of Roaring Thunder to push them back in the cloud, the entire team didn't even take a hit. After you have high enough Spell DC from items. You can even reliably CC them . Like using Crown of Madness. The funny thing is that the enemies actually prioritized the Madness enemy and leave your team alone. I once CC the Fighting Instructor guy on the Gith's Mountainpass, and all his student just gang up and beat him to death, what a karmic justice.

[@CosmicChris]

@@nguyendi92 I feel so bad for taking so long to respond to this. But those are pretty awesome examples. But the unfortunate thing for me is... BG3 is pretty easy as is in my opinion as somebody who is playing both Vanilla (Non modded), Balanced and Tactician between me and a friend or two. Which is so weird to me, because compare it to Larian's Last 2 games... Those games are pretty hard in my opinion. But like... The worst I had to deal with thus far difficulty wise? Minthara was a slight difficulty spike just due to her gear set effects and personal skills. And even then. "RNG is more of a factor to a degree in this game rather than actual skill checking. You can mitigate those rolls, to a degree, but it is still largely RNG. Minus the few things that disregard it." I'm not even saying you're wrong for how you play the game. The only "Incorrect way" I can think of for playing this game, is doing the extreme opposites of what is intended of your Class' function. (I.e, a Rogue is not a healer. A Sorcerer probably is not the best choice for martial. That sort of thing.) Even as a Bard, I rarely had a reason to use Magic at times. With The DU Mantle, and CoS Bard. Duel Wield Slashing Flourish with Caustic Ring, and some Cantrips Occasionally. and he pretty much had no issues taking out threats. I'm not a "Meta" type of player, I don't care about that really. But my mind gravitated to doing what felt comfortable for me. Because of that, Magic feels so awkward to me. Not useless. But I find myself not using MP skills often. Crowd Control is nice, but so is just outright killing a perceived problem or threat. Despite any gripes I may have, I still feel like this game will and is my personal GoTY. It's just super fun. But I hope it gets a few difficulty tweaks.

[@tylernorman7896]

Had me at Abjuration, will always stay close to my heart. I wish I had the lvl 14 Spell Resistance (Advantage on all saving throws against spells and resistance to all spell damage) also, if the ward takes all the damage, you don't need to make Concentration checks...

[@wr5488]

I’m just starting to mess with Sorcerer, prefer Wizard buuuuuut I kinda like using the range bonus with magic missile as Sorcerer. I can hit people from around corners like a mile away.

[@Jonas_Fox]

This was very insightful. Too many videos just explaining complex in ways that makes it even more complicated. Thank you.

[@italianspartacus]

My pleasure brother :)

[@HarryPotterFan1307]

Man I had to pause this to let you know how helpful the beginning explanation was. Thank you so much for delivering that straight up and right off the bat. Subbed.

[@spynix0718]

Sorcerer is by far better for one reason: You can bully Gale because he had to learn magic.

[@joeivo911]

I love how you front load the info. I had no idea of the difference

[@johnmattison1209]

Storm sorc adds a good bit extra spells. Regardless it is necessary to include other half and third spellcasters for utilities

[@UNSCSpartan118ONI]

I appreciate the up front knowledge, its refreshing not having to listen to a 30 min intro. actually makes me wanna watch the full vid.

[@stichesdog18]

I love that you include that beginning portion with the main info available right away. :)

[@italianspartacus]

Always!

[@Tyrael17X]

Damn I love that you gave the tl;dw straight away I watched the tl;DW and the whole video later because I was interested in the deeper explanation I wish all KZbin creator would do this :')

[@italianspartacus]

thanks so much for watching brother :)

[@dasphoenixable]

Now that you mention it, it would be nice to see a breakdown of the schools. Personally I prefer sorc over wizard, twin spell and the other meta magics are really nice. I miss being able to take them as a feat in 3.5.

[@zakcat5175]

Have you seen the new sorcerer? No twin spell anymore in 2024

[@alemar1122]

I also prefer sorc... I know wizards have arcane recovery, but having to remember to pre-cast mage armor on myself and not having metamagic just makes me sad...

