SOS Bros React - Frieren Episode 9 - Aura the Guillotine

[@SemblanceofSanity]

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[@bernieburton6520]

Those aren't just suits of armor. Aura is called the guillotine because after she takes control of someone she cuts off their head. But their bodies are still her slave. There's a human inside of each of those armors. She just cut off their head so that they wouldn't have a mind capable of fighting her magic constantly.

[@joshuawillingham6363]

So fun thing with Linie. If you watch the way she fights, all her force comes from taking advantage of momentum and gravity. Most of her attacks are down and side swings. Stark's wreckless attack forces her to swing up against gravity. If she hit him as hard as she'd been hitting him wide open like that he would have died, but he realized after the fact that she literally couldn't and she wasn't as strong as he thought.

[@deadline6149]

doubt he'd die even like that, Stark's just built different. He might have taken more damage but there is no way she's killing him.

[@subratanandy2142]

Honestly, Linnie should've stuck with Spears and maybe pull out bows and arrows. Trying to defeat Stark with his own master's technique for shits and giggles was a bad , bad decision.

[@Raidanzoup]

My favorite take on Fern's speed is a Japanese comment I saw somewhere (or even heard in a video?) saying that it might be a result of how Fern desperately practiced firing off her (looong range) shots to become a good enough mage in the little time left before Heiter passed away.

[@nucleargandhi2709]

I take it as simply another expression of her urgency compared to Frieren. Fern is always pushing the party to find solutions, take action, and move forward, so it would make sense that, compared to immortals like Frieren and Lugner, a mage of her skill would make haste in casting battle magic.

[@subratanandy2142]

As it has been said , humans and elves and demons have very different growth curves . Humans live the shortest but their power grows the fastest keeping up with the growth of their body and brain . There have been human mages who defeated Frieren in the past , using less mana than her . That being said , that comment was RIGHT. And it also makes me think, did Heiter purposefully set her up to fire long distance Zoltraak because he realised how useful that will be for her later on ?( From his experience during the ten year long journey) That's probably why he said that when she is able to fire a rock in the distance, Fern would be ready to set out . And this is where it pays off .

[@Shinius]

Linnie has one of the coolest fighting styles. I LOVED the shot of her throwing the spear down, grabbing the spear and immediately turning it into a dagger and throwing it.

[@DXDragon38]

This entire episode was animated beautifully! Every movement in the fight was so smooth! Especially Linie and Fern's movements.

[@electricant55]

Linie's choreography was really fantastic

[@CaffieneKitty]

Aura having an army of not just empty armour but of people she'd controlled, still in their armour, that have since turned to literal dust/decaying mud because she's just basically used them without mercy since acquiring them was utterly horrific. Seeing the Graf's son's family crest on that armour, then knowing that he'd had the will to resist for a bit but Aura collected him anyway, that was just gut-punch after gut-punch. Damn.

[@sosaalexis48]

Lügner getting shot in the heart The ending: "And you alright? Can you hear me?"

[@MSDoL]

Next episode the dark comedy aspect of the ending timing goes even further beyond. And I just love it.

[@komos3719]

I think Eisen's illogical secret to winning is probably what led to him getting his batshit crazy endurance

[@legendaryseph9406]

Fern really has that “I’m just going to stand here and spam hadokens” energy lol

[@abandonallhope]

Best part is that anything they dream up for how they think the Frieren fight will go, how it actually happens is still way better.

[@jackvalior]

It is easy to miss, but Fern and Lugner fight for the most part was in slow motion. Like even as Fern fired off multiple spells at once, it is still slow motion. We did not see the true casting speed of these two until we zoomed out to Stark vs Linnie where time go back to normal speed of these two and we saw a kaleidoscope of magic hitting one another.

[@syaondri]

it's the role of the tank, if they fell, the whole team has lost that's why he should never fall X"D

[@shinokada824]

I want to point out one thing. In this show (and in original manga), Japanese word "Jin-rui", which is often translated into English word "human", "human race" or "mankind", does include human (homo-sapience), elf, and dwarf (and maybe more). People in Frieren's world do not use "demi-human" or similar words. Japanese word "nin-gen" which could also be translated into English word "human", is used for mentioning human (only). It seems that the translator of this show did not aware of that difference.

[@theblekedet6467]

I wonder how would you translate the concept in english succinctly.

[@Silvergrooves42]

@@theblekedet6467Humanoids perhaps? But it feels a bit weird

[@Its_Dave_Just_Dave]

Eisen teaching Stark the "Rocky" approach to fighting

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

One of the things I love about this show is how the characters reflect TTRPG characters so well. Why is the human warrior capable of such feats of strength and durability? Because he is. He trained for it. Any time someone acts surprised when a human character in a Japanese piece of media bench presses a tank or something i'm just like "damn, must just be that strong" because I view all humans in all fictional media on a Dragon Ball Z human power scaling. If a human trains enough they can do just about anything in fictional media, it's that shrimple.

[@WordoftheElderGods]

D&D* Not every TTRPG is D&D.

[@JeTeLBaka]

Okay nerd @@WordoftheElderGods

[@johnyshadow]

@@WordoftheElderGods And DnD isn´t the only fantasy-themed role-playing game...

[@TheCsel]

They definitely made Fern’s fight more flashy for the anime but I’m not complaining.

[@ChrisH43]

Frierens magic = human magic The church was more or less the primary force in humanity struggle against the demons - not so much for spiritual needs (afterlife) at first, I guess. Imo Lügner, at that moment he shouted to Line, just wanted that Fern looked away to Stark.

[@kpetalis]

Frieren's magic is not human magic, it's Elven magic. Because human magic is elven magic that was adapted by Flamme, her master, for human use. That one is a bit of a spoiler so I won't go into it right now unless you want me to. Humans could use Elven magic that they had learned from the Elves in ancient times, but they didn't have a dedicated magic system of their own or magic schools to teach it. Human mages were apprentices to either Elven mages or to humans that had studied magic under the tutelage of an elf. Flamme is credited as the Founder of the Human style of magic. A derivative of Elven magic fit for humans so that they can learn it easier. So when Frieren says humanity's magic, that is nothing more than the term frequently used in these settings to describe something that is used by most humanoid races of the story, in this case Humans, Elves and Dwarves. So in reality what Frieren should have said is that the Elven magic used by all other races could never reach the heights that Demon magic could reach if allowed to be refined for thousands of years.

[@hunbi1875]

​@@kpetalis elves are part of humanity shtupid

[@superluigiac]

Aura's magic was indeed terrifying, since it would work on almost all warriors, and only 2 or 3 mages would have more mana than her.

[@scott644]

Something I learned from of all things, a translator. "Graf" isn't the noble's name - it's his title. It translates from German to "Count." Granat is his actual name. All translated, it means "Count Garnet."

[@shuushirakawa]

Linie knows the moves but does not have the physical strength to copy how powerful each blows should be.

[@meoto0716]

SOS 兄弟大好きです❗️ 2人は洞察力があり、Animeをとても楽しんでるのがわかって親近感が湧きます😊 I like the part Frieren respect to death 9:05 攻撃をフェルン視点で受けた時の反応イイね 13:13 フェルンの戦いは私も興奮した！Her Step🤩 フリーレンはMangaよりもアニメから入って正解ですよ👍 12:15 あの一瞬でshield &kill spell 同時って気づくの凄い❗️ 16:23 肩から斬られるの、BLEACH HITって言うんだ！！

[@grantharriman284]

I love Eisen logic. As long as you pass your death saves you'll be fine.

[@Aine0716]

13:14 フェルンの戦いに" Oh I Love this !! " と興奮気味のジェイコブと同じで、私もこのシーンは見入った。

[@Fraidnaught]

It's strongly implied that the strength, speed and durability of martial characters in Frieren is more than flesh and blood. Linne's copying technique relies on reading the flow of man's in the body after all.

[@Panster7]

Fern just styling on this fool. Love it

[@bobbombar6711]

Aura sealed her fate when she brought up himmel given freiren's reactions

[@M_Northstar]

I think the reason Fern's so quick at firing off her spells may have to do with her demeanor. I think mana is normally just gushing out of you and into the world (we see more of that in the next episode); when you want to cast a spell, you normally have to gather your mana first. But with how low key and buttoned down Fern is, I think her mana is always concentrated at her core. Basically, she's like a gunslinger whose hand is always just casually resting on her gun. When she goes to actually draw, she's already half way there compared to other people.

[@saynay302]

That would apply to Frieren as well though, so I don’t think that is the only explanation.

[@M_Northstar]

@@saynay302 I also considered that, and I agree that means it can't be the WHOLE reason. On the other hand, Frieren is an elf, and naturally more deliberate and slow in her actions. Plus, as we see in the next episode, it's not an inborn inclination for Frieren, the way it seems to have been for Fern even before she was trained. Plus, as we also see in later episodes (ep 15, I think) Frieren can be pretty quick on the draw herself.