[@darrenthompson7995]

@@zakcat5175no twin spell in 2024? What ever do you mean? My lvl 11 sorc flys around the battlefield hurling fireballs twice a turn thanks to meta magic quicker and twined spells

[@zakcat5175]

@@darrenthompson7995 have u even seen the new twin spell or no?

[@Offbeaten]

Sorcerer beats wizards hands down for me, on account for being based on charisma. It just fits my playstyle more to be a charismatic talker who occasionaly sneezes and sets everyone on fire.

[@Sotanaht01]

That is definitely a valid reason. Though maybe try a bard instead.

[@AzureIV]

Unfortunately INT based characters don't have much going for them.

[@ry1023.3]

@@AzureIVelementals slaughter everything

[@BloodyBobJr]

For raw combat potential a sorc is stronger than wizard, cause you have metamagic points to increase their damage or add new characteristics to spells. But you can't change their spells on the fly, so it isn't flexible. Wizard main advantage is being able to change your spells whenever you want, so depending on situation to use more offensive, defensive, debuffing spells. Also makes changing gear and having different builds easier..though you can respec sorc to change as well, but thats an annoying thing to do constantly. Sorc is a laser gun and wizard is the swiss army knife

[@danodmano4688]

Love how you gave the info in the beginning. So refreshing

[@julianjames2899]

My rule of thumb - if you want to cast fireball and deal damage, play a sorcerer. If you want to control the battlefield and dominate each fight, play a wizard.

[@kreldinfoxclaw4195]

Stopped to sub and comment -just- because you take the time to summarise at the start of your video, rather than the end. Fantastic content style. Looking forward to seeing more.

[@italianspartacus]

Thanks so much for watching brother :) plenty more en route

[@corylance364]

Just wanted to add that along with Markoheshkir, Staff of spell power obtained in house of hope is another staff that grants 1 free spell cast of any level and you can duel wield both of them, equip the amulet in this video, unlock your illithid powers and take free cast from it. With all of that done you can now cast level 6 spells 4 times for free. Markoheshkir gives you a spell called kereska's favor, this allows you to pick an element giving you resistance and 2 spells to free cast. If you chose lightning element you get a free cast of chain lightning. There seems to be a glitch, if you use this it will spend your illithid power free cast usage sadly. I believe this is a glitch because illithid powers have nothing to do with the staff or the spell this staff gives you.

[@visionhawk4403]

Thank you for this video! I wasn't sure which one to go with but I think I'm going to go with Sorcerer because of it being charisma based. I rarely change spells with Gale anyway except when levelling up. But with the charisma stat and bonuses, that should open up a lot more dialogue, talking with people and learning the lore, which is what I really like out of RPGs. Edit: I just subscribed. You make great videos!

[@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517]

Theorycrafting in this game looks insane. Gives me BG2/NWN flashbacks. :D

[@DisIngRaM]

15:35 As Wizard playthrough I'm not sure about this. Long Rest is very cheap in this game, while it might be bothersome to do so often (time consuming). But even if the wizard does not need the rest, oftentimes your other party members need it. 16:18 is what bothers me the most with my wizard playthrough. It's a hassle to move in and out scroll out of the backpack. Wizard scrolls are also expensive, to purchase and learn. I have to ready Astarion anytime in my party member (To loot/pickpocket vendors). 17:02 Spells like Hold Person have limited use with Wizard. Often you just want to staright shoot Chain Lightning instead. It is far better when Sorcerer use them, as their chance of failure is lower, also with multi spells. Overall, even if your wizard learn all those spells, most of the time, you'll only be slotting powerful offensive and BIS utilities. Why? Because it is a hassle to manage Wizard's ready spell, and tailoring them into each battle is just ughh.. I wish wizard got more chance to cast spells per turn, and have more spell slots given to them. Unfortunately, no, they are only a big library. Personally, Sorcerer/Warlock is far the better choice, due to the build in skills those class give. Wizard feels like carrying a library of books, but you're not going to read 90% of them. You can change your roleplay often, but I think most players will find it too bothersome.