[@T2266]

"Frieren the slayer" is actually a rather bad translation, the original title is the same as that of the shows, literary: Frieren of the funeral, which was given a double meaning in this arc, the more fitting translation would be "Undertaker"

[@GeraldWalls]

You say that and the first thing that pops into my head is Handler One/Bloody Regina.

[@MSDoL]

But this would have surely spawned a meme in the English speaking community, with Frieren being Leman Russ instead of the LTG.

[@nommyyt]

This confused me at first too (and I'm sure someone else has clarified since you're ahead on patreon) but whenever they say "humanity's magic" or "humanity's knowledge" especially when said by a demon, what they mean by "humanity" are people/beings that aren't demons. So humans, elves, and dwarves would fall under this "humanity" umbrella they keep referring to. I don't speak Japanese so maybe there's just a translation issue where one word can mean multiple things. I wish the author had come up with a different word for the non-demon races as a whole to avoid this confusion.

[@vinzegcs]

The channel with the best discussions, period.

[@juliechao1074]

I love your reaction and discussion as always! Have you ever consider watching Moriarty the Patriot? I would LOVE to see you unpacking the characters and themes in that series.

[@janleslielvaas3211]

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[@jvcscasio]

I was trying to catch up however some episodes went missing

[@DjBackman]

1080p?

[@javgamer722]

Imo while Stark being able to just tank the hit obviously doesn't really work in a physical level but it works on an emotional level. Linie basically shortcuts her way to being strong by just copying others but she doesn't copy the years and years of work those people put into crafting those moves and techniques. So those imitations will never match the originals that people took the time and effort to hone.

[@Seiibaa]

I mean with anime, he could just flex his muscles to make them rock hard to tank it

[@atomicskull6405]

@@Seiibaa Melees clearly use mana as well not just mages that's how they perform superhuman feats. Remember that Linie said she memorizes the flow of mana within someone to copy them, that wouldn't work if melees didn't use mana. She's basically playing back a tape recorder of what she saw.

[@Seiibaa]

@@atomicskull6405 Yeah that's a common thing in fantasy anime, I just didn't think of it since it wasn't outright mentioned. Still, with anime I've definitely seen where someone uses pure muscle to block attacks, even without mana.

[@lwyhuyfee]

I also like how it fits with Stark's "stronger than he thinks he is" character. He really thought he was down and out, but in reality, he's the one holding himself back.

[@taryth.]

Warriors in universe also just seem to be built different. Like Stark got punched through a wall by Eisen, and walked away fine.

[@jalcome4201]

that slow pacing with the foregone conclusion is gonna be a bigger problem nxt ep lmao. they arent gonna like that

[@ゆきゆき-t8c]

やっときた〜 待ち遠しかった

[@errorunknown5701]

They were so incapable of reading what was actually going on this entire episode it's crazy how out of touch they are.

[@user-tetsutaro]

(ง°̀ﾛ°́)ง💛ｷﾀー!!✨

[@ellesai7611]

Next EP hype

[@PredatoryQQmber]

Too bad most people will not notice raging hypocrisy of Frieren calling demons 'mindless beasts' at the same time as demons portrayed to give philosophical speeches about pride. Sure, demons are single-minded but so is she. The only real difference is probably their lack of empathy. But I wonder how much of it is intended character of Frieren and how much is of author's own confusion and prejudice.

[@MSDoL]

I would not say it is hypocrisy on her part. I can provide some arguments to that but they are spoilers so read at your discretion. Spoiler 1) Macht's ark shows that for all the effort he has put into trying to understand emotion that was most commonly related to him (malice) he failed. Malice is an emotion that is arguably accessible to both beasts and humans and that shows that demons have a problem in that regard. Probably only emotions that demons can feel are pride, fear and passion for something. That I would argue confirms that they don't have emotional intelligence. 2) The demons dissipate into mana particles like monsters, which justifies Flamme's argument about them. It is not ""Demons are monsters.", it is "Let's name monsters that can talk 'demons'." The majority of monsters seem not natural, they may be a "Dark god" curse on this world (not confirmed but probable due to Japanese fantasy tropes). So they are most likely a phenomena not a creature so assigning a "mind" to it seems a lot like fetishism to me. All in all, I would argue that the ability to logically think does not make one classify as having 'intelligence' and 'mind' is a more complex subject, that is why Frieren is factually correct and a part of her grief is that she can't really be mad at demons tough she certainly is and this feels stupid for her. It is like being mad at water because your village was flooded and everybody died.

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

too bad you don't know what hypocrisy means, like most people nowadays throwing it around

[@jerious1607]

It is intentional, Frieren is quite sociopathic as an individual, while demons are sociapathic as a collective. She had real hatred that has turned into apathetic acceptance of the fact that demons are mindless beast, which just gets reinforced everytime she meets a demon. At current point, Humanity is not strong enough that they can afford to show mercy to demons and give them a chance to be 'domesticated.' It's a fight for survival and not just some political and resource rivalry.

[@PredatoryQQmber]

@@miramaxcinemax5512 So are you, apparently. Same goes for manners, honest debate and punctuation of your own language..

[@PredatoryQQmber]

@@jerious1607 Show so far did not say any of that. Only Frieren gaslighting everyone into what is immediately proven to be false. It wouldn't be so bad if she was not framed as being unquestionably right at the same time.

[@brunosilva-ed4pz]

i dont understand why they mute frieren reaction completely like this... it makes it unwatchable ;/

[@12thLevelSithLord]

I'm guessing the Frieren studio is really quick with the "copyright flag" button? Otherwise, yeah, they wouldn't make it mostly mute and nearly transparent.

[@98765zach]

SoS do this on shows whose studios are very likely to copyright strike them and takes stuff down, this isn't the first show they've done this for. Hate to be that guy but if you want the unedited versions, you'll have to go find somewhere to watch the whole show (or pirate it if you don't like any of the platforms)

[@brunosilva-ed4pz]

@@98765zach i dont care about the show, i already read the manga and watched the anime, its just too weird with the big silence throughout the video... Oh well, there are 100 other youtubers that aren't this afraid of their own shadows, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@insomniaccity]

copyright strikes are a bitch, the reactions to episodes 3 and 4 is proof enough

[@petermuller9480]

I'll just make an observation here: Originally this story was about the demon king having been defeated and everything being back to being nice and peaceful. Statues of the hero's party were erected all over the country to celebrate the ones who defeated the demons. But extremely soon the author just decided to retcon this decision, because it would have made it impossible to continue a generic fantasy action story like this. Now suddenly the demons are back (or were they never "gone" in the first place?). So all the statues of the "heros" being erected was just a LIE. This author has destroyed the initial premise of his story faster than you can say "genius writing".

[@WordoftheElderGods]

Defeated the Demon King. His lieutenants were still around.

[@petermuller9480]

The entire premise of the story UNDENIABLY was presented as: "After evil has been defeated and peace returned to the land, yadda, yadda, Frieren is sad, because her friend died." Every facette of the first episode reflected that notion and we never were presented with even a hint, that could lead us to believe the contrary. Frieren herself travelled the country for DECADES after the defeat of the demon king and we were lead to believe, that everything was fine and dandy. NO EXCUSES!@@WordoftheElderGods

[@mrmouse4121]

The demon king was slain, his minions were not. Supposedly, at least.

[@tacitakoe5004]

The Demon King was killed, his Sages either sealed or handicapped, and thus his forces were scattered, no longer having leaders to rally them together. The war ended and a widespead peace was established for mankind, but the story NEVER implied that ALL demons were gone. The author didn't retcon anything, you just misunderstood what it meant for the war to be 'over'. Remember, this is still >80 years< after the fact. An entire generation of humans have been born and grown old without having to worry about if the Demon King's Army was right around the corner, and it's only recently that any of the surviving demons have gathered enough strength to reignite conflict on even the scale of a single city. That is a massive win, no matter how you look at it. Nothing about the heroes' victory is "lie".

[@chronosclaimsall]

I mean, not necessarily. The premise is "Beyond Journey's End", meaning what happened after their journey to defeat the demon king. If it were just 5, 10, or even 15 years after the Demon King's defeat, maybe it could have been more slice of life-y and peaceful. But it's been almost 100 years, which is a pretty reasonable timeframe for demons to start restructuring their forces. Also, the hero's party killed the demon KING, but they didn't eradicate all demons in existence. Nor all monsters for that matter, so there are still monsters in this world that can cause harm and destruction. They killed the Demon King and were celebrated for that achievement, but it doesn't mean they made the world suddenly completely safe -- they just took out the *biggest* threat. If it were that simple/easy to wipe out all the demons then Frieren would have done it on her own by now, considering she's killed enough of them to be renowned as 'the Slayer' among their ranks. Side note: The statues were generally erected in each town after the heroes saved that town in particular, with the biggest one being erected in their home/starting kingdom once they had returned (plus Himmel wanted to have the statues erected so Frieren wouldn't feel completely alone once the rest of the party had died).