[@noseriouslyimserious4073]

I really like using Sorlock. Utility + CHA boosted Eldritch Blast for damage without relying on spell slots.

[@TheTdroid]

I would love to see how Gale's class would be with his gifts as Mystra's Chosen. He'd probably be a Wizard with Metamagic and bloodline bonuses.

[@lebaronvanburen]

I don't even have the game, but your no bs approach had me interested

[@justinriley7193]

It would definitely be good to see your breakdown of the different sub classes of wizard!

[@tytar1037]

You can dual wield staffs and get TWO arcane battery. With legendary staff and staff of spellpower. Also amulet that restores up to lvl 6 spell slots. So many chain lightnings!

[@elenalizabeth]

How do you dual wield staffs? I tried but it just swaps them instead of giving 2 🤔

[@tytar1037]

@@elenalizabeth Dual wield feat!

[@PurgeThunder]

For this game, start with a Nature Cleric (1 level)...don't need a high Wisdom at all...and finish with Wizard through level 12. This gives heavy armor & shields, Shillelagh cantrip for your Staff, Speak with Animals, etc. And, you don't lose any spell levels since they are both full casters.

[@ShaggyShagz13]

One downside I see for that is the loss of the 3rd feat. You need a minimum of 4 CL per feat, not counting Fighters and Rogues getting 2 extra feats at CL 6 & 10.

[@MrJJ86]

Constitution saving throw prof and twinned spell is just so much fun. But divination wizard can really change the outcome as well. I wouldnt take evocation focus on wizard, its fine but the other school have more potential and more fun if you ask me.

[@huntergreeno2191]

I'm new to the DND and have always wanted to get into it, so getting this info without watching a 6hr video where it's explained in the last 30 seconds is so helpful..... I'm actually gonna listen to the rest of the video in background because your content style and great descriptions

[@cinnamontoast9999]

Thanks for the detailed clarification pal! Was leaning more towards sorc over wizard to begin with, now I’m def picking sorc for my next character

[@Mywookiearmy]

Honestly the BIGGEST difference for the sorcerer vs wizard debate to me is that sorcerers don’t get conjure elemental. If you don’t know, this spell is disgustingly good, and when upcast to lvl 6, myrmidons (mainly water one) can genuinely solo entire act 3 encounters it’s hilarious.

[@felipec.santos4370]

And they can cast an infinite AOE healing spell lol.

[@andyd3447]

My water elemental is the only reason I beat Ketheric Thorm.

[@An4lAvenger]

I just multiclassed one level into wizard. It's a little annoying getting spells a level later than the spell slot unlocks but with learning the scrolls it's manageable and ultimately more flexible. I just learned fireball, minor elemental, and major elemental as I unlocked the slots to use them then learned the spell from sorc the next level up.

[@joeregan.]

Yeah, one level plus the headband of int gives you 4 int spells scribed at a time. @@An4lAvenger

[@noctrk161]

Sorcs don't get ANY summon spell, which is a terrible weakness. The only benefits of being a sorcerer is metamagic, specifically Quickened Spell, Heightened Spell, Twinned Spell and Silent Spell. QS is matched by illithid powers as bonus action from the Awakened story feat, HS is matched by Portent from being a Divination wizard, TS and SS are the only true advantage a sorc got over a wizard. If there will be a dlc and wizards will get Simulacrum spell at level 13, it will be gg for poor sorcs.

[@jibblecain]

There are spells like Dethrone that you can only get by taking their scrolls and learning them as a wizard. One benefit of a wizard over sorcerer.

[@germanrud9904]

One benefit of going sorcerer with 1 level in wizard 😂

[@jibblecain]

@@germanrud9904 you can't learn high level wizard scrolls as a level 1

[@roaringthunder8069]

​@@jibblecain yes you can. Wizard spell scribing depends on what level spell slots you have access to, not your wizard level. 11 sorcerer 1 wizard can learn any wizard spell via scrolls.

[@Person01234]

Sorcs are my favourite spellcasters. Charisma casters with proficiency in con saves. Good range of blasty and utility spells. Metamagic is super fun and twinned spells are great, plus they can make the DM's life a nightmare in D&D.

[@KrzyUnit]

Wow this was a very thorough and digestible video. While I did initially like and play sorc due to the charisma, wizard sounds like a new venture to approaching the game as if it's new again. Will try it out!

[@SorryImScouse]

I've literally never seen a video that just gives the information up front and then goes into detail, rather than waffle on and drip feed everything. What a refreshing concept, like and sub from me fella 🙏

[@dsmiley53]

As a D&D/BG noob, this is incredibly helpful. Thank you so much! Earned a sub.

[@nathanaelfuchs2174]

Sorcerers have acces to a better version of arcane recovery via their metamagic. They can use their sorcerer-points to regain spell points. They can do this even within combat as a bonus action. It is made so that the amount of possible spell recovery is always the same among wizards and sorcerers of the same level. PS: I discoverd you Channel a few months ago when I was looking for mount and blade stuff. I was super happy to find out that you do BG3 too. Keep up doing great work.

[@Foretelling]

It's not better. It literally eats up their secondary resource. Using meta-magic to create spellslots literally cannibalizes their ability to blast, which is what they are meant to do.

[@Hardrocker828-1]

I want to appreciate you for front loading your video with the easy answer. Video liked!

[@Guhtts]

I love the no-nonsense approach to your video. No scumbag tactics. Liked and subbed! 🤝🏾🙏🏾

[@matthewellner5190]

I love that you front load your videos! Mad respect

[@cat6killa]

My dude, thank you so much for upfronting the information I'm going to watch entire video now because you did that and I subscribed!

[@italianspartacus]

My absolute pleasure man and thank you so much for doing that!! :)

[@NoForksGiven]

tldr: play a wizard if you want a wide variety of spells for any situation play a sorceror if you want to specialise in casting certain spells, such as a dedicated healer, or a one spell build (magic missile only is hilarious)

[@axelgeerts5763]

Thanks for TLDW'ing it in the beginning, appreciated that

[@deathybrs]

This video gets a thumbs up just for you having the decency to do a TLDW. I'm gonna watch the rest, but that shows some real quality of character, IMO.

[@MrEagorath]

I went with Sorcerer for my first play through (storm). Loving the utility of the fly to get anywhere and everywhere :D

[@madao9946]

I think on twinned spell, you cannot choose the same target. unless its from the Adroit gloves.

[@toshman696969]

i thought the same, i tried but could not

[@MrNategeo]

This is true

[@joshmontgomery9942]

My first ever play through was a draconic sorcerer and metamagic is amazing. Quickened spell was brutal and for me through some of the hardest bosses. Sorcerers charisma also makes them great in conversation. I’m now playing a paladin and want to play this game over and over with all classes. This games phenomenal

[@1SaG]

2:30 Within BG3 at least, that main difference between Sorcerer and Wizard is a bit of a moot point because you can re-spec your Sorcerer whenever you want and change his selection of spells. I've tried to avoid Withers most of the time, but I did catch myself re-speccing my Sorcerer at least once to get a different spell into his memory. I wonder how Pen-and-Paper sorcerers handle this. Probably DM's discretion, I suppose. I'm on a Draconic Fire Sorcerer build ATM and you can do some crazy shit with that. I'm using that set of gloves that give you stacks of heat for every hit you score (forgot the name of the gloves, sorry). So... upcast Scorching Ray to four or five (depending on your level), hit a bunch of enemies and get heat-stacks. It's usually 6 or 7 for me after the first attack. Then use Quickened Spell to cast Scorching Ray a second time, this time using the highest spell-slot you have (5 or 6, ideally). Activate Heat Conversion and let her rip. This will add your stacks of heat as damage to (I think) every single ray you shoot off. So with 6 or 7 rays and 6 stacks of heat that should be 36 to 42 additional damage by using a set of 90 GP gloves. Plus you can still add more damage by using that Radiating Orb ring to put a light-source on all your targets and the ring that'll deal +2 on enemies that are illuminated. Even tougher bosses go down pretty easily like that. The only drawbacks I found so far are that you will take damage by unused heat-stacks (both in combat and once it ends) and fire resistance doesn't seem to protect you from that. I guess "heat" is different from "fire damage". The other drawback is when you only rely on fire damage, you'll be SOOL once you come up against an enemy/boss who's immune to fire. The Elemental Adept feat only ignores resistances, not immunity, so it doesn't help here. I suppose you'd need to use debuffs for that (Perilous Stakes should work), but if you forget about immunity, you'll burn off a ton of rays and use up a high level spell-slot, just to see a lot of zeros float above your target.. :) That was one instance where I needed to re-spec to grab some ice or lightning based spells for these situations. Another neat "trick" I just discovered are the Gemini Gloves (which I think you have equipped in the video): They will let any magic user access a similar mechanic to Twinned Spell. They only work with cantrips and only once per short rest, but: As a sorcerer, you can use them *and* twinned spell at the same time and you'll get three projectiles of the same cantrip. So 3x Fire Bolt or 3x Ray of Frost, etc. A higher level Sorcerer with other gear to boost cold/fire/lightning damage can do quite a lot of damage like that without even having to spend a spell-slot.

[@snarky4lyfe144]

in my opinion the two very best spells for a wizard are cloudkill and chain lightning . this combo is so powerful . I almost exclusively use this combo . My husband and I just finished the game yesterday ( 11/22/23) in multiplayer mode, took us a little less than a week to complete . it was rough only due to the constant disconnects , lag , and random other "technical" issues .

[@mAzDaR20]

Sorceror: Talent Wizard: Hard Work

[@RunescapeMeister-san]

I tried wizard for a little bit and found myself regretting not taking specific spells constantly, no matter how much I thought about it beforehand. Sorcerer alleviated that for me, much like you said in regards to not being big brain, by instead making me think more about how I can use what I have to my advantage instead of what I could have brought. That's probably more of a mindset issue for me than anything, you can obviously think the same way about whatever you took as wizard, but there was always that part of my mind that focused a little too hard on what ifs.

[@finfan83]

5:38 - omg , casting spells as Silenced ! A blessing come true!

[@scaryhairylemons9911]

Love the upfront knowledge thing. It's very refreshing

[@alecbetz1611]

Been debating this lately as I'm close to finishing my first playthrough. I like the wizard better for RP but sorcerer seems stronger and I love charisma builds (my current build is full charisma bard )

[@uraveragewiteguy]

My warlock is OP

[@mounirboudraa1515]

Why choose? You can have 20 cha and 20 int fairly easily in the game. Go with 10 sorcerer / 2 wizard and you literally have as many spells than a full l12 wizard can prepare and learn everything while still starting your day with 10 sorcery points and not lose any spell slots

[@Sotanaht01]

No you cant. In order to get 20/20 with a 10/2 sorc/wiz, you would need to start with 17 cha 16 int (or reverse), take Ability improvements twice to bring it to 20 int using ALL of your feat options, wear the hat that adds +2 Charisma (the only item in the game that adds a direct bonus to either charisma or intelligence), and get the permanent +1 from Aunty Ethel. Doing so means sacrificing much more valuable headgear options. Also your Con will suck unless you use the amulet of greater health, losing out on a +2 to spell save DCs instead. Also worth noting that you'll have far fewer slots to memorize wizard spells. I've been doing similar things with a Wizard/Cleric, but having only 4 wizard slots for memorization is tough.

[@mounirboudraa1515]

@@Sotanaht01 you forgot the +2 bonus you get in the Shar gauntlet with the mirror of loss and the other +2 bonus you get at the end of shadowheart personal quest. So. You don't have to rely on charisma's hat. Also, with a +5 int and 2 lvl in wizard, this allows you to prepare 7 spells in addition to the 11 you would already have as a sorcerer which is 18 spells total with 7 you can change on demand. That's more than the 17 a wizard can prepare at lvl 12 with 5int. Doing that would mean you have to sacrifice on either con or dex, you're right. But you also have gear that allows you to bumb those 2 stats including an amulet that set your con at 23. So yes, it's absolutely possible to do. That being said remaining at 18char and 18int if you don't want to use special gear means 6 spells you can prepare on demand in addition to the 11 you'd have. Which is still 17 spells and higj enough DC to not worry about failing them and proficiency with con check thanks to sorcerer.

[@listerineclean343]

Watched you since TW days, nice to see that you are still here playing the games you enjoy :)

[@Sergio0hf]

Love your videos dude, and love how you do the TL:DR at the start... but sadly that's probably why the low sub rate :( not going to lie, I hardly subscribe to channels like this, just search for what I need and "bye", but they way you make your videos and your attitude made me subscribe, so I do hope that percentage rate takes a big flip 😁 you deserve it

[@Durrtyboy]

I like wizzard I like to switch my spells and learn everything they can also spec more deep into necromancer

[@THE_REEEE_KING]

Sorcerer is the more optimal class because of the amount of advantage meta magic gives. Anyone who plays DnD knows the first turn or 2 really dictate the battle. Sorcerers being able to burst damage turn 1-2 with like 4 fireballs or 2 level 5 scorching rays can trivialize fights. Plus being able to spend slots for sorcery points, and then using a potion of angelic slumber puts them into god-tier. Was able to solo the game on honor mode with a sorcerer.

[@ironmaidenmetalgod]

I'm playing with gale after a run as a draconic fire sorc. I felt much stronger and flexible as a sorc. That was until I got to act 3 and started getting the crazy high spell DC items. CC is cracked.

[@gregorywishart4332]

Nice style liked the upfronting

[@guardianv5846]

I like doing whichever class until level 7 then respecting if needed to a level 7 wizard learning four utility spells like haste cloud darkness counter spell remove curse, whichever for you find those useful that do not require a attack roll or saving throw. Then reroll into at max level a level one wizard level 5 warlock level 6 sorcer. Use the crown to jump your intelligence up to level 17 slot whichever for you want to use for wizard remove that and you still have access to all four that you would slotted. By doing this you have two level three spells in warlock that you can cast six times a long rest you still have a level 4 slot in sorcerer to upcast. You can twin spell haste seven times per long rest with this without using any sorcerer spells slots. That's 14 hastes, which is ridiculous in BG3.

[@spacechannelfiver]

Wizards approach problems with nuance, intelligence and knowledge. Sorcerers approach problems with Fireball and if that doesn't solve it then more Fireball.

[@Badbentham]

My personal answer in 5E ( or: Pathfinder 2E) to the eternal Wizard vs Sorcerer question is: Bard. ^^

[@drzkillz7642]

I'm only commenting because you front loaded the info in this video, very cool

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

Before this game, I always thought that sorcerer, wizard, and mage were all synonyms and basically meant the same thing.

[@jarreththomson4535]

I always preferred wizard over sorc, then in 5th edition the choice became moot as I have always enjoyed using more utility and tactical spells to just blunt force destruction. and the spell options that wizard gets in 5th edition are just so good for the way i like to play. it really needs to be pointed out tho that sorc in 5th edition is not as overpowering compared to a wizard as they are in bg3. multiclassing to learn extra spells, whilst technically an option is significantly harder because of the stat requirement in 5th edition. ontop of that all the good wizard spells are absent. i was heartbroken to learn that wall of force isnt in this game. tho i can understand why, it's a broken spell. wizards rule

[@SidheKnight]

As someone who started the game completely unfamiliar with D&D rules, I chose Wizard because I liked the description but I was kinda regretting it when pretty much every build guide out there says that Sorcerer is "Wizard, but better in almost every way". I'm glad to know that there's a positive to playing Wizard.

[@Sotanaht01]

@@SidheKnight Wizard is better than sorc in almost every way in BG3. It's not so extreme in the actual tabletop rules

[@jarreththomson4535]

I do suffer a bit from what you could call "roleplay corruption" because back in the day we had a party that included me on a wizard and my friend playing a sorc. and the two characters had a very fun rivalry, which has stemmed into my view of the classes a bit. but, that said. wizard is significantly stronger in 5e it comes down to as i said the multiclassing but also, in 5e you can cast 1 lvl'd spell per turn, pop haste and action surge etc to get extra actions, it does not matter. you can cast 1 lvl'd spell per turn. and again the biggest part is that there is a big list of wizard only spells that have not been translated across into bg3. and for a very good reason, wizards are notorious for ending combat in 1 turn. final argument, it's called wizards of the coast not sorcerers of the coast. there is a bias @@SidheKnight

[@Primal4panda]

@@Sotanaht01 In BG3 Sorcerer > Wizards, especially since the level cap is 12. Wizards don't really get the good stuff until passed level 10. It's one of the reasons why sorcerer is the 2nd most picked class in BG3 and gets an S rank, while the Wizard is one of the least picked classes and gets an A rank at best.

[@Sotanaht01]

@@Primal4panda Just because something is popular, doesn't make it good. Sorcerers D rank at best. To be fair, a typical single class wizard would only be a C rank as well. Fighters are the real S rank in this game. Wizards do have a couple of builds that absolutely blow anything else out of the water (evocation spec with spellmight gloves and magic missile, abjuration spec with Armor of Agathys), but mostly they are best used as a 1 level dip for your cleric. Sorcerer looks good on paper. Especially for people with little knowledge of the game or system, I'm not at all surprised it would be a popular pick. Hell, it's by far my top choice in basically every other dnd video game. In practice though, it brings practically nothing to the table. Useful as a dip to grab armor of agathys or constitution proficiency, nothing more. Edit; I actually do have to concede one major point. Because Sorcerers use Charisma, and your main character generally NEEDS to be your face with charisma skills, they are actually a decent pick for that. If you want spellcasting and charisma skills, you can take the slightly sub-optimal spellcaster sorcerer, maybe with a 1 level wizard dip for utility, and maximize your talking ability.

[@Smiley1967]

always rememver as a wizard you will have multiple item with you so you can last long in fights f.e. the amulet he showed is only usefull outside of fights take something into the fight what supports your playstyle like extra damage f.e. a special spell etc etc. also most of the staffs that you can gain have the same main ability so when you used them just switch to another one like the one combined with the most used spells like ice and fire or lighting. wizard is really not a beginners class but super useful in so many situations especially on the high levels you are obliterating whole enemy groups doesn't matter if undead vampires, some extra boots on the ground etc. always look for the enemy weakness. had often zero issues in fights because of it just had to adapt my tactics like going into round base mode making sb invisible and entering a fight. You dont want to do a lot of climbing use the wizard to teleport, a hole is too small use the wizard, a door that wont open use the wizard etc. etc. Most of the abilities that you can unlock with a sorccerer you can also get by using different kind of gloves hats etc. like quick bonus action using a tier 1 spell.

[@osric729]

Love your "front loading" of the video. Partially why I subbed lol.

[@saneracsam]

The TL;DR thing is very kind. I'm gonna watch the whole video, comment and subscribe to help as i can. Thank you!

[@O8WRx]

I like this game because I came in never playing a game like this before. I didn't watch any tutorials, and it's been a blast.

[@banan9377]

There's a big difference in Wizard's Scribe Spells in BG3 (which may be a bug) that makes it so much more overpowered compared to DND's Scribe Spells. Basically if you're Sorcerer 11 / Wizard 1 (or any spellcaster multiclass), you can Scribe Spells the same as if you were a Wizard 12, meaning you can learn Level 6 spells as a technically level 1 Wizard. In DND this is not the case, you would only be able to Scribe Spells as a level 1 Wizard since that's your only Wizard level. This is massive, the biggest appeal to Wizards is they have the best selection of spells, the Scribe Spell implementation makes it so you can access any spell of your caster level as long as you dip at least 1 level in Wizard. Basically almost any full caster would benefit greatly from a 1 level dip in Wizard, maybe 2 if you want the subclass while still retaining the best parts of a full class Wizard (the spells) while also progressing in your other class. A bonus thing is that you can get an item relatively early that can set your Int to 17, so you could dump Int as another spellcaster class, grab this item, then dip 1 level into Wizard and you're basically almost 2 classes at the same time.

[@rl8073]

Love your content, please don't stop front-loading the content and i'll stay subbed! Good man!

[@mangamango1340]

I also find sorcerer conversations hilarious. They’re unhinged wizards “give me that pie or else I’ll melt your face off” kind of vibe.

[@WanderersPath05]

Thanks dude! You made this game much easier for me.

[@KeepGuns]

Sorcerers are Jack of all trades casters and Wizards are like your specialty caster. Play a 😮sorcerer if you want to cast some good spells many times. Play a wizard if you want to have a mix of spells at your disposal.

[@the0master200]

Thank you for upfronting the knowledge.

[@italianspartacus]

My pleasure!

[@the0master200]

@italianspartacus I subscribed, liked and commented just for that hahaha

[@italianspartacus]

You're the best bro!!

[@sylnz97]

I'm in my firs playthrough, I chose wizard and I'm really happy with it, I like swapping out spells and collecting new ones through scrolls

[@zombieshuffle2680]

metamagic: twin spell doesn't target the same creature twice. There are items that can grant you a similar ability, but the meta magic insists on two targets. This is still a great thing as double casting haste on your party members is pretty beneficial, or my favorite, double casting disintegrate.

[@kraiden3]

What items???

[@19374hklmaq]

instant like for that compact introduction ! :)

[@nosgon]

Thanks for the quick explanation at the beginning! :)

[@odinulveson9101]

Sorcy aaaall the way. Especially the dragonborn ( add gem dragon mod at nexus etc to make em stronk! ) + draconic bloodline sorcerer = double dragon ancestry whammy! And to pay homage to purple and orange dragons as a dragonborn?paint em those colors then, red + blue and red + yellow/ green. Yes theres no main true yellow dragon represented but use green instead. Green breathes chlorine poison gas that itself could be product of yellows salt breath + blues lightning dragon parents.

[@mkey570]

The beauty of Draconic bloodline for Dragonborn is you can change skin color to whatever you want as well as the ancestor color. I have a purple dragon heritage (gem dragon mod is wicked!) with black dragon bloodline but is in coloration black/purple/blue scales with red striping. Wish there were more color options but now it's the only way I play Sorc is Dragonborn, just too cool.

[@jordanmcintosh4733]

Wizards can learn just about any spell and can have tons of spells at the same time so it gives ridiculous amounts of utility because you can have a spell ready for literally any situation making every turn with a wizard extremely impactful not to mention they can summon elementals which are extremely powerful summons

[@suighrafa]

Dude, I googled it a couple of minutes ago, nice timing! Thanks!

[@thiagoandreolla]

Thx for the video bro! help me a lot! A big hug from Brazil o/

[@liathedoll]

4:59 As someone who loves Sorlock (archfey) i love having the Careful so I can use fairylight without it getting on my teammates 😊

[@Alucardd-tt8eb]

You make great, very detailed videos. I appreciate your dedication. Definitely earned my like and sub! ❤

[@jaspersankbeil2061]

if you wanna multiclass with wiz just grab the headband of intellect off the ogre in the blighted village.

[@linuxelitist]

Thank you so much for the Front Load!

[@benedictjajo]

Sorcerer: Gifted. Wizard: Hard work.

[@jansniezynski7348]

Let's not forget, that Wizard may have in practice permament access to two powerful spells due to scroll learning: Artistry of War and Dethrone, sth that is not possible for Warlock and Sorcerer.